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13 hours ago, Priscilla said:

Thank you for pointing out that of which we already know. That made you feel really important there for a moment.

 

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7 hours ago, Sea420 said:

Thank you for pointing out that of which we already know. That made you feel really important there for a moment.

Sniping and bitching aside, this is a piece of bloody good news for Orams and the marine scene in New Zealand. A major benefit to all big boats visiting Auckland for the AC and an ongoing haul-out and service legacy for vessels to 800 tons.  Now that's progress. 

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On 2/24/2019 at 4:12 PM, KiwiJoker said:

Sniping and bitching aside, this is a piece of bloody good news for Orams and the marine scene in New Zealand. A major benefit to all big boats visiting Auckland for the AC and an ongoing haul-out and service legacy for vessels to 800 tons.  Now that's progress. 

I agree. That whole side of Beaumont Street is under threat of non-marine/commercial activities. The unwashed vegans in comfortable shoes with their brow beaten boyfriends wearing fair-trade moccasins made from sustainable flax and recycled tyres in tow, want to return the area into its natural habitat replete with native worms and periwinkles. The greedy developers want to erect multi-story leasehold apartments to double their money while the brainwashed halve theirs paying it all off.

We do need to service the super, mega and giga yachts as much as we do our old Wright 28 with its aging rig and mud-cracked waterline.

Keeping Auckland a boating city and maintaining and enabling the continued realisation of the dream for the ordinary to afford a little boat for the family to enjoy should be everyone's priority. 

Bitching aside, there's no other option. 

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The Viaduct Harbour has stopped use of the public berths, (temporary ones for boarding and dropping off passengers). THIS was a condition of their resource concent and now the contractor's work boats are occupying these berths. 

Clearly, the contractors don't want to pay VH for a proper berth. 

Greed, for want of a better word, is good. THIS though, is really shit.

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Defender and Challenger Of Record progress AC36 planning

5th  March 2019 

The plans for the 36th America's Cup presented by Prada are progressing, with clearer guidelines now set for the future. 

Following on from meetings held in Auckland last week between the Defender and Challenger of Record, an agreement has been reached to resolve a series of issues in the best interest of the event. 

Patrizio Bertelli, CEO of the Prada Group and Chairman of the Challenger of Record met with the Defender, Emirates Team New Zealand, in Auckland and an agreement was reached to resolve a number of pending issues, some of which were already before the Arbitration Panel. 

Together they have agreed all current outstanding issues including a mutually agreed settlement to the America’s Cup Arbitration case filed on the 12th of February 2019 regarding the dispute on the validity of late entries. Under the settlement agreement an amendment to the Protocol allowing the deferred payment of the late entry fee has been agreed and the validity of the three late entry challenges accepted. 

The settlement therefore clears the way for the Defender and Challenger of Record to continue to work progressively on planning the 36th America’s Cup presented by Prada as well as all associated events between now and the end of the event in March 2021.

“We welcomed Mr. Bertelli and his team to Auckland and appreciated his positive engagement to the event. We share an overarching desire for this event in 2021, as well as all lead up events, to be remembered as the best America’s Cup ever,” said Emirates Team New Zealand CEO, Grant Dalton.

“It is no secret there have been some outstanding issues that needed to be resolved, but the fact that Mr. Bertelli took the time to personally come down to Auckland is testament of the mutual respect between us, which bodes well for the event in general. The path is therefore now clear for the late entries to continue building their respective campaigns to try to participate and the Defender and Challenger of Record will give whatever support they can.”

Mr Bertelli and Grant Dalton also met with the Hon David Parker and Mayor of Auckland, Phil Goff to discuss the plans for the event and presented Mr. Bertelli’s vision for the America’s Cup village which were well received, details of which will be released in due course.

“It was an honour and a pleasure to meet the Hon David Parker MP and Mayor Goff, to share the Challenger of Record’s vision for the Event Village of 36th America's Cup. This time spent in Auckland was very important for me to understand how to best integrate our event with the New Zealand culture and with its unique waterfront. It sends a strong signal of friendship and cooperation for the months to come,” said Patrizio Bertelli.

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"Historically, when you look back on who has won any America's Cup, it is often decisions that have been made two years to 18 months previous that are the key to what your performance will be at the end when it matters," Team New Zealand chief operating officer Kevin Shoebridge said.

