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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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10 hours ago, MR PLOW 270 said:

hmm, or maybe your representing another country its because your country doesn't have a team. not because of the zero's

lets be real here, if there was a half decent nationality rule, Australia would whip the kiwi and american's ass and proceed to hold the cup for years on end

so get the fuck of your kiwi high horse, thinking kiwi's are the best at sailing, and have a look around to all the talent of the Aussies in both Artemis and Oracle(and design teams as well)

and don't say that oracle is shit, please. we all know how that turned out last time you said that

Haha looks like you're the one who needs to get real. In REALITY, the Aussies don't care about the Americas Cup anymore. Its all about Offshore sailing and 18 foot Skiffs for the Aussies, thats why they haven't put a serious team in the Cup since the debacle in 95 when they sunk one of their boats. Kiwi's care about the Cup, no matter how much we try not to care, the fact is we always do. If you look around the fleet, you'll probably find there is more Kiwi's around the fleet than Aussies. 

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19 minutes ago, Matt17 said:

Wow - that's a big arse! Beautiful looking boat - who does that belong to?

Matteo di Nora.

A beautiful boat, most impressive IRL.
There are (have been ?) 2 of them, one in the Med, on in NZ (in different sizes?).

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1 hour ago, nav said:

 

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Thanks Nav - a great post. Where did you find that?

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^  the video @ facebook

 

along with this...

the photo @twitter

and this @ instagram

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27 minutes ago, ~Stingray~ said:

Really enjoyed that

+1

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4 minutes ago, nav said:

^  the video @ facebook

 

along with this...

the photo @twitter

and this @ instagram

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Awesome. 

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9 hours ago, kiwi_bob said:

One comment from JS that is believable:  the new post AC "framework" that every other team has signed and NZ hasn't - it's quite possible there are some bodies hanging around ETNZ (and sponsors) that think signing it isn't a bad idea, and they like large parts of the proposal. 
Some certainty of regular events etc the current regime where it changes hands and 4 or 5 years go by while the new defender fucks about is a little tedious. Nobody who is seriously invested in these current boats (Like the sailors and engineers) want too bigger change and a 4 or 5 year gap. 

Even if NZ does win I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the end competition doesn't look too different to what they are proposing - I suspect Dalton just wants to fire everyone involved in the current organisation (ACEA, ACRM) and do it his way, which is kind of fair enough with the crap that's gone down. If they don't win they will have to suck it up. They certainly won't go back to monos and org structure and setup from 2000. 

TNZ not signing was absolutely brilliant negotiating.  It was the equivalent of holding out owning the last house on a block that a developer wants to build an apartment building on.

By doing this, they have all the benefits of the agreement, and total latitude to change it as they wish.  The reason is that all those that signed it have no incentive to not let them 'in' if they change their minds.  In fact, they would have a strong incentive to make whatever adjustments they wanted in order to get in.  This way the signors investments would be protected, and TNZ would get the adjustments they wanted.

Whatever, TNZ grabbed sac.  Jimmy is bitching now because he's worried his balls might soon start to hurt.

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JS would not have said anything except that he was asked directly about the 'Lone Wolf' thing by the NY Times guy Clarey. He answered that question about as naturally as you'd expect the Pitbull to.

With a cleverly sharp jab back at it. :)

The guy teases everybody, even when he had to take a dive recently he took an interview that started out sheepish but then he quickly turned to blaming it all on his friend Slingers, for his bad steering! Lol

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20 minutes ago, Whatever2 said:

No mention of a certain RC when taking about sailors who have inspired him : mentioned Sir Peter Blake, Bruce Kendall, Mike Sanderson... #nolovelost

He also highlighted the mindset of one aspect of ETNZ that I believe sets us apart : immense pride and the desire to "do it for NZ" - even though we're not funded by the government, there's still immense motivation to do it for NZ. His words , when talking about his highlights : "winning gold for NZ" - not just "winning gold". 

Anyone notice how often these guys say "you know" as a filler in interviews? The great McCaw did it on an epic scale - maybe that's where it's come from? Anyway, if they achieve what that mighty man did, they'll do us wickedly proud. 

