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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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1 minute ago, Miffy said:

Depends on the jurisdiction where the former employee is located, depends on where the competing entity is located, depends on how much consideration you paid, and if there are public interest considerations that goes against it. 

In the US it is a state by state analysis, not federal 9th circuit. If you're Oracle and sign a noncompete just for employment without additional consideration, employee jumps ship to New Zealand but works physically in Italy, good luck. You can enforce anti-corporate espionage legislation enacted per treaty obligations by most advanced economies, but right to employment isn't just casually voided because of a signature. 

In my field and jurisdiction, 2.5 years, been told it'll never get enforced and will be declared void? Ive been told I have be paying like 1/2 ~ 2x the annual salary in a lump sum for like a year. And it is always a case by case basis. 

To be clear, my original comment was in regard to NZ employment law because this is where Burling et al are employed.

I've heard cases of gardening leave up to 3 months but not more (although there might be cases of such). However 1 or 2 years restraint of trade just wouldn't fly (or foil).

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Looks like they'll be schmoozing at the yacht club afterwards too.

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2 minutes ago, jaysper said:

To be clear, my original comment was in regard to NZ employment law because this is where Burling et al are employed.

I've heard cases of gardening leave up to 3 months but not more (although there might be cases of such). However 1 or 2 years restraint of trade just wouldn't fly (or foil).

Yah most of the modern world balances proprietor interest and employee rights by separating right to work and corporate espionage protections and getting away from non-competes. 

In the US you have idiots drafting non-competes against fucking waiters as if there's investment in employee dev or secret trade info. Increasingly getting laughed out of courts. 

 

If if someone wanted to poach Burling, they won't be keeping him in Kiwiland, just move him offshore and come back for the cup. Lol good luck trying to stop that. Keeping talent is about making them happy. Not sowing seeds of discontent with oppressive contracts. 

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43 minutes ago, Miffy said:

Depends on the jurisdiction where the former employee is located, depends on where the competing entity is located, depends on how much consideration you paid, and if there are public interest considerations that goes against it. 

In the US it is a state by state analysis, not federal 9th circuit. If you're Oracle and sign a noncompete just for employment without additional consideration, employee jumps ship to New Zealand but works physically in Italy, good luck. You can enforce anti-corporate espionage legislation enacted per treaty obligations by most advanced economies, but right to employment isn't just casually voided because of a signature. 

In my field and jurisdiction, 2.5 years, been told it'll never get enforced and will be declared void? Ive been told I have be paying like 1/2 ~ 2x the annual salary in a lump sum for like a year. And it is always a case by case basis. Most of the time employers are just bluffing with sham noncompetes that can't be enforced.

i had colleagues that got poached and on the way out basically said you're welcome to try and get an injunction against me from starting work, but please know if you lose, I'll be sure to let all my friends know there's precedent that the specific noncompete is void - and we are hiring  

 

Bang on. And when the new employer is prepared to challenge the validity of the non compete, the lawyers have a field day. 

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40 minutes ago, Miffy said:

Keeping talent is about making them happy. Not sowing seeds of discontent with oppressive contracts. 

Absolutely agreed.

Makes me think Burling was probably just catching up with Russell to find out what the market rate for a helmsman employed by a billionaire instead of ETNZ should be.

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5 minutes ago, KoW said:

Absolutely agreed.

Makes me think Burling was probably just catching up with Russell to find out what the market rate for a helmsman employed by a billionaire instead of ETNZ should be.

If Pete gets offered several times as many millions to race in a brand new NextGen AC50 circuit, a boat he says he absolutely loves, then who could blame him for going that direction. Same for GA, AC50 designers, and whoever-all else.

A P$B mono slug, with severely commensurate pay-limiting nationality restrictions, as the alternative?! C'mon.. get real.

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12 minutes ago, ~Stingray~ said:

If Pete gets offered several times as many millions to race in a brand new NextGen AC50 circuit, a boat he says he absolutely loves, then who could blame him for going that direction.