"A lot of the philosophy and direction that you take is often taken quite early. So, decisions we are making today, decisions we have just made with the design of the first boat could be critical to the outcome of the America's Cup. So, there is no slow ramping up to the big decisions coming later on. The big decisions are now."

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12210255

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It may not be the last delay as they understand the instabilities of the new boat design.  There may even be large design changes needed to make the boats safe.  No info, just a gut feeling.

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So if NZ gets 2 and Cagliari gets 1, who gets the 4th ACWS regatta?

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1 hour ago, Herfy said:

It may not be the last delay as they understand the instabilities of the new boat design.  There may even be large design changes needed to make the boats safe.  No info, just a gut feeling.

If there was significant "large" design changes, they would have worked them out already.

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13 hours ago, Forourselves said:

If there was significant "large" design changes, they would have worked them out already.

Have you read the details about the American Magic Mule testing.  It looks like it is nice and stable when it is up and foiling (they haven't accomplished any foiling tacks or jibs yet), but it is very tippy and unstable when it has the hull in the water.  It also isn't self righting like the design claimed.

from Xlot in the NYYC/AM thread (very good read with the most details yet):

https://www.sail-world.com/news/215250/Am-Cup-American-Magic-tests-the-limits--Part-2

What happens when the Mule capsizes?

“You call in the chase boats”, says Hutchinson. “Everyone has a good chuckle. You hook up to a bow tow and a side tow - much as you did with the catamarans – and you just give them a good pull and up she comes.”

“I suspect that if you didn't have the mainsail up that the Mule would be self-righting. It is hard to see it being able to self-recover with the water weight. The water weight inside the mainsail alone makes it pretty tough for the boat to come upright.”

“Good or bad we're getting practice at it,” he laughs. 

“It's only happened a couple of times. First time was while sailing, and then the next time was just getting off the tow at down-speed. 

“One time was getting stuck in irons when you have zero steerage and getting hit by a puff and blown over.

“If it is shifty and puffy and you get at the wrong angle when you are going too slow, there’s not really a lot you can do to stop it happening.

Hutchinson says they do get lift from the leeward foil wing almost as soon as the Mule starts moving. 

“But the other trick is not to take the windward foil out of the water too quickly so you don't roll over to windward. Once you are going at six or seven knots and Dean gets steerage it's a lot easier to sail.”

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1 hour ago, Herfy said:

It also isn't self righting like the design claimed.

Also not built to the rule so perhaps not as much ballast. And hutch says it probably would self right with the main down.

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3 hours ago, barfy said:

Also not built to the rule so perhaps not as much ballast. And hutch says it probably would self right with the main down.

Ok, so how are you going to bring down the main on a capsized boat?  Do you really think the full sized boats are going to be significantly more stable?  There will be some hull changes that may be different than the Mule, but not enough to stop it from being a narrow rubber ducky with a sail.

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IIRC the AC75 has 1.5 tons ballast on a 7 ton displacement ie ballast ratio of 21% - no surprise the will be extremely tippy

(I believe it is safe to assume the Mule has proportionally similar weight distribution)

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1 hour ago, Herfy said:

Ok, so how are you going to bring down the main on a capsized boat?  Do you really think the full sized boats are going to be significantly more stable?  There will be some hull changes that may be different than the Mule, but not enough to stop it from being a narrow rubber ducky with a sail.

It's possible to design a hull shape that stops it self righting, but this will fail at measurement time as it's a requirement that it can self right and it will be tested.

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11 hours ago, Herfy said:

Have you read the details about the American Magic Mule testing.  It looks like it is nice and stable when it is up and foiling (they haven't accomplished any foiling tacks or jibs yet), but it is very tippy and unstable when it has the hull in the water.  It also isn't self righting like the design claimed.

Wouldn’t it be AWESOME if they failed to make the boat self righting.  It would just show that they are shit designers and that both ETNZ and Prada should be stripped of the America’s Cup for bringing the sport into disrepute.

Imagine setting the bar higher than could ACTUALLY be achieved. I won’t even care if we have a fleet of 75 foot monohulls with twin skin sails foiling at 40+ knots in various venues around the world if they can’t get something as simple as that right.  What a bunch of fucking idiots. 

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9 minutes ago, Ex-yachtie said:

Wouldn’t it be AWESOME if they failed to make the boat self righting.  It would just show that they are shit designers and that both ETNZ and Prada should be stripped of the America’s Cup for bringing the sport into disrepute.