 

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2 minutes ago, ~Stingray~ said:

JS would not have said anything except that he was asked directly about the 'Lone Wolf' thing by The NY Times guy Clarey. He answered that question about as naturally as you'd expect the Pitbull to.

With a cleverly sharp jab back at it.

So Stinger how do you rationalise JS's 40 years ago comment about cyclors?

Apart from the fact that all teams must apparently be slow learners - ETNZ being a bit faster than the rest and OTUSA just maybe catching on finally. ;)

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5 minutes ago, Matt17 said:

No mention of a certain RC when taking about sailors who have inspired him : mentioned Sir Peter Blake, Bruce Kendall, Mike Sanderson... #nolovelost

He also highlighted the mindset of one aspect of ETNZ that I believe sets us apart : immense pride and the desire to "do it for NZ" - even though we're not funded by the government, there's still immense motivation to do it for NZ. His words , when talking about his highlights : "winning gold for NZ" - not just "winning gold". 

Anyone notice how often these guys say "you know" as a filler in interviews? The great McCaw did it on an epic scale - maybe that's where it's come from? Anyway, if they achieve what that mighty man did, they'll do us wickedly proud. 

 

Yeah. It's the new "like".

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4 minutes ago, Sailbydate said:

So Stinger how do you rationalise JS's 40 years ago comment about cyclors?

Apart from the fact that all teams must apparently be slow learners - ETNZ being a bit faster than the rest and OTUSA just maybe catching on finally. ;)

Yes, it was an underhanded shot, a low blow, refusing to credit ETNZ's cyclors with some new-found 'brilliance.' Verbal sparring is all it is - but not disrespect, that I can tell.

 

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5 minutes ago, ~Stingray~ said:

Yes, it was an underhanded shot, a low blow, refusing to credit ETNZ's cyclors with some new-found 'brilliance.' Verbal sparring is all it is - but not disrespect, that I can tell.

 

I think it is dis-respect.  That's what an underhanded shot, or a low blow is IMO.

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2 hours ago, ~Stingray~ said:

Really enjoyed that

Me too, but Martin Tasker looks really different without his 'stache!

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39 minutes ago, ~Stingray~ said:

Yes, it was an underhanded shot, a low blow, refusing to credit ETNZ's cyclors with some new-found 'brilliance.' Verbal sparring is all it is - but not disrespect, that I can tell.

 

I disagree. It was a politely worded jab at NZ, phrased appropriately for a press conference. 

I'll translate it to SA forum language. 

"Hey fuckwit, the bike thing was done 40 years ago on a 12 meter. Forum hacks bring it up every damned year on SA. You really think we didn't look into that option?"

I think his version was more polite. 

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13 minutes ago, Monkey said:

I disagree. It was a politely worded jab at NZ, phrased appropriately for a press conference. 

I'll translate it to SA forum language. 

"Hey fuckwit, the bike thing was done 40 years ago on a 12 meter. Forum hacks bring it up every damned year on SA. You really think we didn't look into that option?"

I think his version was more polite. 

and "hey fuckwit, we didn't think it was relevant in this day and age so never thought it would be, but opps, we may put one on seeing that ETNZ has shown how relevant it could be"

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2 minutes ago, raging rash said:

and "hey fuckwit, we didn't think it was relevant in this day and age so never thought it would be, but opps, we may put one on seeing that ETNZ has shown how relevant it could be"

Just to be clear, I have said from day one the ETNZ may be on to something, because the hydraulics are a game changer. 

And Im still convinced the extra set of pedals on Oracle were an act to distract dopey Kiwis. 

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fair enough, but what does it matter if dopey Kiwis get distracted. One would think that the sailors just see it as a typical JS/ Oracle blow arse action.

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hey this new media coverage with Vodafone, Toyota, Lester and Tasker is bloody good stuff.

and gez isn't Lester fizzing to get racing underway

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3 minutes ago, raging rash said:

fair enough, but what does it matter if dopey Kiwis get distracted. One would think that the sailors just see it as a typical JS/ Oracle blow arse action.

