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Still remember this day. The AC72's were spectacular. Really enjoyed these videos from ETNZ from this campaign. They really did carry the event media wise for a long time. Even got a couple of Snapshots from the SA page in there too! haha

 

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Here we go. Class rule about to drop. First boat to start building in August. Designers flat out scratching their heads at the alien technology they've thrown out there.

And some of the folk in here are still moaning about AC34. 

I guess it's time.

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45 minutes ago, Barnacle Grin said:

Here we go. Class rule about to drop. First boat to start building in August. Designers flat out scratching their heads at the alien technology they've thrown out there.

And some of the folk in here are still moaning about AC34. 

I guess it's time.

Welcome back TRG :-)

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8 hours ago, barfy said:

careful, warning points for outing

He declare it himself in the Oracle/Cheat debate thread :-)

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On 3/16/2018 at 9:03 PM, sclarke said:

Still remember this day. The AC72's were spectacular. Really enjoyed these videos from ETNZ from this campaign. They really did carry the event media wise for a long time. Even got a couple of Snapshots from the SA page in there too! haha

 

Yeah. These were great times. That cup had a really nice buildup with tons of technology and controversy.  Then those always classy kiwi's graffitied Larry's house and not too long after that ENTZ choked in their time honored fashion. Loved seeing the look on those ENTZ fans face in that last race. Couldn't have happened to a classier bunch.

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1 hour ago, pusslicker said:

Yeah. These were great times. That cup had a really nice buildup with tons of technology and controversy.  Then those always classy kiwi's graffitied Larry's house and not too long after that ENTZ choked in their time honored fashion. Loved seeing the look on those ENTZ fans face in that last race. Couldn't have happened to a classier bunch.

Almost as priceless as the look on James Spithills face when Pete used his classic one liner: "Good to finally see a bit of fight outta these boys" lol it was at that point, Spithill knew he was going to get demolished.

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^

(AFAIK)

LV long time main sponsor of CSS, Louis Vuitton Cup - but main driver Bruno Trouble retired now

Some bad blood between (market competitors) LV and Prada/PB over rights in SF

LV dumped by ACalaphabet/Russ, leading to: "What we have now is a vulgar beach event smelling of sunscreen and french fries. This is definitely NOT the Cup." (BT) :lol:

LV taken back aboard by ACalaphabet/Russ as naming rights sponsor of the entire AC35 cycle - including the Match

New main sponsor found for AC36 cycle

 

You're welcome to the free history lesson - just try not to be such and obvious troll

 

 

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8 hours ago, inebriated said:

maybe the wrong forum to discuss this on, but what happened to LV?

did they actively pull out or just dumped by ETNZ in favour of prada?

GD in the Clean interview said (paraphrasing) ‘Prada offered, LV did not, we are happy with Prada.’

It was likely already a long-done-deal via the secret ‘Milan Framework Agreement’ given the message-sending heave-ho of the LV kit from the stage in Bermuda, GD being the one who prompted it by throwing that first bag.

 

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25 minutes ago, nav said:

^

(AFAIK)

LV long time main sponsor of CSS, Louis Vuitton Cup - but main driver Bruno Trouble retired now

Some bad blood between (market competitors) LV and Prada/PB over rights in SF

LV dumped by ACalaphabet/Russ, leading to: "What we have now is a vulgar beach event smelling of sunscreen and french fries. This is definitely NOT the Cup." (BT) :lol:

LV taken back aboard by ACalaphabet/Russ as naming rights sponsor of the entire AC35 cycle - including the Match

New main sponsor found for AC36 cycle

 

You're welcome to the free history lesson - just try not to be such and obvious troll

 

 

ok, cheers for a genuine answer to a genuine question, it's more than many give, so cheers

i try not to troll, sometimes i try to poke the bees nest just to get an answer. i just kind of find this whole COR sponsoring the CSS a bit fishy, and i definitly would if LV actively sponsored say artemis last round

to me i kind of look at LR like i would a brand new kid in an opti (albiet a fast one), and their dad just became the head of the association.

i also feel like their is a bit of hypocrisy with a couple of TNZ and, talking shit about the framework when this was probably mostly planned before ETNZ won the cup.

i hope you can actually see where i am coming from, i know that this is anarchy, but i'm feeling like everyone is just brushing this under the rug and forgetting about it and it would be good to actually discuss this

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What if the Defender/Event organisation went out and secured a sponsor for the event, but at the same time signed the same sponsor to the Defender - and additionally to their pet poodle Challenger, is that fishy too? Because that happened more than once last time and was certainly 'brushed under the rug' here. No issue apparently!? Bear that in mind when taking your crusade forward.