Imagine setting the bar higher than could ACTUALLY be achieved. I won’t even care if we have a fleet of 75 foot monohulls with twin skin sails foiling at 40+ knots in various venues around the world if they can’t get something as simple as that right.  What a bunch of fucking idiots. 

What's the big deal?  The AC50's and the AC72's were not self righting either but all AC boats have had tenders ( junior tugs ) since forever so self righting is not critical.

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^^ true that.cats have been known to be difficult to self right, you fucking idiot. Remember any multihulls in the AC?

Take your meds and re read your blurb ole fella.

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10 hours ago, Terry Hollis said:

What's the big deal?  The AC50's and the AC72's were not self righting either but all AC boats have had tenders ( junior tugs ) since forever so self righting is not critical.

The point is the the great design simulations predicted it to be self-righting.  What the Mule has found is that the weight of the water and such in the sail requires a tender to pull it over to right it. They think the hull by itself may be self righting, but not with the sail up which is how it will be when it capsizes.  It isn't the end of the world, but just some insight on the risk of relying too much on the computer simulations (you may not consider all of the variables).  The other interesting titbit is how tippy the boat it when it is not moving (stuck in the irons), a gust of wind will easily flip it over (probably why the UK had outriggers on their test boat).

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57 minutes ago, Herfy said:

  It isn't the end of the world, but just some insight on the risk of relying too much on the computer simulations (you may not consider all of the variables). 

Agreed that the selected variables are always key to (or the Achilles heel of) any and every simulation. 

Do we know an AC75 won't self-right with the sail?  Do we know they left off the sail in simulations?  Those test boats are not perfect mini-me boats.

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1 hour ago, Herfy said:

The point is the the great design simulations predicted it to be self-righting.  What the Mule has found is that the weight of the water and such in the sail requires a tender to pull it over to right it. They think the hull by itself may be self righting, but not with the sail up which is how it will be when it capsizes.  It isn't the end of the world, but just some insight on the risk of relying too much on the computer simulations (you may not consider all of the variables).  The other interesting titbit is how tippy the boat it when it is not moving (stuck in the irons), a gust of wind will easily flip it over (probably why the UK had outriggers on their test boat).

These are not AC75s... And they are not simply scaled down AC75s either.

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1 hour ago, Herfy said:

The point is the the great design simulations predicted it to be self-righting.  What the Mule has found is that the weight of the water and such in the sail requires a tender to pull it over to right it. They think the hull by itself may be self righting, but not with the sail up which is how it will be when it capsizes.  It isn't the end of the world, but just some insight on the risk of relying too much on the computer simulations (you may not consider all of the variables).  The other interesting titbit is how tippy the boat it when it is not moving (stuck in the irons), a gust of wind will easily flip it over (probably why the UK had outriggers on their test boat).

Do you REALLY think they built a simulator to predict self-righting?

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I confess to being confused. Why do you need a simulator to determine whether a boat will be self-righting? Isn't that just a straightforward stability calculation, like they teach in NA 101?

Cheers,

Earl

 

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17 hours ago, Terry Hollis said:

What's the big deal?  The AC50's and the AC72's were not self righting either but all AC boats have had tenders ( junior tugs ) since forever so self righting is not critical.

The big deal is we would be hearing a lot of nasal whine out of the Kiwi contingent if this was Oracle having such delays. We would even be hearing that they were doing this on purpose to gain an advantage. So far "It's no big deal. Move along."

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17 hours ago, Terry Hollis said:

 The AC50's and the AC72's were not self righting either but all AC boats have had tenders ( junior tugs ) since forever so self righting is not critical.

You can't compare, cats are difficult to capsize and difficult to recover, the AC75 seems easy to capsize in displacement mode and as difficult as cats to recover.

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4 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

You can't compare, cats are difficult to capsize and difficult to recover, the AC75 seems easy to capsize in displacement mode and as difficult as cats to recover.

Where do you get that insight from?

Consider a need to re-frame your position.

Re-righting an AC50 compared to re-righting an AC72 were in orders of magnitude different. 

In plain terms - they got the process of re-righting an AC50 down pat - no biggie - move on after a systems check and replacement of a few fairing panels or wing skins.......

An AC72 - well not so much - never happened - nothing left to recover - please rebuild at great expense both in money and time.