It doesn't. We've honestly quit worrying about Kiwi fan opinions. You guys have lost the plot. Anything we say that isn't "Oh my god, NZ is the greatest" gets attacked as if it was the worst thing ever said. You guys have gone off the deep end. 

Other than Jaysper and astoundingly, Indio once in awhile, it doesn't seem like any of you are capable of a rational discussion anymore. That's why I like Jimmy winding you up! :D

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1 hour ago, ~Stingray~ said:

Yes, it was an underhanded shot, a low blow, refusing to credit ETNZ's cyclors with some new-found 'brilliance.' Verbal sparring is all it is - but not disrespect, that I can tell.

 

Just Spithill doing some old fashioned sledging. It seems to be a pasttime for some Ozzie sportsmen.

Plus Jimmy is a King Dick and a Tool.

http://www.kingdicktools.co.uk

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2 minutes ago, Monkey said:

.. That's why I like Jimmy winding you up! :D

The wind up is fair game in any sport. Psychological games are part of competing and if it gets either the opposition or their fans pissed then it is working. Doesn't look like Burling is overly concerned and is possibly not the type to send any shit back. 

No problem with Jimmy's comments, someone needed to take over from Dennis and liven things up a bit.

 

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I'm not a Kiwi, but as a spectator with no team as such in the event I see ETNZ as a team with the best that represents what I see as the right reasons for competing/ delivering on them, followed closely by Artemis. The rest seem to be majorly influenced by the defender which I find repugnent.Yes there are great points in this 35th, but there are also aspects that are to me that I don't like as a fan of for years (AC) has hurt the series.

 

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2 minutes ago, Gissie said:

 

I don't think Burling's even slightly rattled. That dude is a rock. But I love that we're finally back to proper shit talking in the press conferences!  

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15 minutes ago, Monkey said:

It doesn't. We've honestly quit worrying about Kiwi fan opinions. You guys have lost the plot. Anything we say that isn't "Oh my god, NZ is the greatest" gets attacked as if it was the worst thing ever said. You guys have gone off the deep end. 

Other than Jaysper and astoundingly, Indio once in awhile, it doesn't seem like any of you are capable of a rational discussion anymore. That's why I like Jimmy winding you up! :D

'USA, USA, USA'.

AC with the Seppos cheering on the Aussies, funny that.

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5 minutes ago, FinnFish said:

'USA, USA, USA'.

AC with the Seppos cheering on the Aussies, funny that.

You clearly don't read much. Not surprised. 

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1 minute ago, Monkey said:

You clearly don't read much. Not surprised. 

Another Trump voter, good luck with that.

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2 hours ago, ~Stingray~ said:

JS would not have said anything except that he was asked directly about the 'Lone Wolf' thing by the NY Times guy Clarey. He answered that question about as naturally as you'd expect the Pitbull to.

With a cleverly sharp jab back at it. :)

The guy teases everybody, even when he had to take a dive recently he took an interview that started out sheepish but then he quickly turned to blaming it all on his friend Slingers, for his bad steering! Lol

Seriously, I don't think anyone on a rival boat cares what JS says. When you are doing 50 On my way! In a pre start manoeuvres do you really think they will have their mind on a JS quote?!

plenty of pressure on all teams, hearing what a rival skipper said in a pressed will probably relieve some pressure than add to it.  

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3 hours ago, sclarke said:

Haha looks like you're the one who needs to get real. In REALITY, the Aussies don't care about the Americas Cup anymore. Its all about Offshore sailing and 18 foot Skiffs for the Aussies, thats why they haven't put a serious team in the Cup since the debacle in 95 when they sunk one of their boats. Kiwi's care about the Cup, no matter how much we try not to care, the fact is we always do. If you look around the fleet, you'll probably find there is more Kiwi's around the fleet than Aussies. 

Time for a per capita table to settle the argument. Us kiwis love these! 