What is pretty clear is that the 2 Teams with the longest AC pedigrees, ATM, have decided that they know as much or more than the rest when it comes to the basics of organising an AC and about the rules and sportsmanship on which they want to see it conducted - and have suffered through several versions of how not to do it.

The fact that the COR (or more accurately the wife of the Team head) also has the wherewithal to sponsor the various events is a happy bonus - and managed correctly can be done without conflict hopefully. It seems to me (and clearly to them) that it comes down more to attitude and principles than it does to rules - (e.g. change of class rule AC35, changes to racing conditions AC34).

They have certainly earned the right 'do it their way' - only time will tell.....but looks good so far :)

 

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1 hour ago, nav said:

The fact that the COR (or more accurately the wife of the Team head) also has the wherewithal ...

While Miuccia Prada is undoubtedly the creative talent, all business decisions have always been handled by Patrizio - it's a very well balanced couple

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9 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

GD in the Clean interview said (paraphrasing) ‘Prada offered, LV did not, we are happy with Prada.’

It was likely already a long-done-deal via the secret ‘Milan Framework Agreement’ given the message-sending heave-ho of the LV kit from the stage in Bermuda, GD being the one who prompted it by throwing that first bag.

 

Aw, c'mon Sting!   You're the one throwing bags.

IIRC, LV was ready to exit long before Oracle's Bermuda defence.  LV not thrilled by their treatment in San Francisco.  Rusty was hurting for any major sponsors before he eventually got LV back on board again. No surprise that LV decided after Bermuda not to re-up.

An Prada  didn't need your "secret ‘Milan Framework Agreement’"  (do you have a copy, BTW?)  The Bertellis have a nose for a commercial opportunity and it was there ready to be snapped up..

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10 hours ago, nav said:

What if the Defender/Event organisation went out and secured a sponsor for the event, but at the same time signed the same sponsor to the Defender - and additionally to their pet poodle Challenger, is that fishy too? Because that happened more than once last time and was certainly 'brushed under the rug' here. No issue apparently!? Bear that in mind when taking your crusade forward.

What is pretty clear is that the 2 Teams with the longest AC pedigrees, ATM, have decided that they know as much or more than the rest when it comes to the basics of organising an AC and about the rules and sportsmanship on which they want to see it conducted - and have suffered through several versions of how not to do it.

The fact that the COR (or more accurately the wife of the Team head) also has the wherewithal to sponsor the various events is a happy bonus - and managed correctly can be done without conflict hopefully. It seems to me (and clearly to them) that it comes down more to attitude and principles than it does to rules - (e.g. change of class rule AC35, changes to racing conditions AC34).

They have certainly earned the right 'do it their way' - only time will tell.....but looks good so far :)

 

alright, yeah

that sounds reasonable

i think that it has the potential to go ahead fine so long as the sponsor side of prada doesn't get involved with the racing side of prada, as i think you were getting at.

another possible issue though is that the prada sponsorship could be short lived, say if Luna Rossa stops competing, i doubt that Prada will continue to sponsor the event.

to be honest, nothing too bad has happened yet that i can see except for a pretty obvious favorship in base allocations. they could have probably pushed the hobson wharf extension a tiny bit further and put two small bases down their and given the option for more challengers. that's the only thing that's really bugging me atm

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The base allocation was out of control for quite a few months from all reports. The end result was not entirely in ETNZ's or LR's hands.

I think that ETNZ needed a real base in the public eye this time around, (did you see pics of their last base/tent?)