Personally I'd say bloody well done to him...

but there do seem to be a LOT of rabid, fervent, non-sailing jingoistic nutjobs in New Zealand who bear grudges against sailors who leave ETNZ to try and win the Cup for the highest paying billionaire and/or convert the Cup into something it is not, and who try their damndest to make it impossible for it to ever come back to New Zealand shores all in the name of self-interest.

Having said that, ironically, as well as being the best placed man to tell Burling what the market rate for a helmsman is, Coutts would also be the best placed person to tell Burling all about rabid nutjobs, hiring bodyguards and becoming a national object of hatred.

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9 minutes ago, ~Stingray~ said:

If Pete gets offered several times as many millions to race in a brand new NextGen AC50 circuit, a boat he says he absolutely loves, then who could blame him for going that direction. Same for GA, AC50 designers, and whoever-all else.

A P$B mono slug, with severely commensurate pay-limiting nationality restrictions, as the alternative?! C'mon.. get real.

I still don't see how this whole NextGen thing would work out. Without the full support of TNZ it would lose all reference to the AC. Without the AC link would it really be of much interest, considering the cost to develop, transport, maintain and race them. The ACWS was only watched because of the AC link, without it the event becomes just another expensive regatta with one big drawback. Any rich boys that want to get involved can't drive their own boat. So why would they. So without selling the concept to redbull I just don't see how it could fly.

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3 minutes ago, KoW said:

Personally I'd say bloody well done to him...

but there do seem to be a LOT of rabid, fervent, non-sailing jingoistic nutjobs in New Zealand who bear grudges against sailors who leave ETNZ to try and win the Cup for the highest paying billionaire and/or convert the Cup into something it is not, and who try their damndest to make it impossible for it to ever come back to New Zealand shores all in the name of self-interest.

Having said that, ironically, as well as being the best placed man to tell Burling what the market rate for a helmsman is, Coutts would also be the best placed person to tell Burling all about rabid nutjobs, hiring bodyguards and becoming a national object of hatred.

 I was suggesting that RC may be offering a role in an AC50 series separate from whatever goes down in AC36. 

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4 minutes ago, KoW said:

Personally I'd say bloody well done to him...

but there do seem to be a LOT of rabid, fervent, non-sailing jingoistic nutjobs in New Zealand who bear grudges against sailors who leave ETNZ to try and win the Cup for the highest paying billionaire and/or convert the Cup into something it is not, and who try their damndest to make it impossible for it to ever come back to New Zealand shores all in the name of self-interest.

Having said that, ironically, as well as being the best placed man to tell Burling what the market rate for a helmsman is, Coutts would also be the best placed person to tell Burling all about rabid nutjobs, hiring bodyguards and becoming a national object of hatred.

I think you will find it is largely reserved for Russell et al because they gutted TNZ in a coordinated fashion.

I don't recall hearing anyone bashing Dickson, etc for plying their trade elsewhere.

If Burling goes elsewhere (unlikely IMO because I don't think ETNZ's funding situation is remotely as dire as they make out) then that's fine.

If however, he arranged for a coordinated exit of the core of the team then he could go get fucked also.

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5 minutes ago, KoW said:

Personally I'd say bloody well done to him...

but there do seem to be a LOT of rabid, fervent, non-sailing jingoistic nutjobs in New Zealand who bear grudges against sailors who leave ETNZ to try and win the Cup for the highest paying billionaire and/or convert the Cup into something it is not, and who try their damndest to make it impossible for it to ever come back to New Zealand shores all in the name of self-interest.

Having said that, ironically, as well as being the best placed man to tell Burling what the market rate for a helmsman is, Coutts would also be the best placed person to tell Burling all about rabid nutjobs, hiring bodyguards and becoming a national object of hatred.

The cry of traitor certainly disappointed me. Athletes have a short time to make their choice of money making work and who are we to complain when the chances are that all of us would snap up any chance to earn way more by shifting jobs.

However I disagree with the direction RC has tried to take the cup and he needs a kick in the nuts for that. Then we all should look forward not back at shoulda coulda.