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38 minutes ago, Monkey said:

It doesn't. We've honestly quit worrying about Kiwi fan opinions. You guys have lost the plot. Anything we say that isn't "Oh my god, NZ is the greatest" gets attacked as if it was the worst thing ever said. You guys have gone off the deep end. 

Other than Jaysper and astoundingly, Indio once in awhile, it doesn't seem like any of you are capable of a rational discussion anymore. That's why I like Jimmy winding you up! :D

On the contrary, we love a good rational discussion, unfortunately most OTUSA fans don't know the meaning of the words "rational discussion". It always ends up as "Grumpy Grant, Team NZ don't have a plan, why won't Team NZ fall in behind and agree with the other teams, the Americas Cup is no longer sustainable without the framework blah, blah, blah, those aren't rational discussions. 

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The discussion about who is copying who is BS.  Nobody who knows the AC doesn't know that the Swedes tried it.

The conceptual breakthrough here was both how to get the cyclors to fit into the rule limited size cockpits, and how to manage the controls  with the crew in a completely different setup.  And how to move them around and get them in place in the right order.

TNZ made the compromises and got the breakthrough.  Clearly, their 'trick' is plainly visible to someone who wrestled with the tradeoffs... like oracle.  To not see that they might copy the 'Solution' that TNZ found is simply naive.   And to say that the inspiration was the swedes is Trumpian alternative facts.   Related, but irrelevant.

Good on TNZ for coming up with a solution.  Oracle would be stupid to not copy it if they have the time.  Mechanically they might have time, but leg conditioning wise, unless they started a long time ago, I think they are toast.

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14 minutes ago, Finnfart said:

The discussion about who is copying who is BS.  Nobody who knows the AC doesn't know that the Swedes tried it.

The conceptual breakthrough here was both how to get the cyclors to fit into the rule limited size cockpits, and how to manage the controls  with the crew in a completely different setup.  And how to move them around and get them in place in the right order.

TNZ made the compromises and got the breakthrough.  Clearly, their 'trick' is plainly visible to someone who wrestled with the tradeoffs... like oracle.  To not see that they might copy the 'Solution' that TNZ found is simply naive.   And to say that the inspiration was the swedes is Trumpian alternative facts.   Related, but irrelevant.

Good on TNZ for coming up with a solution.  Oracle would be stupid to not copy it if they have the time.  Mechanically they might have time, but leg conditioning wise, unless they started a long time ago, I think they are toast.

Are the crew lists fixed or can they just a couple of professional cyclists each side and go for broke? 

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1 hour ago, Booze said:

Time for a per capita table to settle the argument. Us kiwis love these! 

 

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They could get pro cyclists I'm sure.   The question is whether they have duties other than turning pedals.  If they do, and they are control related, then I doubt you teach anyone to make that control professional grade in time.   Even "Sea legs" counts in this.  You don't want one of them running off the trampoline like many of the sailors have... and they are more used to the dynamics.

I'm not sure if this is the case, but I think TNZ has two that do nothing but turn pedals, and two that have controls duties.  But need someone who knows to confirm that.

If that's the case, then the real Hybrid they are talking about could be 2 cyclors and two pedestal grinders?

I doubt it is just having one in the back.

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48 minutes ago, Finnfart said:

Even "Sea legs" counts in this.  You don't want one of them running off the trampoline like many of the sailors have... and they are more used to the dynamics.

I'm not sure if this is the case, but I think TNZ has two that do nothing but turn pedals, and two that have controls duties.  But need someone who knows to confirm that.

Yes that would funny - losing their grinders one by one as they run off the side of the boat around the course - made even funnier when the boat gets a penalty for being underweight.

AFAIK Blair Tuke is a "cyclor" who also trims the foils from controls on his handlebars. Not sure if there is another grinder with sailing duties. As above, someone with more info could comment.

Who knows, maybe the second OTUSA boat has already been fully fitted with state-of-art cycle stations to rolled out when the chips are down. God I hope so. Because I reckon that will be a death knell for their defence.