LR has said they will run the challenger series in a friendly manner between nations, let's wait and see how they do. This gives them a certain amount of status and responsibility, and possibly as the only confirmed challenger the sweet spot on the dock. So far the manner in which the Def and the COR have co-authored the class rule, by both of their accounts, gives credibility to the process between these two so far.

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2 hours ago, KiwiJoker said:

Aw, c'mon Sting!   You're the one throwing bags.

IIRC, LV was ready to exit long before Oracle's Bermuda defence.  LV not thrilled by their treatment in San Francisco.  Rusty was hurting for any major sponsors before he eventually got LV back on board again. No surprise that LV decided after Bermuda not to re-up.

An Prada  didn't need your "secret ‘Milan Framework Agreement’"  (do you have a copy, BTW?)  The Bertellis have a nose for a commercial opportunity and it was there ready to be snapped up..

Hasn't Bruno Troublé moved over to Prada already??

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On 3/31/2018 at 4:33 PM, Indio said:

Hasn't Bruno Troublé moved over to Prada already??

Dunno! Bruno is inextricably wedded to the America's Cup and deserves a lot more credit than he gets for the modern era starting 35 years ago in '83 after he sailed with Baron Bich. I've heard nothing of a Prada connection but he has strong ties to Grant Dalton and ETNZ. Despite his disgust with OracleTh  in Bermuda I think he'd like to get back in the game. One hangup might be the new Praying Mantis Class. He's a classicist. The new look might be a bridge too far.

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He’s been out of LV and out of the game for years, no idea what value he can bring to anything. However, he did show up at the Sailor of the Year award for P$B, in Rome.

As you say the boat is hardly ‘83 traditional; but a criticism he loves to mouth off about is sailors wearing helmets, making them look like ‘robocops’ on TV.  Unfortunately for his cause, helmets are required also in the Rule that was released this week.

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Need work? Talk to Dan...

But there are still vacancies for talented young engineers in the team. Gaps have been left by the departure of the handful of Luna Rossa engineers who were “lent” to Team NZ for the last Cup.

“They were a really good bunch of guys, who are hard to replace, but that’s one of my main jobs at the moment,” Bernasconi says. “We’re looking for young graduates, guys and girls, who have done really well in mechanical, electrical, and hydraulics engineering, and data science. We already have quite a lot of experience in the team, so we want to bring some new young people in.”

 

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/04/10/104123/cyborgs-sidelined-from-the-americas-cup

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^ How I wish I was 50 years younger and could get my brain into this as paid employment - WOW (I don't think I would get much sleep!)

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On 11/04/2018 at 10:08 AM, nav said:

We already have quite a lot of experience in the team, so we want to bring some new young people in.

In other words, we need some people willing to work for cheap.

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That's right ^ you know what they say; "never apply for a junior position - unless you have senior experience" :blink:

I wouldn't even bother to put down the controller or leave the couch for that 'opportunity'.......

Shame on them!

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On 4/16/2018 at 4:24 PM, Kiwing said:

^ Got to practise might get the trimmer role.

fridge trimmer :)

ala cantime

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I hear you caught some fish for my Alaskan guest. Slightly off subject but the Subject does have NZ in it!!

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So  Pete Burling is the new skipper for ETNZ and Ashby has been signed up again too.  Great news from the Herald this afternoon. 

At least that's what Ray Davies is reported as saying on Facebook.

"When contacted for confirmation, a Team New Zealand spokesperson said both Ashby and Burling would be part of the campaign, but insisted no specific roles had been defined.

"Glenn and Pete are both committed to the team and a successful defence. Pete is on the Volvo Ocean Race at present and as such there has been no specific roles defined with the greater sailing team yet."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12035834

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9 hours ago, Kiwing said:

I hear you caught some fish for my Alaskan guest. Slightly off subject but the Subject does have NZ in it!!

:)

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2 hours ago, nav said:

I think they said the role would be "Whatever you want" ;)

Hopefully that rather than Sailing Coach...

Scratch that, whatever he actually does they should call it Sailing Coach :D

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^

It was even better while here in NZ, because noone was getting a real handle on how good they were!

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Has anyone on ETNZ actually admitted to sandbagging yet? Like on the sly during the victory tour or something?