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6 minutes ago, Gissie said:

I still don't see how this whole NextGen thing would work out. Without the full support of TNZ it would lose all reference to the AC. Without the AC link would it really be of much interest, considering the cost to develop, transport, maintain and race them. The ACWS was only watched because of the AC link, without it the event becomes just another expensive regatta with one big drawback. Any rich boys that want to get involved can't drive their own boat. So why would they. So without selling the concept to redbull I just don't see how it could fly.

Yes, a NextGen AC50 Series would cast off the lines from AC36, with no actual America's Cup at stake.

But do you really think it matters too much, to an LE or TT? They may not actually care this time.

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Just now, ~Stingray~ said:

Yes, it would cast the lines from AC36, with no actual America's Cup at stake.

But do you really think it matters too much, to an LE or TT? They may not actually care.

Considering LE/RC seemed to be on this big run of making the cup self funding then they wouldn't touch a new series with expensive boats that only a few people can drive without risking life and boat with your dick.

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12 minutes ago, KoW said:

but there do seem to be a LOT of rabid, fervent, non-sailing jingoistic nutjobs in New Zealand who bear grudges against sailors who leave ETNZ to try and win the Cup for the highest paying billionaire and/or convert the Cup into something it is not, and who try their damndest to make it impossible for it to ever come back to New Zealand shores all in the name of self-interest.

This is because your average kiwi couch potato cares only for the colour of the jersey and a sense of elation at seeing one of them holding medals or trophies... and when they don't, wifey gets a black eye.

I fear the nationality rule will be a gigantic kiwi circlejerk that puts Larry and Russell's board-stacking to shame.

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15 minutes ago, ~Stingray~ said:

 I was suggesting that RC may be offering a role in an AC50 series separate from whatever goes down in AC36. 

Yes that may well be what was happening, and I don't think anyone would begrudge a young Burling if he chose to defect to an AC50 series that had nothing to do with the AC (especially if the new AC class rule isn't in cats similar to A50s)

Actually I'd strongly argue if Coutts and co. are serious about running a series independent of the AC then they need Burling and/or Ashby and Tuke  - how could any new AC50 circuit have any credibility when the proven best AC50 sailors aren't involved? The America's Cup gives instant credibility, but without it, or the best sailors, boats, teams and tech, an AC50 series would just be another beach regatta.

If I were ETNZ though, I'd seriously consider keeping involved in any new circuit that did pop up (even if their new AC class rule isn't an AC50 type boat) - That would keep their sailors and designers involved and sharp, (and in the hunt for billionaire prize money), and stop their IP and talent being snaffled by other teams between ACs. If Coutts and co. tried to block ETNZ from being involved in their little series, they'd pretty quickly lose any cred at all IMO.

 

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8 hours ago, Miffy said:

 

Two sailors that have given much to New Zealand sailing not giving a shit about internet cunts. RC is a lousy AC organizer, but he's been a strong reason why youth sailing continues to be strong in NZ. 

Well sed

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Some years ago. Coutts proposed a professional tour using the fastest, big cats. It never took off for a number of reasons. We now have 3 such tours (AC, GC32 Cup, Extreme) proving he was correct. Whatever decision is made about the boat for the AC, that number will remain at 3 or become 4, because the Volvo have announced that is the way they are going for in port racing in the future. This means that every major professional tour that has money and which gets real viewers both live and on TV will be in foiling cats. If a monhull lead mine is chosen, the relevance of Ashby, Burling and Tuke goes and they probably would want to be involved in some sort of foiling cat tour because it suits their skills and it is what they enjoy. I doubt any of them are in it just for the money. It will be a huge gamble for ETNZ to move away from foiling cats. they will be handing most spectacular sailing over to great marketing machines including the best in sailing, the Volvo. they risk losing the key members of their team or neutralising their skills. They would throw away any advantage and learning they have gained this time around from having a better design team. They would also be creating an opening for Coutts and Co to undermine the AC once again with a rival series.

