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The Catamaran Racing Assoc. of Michigan (CRAMsailing.com) has welcomed the Wetas with open arms and will give us our own start any time we get 4 boats on the line. I will work with then on a color tour event next year. Or we can just have a cold weather Weta color event next fall. The higgins lake event my not have a lot of color yet but the event is run out a campground in an old growth forest similar to your posted pic. And the winds are traditionally strong (20 -30) at the time of year they are there.

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I took the summer off (too hot!) but Buzzelli got me motivated again so I'm going to start making some short trips along the coast here at home.

 

But I'm really looking forward to Tradewinds and sailing the Keys and 10,000 islands.

 

FWIW:

 

Flamingo to Bahia Honda is a little over forty miles. Flamingo is the Everglades national park station at the very tip of the peninsula, sorta the southern terminus of the everglades. They have lots of RV spots, motel, camping, including primitive camping.

 

Goodland, on Marco Island has an improved launch facility. There are any number of spots to land, picnic and camp.

 

Goodland to Flamingo is about 80 miles.

 

I was thinking some sort of Raid type event from Goodland to Flamingo would be fun! With the Charlotte Harbor regatta just behind Tradwinds it might be a good way to fill the time.

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Yes, I will be at Weta Fest.

 

Imo, February to mid-May is best. What I have done several times is take the ferry from Ft. Myers beach round trip to Key West. After May 15 it starts to get hot down there, before mid-april it can be really pricey.

 

Once in Key West you don't need a car and charters are available for every imaginable water activity. I like http://dangercharters.com/ they're really laid back.

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I'm considering a camping trip to Flamingo the first week of November, because that's when I have time to go.


I'll drive down, towing the Weta. I'll be taking the big camping stuff (wall tent, Coleman stove, etc.) because that's what I have. The plan is laid back day sailing in Florida bay and possibly to the Keys if weather is idyllic.


Thoughts, comments, advice?


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Camped at Big Pine Key Fishing Lodge. Sailed out to Looe Key but it was too windy and rough to snorkel so I sailed back in and then East along the the southern shore of Big Pine Key, continuing East to Bahia Honda State Park.


The wind basically blew me out on Tuesday and Wednesday (Monday was a travel day) but I sailed continuously for about eight hours on Thursday! I really enjoyed it! The Keys are a special place.


Really upset with Garmin, they've "improved" their site so nothing works like it used to. Got lots of video but my camera handling is so bad it will require lots of editing.



http://www.bpkfl.com/ Stayed in a tent! I'm well past 2:00 a.m. strolls to the crapper! Key deer are common, almost tame. Lots of birds. We weren't even fifty feet from the water, lots of Lady fish and small tarpon thrashing the bait fish in the shallows then the egrets would attack from the land side. Big iguana in a mangrove right at the corner of the tent. Curt's skiff was in a slip a dozen feet from the tent. Easy launching for the Weta. Not many bugs. Too much wind for the first three days! Gusts to 24 mph.



A few pictures here https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=832355050149022&set=a.306384962746036.94342.100001236032720&type=1&theater


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I suspect a Weta is not the best platform to snorkel from but I'm not quite ready to give up. I'll give it another shot or two. If, after you've seen this video, anyone wants to schedule a trip give me a ping and I'll do a little more research.

 

I think an annual Weta snorkeling trip to Looe key is a splendid idea!

 

 

We were in Key West with another couple in May and had wanted to try Blue Heaven for dinner. We didn't quite make it so Curt and I went back down on Tuesday evening. The idea was to report back to the girls to see if they were still interested. The food was good if a little pricey and I guess you just have to like chickens. I'd go back.

 

This video is a couple of years old but I can't see anything has changed. Key West is it's own kinda place...

 

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Beautiful first post. Was that a white screecher I saw at the 2:50 mark?

 

Thanks!

 

Yes it is,Terry was sailing Weta #4 which had a one off developmental sail.

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Don't want to commercialize this thread too much, but... (everyone's got a but)

 

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We have 1 New 2014 (2015 model) available right now.