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and when they let their guard slip they nearly ended their campaign !!

Any way they will need a  whole team spirit, like last time, to get the most out of this new boat. What a challenge, and what a learning experience this will be!  Bring on 2021.

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I wonder how a big RC chopper like that compares on payload/flight time vs the quad-drones?

I'm guessing its miles ahead, I don't think the quad-drone style with little rotors can scale up so well as the big rotor of a conventional layout.

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3 hours ago, hoom said:

I wonder how a big RC chopper like that compares on payload/flight time vs the quad-drones?

I'm guessing its miles ahead, I don't think the quad-drone style with little rotors can scale up so well as the big rotor of a conventional layout.

35kg payload on that bad boy...

They are primarily designed for agriculture / crop spraying. I'd think this is more of sponsor promo thing than it being what is used for the actual broadcast coverage.

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26 minutes ago, Stingray~ said:

It’s a beast. 

No video at all is shown from that flight but a fleet of FLIR equipped Yamaha’s could be very cool.

Genuine question - What would thermal imaging tell us?

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2 hours ago, rh2600 said:

Genuine question - What would thermal imaging tell us?

It will ‘depend’ on the conditions.

And on what team underwear they have to wear. 

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5d999fd7-7005-4fca-b087-112f7aaaf3f9.jpe
 
RT HON HELEN CLARK: PATRON OF EMIRATES TEAM NEW ZEALAND
 

Emirates Team New Zealand is honoured to announce Rt Hon Helen Clark as Patron to the team.

The former Prime Minister of New Zealand and Administrator of the United Nations Development Program has accepted the offer from Emirates Team New Zealand CEO Grant Dalton to become an ongoing advocate of the team and its objectives towards defending the America’s Cup in 2021 and beyond.

“I have always had the utmost respect for Helen and everything she has achieved and stood for. She has been a staunch supporter of Emirates Team New Zealand for a long time, and certainly since I joined the team in 2003 her ongoing support through its highs and lows has been a motivating factor for me personally.” said Dalton.

“So it is a great honour to have been able to officially include her as part of Emirates Team New Zealand and Patron of the team.”

Helen Clark was Prime Minister of New Zealand when the government became a sponsor of Emirates Team New Zealand for the 32nd America’s Cup in Valencia, and through to the 34th America’s Cup in San Francisco financially backing the team for the value it brought to the country in terms of innovation, technology, marine industry benefits as well as sporting prowess. All philosophies of what Emirates Team New Zealand continues to stand for today.

“I’m thrilled to become Patron of Emirates Team New Zealand in the run up to the America’s Cup defence in Auckland.” said Helen Clark

“Emirates Team New Zealand are tremendous ambassadors for New Zealand: as fair players and as a dedicated and resilient team, they embody values we hold dear in our country.

“As well, Emirates Team New Zealand’s efforts and profile build interest in New Zealand as a destination, an innovator and designer, an exporter of technology, and a good country with which do business. 

“We are in to win the Cup again, and, as in the past, that will require a huge mobilisation of goodwill and support at home and abroad. 

“I am happy to lend my voice and good offices to that effort.”

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at https://www.sail-world.com/news/204769/Team-Tilt-returns-to-foiling-at-GC32-Worlds

Glenn Ashby, mainsail trimmer: "I am really excited to be back sailing with the Team Tilt guys on the GC32 again, and it's great to continue the relationship between Team Tilt, myself and Emirates Team New Zealand.

"We had a great season together back in 2016 on the GC32 and the young team has continued to develop and impress since then. I think the bar has been raised so I'm looking forward to some solid results with them at the upcoming World Championships racing in one of my favourite sailing and foiling locations, Lake Garda in Italy."

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Who is the moth sailor who is helping the design team with the early foiling transition?  Or are the experts all sailing in the VOR?

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An autobiography by your best mate Grant Dalton .. Starts when he first started ocean racing until the winning of the America's Cup ..

There’s always a moment in a person’s life when they make a change in direction that determines their future.

 

For me, it was the round-the-world yacht race of 1978. New Zealand had become a stopover for competing yachts.