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Reporting live from Wellington...

Ahhh fuck, photos from my camera are too big to upload

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Yeah, same here. Mine are all 5 MB.

Got a nice shit with Ray Davies and myself, but accidentally covered my "For Ourselves" T-Shirt with a thumbs up.

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2 hours ago, Miffy said:

Depends on the jurisdiction where the former employee is located, depends on where the competing entity is located, depends on how much consideration you paid, and if there are public interest considerations that goes against it. 

In the US it is a state by state analysis, not federal 9th circuit. If you're Oracle and sign a noncompete just for employment without additional consideration, employee jumps ship to New Zealand but works physically in Italy, good luck. You can enforce anti-corporate espionage legislation enacted per treaty obligations by most advanced economies, but right to employment isn't just casually voided because of a signature. 

In my field and jurisdiction, 2.5 years, been told it'll never get enforced and will be declared void? Ive been told I have be paying like 1/2 ~ 2x the annual salary in a lump sum for like a year. And it is always a case by case basis. Most of the time employers are just bluffing with sham noncompetes that can't be enforced.

i had colleagues that got poached and on the way out basically said you're welcome to try and get an injunction against me from starting work, but please know if you lose, I'll be sure to let all my friends know there's precedent that the specific noncompete is void - and we are hiring  

 

The matters I know we're in Washington, CA,MA and IRL and and you might want to check the 9th appeal. And yes we are not talking about some water boy/girl. 

Anyways I am not a lawyer, thank god.

Thus you win because  I do not know nothing about law and really afraid of people that write their own rules....some people come to mind... lawyers, JS, RC, LC...

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21 minutes ago, jaysper said:

Yeah, same here. Mine are all 5 MB.

Got a nice shit with Ray Davies and myself, but accidentally covered my "For Ourselves" T-Shirt with a thumbs up.

How was the shit anyway mate?

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1 minute ago, **ONTOIT** said:

How was the shit anyway mate?

Yeah, if the shit was too big at least you could describe it for us

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Was it a jimmy?

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1 minute ago, **ONTOIT** said:

How was the shit anyway mate?

LOL! Big brown and sloppy and there were two Emirates girls hanging around with it! :D

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Just now, **ONTOIT** said:

Was it a jimmy?

Didn't see you what I said???? TWO EMIRATES GIRLS hanging around with it. Therefore, it COULDN'T have been a Jimmy! :P

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found some merchandise for you two Jay!

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26 minutes ago, jaysper said:

Yeah, same here. Mine are all 5 MB.

Got a nice shit with Ray Davies and myself, but accidentally covered my "For Ourselves" T-Shirt with a thumbs up.

Email the photo to yourself... Resize the photo when prompted by phone

 

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Just now, Rushman said:

Email the photo SHIT to yourself... Resize the photo SHIT when prompted by phone

 

fixed it for you lol...nothing like a good bit of toilet humor!

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40 minutes ago, jaysper said:

Yeah, same here. Mine are all 5 MB.

Got a nice shit with Ray Davies and myself, but accidentally covered my "For Ourselves" T-Shirt with a thumbs up.

Pics, or it didn't happen. Just like sunshine in Wellington.

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14 minutes ago, Rushman said:

Email the photo to yourself... Resize the photo when prompted by phone

 

If on an iPhone (maybe Android too) just crop it a bit and Save. It gets small enough to upload.

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3 hours ago, E63sccb said:

If you order the shirt , use a different color than the gray/black the black part of the graphics gets lost

Good feedback... I ordered a dark grey and its all good.. for the boat one... might order the cup one in black

Got mine on today too! :-)

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9 hours ago, Barnyb said:

TNZ

That's weirder than I thought it would be. 

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am i the only sad sack taking great pleasure in watching and rewatching all the races ?

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12 minutes ago, ENZO THE MAL said:

am i the only sad sack taking great pleasure in watching and rewatching all the races ?

No

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Copy your images to Photoshop or something similar, then resize each one down - there's your reduced meg image capable of posting.