So which type are you referring to? 

Furthermore, at the moment there is only extrapolation of experience from 2 mules - both of which have capsized - both of which have survived and proven (relatively) straightforward to recover and put back into service. The AC75 will, most likely, be a major handful, but no one actually knows. 

So until we see a real AC75 do its thing - everything here is nothing more than speculation and this whole forum becomes individuals displaying their true colours about which team, country, boat type or century they support or live in.

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2 hours ago, Boink said:

Where do you get that insight from?

Consider a need to re-frame your position.

Re-righting an AC50 compared to re-righting an AC72 were in orders of magnitude different. 

In plain terms - they got the process of re-righting an AC50 down pat - no biggie - move on after a systems check and replacement of a few fairing panels or wing skins.......

An AC72 - well not so much - never happened - nothing left to recover - please rebuild at great expense both in money and time.

So which type are you referring to? 

Furthermore, at the moment there is only extrapolation of experience from 2 mules - both of which have capsized - both of which have survived and proven (relatively) straightforward to recover and put back into service. The AC75 will, most likely, be a major handful, but no one actually knows. 

So until we see a real AC75 do its thing - everything here is nothing more than speculation and this whole forum becomes individuals displaying their true colours about which team, country, boat type or century they support or live in.

TH:
“You just have to be very mindful that the rudder elevator cannot come out of the water. It's no more complicated than that. If the elevator breeches, it is all over Rover. She'll just go

The foiling monohull is also prone to the occasional nosedive. “It is pretty much like the TP52 or Maxi 72”,

What happens when the Mule capsizes?

“You call in the chase boats”, says Hutchinson. “Everyone has a good chuckle. You hook up to a bow tow and a side tow - much as you did with the catamarans – and you just give them a good pull and up she comes.”

“It's only happened a couple of times. First time was while sailing, and then the next time was just getting off the tow at down-speed.

“One time was getting stuck in irons when you have zero steerage and getting hit by a puff and blown over.

“If it is shifty and puffy and you get at the wrong angle when you are going too slow, there’s not really a lot you can do to stop it happening.

 

Basically, when it does not foil it is like sailing a laser with a Tornado sail.

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7 hours ago, pusslicker said:

The big deal is we would be hearing a lot of nasal whine out of the Kiwi contingent if this was Oracle having such delays. We would even be hearing that they were doing this on purpose to gain an advantage. So far "It's no big deal. Move along."

Because Oracle were a pack of wankers who tried to stop every team who were perceived as a threat. But they are dead and buried so yes, move along.

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13 hours ago, Herfy said:

The point is the the great design simulations predicted it to be self-righting.  What the Mule has found is that the weight of the water and such in the sail requires a tender to pull it over to right it. They think the hull by itself may be self righting, but not with the sail up which is how it will be when it capsizes.  It isn't the end of the world, but just some insight on the risk of relying too much on the computer simulations (you may not consider all of the variables).  The other interesting titbit is how tippy the boat it when it is not moving (stuck in the irons), a gust of wind will easily flip it over (probably why the UK had outriggers on their test boat).

Blah blah blah, the mule is not an AC75.

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Truly Muppet ville on the capsize gate.

Haven't seen the new hull, no idea if the surrogates have the same ballast, arms, ability to drop arms once knocked down, no idea of righting moment. FFS, talk about conjecture.

But yur talking like the new boat has fallen over and turned turtle already.

 

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11 hours ago, barfy said:

Truly Muppet ville on the capsize gate.

Haven't seen the new hull, no idea if the surrogates have the same ballast, arms, ability to drop arms once knocked down, no idea of righting moment. FFS, talk about conjecture.

But yur talking like the new boat has fallen over and turned turtle already.

 

Did you read the article?  It is real world experience.  

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Hmmmm, I like that...

 

"Team NZ open to women trialling for crew to defend America's Cup

Duncan Johnstone15:04, Mar 10 2019

Team New Zealand are open to having women on their sailing crew for the defence of the America's Cup.

The only requirement is they must be the best person for the job.

Their stance comes as new Cup syndicates DutchSail and Stars & Stripes Team USA take bold steps down the equality path."

more:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/111133835/team-nz-open-to-women-trialling-for-crew-to-defend-americas-cup?fbclid=IwAR1muhk__Xvvq-OrWZfYjnwjxQJ-qyUh8RMmcetUL8-COz06d4kDbsr9ag0
 

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Says ETNZ already signed up 8, currently trialling GRINDERS.  Uh huh. 