 

I was staying at my grandparents’ home in Auckland, which overlooked the harbour. A Kiwi sailor, Peter Blake, was a crewman aboard the yacht, Heath’s Condor. I had taken a keen interest in the race since their departure from Cape Town.

 

I remember watching as the big, wooden, mahogany Condor sailed into Auckland Harbour carrying a massive yellow spinnaker. Condor won the leg to Auckland.

 

My life changed at that moment. I knew what I wanted to do.

 

I decided I had to do the offshore thing. I didn’t have a lot of experience. I hadn’t been offshore. I was a skiff sailor and an accountant.

 

I left my job and started offshore racing on keel boats doing the Admiral’s Cup, the Fiji Race, Noumea and the Hobart. I also took up sail-making and applied to Peter Blake with a view to joining his new build, a boat called Ceramco in the 1981/82 round-the-world.

 

I wasn’t accepted.

 

Disappointed, I applied to every other participating yacht and got an interview with Cornelius Van Reitschoten, who owned a boat called Flyer. I was appointed as crew sail-maker. I flew to Holland for the launch. Flyer won every single leg and we broke the race record.

 

She was a remarkable boat. A Frers 75, state-of-the-art at the time. She was purpose-built and had a professional crew which was unheard of in those days.

 

We were paid $100 a week, which we drank in port, usually on a Monday. This was an unbelievable time. We lived in hotels rather than on the boat. It was the changing of the times. Flyer really set the benchmark for the professional era.

Read the rest here ..

https://www.playersvoice.com.au/grant-dalton-race-that-changed-my-life/#mKqOhJ95ecbfEeZg.97

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This should keep the thread occupied for the next month...

That mark rounding really made OTUSA look like turkeys

Either one though is fucking impressive

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^ I think you'll find that the wing sheet is the red(?) line angling up from the inside coaming - under tension and being adjusted, it leads to the back of the main element. The slack line? To help with inversion maybe.......or scyth release line?

It's been awhile :D

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1 hour ago, rh2600 said:

That penalty was still rough

Yet the one Artemis benefited from, was it against Softbank, looked identical.

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These are great....and tell us a bit about what the team saw as significant - if you can read 'emoji' .     (but some team commentary would be better)

Hope they can clarify the rules this time, 'cause if neither the general public, sailors, the commentators nor the crew know what is going on - you know you got it wrong :o

Maybe get those who will interpret the rules along with those who's job it is to prevent unnecessarily dangerous situations from developing to design the virtual course markings, the signaling aboard the boats and write the 'rules of engagement'

And give me a commentator (and an umpire!) who have done their homework, over a 'fly-in' name/ego any day.

 

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^ No inside info sorry.....

I'm glad to see them doing something on the PR side at last, but wouldn't hold my breath for the effort needed to produce a documentary from within 'the team' atm.

 

This is more their speed

It has been a good week for Emirates Team New Zealand sailors. Another leg win for Brunel Sailing and #ETNZ 's Peter Burling & Carlo Huisman in the Volvo Ocean Race

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and from the YC....

 

RNZYS CALLS ON 150 YEAR LEGACY TO LEAD 2021 CELEBRATIONS

May 17 2018 Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron © Carlo Borlenghi

One of only seven ‘Royal Yacht Squadrons’ in the world, The Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron (RNZYS) will celebrate an illustrious history spanning 150 years in 2021. The year coincides with its hosting of the 36th America’s Cup regatta and a full year of on and off water events planned.

Formed in 1871, The Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron's sesquicentenary marks a legacy of world-class performance that is globally unrivalled in sailing history. As the proud winner of all of the major International yachting trophies, including winning and successfully defending sailing's most coveted prize, the America's Cup.  The RNZYS has a heritage that the whole of New Zealand can be very proud of and are invited to take part in during 2021.

...........

etc    http://emirates-team-new-zealand.americascup.com/en/preview-news/278_RNZYS-CALLS-ON-150-YEAR-LEGACY-TO-LEAD-2021-CELEBRATIONS.html

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Has Team NZ set up a competitor forum up yet?

I guess it is a bit early yet but after the dead line will it?