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Guest Darryn

We've had a bit of discussion about handicaps for the Weta and it's been hard to pin down a race result but in Catsailor.net forum Paul White has slammed the cats and praised up the Wetas in numerous cat threads. He has again mentioned the 2011 Double Damned race as a good race for the Weta even though it's a mono hull race. He's quoted this as having lots of wind, with a link to the video so you would assume this is about as fast as you can go on a Weta. I see the Weta was second over the line behind the Moore 24. My query is can we use this 9.4kt average speed as an indication that it's only half a knot slower than a Moore 24ft trailer sailer built nearly 30 years ago that averaged 9.9kts, if so what would a fair handicap rating be. I am trying to track down the results for the Peter Loft memorial race Paul mentioned, to see how the Wetas went in that race against some cats that he mentioned passing so we can gauge performance. I look forward to some enlightening discussions regarding issues he has posted in the cat threads about cats v's Wetas in the correct Weta threads and must thank Paul for reigniting my interest in Weta's. Can you post some other results regarding Wetas sailing with cats? Or is the Weta mainly purchased by people that don't want to sail with any other type of boat.

regards Jeff Southall

Double Damned 2011 Double Damned 2011 - 8/6/11 at 1000

Start: Start 1, Finishes: Finish time, Time: 10:00:15, Distance: 41

Rank Boat Name Boat Type SailNo Club Skipper PHRF Elapsed BCE Ave speed 1 Bruzer Moore 24 127 HRYC Morgan Larson 150 4:06:49 0:00:00 9.967 kn 2 Moore Cowbell Moore 24 124 CYC Katherine Meyer 150 4:22:14 0:15:25 9.381 kn 3 Adios Moore 24 56 SCYC Scott Walecka 150 4:22:51 0:16:02 9.359 kn 4 Wet Spot Moore 24 51 StFYC John Verdoia 150 4:25:05 0:18:16 9.28 kn 5 Nuclear Power Moore 24 122 LYRA Matt McQueen 150 4:29:56 0:23:07 9.113 kn 6 Moorigami Moore 24 77 StFYC John Siegel 150 4:31:46 0:24:57 9.052 kn 7 Morjito Moore 24 111 HRYC Doug Archbald 150 4:34:53 0:28:04 8.949 kn 8 More Uff Da Moore 24 26 PMYC Ben Braden 150 4:35:50 0:29:01 8.918 kn 9 Pteron Melges 24 PMYC Dan Kaseler 84 4:00:38 0:38:55 10.223 kn 10 Flying Tiger Moore 24 155 RYC Kurt Lahr 150 4:46:45 0:39:56 8.579 kn 11 Super Friends B25 31 HRYC Tyler Bech 126 4:32:32 0:42:07 9.026 kn 12 Monster Express Express 27 40316 HRYC Ted Lohr 129 4:35:51 0:43:23 8.918 kn 13 Electric Mayhem Moore 24 145 HRYC Brian Petros 150 5:13:38 1:06:49 7.844 kn 14 Strega C&C 25 HRYC Arpaq Family 215 6:13:25 1:22:11 6.588 kn 15 Giant Slayer SC 27 59369 TTPYC David Garman 141 5:29:01 1:28:21 7.477 kn 16 Kitchen Remodel Express 27 18353 HRYC Bill Sumerfield 129 5:26:31 1:34:03 7.534 kn 17 Crazy Lulu Choate 22 HRYC Bart Vervlouet 205 6:24:11 1:39:47 6.403 kn 18 Symbiosis S2 9.1 50491 HRYC Lance Staughton 129 5:45:52 1:53:24 7.113 kn 19 Weta Weta Tri 571 RYC David Berntsen 4:21:17 1:56:58 9.415 kn 20 Jack Wabbit 19 RYC William Erkelens 126 DNF 20 Subatomic Rocket 22 2210 HRYC Chris Lloyd 111 DNF 20 Diversion J 35 69773 HRYC Mark Newbrook 72 DNF 20 Gorgeous Nelson Merrek 44 HRYC Jim Case 72 DNF

Is there any forum on the planet that you haven't posted this info Jeff?

cheers,

Darryn

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No and I have found it much better to carry the discussion into the Weta forums instead of having unseemly discussions in the cat threads, Paul White has made lots of comments about catamarans and I would like to explore them in the Weta forum, I look forward to some lively discussions over the next few years as we hammer out the pros and cons of Wetas in the appropriate threads

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HI guys,

In my experience, I was totally smoked by a single handed H16 on my Weta on a windy day.

I know that people compare the Weta with the H16, however as much as I love the Weta, I do not believe we are even close to a well sailed H16 in most points of sail.

Cheers!

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Nor I! Worse I'm afraid we'll stumble into another shit storm with such comparisons. The weta is a very nice niche boat, as such it fulfills a variety of needs and desires. High performance ain't one of them!

 

I've overnighted on the Weta, something I never did with any of my cats, and plan some longer excursion type events.

 

Imo the weta's strong points are:

  • ease of operation, particularly rigging and recovery
  • stability
  • affordable price
  • good all round performance
  • good load carrying capacity for the single hander
  • very small foot print for storing and traveling.