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50 minutes ago, ENZO THE MAL said:

am i the only sad sack taking great pleasure in watching and rewatching all the races ?

Not in the slightest. 

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54 minutes ago, Barnyb said:

No

Agreed. Not at all. 

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1 hour ago, ENZO THE MAL said:

am i the only sad sack taking great pleasure in watching and rewatching all the races ?

Nope, I just wish I had the first day of races apart from that I got them all.

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1 hour ago, DevsNzL said:

Nope, I just wish I had the first day of races apart from that I got them all.

Race 9 of the semi finals, the first race after the pitchpole? Can't find that one to record to disc anywhere.

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7 minutes ago, DayTripper said:

Race 9 of the semi finals, the first race after the pitchpole? Can't find that one to record to disc anywhere.

i will upload to drop box and send you the link

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Sweet, thanks. At the moment I have only the first nine minutes, courtesy of Rudder_NZ.

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Yes, a NextGen AC50 Series would cast off the lines from AC36, with no actual America's Cup at stake.

But who would get automatic entry & a point up in the Final? <_<

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9 hours ago, jaysper said:

Got a nice shit with Ray Davies and myself,

end you got a chup bro?

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2 hours ago, ENZO THE MAL said:

i will upload to drop box and send you the link

Yea can I have that link as well, you wouldn't by chance have all of the first days racing?

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As some others have said, is there any chance that these races will appear on a blu-ray or other format at some stage in the future?

 Thanks. 

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can I also post a picture of the day? Even if it's 2y old? Even more fun now...

 

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^nice

who woulda thought that in one flush we get Darth Barker and a Jimmy, all laid out on fresh loo paper and spiralling down in a symbiotic dark hole orbit.

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There has been much talk about the day ETNZ sailed against ART in conditions out of range for their boards. Does anyone know which day/races that was?

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2 hours ago, Barnyb said:

The 'actual' pictures of the day:

 

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Great! Thanks Barnyb. 

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9 hours ago, k-f-u said:

can I also post a picture of the day? Even if it's 2y old? Even more fun now...

 

The #letsgetdalton tag an be shoved up the arses of all those who have said he was an ungracious winner. Wonder how #letsgetjimmy would have gone down prior to the cup if roles were reversed. Karma is a wonderful thing. 

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10 hours ago, k-f-u said:

can I also post a picture of the day? Even if it's 2y old? Even more fun now...

 

The comments are hilarious. 2 years ago JS says "I think they will beat TNZ" . Scroll down to the bottom and you've got posts made today "How'd this turn out for ya?"

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What I absolutely love about this whole cup tour is that they are letting people actually touch it, its not being kept behind ropes and 4 heavies, GD grabs it out of the case and takes it right to the crowd for he knows what this means to everyone and letting everyone have their little moment to touch such a iconic trophy is just magic. I've yet to do so yet but I hope I can one day. 

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^ True, pretty cool how fun and hands-on it has been.

During the 'GGYC' stewardship it was always a white gloves affair.

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15 minutes ago, KZ-1 said:

What I absolutely love about this whole cup tour is that they are letting people actually touch it, its not being kept behind ropes and 4 heavies, GD grabs it out of the case and takes it right to the crowd for he knows what this means to everyone and letting everyone have their little moment to touch such a iconic trophy is just magic. I've yet to do so yet but I hope I can one day. 

I guess ETNZ hasn't quite learned from past mistakes after all.  :lol:

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WetHog  :ph34r:

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2 hours ago, Sea Breeze 74 said:

There has been much talk about the day ETNZ sailed against ART in conditions out of range for their boards. Does anyone know which day/races that was?

Day 2 LV final. Races 4,5,6. :D

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30 minutes ago, Costro said:

Day 2 LV final. Races 4,5,6. :D

Thank you I've been trying to find it myself.

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50 minutes ago, WetHog said:

I guess ETNZ hasn't quite learned from past mistakes after all.  :lol:

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WetHog  :ph34r:

The biggest mistake was not building a cup that could only hold a teaspoon of bubbly.