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1 hour ago, Finnfart said:

They could get pro cyclists I'm sure.   The question is whether they have duties other than turning pedals.  If they do, and they are control related, then I doubt you teach anyone to make that control professional grade in time.   Even "Sea legs" counts in this.  You don't want one of them running off the trampoline like many of the sailors have... and they are more used to the dynamics.

I'm not sure if this is the case, but I think TNZ has two that do nothing but turn pedals, and two that have controls duties.  But need someone who knows to confirm that.

If that's the case, then the real Hybrid they are talking about could be 2 cyclors and two pedestal grinders?

I doubt it is just having one in the back.

Someone speculated that the Oracle bike was just a mindfuck. 

I'm starting to agree with this.

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16 hours ago, Matt17 said:

 Smacks of a small man with serious self-worth issues to me. 

Soo the OR skipper with a lifetime of being paid to play in the AC and who has won twice, being the youngest to ever win the AC the first time, "has issues", in your opinion?

YCMTSU lolz

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22 minutes ago, jaysper said:

Someone speculated that the Oracle bike was just a mindfuck. 

I'm starting to agree with this.

It's been discussed since day one and they even posted a gag pic of their own . 

Only a few hrs to see which way it's going to go for real , time will tell . 

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20 minutes ago, Happie Jack said:

Soo the OR skipper with a lifetime of being paid to play in the AC and who has won twice, being the youngest to ever win the AC the first time, "has issues", in your opinion?

YCMTSU lolz

I just watched the replay of AC 34 and if you do the same I hunk you may agree that that he is one intense individual on and off the water . 

Even being a " old timer " I think hes got at least one left in him. 

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2 minutes ago, maxmini said:

I just watched the replay of AC 34 and if you do the same I hunk you may agree that that he is one intense individual on and off the water . 

Even being a " old timer " I think hes got at least one left in him. 

I think all Kiwis should watch AC 34 and remember...

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8 minutes ago, maxmini said:

It's been discussed since day one and they even posted a gag pic of their own . 

Only a few hrs to see which way it's going to go for real , time will tell . 

I still don't think shit will vet real until the elimination round.

With zero hard metrics to go on, Orifice still have to be strong favorites. 

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How could we ever forget?! Of course no-one's getting too cocky, how could they? ETNZ looked pretty much unstoppable after those first few races ..... :(

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15 minutes ago, maxmini said:

Only a few hrs to see which way it's going to go for real , time will tell . 

I'm thinking we won't see it race until the 2nd week of June, if ever. 
 

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14 hours ago, kiwi_bob said:

One comment from JS that is believable:  the new post AC "framework" that every other team has signed and NZ hasn't - it's quite possible there are some bodies hanging around ETNZ (and sponsors) that think signing it isn't a bad idea, and they like large parts of the proposal. 
Some certainty of regular events etc the current regime where it changes hands and 4 or 5 years go by while the new defender fucks about is a little tedious. Nobody who is seriously invested in these current boats (Like the sailors and engineers) want too bigger change and a 4 or 5 year gap. 

Even if NZ does win I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the end competition doesn't look too different to what they are proposing - I suspect Dalton just wants to fire everyone involved in the current organisation (ACEA, ACRM) and do it his way, which is kind of fair enough with the crap that's gone down. If they don't win they will have to suck it up. They certainly won't go back to monos and org structure and setup from 2000. 

 

5 hours ago, Finnfart said:

TNZ not signing was absolutely brilliant negotiating.  It was the equivalent of holding out owning the last house on a block that a developer wants to build an apartment building on.

By doing this, they have all the benefits of the agreement, and total latitude to change it as they wish.  The reason is that all those that signed it have no incentive to not let them 'in' if they change their minds.  In fact, they would have a strong incentive to make whatever adjustments they wanted in order to get in.  This way the signors investments would be protected, and TNZ would get the adjustments they wanted.

Whatever, TNZ grabbed sac.  Jimmy is bitching now because he's worried his balls might soon start to hurt.

 

I can see that Sailors and Syndicates want certainty and continuity. I would love to see these foiling cats endure & evolve, but "The Framework" agreement is not a legal document, it's a M.o.U.