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9 hours ago, Kiwing said:

Has Team NZ set up a competitor forum up yet?

I guess it is a bit early yet but after the dead line will it?

It's not up the the RNZYS to organize the challengers by seting up a forum for the CoR and its competitors. CVS could establish one, if interested. But after last AC's CoR/"Competitor Forum" debacle, I doubt that this will happen.

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Team New Zealand are building their own boats for the first time

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/104391468/Team-New-Zealand-are-building-their-own-boats-for-the-first-time

A number of facts here that have not previously been seen on SA ..

A concept drawing of the foiling monohull to compete in the next America's Cup.

This story was originally published on Newsroom.co.nz. It is republished with permission.

For the first time in the syndicate's history, Emirates Team New Zealand will build their own America's Cup yachts.

The Cup defenders have decided to build the hulls of their two AC75 foiling monohulls in-house for the 2021 Cup regatta on the Hauraki Gulf, after more than two decades of having their race yachts constructed at Auckland boatyards, Newsroom can reveal.

For the first time in the syndicate's history, Emirates Team New Zealand will build their own America's Cup yachts.

The Cup defenders have decided to build the hulls of their two AC75 foiling monohulls in-house for the 2021 Cup regatta on the Hauraki Gulf, after more than two decades of having their race yachts constructed at Auckland boatyards, Newsroom can reveal.

Team NZ will defend the America's Cup in 2021.

"We just believe that having in-house control over the build will give us the ability to do a really nice job.

"And it will also give us the manpower that if we want to do something quickly, we don't have to wait for a commercial yard to fit us in. We can change the plan overnight and just do it. It's hard doing that in a commercial yard."

Team NZ are in the process of finding a yard on Auckland's North Shore to build their boats.

In 1995, the victorious Black Magic sisters were built at McMullin and Wing in Mt Wellington. Between 2000 and 2013, all eight of Team NZ's boats came out of the Cookson Boats yard in Glenfield. 

Last year's winning AC50, Aotearoa New Zealand, was borne out of the huge Southern Spars facility in Avondale. It was the first time the world-renowned spar-makers had constructed a boat - a job that took more than 30,000 man hours.

The Cookson team also worked on the last boat, but since then, the once-thriving yard run by the Cookson family has closed its doors. For years, managing director Mick Cookson said the work with Team NZ kept them in business.

"We had a great relationship with Mick Cookson," Shoebridge says. "But with him not being there, it's hard to find that [relationship] again."

A number of key people from Cookson Boats have now been employed by Team NZ for their 25-strong boatbuilding team. Among them is Geoff Senior, who's taken on the role of Team NZ's construction manager.

"These guys have been part of our team before. When the heat came on in Bermuda in the last two months, and we needed people urgently, they flew over and helped us," says Shoebridge. "They definitely have the know-how and the smarts to do the job well."

Team NZ also want to give an opportunity to some young people without boatbuilding experience, and train them in the field.  

That team of 25 boatbuilders will be in addition to the 95 people Team NZ will employ to work out of their new base in the Viaduct Events Centre. Team NZ will begin moving in this September.

Sean Regan, who made headlines as Team NZ's shore crew co-ordinator overseeing repairs to Aotearoa after it pitch-poled in Bermuda, will run the boatbuilding programme.

Team NZ have always prided themselves on boosting the local marine sector during their America's Cup campaigns. Shoebridge says that won't change in the lead up to 2021, with the team still "leaning heavily" on the New Zealand boating industry for many of the boats' components.

"A lot of the companies we used last time we will use again," he says.

That includes Southern Spars, who will build the masts for both boats. Southern Spars and North Sails have already been working on developing a "D" shaped spar with a soft wing for the new class of America's Cup yacht.

The mast is a one-design component in the AC50, and Shoebridge hopes other America's Cup teams will employ Southern Spars to build their spars.

In the last Cup campaign, Team NZ had their own facility to make the catamaran's dagger-boards, at Jackson Electrical in Onehunga. "We had our own little in-house group of 10 guys who built all of our dagger-boards. A lot of people didn't know about that," Shoebridge says.