The cup is now bigger better due to Team NZ previous holdings

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1 hour ago, KZ-1 said:

What I absolutely love about this whole cup tour is that they are letting people actually touch it, its not being kept behind ropes and 4 heavies, GD grabs it out of the case and takes it right to the crowd for he knows what this means to everyone and letting everyone have their little moment to touch such a iconic trophy is just magic. I've yet to do so yet but I hope I can one day. 

At parliament yesterday, there were a couple of women that wanted a pic of them with the cup in the background, so I happily offered to take the shot for them.

But....some police officers were in the way, so I yelled out "Hey Champ, Get out of the way!" whilst gesticulating wildly.

So, what did the police do? They got the hell out of the way!

We joked that if we were in the USA, they might have shot me! :D

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56 minutes ago, jaysper said:

At parliament yesterday, there were a couple of women that wanted a pic of them with the cup in the background, so I happily offered to take the shot for them.

But....some police officers were in the way, so I yelled out "Hey Champ, Get out of the way!" whilst gesticulating wildly.

So, what did the police do? They got the hell out of the way!

We joked that if we were in the USA, they might have shot me! :D

If they had known you were "Jasper of SA fame", they probably would have shot you (twice)!

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2 hours ago, WetHog said:

I guess ETNZ hasn't quite learned from past mistakes after all.  :lol:

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WetHog  :ph34r:

I wonder if the original cup is in ETNZ's possesson, because didn't Larry commision a second one for himself?

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1 hour ago, jaysper said:

We joked that if we were in the USA, they might have shot me! :D

are you black?

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2 minutes ago, Rskiff said:

I wonder if the original cup is in ETNZ's possesson, because didn't Larry commision a second one for himself?

If so, perhaps that iz the oridjin ov the eksprshin "For myself" ?

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36 minutes ago, MR.CLEAN said:

are you [jaysper] black?

His heart is.

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1 hour ago, Barnyb said:

If they had known you were "Jasper of SA fame", they probably would have shot you (twice)!

Lol! And rightly so. Ray recognized the t shirt and asked what my SA handle is. Said he had seen some of my posts but was probably just being polite. Glad the parade wasn't today cos the weather is just shit house!

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1 hour ago, MR.CLEAN said:

are you black?

Hmmmm, I don't buy the whole thing about US cops being racist and killing blacks. The stats I've seen seem to indicate that blacks and whites are killed roughly in proportion to the rate at which they commit crime. Therefore what you guys seem to have are a bunch of trigger happy cops not racist ones.

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5 minutes ago, jaysper said:

Hmmmm, I don't buy the whole thing about US cops being racist and killing blacks. The stats I've seen seem to indicate that blacks and whites are killed roughly in proportion to the rate at which they commit crime. Therefore what you guys seem to have are a bunch of trigger happy cops not racist ones.

FFS STFU you're embarrassing yourself Jason!! :blink:

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10 minutes ago, Indio said:

FFS STFU you're embarrassing yourself Jason!! :blink:

The irony is strong.

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Nice read ...

Cup Half Empty

How to fix the world's most prestigious sailing race.

JUL 17, 2017 | By ANGUS PHILLIPS

 
  
 
 
 
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New Zealand leads USA during the fourth race of the America's Cup in Bermuda (2017). Photo credit: GREGORY BULL / AP
 

Well, that was quick! The 35th America’s Cup was over in a heartbeat. It took barely a month for Emirates Team New Zealand to buzzsaw through a fleet of four challengers before shellacking the U.S. defender, Oracle Team USA, 7-1, to snatch yachting’s oldest prize. This was not your father’s America’s Cup—the boats were 50-foot dragonflies skeeting across the water on hydrofoils at nearly 50 mph and the sailors wore armor, not Izod Lacoste.

Now what?

As a proud senior member of SINS, the Society of International Nautical Scribes, a group that historically holds just one beer-infused meeting every three or four years on the first lay day of the America’s Cup match, wherever it is, I think I deserve a say, even if I did miss the last meeting. I say let’s Make America’s Cup Great Again.