Cynically, Dalton could have signed it, got cosy & chummy with the Defender / Challenger Cuddle Club, then, if they won it,  dishonoured it, simply stating D.o.G. terms have precedence. (but ETNZ don't operate that way). 

I don't doubt some (maybe many) in ETNZ want the certainty of the Framework, plus, a return to strict Nationality rules, would sack half the (ex-pat kiwi & aussie) employees on other syndicates, and damage opportunities of some skilled NZ business (e.g.- Core Builders) which would turn a lot of kiwis against him. 

The loose nationality rules are definitely a net gain for NZ & NZ'ers. (IMO) 

Problem is, there's a reason the AC is called the Poisoned Challice, because everyone who tries to control it, ultimately gets burned. The D.o.G.  humbles the aspirations of the mightiest Billionaires when tested in the NYSC, and always has done. 

After all, litigating the D.o.G. terms is how Larry won it in the first place. 

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29 minutes ago, Happie Jack said:


^I thought Larry cheated by using a trimaran in a catameran race?

 

No, he didn't cheat, he only had to specify the length & beam of the boat. 

He specified 90ft x 90ft (max allowable under D.o.G. terms). He never had to specify what category of boat. 

This precedent was set by Conner racing a Cat against NZ 1 Monohull. Fay took them to court and won, but overturned on appeal. 

The last thing anyone (bar lawyers) want is a return to bad old days of endless litigation, which is why I am softening more toward the Framework concept. 

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2 minutes ago, waterboy42 said:

 

No, he didn't cheat, he only had to specify the length & beam of the boat. 

He specified 90ft x 90ft (max allowable under D.o.G. terms). He never had to specify what category of boat. 

Ahh Fay KZ1 style!

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5 hours ago, Finnfart said:

TNZ not signing was absolutely brilliant negotiating.  It was the equivalent of holding out owning the last house on a block that a developer wants to build an apartment building on.

By doing this, they have all the benefits of the agreement, and total latitude to change it as they wish.  The reason is that all those that signed it have no incentive to not let them 'in' if they change their minds.  In fact, they would have a strong incentive to make whatever adjustments they wanted in order to get in.  This way the signors investments would be protected, and TNZ would get the adjustments they wanted.

Whatever, TNZ grabbed sac.  Jimmy is bitching now because he's worried his balls might soon start to hurt.

Nifty! A strong endorsement from North America. Standing up to the "Northern Hemisphere Alliance" was totally the right thing to do. And I'm certain it wasn't just a macho Dalts move as some dickwits have suggested. This came from the ETNZ Board of Directors ... and very likely with the concurrence of RNZYS Directors.

Don't get me wrong. There should be more forward looking on the scope and direction of the America's Cup.  All would benefit. But this warrants the involvement and agreement of all the stakeholders. 

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8 minutes ago, Happie Jack said:

Ahh Fay KZ1 style!

Yeah, plus, Larry didn't even want to have a D.o.G. Challenge (one on one) initially, he just wanted to force Ernesto to create a fair protocol for AC33 for the benefit of all Challengers.

I know ETNZ were cheering him on at the time, as EB had taken Cup Fixing to a whole new level. 

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16 minutes ago, Happie Jack said:

Ahh Fay KZ1 style!

Yep. The Fay fiasco settled for all time the rights of the participants in a DoG race to dictate the type of boat to be raced. That is they have no rights at all and you can turn up with whatever the hell you want as long as the motive force is wind. Even the triming was done with motors.

Didn't really like any of those decisions but they are for better or worse the rules and Larry complied with them.

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18 hours ago, Indio said:

The journalists at the presser were slack, with all of them missing opportunities to follow up on openings Jimminy's arrogance opened up - re. two boats, trying to compare OR-Xerox-ORSBJPN to ETNZ-LR, etc. The only journos asking searching questions were the TVNZ and RNZ reps..

 

I noticed that too.. It seemed like there were dozens of Reporters there and no one would ask a question.. It was like pulling teeth for the PC Host. 