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HI guys,

In my experience, I was totally smoked by a single handed H16 on my Weta on a windy day.

I know that people compare the Weta with the H16, however as much as I love the Weta, I do not believe we are even close to a well sailed H16 in most points of sail.

Cheers!

Dude, welcome aboard.

 

I will not extend the traditional greeting, which is: "fuck off and show me your wife's tits." But rest assured some one will so be prepared.

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I was rigging my boat to go sailing yesterday (don't you hate the Florida sailors this time of year?!)...and noticed a 2" split in the top of the lower section of my mast, where it sleeves to the top section. No real big deal, but could have become one. I scuffed it up and collared it with a couple of layers of carbon DB, and it's good as new this morning. Just thought I'd mention it, so others could give their masts a look...

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HI guys,

In my experience, I was totally smoked by a single handed H16 on my Weta on a windy day.

I know that people compare the Weta with the H16, however as much as I love the Weta, I do not believe we are even close to a well sailed H16 in most points of sail.

Cheers!

 

You'd be correct for the most part. The following video was shot on Friday in some pretty strong winds/gusts. The H16 was being sailed 2-up and my Weta with just me. I know the guys on the H16 and you can figure their total "payload" at about 400 pounds and mine at 175 pounds.

 

We spent most of the day on beam reaches, often heading towards each other, but often sailing single file behind each other. When single file, I could not catch them and had to work hard and get lucky in the gusts to stay close without losing much ground. When I was in front, they weren't able to catch me in a single 1/2 mile reach, but they did close a bit and if we had had longer runs they would have gotten past me at some point no matter what I did. So even 2-up the H16 is a little faster than a 1-up Weta, at least on a beam reach.

 

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Tom, looks like it was a fantastic day. I would love to join you but San Diego has thinned my blood. Winds in the 30s and air temps in the 40s? What kind of wind chill factor does that give you?

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Tom, try running a longer thinner bunji along the hull, over the ama but under the tramp... if you play with the length a bit, you'll find that you can keep it out of the water without it fouling. Could fasten a batten to extend beyond the rear of the tramp if it falls in.

 

Looks like a great day!

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Nor I! Worse I'm afraid we'll stumble into another shit storm with such comparisons. The weta is a very nice niche boat, as such it fulfills a variety of needs and desires. High performance ain't one of them!

 

I've overnighted on the Weta, something I never did with any of my cats, and plan some longer excursion type events.

 

Imo the weta's strong points are:

  • ease of operation, particularly rigging and recovery
  • stability
  • affordable price
  • good all round performance
  • good load carrying capacity for the single hander
  • very small foot print for storing and traveling.

Opinions on high performance vary Pete :D

 

It really depends on what you are comparing it to amigo...

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Tom, looks like it was a fantastic day. I would love to join you but San Diego has thinned my blood. Winds in the 30s and air temps in the 40s? What kind of wind chill factor does that give you?

They had us pegged somewhere in the low 30's for average wind chill. We actually stood around in the parking lot for 20 minutes deciding whether to actually go out or not. I always dress for possible submersion, just in case you know. I have a Zhik Superwarm Skiff Suit that is worth every penny. I was pummeled by spray and splash for 3 hours but never had any discomfort other than my numb feet and hands. The other guys dressed to stay dry and did, but not so much protection for submersion. You can't play around with cold water. I joke around a lot but I respect what very cold water can do to you in mere minutes.

 

I was born in San Diego but left before I was old enough to sail there, or even remember it.

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Tom, try running a longer thinner bunji along the hull, over the ama but under the tramp... if you play with the length a bit, you'll find that you can keep it out of the water without it fouling. Could fasten a batten to extend beyond the rear of the tramp if it falls in.

 

Looks like a great day!

Not sure what you're talking about. Bunji? What purpose is this for? Sorry if I've misunderstood something.

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Like the idea Pete - Fl. Keys, Outer Banks, NC., Puget Sound; Maine Island Trail, TX Coast similar to TX 200 or 300, Lake Michigan, Connected Lakes in MN, Lake Powell AZ, Lake Tahoe CA, SF Bay, Chesapeake Bay......others?

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Pillar Point/Half Moon Bay--Santa Cruz--Monterrey would be epic, though I think each leg would be a bit too long for a Weta.

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How long is too long?

 

In Florida, from Boca Grande (Punta Gorda/Port Charlotte) to Flamingo ranger station at the very tip of the peninsula there are unlimited beaches and coves to pull into for the night. Of course the mosquitoes would carry you away at most times of the year so winter would be the best time for a Florida Raid.

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How long is too long?