As a reporter for the Washington Post, I covered every Cup from Dennis Conner’s successful defense in Newport, R.I., in 1980 to Larry Ellison’s weird win in Valencia, Spain, in 2010. I watched the America’s Cup sail off to Australia in 1983, come back in 1987, then go away again (to New Zealand) in 1995. I even sailed in some Cup trials, on Team New Zealand in 1995 and Ellison’s Oracle in 2000, as nonparticipating 17th man......

http://www.weeklystandard.com/cup-half-empty/article/2008735

 

 

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2 hours ago, Indio said:

"I say let’s Make America’s Cup Great Again."

Proudly published by America's "No. 1 Conservative Magazine" ... ?

(Is there any other culture in the world where 'conservative' is seen as something to be proud of?!)

Yeah, I love those nostalgic ideas of poop decks, captains hats, aviator sunglasses, pipes and Lacoste shirts, but no I'm sorry, time marches on, and yes he's right, he's a fuddy-duddy ...

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http://imgur.com/a/HtoYv

Parade in Christchurch, if anyone wants to see my photos, not the best.. but meh, it's was freezing cold, it hailed on me, rained on me etc. but I was there.. :)

Shock one hand and got a hug from one of them. ;)

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Jesus. That looks like brass monkey weather fer shure. Above and beyond...

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2 hours ago, InnerVoid said:

http://imgur.com/a/HtoYv

Parade in Christchurch, if anyone wants to see my photos, not the best.. but meh, it's was freezing cold, it hailed on me, rained on me etc. but I was there.. :)

Shock one hand and got a hug from one of them. ;)

Good effort, does look fucking miserable, well worth it though.

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10 hours ago, weta27 said:

Proudly published by America's "No. 1 Conservative Magazine" ... ?

(Is there any other culture in the world where 'conservative' is seen as something to be proud of?!)

Yeah, I love those nostalgic ideas of poop decks, captains hats, aviator sunglasses, pipes and Lacoste shirts, but no I'm sorry, time marches on, and yes he's right, he's a fuddy-duddy ...

Nothing at all wrong with "conservatism", especially when compared to "progressivism" - but I agree there should be no going back to lead mines as we know them, for the AC.

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You'd have to agree that the American brand of conservatism, as evidenced by the state of the White House, is blind to current reality, let alone to progress ...

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7 minutes ago, weta27 said:

You'd have to agree that the American brand of conservatism, as evidenced by the state of the White House, is blind to current reality, let alone to progress ...

Hmmm. Thread drift but...are all American conservatives tarred with the Trump brush? 

I think not.

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You're right (or maybe it's me that's left :)), I don't mean to get political!

I guess I'm just saying that we shouldn't expect particularly forward-thinking opinions in a publication that describes itself as America's "No. 1 Conservative" whatever ....

However, it does raise the intriguing thought of what direction the Cup might take if it ever ends up back at the old-guard NYYC?

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20 hours ago, KZ-1 said:

What I absolutely love about this whole cup tour is that they are letting people actually touch it, its not being kept behind ropes and 4 heavies, GD grabs it out of the case and takes it right to the crowd for he knows what this means to everyone and letting everyone have their little moment to touch such a iconic trophy is just magic. I've yet to do so yet but I hope I can one day. 

lets hope they rough it up a bit down there!

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41 minutes ago, weta27 said:

You're right (or maybe it's me that's left :)), I don't mean to get political!

I guess I'm just saying that we shouldn't expect particularly forward-thinking opinions in a publication that describes itself as America's "No. 1 Conservative" whatever ....

However, it does raise the intriguing thought of what direction the Cup might take if it ever ends up back at the old-guard NYYC?

That Angus piece got picked up by a bunch of other sites too, all of them necessarily (and thank christfully) less conservative than the neo-con Weekly Standard. But yes, it's mostly about Angus himself, and his apparent glorious past memories from decades ago in Newport. Which is fine and understandable.