I just hope the press haven't sent a bunch of sailing illiterates to cover the event, who were too scared of asking a dumb question.

Maybe they're all "Senior Sports Writers" (as is the favoured NZ generalist title) to cover a technical sport they haven't a clue about. 

 

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8 hours ago, Matt17 said:

Wow - that's a big arse! Beautiful looking boat - who does that belong to?

That belongs to Matteo deNora. Principal of ETNZ.

 

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48 minutes ago, waterboy42 said:

Yeah, plus, Larry didn't even want to have a D.o.G. Challenge (one on one) initially, he just wanted to force Ernesto to create a fair protocol for AC33 for the benefit of all Challengers.

I know ETNZ were cheering him on at the time, as EB had taken Cup Fixing to a whole new level. 

And then Larry proceeded to top him.

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22 minutes ago, waterboy42 said:

I noticed that too.. It seemed like there were dozens of Reporters there and no one would ask a question.. It was like pulling teeth for the PC Host. 

I just hope the press haven't sent a bunch of sailing illiterates to cover the event, who were too scared of asking a dumb question.

Maybe they're all "Senior Sports Writers" (as is the favoured NZ generalist title) to cover a technical sport they haven't a clue about. 

At a White House press conference, or any major briefing, the only chance virtually all media get to pose their questions is in front of and in the hearing of their peers. 

At AC press conferences the media are well acquainted with the state of the game and save their good questions for one-on-one opportunities.

Also please note that the majority of the crowd at AC press conferences are visitors, hangers on, the occasional team member, etc.  In show biz, it's called papering the house.

 

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Due to ETNZ light wind foiling advantage, IM has announced, that for safety reasons, the minimum wind strength has been increased to 12 knots.

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2 minutes ago, Nervous said:

Due to ETNZ light wind foiling advantage, IM has announced, that for safety reasons, the minimum wind strength has been increased to 12 knots.

Very droll. But right now etnz being faster than orifice in ANY condition is an assumption. Even if that assumption is true now it may not be so come cup time. Remember '13?

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3 hours ago, jaysper said:

Someone speculated that the Oracle bike was just a mindfuck. 

I'm starting to agree with this.

That just seems like it would be such a dumb plan. It costs them all that time and effort - including valuable practice time - and for what? To make ETNZ think they tried to copy them but couldn't make it work? Doesn't that make ETNZ feel better about the situation? It doesn't make any sense.

 

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29 minutes ago, KiwiJoker said:

At a White House press conference, or any major briefing, the only chance virtually all media get to pose their questions is in front of and in the hearing of their peers. 

At AC press conferences the media are well acquainted with the state of the game and save their good questions for one-on-one opportunities.

Also please note that the majority of the crowd at AC press conferences are visitors, hangers on, the occasional team member, etc.  In show biz, it's called papering the house.

 

 

Good points & insights. 

How much one-on-one would they get during racing? I imagine that would be preferable, as why give other publications the benefits of your best questions, but also that most syndicates would be fairly shut down to distractions outside the mandatory Press Conferences? 

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Just now, jawjaw said:

That just seems like it would be such a dumb plan. It costs them all that time and effort - including valuable practice time - and for what? To make ETNZ think they tried to copy them but couldn't make it work? Doesn't that make ETNZ feel better about the situation? It doesn't make any sense.

 

Makes as much sense as the abomination that Slinger was sitting on.

Only other explanation I can come up with is maybe a temporary solution to test what to do with the extra power while the real solution is built. But in that case why just put an electric pump on temporarily? 

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I think the most reasonable explanation is that they're genuinely trying a single-cyclor system and it looked terrible because it's new, and shit like that always looks bad the first few times. It's just a question of whether they can get it to race quality (probably both through practice and genuinely upgrading the system) before the AC. It makes perfect sense, there's no need for an alternate explanation.

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On 2017-5-26 at 4:37 PM, chris360 said:

^ Interesting Monk saying with startlingly confidence that he thinks ETNZ will take it out.. (touch wood).. 