 

In Florida, from Boca Grande (Punta Gorda/Port Charlotte) to Flamingo ranger station at the very tip of the peninsula there are unlimited beaches and coves to pull into for the night. Of course the mosquitoes would carry you away at most times of the year so winter would be the best time for a Florida Raid.

 

FL Alligators?!?!

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How long is too long?

 

In Florida, from Boca Grande (Punta Gorda/Port Charlotte) to Flamingo ranger station at the very tip of the peninsula there are unlimited beaches and coves to pull into for the night. Of course the mosquitoes would carry you away at most times of the year so winter would be the best time for a Florida Raid.

 

FL Alligators?!?!

and pythons oh my!

 

For those actually interested, I have over nighted on my Weta. I waited for perfect weather, particularly wind, launched midday, at about 2:00 a.m. I got sleepy, ran up on the beach and just curled up on the tramp. Slept 'til sunrise and continued on my way. A small box holds a stove, sleep pad, tarp, lantern, flashlight, bug net and sundry items. I didn't use any of it, just pulled a beach towel over my head to keep my ears warm and slept in my foulies. If you're tired, you'll sleep.

 

This was during the full moon phase which coincides with extreme tides so I awakened on Sanibel beach with lots of locals already about with flashlights and cameras searching the flats for sea critters.

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Pillar Point/Half Moon Bay--Santa Cruz--Monterrey would be epic, though I think each leg would be a bit too long for a Weta.

 

Depends on if the wind is up. remember that we've lost small boat sailors off of Santa Cruz, a chase boat might be necessary.

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Monterrey. If I drag my Weta out to Ca. Monterrey Bay, the aquarium and as much of that peninsula as possible.

Who wants to lead a California Weta safari, how much will it cost, and who do I send a check to? When?

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The NOR for the WMG Regatta is now available here and registration has opened.

 

There are 35 Wetas available for charter and we're also looking at shipping in a container load from Australia for about AU$2-300 per boat, as well as offering an option to order a new boat for delivery at the WMG regatta and have it shipped home afterwards.

 

If you're based in Australia and you go for a test sail in a Weta in 2016, you can win free entry to the WMG Regatta - details here.

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That's pretty dang cool. Five different age groups as well as men's, women's and mixed groupings.

 

And this should keep it interesting

 

It is intended that Wetas will sail two days of destination races and three days of windward leeward races.

 

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Hi all

So I have mothballed my laser, and bought a weta, sailed last week for the first time and can't get over this putting the tiller extension out the back of the boat when tacking. Has anyone tried the laser method , bridle over the top of extension and forward of blocks? What could go wrong?

 

Thanks

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Rodlaser, Glad to hear you switched to the WETA. You won't regret the change. Your idea has a few problems, mostly related to the length of the tiller itself. Unless you get a longer tiller, you would have to move the bridle/mainsheet aft on the edges of the cockpit. Moving these aft changes the angle of the mainsheet relative to the leech which causes big problems with sail shape since there is no boom. A longer tiller could work ( maybe ) but is not allowed under the current O.D. rules. Watch the technique vides on the WETA Marine site for tacking and gybing - they may help. You will get used to flipping the tiller extension around the transom. It is pretty light. You just have to spend a little time looking backwards which seems awkward. Enjoy!

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Damn, I just put a deposit down on a Weta and you are telling me I'm going to have to learn stuff? I sailed a Laser 30 years ago and have been sailing big trimarans since and you are telling me I'm going to have to learn stuff? I figured I could just show up and dominate and you are telling me I'm going to have to learn stuff?

 

I can't wait. Im hoping to show up in NC this fall so I can learn stuff.

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Sounds like you already " know stuff ". Congrats on the WETA. You will love it!

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Lots of variations tried on the Weta Yahoo group some years back. Maybe try twin extensions.

 

Fun boats. What hull number?

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Tacking Methods - more tips and tricks on the Weta Wiki here

 

There are three methods of tacking in use by Weta sailors:
1. Dave from Weta West

Thrown the mainsheet onto the opposite tramp. Push the tiller over and lay it on the tramp, uncleat the jib as you tack and grab the sheet on the new side. Pull on the jib and reach back for the tiller at the same time.
Pro: Works in all winds. Facing forward.
Con: You have to let go of the tiller during the tack and reach back for it after. Can lead to overtacking if you push the tiller too far.

 

2. Miranda from Weta

Tack the boat first and cleat the jib on the new side then flip the tiller around the main and swap the tiller behind your back as you cross.
Pro: Forward facing. Tiller and mainsheet always in your hand.
Con: Probably better in light winds as you’re sitting on the wrong side after the tack with the jib and main cleated.