As to the NYYC, they did recently get a fleet of forward-looking cat foilers, so who knows?

One element that could be good to recreate, even if the boats hopefully remain at the new cutting edge frontier of yacht design imo, is a longer trials buildup. Without Jason this time the Bermuda AC event, at only a month long, would have been a touch too much 'pop up.'

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I agree, the 2017 event was come and gone far too quickly, and I'm sure that sponsors in particular would support a return to a longer format.

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2 hours ago, weta27 said:

I agree, the 2017 event was come and gone far too quickly, and I'm sure that sponsors in particular would support a return to a longer format.

I actually really like the 2-3 month campaigns of '87 etc.

Trouble is, when ETNZ are fighting teams such as Orifice with much greater resources who have shown an ability to copy quickly, this may not be a good thing.

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Have been following the forum for two cup cycles now but think it'ss time to get off the fence and get more engaged. Re flying cats on the Hauraki Gulf... who remembers this?

 

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4 hours ago, weta27 said:

 

...However, it does raise the intriguing thought of what direction the Cup might take if it ever ends up back at the old-guard NYYC?

Are you aware that NYYC members are having a fleet of foiling trimarans built in the Netherlands, and that either the current or a past commodore has a Gunboat?  I think the 'old guard' might not do badly...

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13 minutes ago, minimumfuss said:

Words to live by in today's ODT

 

 

 

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"No mate. You're doing just fine. Keep it up".

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4 minutes ago, pwormwood said:

Are you aware that NYYC members are having a fleet of foiling trimarans built in the Netherlands, and that either the current or a past commodore has a Gunboat?  I think the 'old guard' might not do badly...

I take it all back! Especially don't want to be arguing with somebody who owns a gunboat ...

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36 minutes ago, minimumfuss said:

Words to live by in today's ODT

 

 

 

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And taking corners way too fast and very sharp.

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1 hour ago, Honu007 said:

Have been following the forum for two cup cycles now but think it'ss time to get off the fence and get more engaged. Re flying cats on the Hauraki Gulf... who remembers this?

 

i think that they should actually race the coastal classic all the way this year.  there would be there and back before breakfast. 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Honu007 said:

Have been following the forum for two cup cycles now but think it'ss time to get off the fence and get more engaged. Re flying cats on the Hauraki Gulf... who remembers this?

 

Sounded like artemis howl foils in that video, @weta27 any iidea which ones they had in that day? 

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On 7/11/2017 at 11:39 AM, KoW said:

Yes that may well be what was happening, and I don't think anyone would begrudge a young Burling if he chose to defect to an AC50 series that had nothing to do with the AC (especially if the new AC class rule isn't in cats similar to A50s)

Actually I'd strongly argue if Coutts and co. are serious about running a series independent of the AC then they need Burling and/or Ashby and Tuke  - how could any new AC50 circuit have any credibility when the proven best AC50 sailors aren't involved? The America's Cup gives instant credibility, but without it, or the best sailors, boats, teams and tech, an AC50 series would just be another beach regatta.

If I were ETNZ though, I'd seriously consider keeping involved in any new circuit that did pop up (even if their new AC class rule isn't an AC50 type boat) - That would keep their sailors and designers involved and sharp, (and in the hunt for billionaire prize money), and stop their IP and talent being snaffled by other teams between ACs. If Coutts and co. tried to block ETNZ from being involved in their little series, they'd pretty quickly lose any cred at all IMO.

 

tell you what though would have been epic to see some ac50 fleet racing.  

 

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Maybe the current ac50s can be retrofitted a la VOR and made one design for fleet racing with all current teams providing all boats gaining discounted entry into a new ACWS fleet racing series this would not preclude using a hi tech foiling mono hull for the AC final with some point carry over?

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Yeah would hate to see the AC50s discarded - either include them in the new class or use them for a new version of the ACWS, as a lead-in to the new class.

JazzFreak, that was the AC45T, so sorry I have no idea what they were using back then.

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