Core Builder Composites, the Warkworth-based company owned by Larry Ellison's Oracle Racing, made hardware for all of the teams in the last America's Cup, including the Kiwis. Shoebridge says Team NZ hopes to involve Core Builders in this edition as well.

Under the 2021 Cup protocol, each team must laminate the hulls of their two race boats in their own country. All other components can be manufactured anywhere in the world.

Some of the parts, though, will be supplied to all teams in a cost-cutting move by Team NZ and the Challenger of Record, Luna Rossa. The foil arms, for example, are all being built identically at the Persico boatyard in Italy, to be supplied directly to the teams.

Team NZ are also making the cant system - the brain of the boat's electronic and hydraulic system. "We are designing, building and supplying that to all of the teams. There are components for the cant system coming in from all over the world, but we will put them all together for every team," Shoebridge says.

"It's a really complicated system, and if all the teams were doing their own, it would be an unnecessary expense.

"It means teams can get away with having fewer designers. There's still enough scope and design flexibility in the rule that they can gain advantage through other areas. Everyone is on the same page with that."

 

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On 5/29/2018 at 10:13 PM, nav said:

Hope they can clarify the rules this time, 'cause if neither the general public, sailors, the commentators nor the crew know what is going on - you know you got it wrong :o

Maybe get those who will interpret the rules along with those who's job it is to prevent unnecessarily dangerous situations from developing to design the virtual course markings, the signaling aboard the boats and write the 'rules of engagement'

The 'virtual diamond' is gonna be real hard to make clear for sailors let alone general public.

 

Big fail in last AC with umpiring/commentary was they only got comment on why a boat was penalised, never for why there was a green flag.

Umpires explaining the green flags as well would have helped out a lot.

 

Well that & the ongoing babytalk for new viewers crap 'oh they tacked, hey multiple AC & Olympic medal expert, explain tacking for the folks' :angry:

Rant On

Commentators in any other sporting event don't do that, especially not in the pinnacle event. (except in case of recent rule change/rare corner case)

Please for fuck sake whoever is doing the commentary this time don't fucking do that, bBe the experts you are, expect the audience to know what you're talking about or will be able to fucking use google or ask a friend if they don't know what a term is.

 

When you baby talk you piss off the core audience: people who actually know how to sail.

Rant Off

 

I like these 'best moments' vids :)

A reminder of how amazingly smooth these things were sailed even by the bottom teams.

 

4 hours ago, Terry Hollis said:

A number of facts here that have not previously been seen on SA ..

Yes very interesting thank you.

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10 hours ago, Terry Hollis said:

Team New Zealand are building their own boats for the first time

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/104391468/Team-New-Zealand-are-building-their-own-boats-for-the-first-time

A number of facts here that have not previously been seen on SA ..

A concept drawing of the foiling monohull to compete in the next America's Cup.

This story was originally published on Newsroom.co.nz. It is republished with permission.

For the first time in the syndicate's history, Emirates Team New Zealand will build their own America's Cup yachts.

The Cup defenders have decided to build the hulls of their two AC75 foiling monohulls in-house for the 2021 Cup regatta on the Hauraki Gulf, after more than two decades of having their race yachts constructed at Auckland boatyards, Newsroom can reveal.

Thanks Terry.  Fantastic news, and yet another scoop from Suzanne McFadden at Newsroom.  

The two media powerhouses in NZ were caught flatfooted by this news.  Stuff, aka Fairfax, were forced to pick it up from the new kids on the block, while the NZ Herald, the country's prize-winning news site was still mute nearly a full day later.

This is another chapter in the growth and continuing maturity of  ETNZ.

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Interesting from ^ 

The foil arms, for example, are all being built identically at the Persico boatyard in Italy, to be supplied directly to the teams.

Team NZ are also making the cant system - the brain of the boat’s electronic and hydraulic system. “We are designing, building and supplying that to all of the teams. There are components for the cant system coming in from all over the world, but we will put them all together for every team,” Shoebridge says.

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14 hours ago, KiwiJoker said:

Thanks Terry.  Fantastic news, and yet another scoop from Suzanne McFadden at Newsroom.  