 

3. The Waldon Flip – developed by Geoff Waldon

Flip the tiller extension around the mainsheet so you’re sailing with it on the wrong side before you tack. Then tack and release the jib and cleat on the new side. Swap the tiller hand behind your back.
Pro: Forward facing. Tiller always in your hand.
Con: Can be tricky in strong winds as you have to flip the tiller around while in the middle of the boat. Requires a flexible tiller extension to execute in stronger winds.

 

Under the International Weta Class Rules (and the less restrictive U.S. and French rules), the tiller extension isn't restricted - I found it difficult to reach the tiller extension when hiking out from the Amas (floats) so I've lengthened mine by about 8" by inserting a section of slightly smaller carbon tube inside the extension tube and taping it in place, then replacing the rubber grip over it.

 

There are a number of people using twin tiller extensions but the issue is trying to keep the one not in use from dragging in the water. Some have resolved with a short tether looped around the extension and attached to the back of the tramp frame - but this can prevent you from sitting forward which you need to do in light winds.

 

Hi all
So I have mothballed my laser, and bought a weta, sailed last week for the first time and can't get over this putting the tiller extension out the back of the boat when tacking. Has anyone tried the laser method , bridle over the top of extension and forward of blocks? What could go wrong?

Thanks

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Hi all

So I have mothballed my laser, and bought a weta, sailed last week for the first time and can't get over this putting the tiller extension out the back of the boat when tacking. Has anyone tried the laser method , bridle over the top of extension and forward of blocks? What could go wrong?

 

Thanks

 

I don't know about a bridle, but several boats have twin mainsheets over the tiller to allow the tiller to be under the mainsheet.

 

But, you can get use to swinging the extension around the back. Hobie 16 sailors have been doing it for decades. I had been tacking that way since the 70s, first on a H16, then on a Tremolino, so it came naturally to me on the Weta.

 

I used the Miranda method except that I would pirouette facing astern. It worked great for me, even in strong winds.

 

So my point is, although I learned to tack facing backwards as a teen, I'm pretty sure an old dog can learn new tricks.

 

BTW: One of the most successful Weta racers is a former Laser racer.

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Tacking Methods - more tips and tricks on the Weta Wiki here

 

There are three methods of tacking in use by Weta sailors:

1. Dave from Weta West

Thrown the mainsheet onto the opposite tramp. Push the tiller over and lay it on the tramp, uncleat the jib as you tack and grab the sheet on the new side. Pull on the jib and reach back for the tiller at the same time.

Pro: Works in all winds. Facing forward.

Con: You have to let go of the tiller during the tack and reach back for it after. Can lead to overtacking if you push the tiller too far.

 

2. Miranda from Weta

Tack the boat first and cleat the jib on the new side then flip the tiller around the main and swap the tiller behind your back as you cross.

Pro: Forward facing. Tiller and mainsheet always in your hand.

Con: Probably better in light winds as you’re sitting on the wrong side after the tack with the jib and main cleated.

 

3. The Waldon Flip – developed by Geoff Waldon

Flip the tiller extension around the mainsheet so you’re sailing with it on the wrong side before you tack. Then tack and release the jib and cleat on the new side. Swap the tiller hand behind your back.

Pro: Forward facing. Tiller always in your hand.

Con: Can be tricky in strong winds as you have to flip the tiller around while in the middle of the boat. Requires a flexible tiller extension to execute in stronger winds.

 

Under the International Weta Class Rules (and the less restrictive U.S. and French rules), the tiller extension isn't restricted - I found it difficult to reach the tiller extension when hiking out from the Amas (floats) so I've lengthened mine by about 8" by inserting a section of slightly smaller carbon tube inside the extension tube and taping it in place, then replacing the rubber grip over it.

 

There are a number of people using twin tiller extensions but the issue is trying to keep the one not in use from dragging in the water. Some have resolved with a short tether looped around the extension and attached to the back of the tramp frame - but this can prevent you from sitting forward which you need to do in light winds.

 

Hi all

So I have mothballed my laser, and bought a weta, sailed last week for the first time and can't get over this putting the tiller extension out the back of the boat when tacking. Has anyone tried the laser method , bridle over the top of extension and forward of blocks? What could go wrong?

 

Thanks

 

 

I may have been the first person to fabricate a twin tiller system for the Weta (had never seen one until mine came along) and used a clip system to hold the lazy tiller out of the water. It is a simple matter of unclipping it, one handed, to take it far forward on the boat (in the rare instances when I do that). Otherwise, it's always in the same place and you never have to look for it when coming about - you just drop one and reach down and pick up the other one as you move across. I like it and won't go back to a single tiller. But that's just me...