Just as interesting is the article he was quoted in a few days before saying Oracle was 3yrs ahead of any other challenge..  Confusing.. 

 

20 hours ago, Purple Headed Warrior said:

JS also dropped loads and loads of hints to the ideology that the AC is the new F1 on water, bullshit..... 

The F1 analogy gets quoted so much, but I've yet to see an F1 where a previous Champ gets automatic entry into a 2 car race to decide the next year's Champ.. 

 

20 hours ago, BillyO said:

Forgive me, but what does Or-Xerox mean?

I though it was a nickname for Team Japan being a Carbon Copy of OR... 

Both interpretations of OR-Xerox seem to work.. :)

 

6 hours ago, jaysper said:

Just Spithill doing some old fashioned sledging. It seems to be a pasttime for some Ozzie sportsmen.

Plus Jimmy is a King Dick and a Tool.

http://www.kingdicktools.co.uk

Jimmy's great! 

America's Cup is High Drama - - > High Drama must have an Arch Villain - - > Arch Villain must have an Evil Empire. 

Who better than a brash Aussie working for a once virtuous kiwi corrupted by the Dark Side working for an all-powerful Malevolent Overlord. Hollywood could never script it better.. 

Last thing we want in the story is to beat nice Mr Marsh from the Marshmallow Factory. 

 

3 hours ago, maxmini said:

I just watched the replay of AC 34 and if you do the same I hunk you may agree that that he is one intense individual on and off the water . 

Even being a " old timer " I think hes got at least one left in him. 

 

3 hours ago, Happie Jack said:

I think all Kiwis should watch AC 34 and remember...

I watched the AC34 replays, to Oracles credit, developing upwind foiling killed us. But, also, the Afterguard trio of Ainslie + Slingsby + Spithill worked far better than Barker + Davies. Despite foiling, they muffed several chances to shut the door. 

3 great sailing brains were better than 2 great sailing brains and it showed. 

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4 hours ago, Happie Jack said:

I think all Kiwis should watch AC 34 and remember...

We remember - the cheating.

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4 hours ago, weta27 said:

How could we ever forget?! Of course no-one's getting too cocky, how could they? ETNZ looked pretty much unstoppable after those first few races ..... :(

They were unstoppable. They resorted to cheating to stop ETNZ...

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F1 has been boring for years and although this season is a tad more interesting (two teams actually have a chance of winning a race rather than only one) I don't think it's something the AC should try and emulate. And anyway, F1 is fleet racing.

7 minutes ago, waterboy42 said:

I watched the AC34 replays, to Oracles credit, developing upwind foiling killed us. But, also, the Afterguard trio of Ainslie + Slingsby + Spithill worked far better than Barker + Davies. Despite foiling, they muffed several chances to shut the door. 

This is the truth and I wish more NZ'ers would accept it and move on. In the end Oracle had better speed and strategy pre-start and around the course.

I don't think ETNZ will make the same mistake again but I daren't underestimate OTUSA, I reckon they'll be very, very fast, I just can't imagine they've fucked this up.

I think we might see Oracle being faster with her hulls up but ETNZ able to stay dry for more of the course.

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18 minutes ago, waterboy42 said:

Jimmy's great! 

America's Cup is High Drama - - > High Drama must have an Arch Villain - - > Arch Villain must have an Evil Empire. 

Who better than a brash Aussie working for a once virtuous kiwi corrupted by the Dark Side working for an all-powerful Malevolent Overlord. Hollywood could never script it better.. 

Last thing we want in the story is to beat nice Mr Marsh from the Marshmallow Factory. 

Jimmy is a lucky guy. Perhaps touched on the ass by a fairy when he was starting out. There is no doubt he is a great cultural fit in the Oracle camp.

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There seems to be a quiet confidence about this campaign this time around. A feeling that everything has come together nicely and that we may be able to get the job done this time. A fast, innovative, unique design, and a sailing team packed full of champions. Surely it has to be ETNZ's year.

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1 minute ago, sclarke said:

Surely it has to be ETNZ's year.

I always think of that sort of talk as an offering to the Mockers God.

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