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3 hours ago, Herfy said:

Did you read the article?  It is real world experience.  

It's not even close to a 75. Wait until one of the big boats fall over before screaming " idiots" , "failure", ect.

Ya,I read it.and comprehended it.

Don't ventilate the rudder....like that is surprising given last cycle. Boat would probably come up but the main holds too much water; probably need to address that.

Boat feels much safer, already goes to weather better than the AC 50, pops right out of a nose dive.

Did I miss something champ?

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16 hours ago, Rennmaus said:

Hmmmm, I like that...

 

"Team NZ open to women trialling for crew to defend America's Cup

Duncan Johnstone15:04, Mar 10 2019

Team New Zealand are open to having women on their sailing crew for the defence of the America's Cup.

The only requirement is they must be the best person for the job.

Their stance comes as new Cup syndicates DutchSail and Stars & Stripes Team USA take bold steps down the equality path."

more:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/111133835/team-nz-open-to-women-trialling-for-crew-to-defend-americas-cup?fbclid=IwAR1muhk__Xvvq-OrWZfYjnwjxQJ-qyUh8RMmcetUL8-COz06d4kDbsr9ag0
 

Renn, here's a better take on the subject.  And what's more it came from Newsroom on 4 May, last year!

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/05/04/107170/kiwi-women-stepping-up-to-sail-in-the-cup

The America's Cup may have missed a trick when it comes to gender equality, reports Suzanne McFadden.

Olympic silver medallist Molly Meech would like a crack at the America’s Cup.

While her focus is sharply on stepping up to gold with her 49erFX skiff partner Alex Maloney at the 2020 Tokyo games, Meech wouldn’t dismiss the chance to crew on an AC75 yacht on Auckland's harbour.

“If there’s ever an opportunity to sail on a different boat, I always make sure I look at it,” says the 25-year-old, who won gold in the World Cup at Hyeres this week. “I’ve always tried out for the Youth America’s Cup crews.”

But a Kiwi woman has yet to break into a crew in the Youth America’s Cup, created as a pathway to professional sailing.

“Being quite tall and strong, I think I’m potentially able to do more roles on different boats. So I wouldn’t turn down an opportunity to sail in the America’s Cup.”

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21 hours ago, Rennmaus said:

Hmmmm, I like that...

 

"Team NZ open to women trialling for crew to defend America's Cup

 

That sounds creepy when you say it.

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Some action going on in Christchuch mosques. Jacinda:" It's New Zealand's darkest days".

Well, time to open the eyes at what it's going on in the world, it's not only in the US and Europe.

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Yes, here in NZ we have white rightwing assholes too.

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2 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Some action going on in Christchuch mosques. Jacinda:" It's New Zealand's darkest days".

Well, time to open the eyes at what it's going on in the world, it's not only in the US and Europe.

Wow, I can understand you thinking the dickheads like me on this forum are idiots, but do you really do have such a low opinion of an entire nation?

And you think this event is time to share it?

Shucks...

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3 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Some action going on in Christchuch mosques. Jacinda:" It's New Zealand's darkest days".

Well, time to open the eyes at what it's going on in the world, it's not only in the US and Europe.

You’re right.  Bigots are everywhere.  We can’t tolerate hate.  I hope we strip these particular assholes bare in the public eye, expose the things that led to their actions, break them down and destroy any chance of it happening again.

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6 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

ome action going on in Christchuch mosques. Jacinda:" It's New Zealand's darkest days".

Well, time to open the eyes at what it's going on in the world, it's not only in the US and Europe.

Poor form. Innocent people including children just got murdered and you're ... trying to score a points in a sailing forum?

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7 hours ago, rh2600 said:

Wow, I can understand you thinking the dickheads like me on this forum are idiots, but do you really do have such a low opinion of an entire nation?

And you think this event is time to share it?

Shucks...

You did not get the point, I was just trying to say that Jacinda should not think it's a NZ problem only, it is an international one.

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10 hours ago, rh2600 said:

Wow, I can understand you thinking the dickheads like me on this forum are idiots, but do you really do have such a low opinion of an entire nation?

And you think this event is time to share it?

Shucks...

Ah yes. Always an attack on your whole nation with you even if it is just a comment on the internet. 