 

Another gentleman fabricated a sort of upright open collar from whence you can simply lift the tiller out and move forward with it. The only disadvantage I see to that design is that you have to be careful to put the tiller in the collar, each time you move to the other side of the boat. But as I haven't personally tried that design, I'll defer to the person who made it and has used it on the water. I think he's from Texas and has some Youtube videos showing his system.

 

I do find it interesting that many performance skiffs and the new Corsair Pulse, all come from their respective factories with twin tiller systems.

 

And like anything else, learning to tack or jibe with the single supplied tiller is really just a matter of getting the old mind to muscle memory working. Within a couple or three trips I'd guess you'll be taking and jibing easily without really giving things much thought.

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Ok Weta sailors. I've never touched one but am considering carrying one

aft off our davits on a 42' cat. The challenge would be assembling it in the

water - not on the dolly on the beach.

Question 1: is the main hull able to float stably by itself long enough to insert one set of beams?

(presumably once that is done the other side would be easier)

Question 2: is it relatively easy to get the mast up while standing on the floating,

assembled boat?

 

Looking forward to your comments...

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I'm sure it could be done, but trying to line up the akas with the aka openings on the main hull, from the water, isn't going to be a piece of cake... Likewise, putting the mast up while balancing on a hull that is moving and rocking on the water isn't going to be a piece of cake either. Again, I would imagine it's certainly possible, but not remotely as easy as assembling the Weta on the hard. I'd be looking at a different boat for this.

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A weta is only 11' wide when assembled, at a minimum you could leave the outboard ama attached and just have to attach the other one. It would still probably be a pain in the ass but it may be possible. The other option would be to get a longer set of davits and carry it fully assembled. Figure you would need the about 1.5' longer than a normal rib.

 

Assuming it's relatively calm I am willing to bet that fitting the mast wouldn't be that difficult. It may take some practice, but if you did it right under the davits you could use them to support the mast as you put it into place.

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A weta is only 11' wide when assembled, at a minimum you could leave the outboard ama attached and just have to attach the other one. It would still probably be a pain in the ass but it may be possible. The other option would be to get a longer set of davits and carry it fully assembled. Figure you would need the about 1.5' longer than a normal rib.

 

Assuming it's relatively calm I am willing to bet that fitting the mast wouldn't be that difficult. It may take some practice, but if you did it right under the davits you could use them to support the mast as you put it into place.

 

Thanks guys. == not a Weta on our davits.

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Paralympic sailor Chris Sharp testing the Weta

 

 

The Paralympic boat selection is coming up very soon - I'd encourage any Weta owners to offer to take out Paralympic sailors as the selectors need feedback from actual sailors.

 

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To be able to lap the Weta, the Waspz has to be upright and up on the foils and the ones I've seen don't seem to be able to do either for more than a few seconds.

In one race series (3 races) of 10-15 knots, we lapped the Waspz every time.

 

:D that was a good one! it can only be epic in less than 5 kt wind....

otherwise, epic in how many times the waszp laps the weta!

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To be able to lap the Weta, the Waspz has to be upright and up on the foils and the ones I've seen don't seem to be able to do either for more than a few seconds.

 

In one race series (3 races) of 10-15 knots, we lapped the Waspz every time.

 

:D that was a good one! it can only be epic in less than 5 kt wind....

otherwise, epic in how many times the waszp laps the weta!

Well that's what they say. It's an easier moth but still a moth and its going to take a lot of time to sail well

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Paralympic sailor Chris Sharp testing the Weta

 

 

The Paralympic boat selection is coming up very soon - I'd encourage any Weta owners to offer to take out Paralympic sailors as the selectors need feedback from actual sailors.

 

 

This is probably a better thread to discuss the Weta being chosen as a boat in the lead up to the 2020 games where the IPC will decide if WS and the First World Countries have reached out to the Emerging Nations to get Sailing back in the Para Games. Of course with Sailing under Review in the 2020 Olympics It could all end rather abruptly.

 

The one thing that bothers me is the "Two Person Multihull (Weta) - Mixed". Why The F*&% do they have to require a mixed F/M team when we are already pulling from such a small group of people (disabled who want to sail). The big issue with disabled sailing is, there is so much more to do that costs so much less. People, the disabled, look for other things to do that do not require so much infrastructure and purchases. The Mixed, is just a load of International NANNY Leadership that lead to only 11 Skud in the Paralympics, there should have been 16. There are just not enough women that want to RACE sailboats. I'm sure there are plenty that want to sit on a boat and go for a day sail, but racing is a whole different world. It's just so damn expensive you have to have the Government and local groups do funding. I hope WS, USS and the other First World Countries address this issue along with the classification system.