The two media powerhouses in NZ were caught flatfooted by this news.  Stuff, aka Fairfax, were forced to pick it up from the new kids on the block, while the NZ Herald, the country's prize-winning news site was still mute nearly a full day later.

This is another chapter in the growth and continuing maturity of  ETNZ.

Stuff and NZHerald are shithouses these days - they are not genuine news organisations anymore...

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^ I stopped reading that violence and infomercials a while ago.  Try "Future Crunch" .

@barfy sailing flying saucers  !!     He has it right !!

 

 

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32 minutes ago, rh2600 said:

Stuff and NZHerald are shithouses these days - they are not genuine news organisations anymore...

I share your disgust.  The unrelenting mining of evermore disgusting clickbait headlines and stories is stomach-turning.  And yet the long-form journalism at both franchises is the one redeeming factor..

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Another good read from Newsroom. I hope this is not a double-up.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/@sportsroom/2018/06/04/112965/in-defence-of-the-2021-americas-cup

 

One year on: inside Team NZ’s America’s Cup defence.
It's almost a year since Emirates Team New Zealand brought the Auld Mug home. Suzanne McFadden talks to operations chief Kevin Shoebridge about Team NZ's plans to defend it in 2021 in Auckland ....

 

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6 minutes ago, Sea Breeze 74 said:

Another good read from Newsroom. I hope this is not a double-up.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/@sportsroom/2018/06/04/112965/in-defence-of-the-2021-americas-cup

One year on: inside Team NZ’s America’s Cup defence.
It's almost a year since Emirates Team New Zealand brought the Auld Mug home. Suzanne McFadden talks to operations chief Kevin Shoebridge about Team NZ's plans to defend it in 2021 in Auckland ....

Congrats!  You're the first with the latest.  Lots to take aboard here.  Example:

"The challengers

"Three challengers have already made it public they will line up on the Hauraki Gulf in January 2021. 

"Italians Luna Rossa, the Challenger of Record, have two decades of experience behind them; American Magic have the unrivalled Cup history of the New York Yacht Club  and INEOS Team UK, Sir Ben Ainslie’s British challenge, have a whopping $217 million.

"Another four or five potential syndicates have contacted Team NZ in the past six months. Three have been in constant communication, Shoebridge says, with one from left-field."

 

 

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On 5/30/2018 at 7:48 AM, nav said:

and from the YC....

 

RNZYS CALLS ON 150 YEAR LEGACY TO LEAD 2021 CELEBRATIONS

May 17 2018 Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron © Carlo Borlenghi

One of only seven ‘Royal Yacht Squadrons’ in the world, The Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron (RNZYS) will celebrate an illustrious history spanning 150 years in 2021. The year coincides with its hosting of the 36th America’s Cup regatta and a full year of on and off water events planned.

Formed in 1871, The Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron's sesquicentenary marks a legacy of world-class performance that is globally unrivalled in sailing history. As the proud winner of all of the major International yachting trophies, including winning and successfully defending sailing's most coveted prize, the America's Cup.  The RNZYS has a heritage that the whole of New Zealand can be very proud of and are invited to take part in during 2021.

...........

etc    http://emirates-team-new-zealand.americascup.com/en/preview-news/278_RNZYS-CALLS-ON-150-YEAR-LEGACY-TO-LEAD-2021-CELEBRATIONS.html

Yeah but their bar prices suck, even for scummy members who dont wear blazers and monocles

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12 hours ago, Sea Breeze 74 said:

Another good read from Newsroom. I hope this is not a double-up.

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/@sportsroom/2018/06/04/112965/in-defence-of-the-2021-americas-cup

 

One year on: inside Team NZ’s America’s Cup defence.
It's almost a year since Emirates Team New Zealand brought the Auld Mug home. Suzanne McFadden talks to operations chief Kevin Shoebridge about Team NZ's plans to defend it in 2021 in Auckland ....

 

Be like Russ....

Dalton will oversee both ACE and Team NZ through this Cup term.”

 

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13 hours ago, Stingray~ said:

Be like Russ....

Dalton will oversee both ACE and Team NZ through this Cup term.”

 

That way he can pay himself out of two sponsor pools

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