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17 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

Some action going on in Christchuch mosques. Jacinda:" It's New Zealand's darkest days".

Well, time to open the eyes at what it's going on in the world, it's not only in the US and Europe.

As a nation we're well aware of what goes on in the rest of the world, there's a mindset amongst Kiwi's that means a massive percentage spend a significant period of their lives living and working in other parts of the world. We know we're fortunate to have not experienced terrorism in our home which makes yesterdays events all the harder to comprehend.

What we don't need is cheap shots from anonymous trolls .... Cunt

 

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8 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

You did not get the point, I was just trying to say that Jacinda should not think it's a NZ problem only, it is an international one.

You fucking cunt! 49 people lost their lives, women and children. We all know it happens around the world, it just has never happened here. For so long we've avoided something like this, while at the same time knowing some day it would happen. Jacinda was absolutely right when she said it is "One of NZ's darkest days" Other countries have had their 9/11. This is our 9/11. Have some fucking respect!

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1 hour ago, Forourselves said:

You fucking cunt! 49 people lost their lives, women and children. We all know it happens around the world, it just has never happened here. For so long we've avoided something like this, while at the same time knowing some day it would happen. Jacinda was absolutely right when she said it is "One of NZ's darkest days" Other countries have had their 9/11. This is our 9/11. Have some fucking respect!

good on you ... well spoken ... and yes that wanker is a cunt 

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12 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

You did not get the point, I was just trying to say that Jacinda should not think it's a NZ problem only, it is an international one.

You did not get the point yourself, Tornado-Cunt.

 

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Please no cheap shots or point scoring not on this subject.

I'm utterly hurt this has happened in my backyard.

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NZ already had its 9/11 on 10 July 1985.

And we failed to learn the lesson of that.

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Aramoana massacre, David Gray more likely !

Should not stir up these horrible memories?

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19 minutes ago, Enzedel92 said:

Where is NZ building Hull #1?

ETNZ have acquired a property on the North Shore of Auckland and are building it themselves.

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It's supposed to be quite a nice shop from all accounts....for etnz to grow their talent base to the point where they can build their own kit is great. It's all grist into the economy, and development of the skill pool. Core contributes as well. 

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30 minutes ago, barfy said:

It's supposed to be quite a nice shop from all accounts....for etnz to grow their talent base to the point where they can build their own kit is great. It's all grist into the economy, and development of the skill pool. Core contributes as well. 

It's a nice shop all right. Parking is shit though. The street name the building sits on is appropriate, lols. 

2 ovens big enough for hull and top sides, another smaller one for smaller bits. 

Good office area and place to sit and fill ya guts with a good kai. 

Like everything with Emirates Team New Zealand in AC36, everyone will be surprised at the resources and effort being put in to give the design, construction and sailing teams the best possible start. The boat building facility is no exception. 

Down at the VEC, the workshop is coming together too. This is an impressive space big enough for two AC75 boats to be parked inside! 

Believe me guys and girls, your cocks and cunts will be hard and juicy when you see what's in store. So,

Fuck you Larry, we're gonna do this right. 

 

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31 minutes ago, Priscilla said:

420 did you get your erudite potty mouth from your mother or father.

 

What makes you think I'm human? I'm part of all humanity, of you and everyone you ever and never will meet. You sir are a troll, a thread hijacker and therefore lower than rankest and most rotten of cunts. 

Keep reading the Readers Digest though you'll pick up a few fancy words every month.

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8 minutes ago, Priscilla said:

Crikey is that all you have got.

Spewing nonsensical idiocy is a very skilled art obviously grasshopper you have quite some way to go.

Ummmm... its TRG... love him or hate him, but he's no greenhorn...

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7 minutes ago, Priscilla said:

Crikey is that all you have got.

Spewing nonsensical idiocy is a very skilled art obviously grasshopper you have quite some way to go.

Do you have any AC discussion contributions to make here boy, or are you here to make yourself feel tough by abusing other peoples posts? 

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4 minutes ago, rh2600 said:

Ummmm... its TRG... love him or hate him, but he's no greenhorn...

As I recall, I been here quite a bit longer than Priscilla but, (including the two and a half year ban) hey we're all even around the cans right? 

Priscilla's all right. She just needs to flex her hate muscles now and then. Now, there's plenty of new news about so, let's put the rocks down and a start trying to figure this here mess out.

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