 

Having said that, I am going to visit the Weta dealer at Ventura Harbor and see what they are up to or if they are interested in cutting a real deal. Sailing and Racing in the Pacific that we face, here in the Santa Barbara Channel, is far different than the Bays and Lakes I've seen in the videos. I'll have to look at my old dry suit and see if the seals are still good.

 

Any So Cal Weta sailors want to take me for a ride, email me dave@webbdawg.com

I'll be trying to make a visit to Newport Beach, over Christmas Break, to go sailing with Calif Inclusive Sailing on the RS Venture.

https://www.facebook.com/California-Inclusive-Sailing-485622581620704/timeline/

maybe spend the night too.

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As much as I like the Weta, I didn't feel it was a good boat choice for this. The WR17 would be better on many counts.

 

All I know is the choice has been made.

Probably based on price and availability of fleets around the world. And is the boat controllable by a disabled person?

Not sure if we have a WR17 in the area.

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As much as I like the Weta, I didn't feel it was a good boat choice for this. The WR17 would be better on many counts.

All I know is the choice has been made.

Probably based on price and availability of fleets around the world. And is the boat controllable by a disabled person?

Not sure if we have a WR17 in the area.

Are they putting a swinging seat on it?

 

You can reach all controls from one spot. They might move a couple things around to make it easier.

 

They CAN capsize. I've pitchpoled one near the GG bridge. Sort of on purpose, but I assume a disabled sailer wouldn't be able to scramble back in big air, so SB channel might be an issue.

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The Windrider 17 has all the controls come to one spot - at the center mounted cockpit seat. Although they come standard with foot steering, a tiller can be rigged. They are much more forgiving than the Weta, fast, and can handle some pretty bad conditions without going over (all boats can be capsized or pitchpoled at some point, of course). The main thing is that they don't require much if any body movement in the boat. A Weta rigged with a center cockpit seat is going to be prone to capsize unless they don't sail them very hard or supply them with the shorter 6.5 mainsail.

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Having said that, I am going to visit the Weta dealer at Ventura Harbor and see what they are up to or if they are interested in cutting a real deal.

 

Sorry Dave, Weta dealer at Ventura Harbor is long gone. I sold mine in 2014. No Wetas in Ventura anymore.

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The Windrider 17 has all the controls come to one spot - at the center mounted cockpit seat. Although they come standard with foot steering, a tiller can be rigged. They are much more forgiving than the Weta, fast, and can handle some pretty bad conditions without going over (all boats can be capsized or pitchpoled at some point, of course). The main thing is that they don't require much if any body movement in the boat. A Weta rigged with a center cockpit seat is going to be prone to capsize unless they don't sail them very hard or supply them with the shorter 6.5 mainsail.

The 17 ideas make more sense. The weta was designed for hiking. Those amas are small

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The Windrider 17 has all the controls come to one spot - at the center mounted cockpit seat. Although they come standard with foot steering, a tiller can be rigged. They are much more forgiving than the Weta, fast, and can handle some pretty bad conditions without going over (all boats can be capsized or pitchpoled at some point, of course). The main thing is that they don't require much if any body movement in the boat. A Weta rigged with a center cockpit seat is going to be prone to capsize unless they don't sail them very hard or supply them with the shorter 6.5 mainsail.

The 17 ideas make more sense. The weta was designed for hiking. Those amas are small

 

 

Who says the WS Equipment evaluations use Sense?

 

Everything was pretty much done in secret in Italy.

But the weta has got to be a better choice than the Sonar (slownar), overpriced SCUD and 2.4mR.

I just hope the Classification system gets fixed and they stop requiring a mixed team. There are not enough disabled women in the US that know how to sail or want to sail.

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The Windrider 17 has all the controls come to one spot - at the center mounted cockpit seat. Although they come standard with foot steering, a tiller can be rigged. They are much more forgiving than the Weta, fast, and can handle some pretty bad conditions without going over (all boats can be capsized or pitchpoled at some point, of course). The main thing is that they don't require much if any body movement in the boat. A Weta rigged with a center cockpit seat is going to be prone to capsize unless they don't sail them very hard or supply them with the shorter 6.5 mainsail.

The 17 ideas make more sense. The weta was designed for hiking. Those amas are small

 

 

Who says the WS Equipment evaluations use Sense?

 

Everything was pretty much done in secret in Italy.

But the weta has got to be a better choice than the Sonar (slownar), overpriced SCUD and 2.4mR.

I just hope the Classification system gets fixed and they stop requiring a mixed team. There are not enough disabled women in the US that know how to sail or want to sail.

 

 

Any updates on the Weta? I would like to try one but as a low quad, prefer a non hiking boat since I can't move outboard very quickly. The WR17 looks like a pretty good solution but I would prefer something more optimized for racing. I raced Hobie 16 Trapseat class for many years but Like the idea of a solo boat. I have never seen a SCUD in real life but would like to try one as well. I'm in the Seattle area

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If you don't hike on the Weta you will be reduced to getting less out of it than you might otherwise. It might also require you to use the "storm" mainsail in stronger winds to keep from capsizing. I believe the Weta's that are going to be used in the paralympics have been configured with the shorter, smaller mainsail. But I may be wrong. There is some information on it on the Weta Facebook page.

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The Windrider 17 has all the controls come to one spot - at the center mounted cockpit seat. Although they come standard with foot steering, a tiller can be rigged. They are much more forgiving than the Weta, fast, and can handle some pretty bad conditions without going over (all boats can be capsized or pitchpoled at some point, of course). The main thing is that they don't require much if any body movement in the boat. A Weta rigged with a center cockpit seat is going to be prone to capsize unless they don't sail them very hard or supply them with the shorter 6.5 mainsail.

I think one of the reasons the WIndrider wasn't chosen is that, without a dagger/centreboard, it doesn't go to windward very well and they want to introduce "stadium-style" racing for the Paralympics with short, constrained courses and close racing.

 

But the main reason sailing was dropped from the Paralympics is that it didn't have enough international participation and The Weta has much wider world participation/distribution than Windrider. However, currently every country ships all of their race and support boats to every international Para event (which of course only rich countries can afford to do). It would be far cheaper and easier to bring in additional participants, if the organisers provided the boats and had them shipped to the next event in a container so that all competitors had to do was turn up and race (perhaps bringing their custom seat).

 

They have been using the centre seat in the UK for 5 years without capsizing being an issue - although admittedly not racing - and with an able bodied crew to provide ballast. The Australian Paralympic assessor who sailed my Weta suggested a combined ability rating of 10 for two handed sailing so that there is a more able person to provide ballast. Although the stated requirement that it will be a mixed male/female crew is a problem to find disabled female sailors who want to sail a wet dinghy.

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I'm having trouble with the statement that Wetas are not forgiving. As a long time multihull sailor, I've given my Weta every chance to flip through inattention, and have not had success. In fact, every time I sail in heavy air, I come in and find myself remarking to my wife how forgiving the boat is. (Maybe that says something about the boats I used to sail!)

 

As for the need to hike - NO, you don't. At age 70, I hike only about 10% of the time I should. The rest of the time I perch my ass on the weather rail, feather a bit, and have a ball. I've never even bothered to add or move the too-far-inboard hiking straps. Yes, a fully hiked racer is going to kick my ass upwind in a breeze, but sailing at 85-90% of potential is still a hell of a lot of fun, and far less fatiguing. I typically single hand the boat in up to about 18-20 knots of wind, with just my hyperactive 70 pound dog running around, barking at the powerboats.

 

At my age, my leg strength is a fraction of what it used to be, so I'm more dragging my butt from side to side than leaping as I've seen in the Weta videos. Given how relatively easy I get across, I'd be really interested to learn how much more difficult it would be with a true handicap, rather than just old age. I think that they'd be fine...

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And to prove the point that Wetas are forgiving and can be sailed by Para sailors in most conditions, here's Neil Patterson (Level 4) doing exactly that:

 

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Most sail boats can be relatively "forgiving" if you keep the thing de-powered. Not trying to be argumentative, but give me 12 to 14 knots of wind and I can flip a Weta in any direction other than backwards, while the WindRider would be almost impossible to flip in those same conditions.

 

Rather than saying the Weta is unforgiving (which is a relative term), maybe it would be better to say that the WindRider is more forgiving than the Weta.

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And to prove the point that Wetas are forgiving and can be sailed by Para sailors in most conditions, here's Neil Patterson (Level 4) doing exactly that:

 

 

I dig the anti-slip pool noodle set-up on the tramps. Great idea. And for those of us capable of hiking out w/ our posterior on the ama, those are great handles for pulling one's body back onto the tramp. Ain't innovating and sharing great?

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The Weta is forgetting. It is almost impossible to capsize going upwind.

Downwind, with everything locked in with 25 plus knots of wind, then yes, you can go over.

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