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^ Lucky. The video is great - the noise fantastic....

 

 

a few more shots

 

 

 

 

 

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Foils within the max beam limit under water ? ;)

The more I look at these craft I can not stop wondering why do they retain the hulls.

They are simply redundant.

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The batteries need to go somewhere. Or crew. However you'd like to think of them...

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The more I look at these craft I can not stop wondering why do they retain the hulls.

So they can go Archimedean in the light-wind venues that ACEA loves so much. Btw Bermuda in the summer = not necessarily windy.

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^ Lucky. The video is great - the noise fantastic....

 

 

a few more shots

 

 

 

 

 

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Foils within the max beam limit under water ? ;)

The more I look at these craft I can not stop wondering why do they retain the hulls.

They are simply redundant.

 

The first time they send it down the mine on a bear away you will understand...

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Ok ,I understand the down the mine thing.

Just humour me, take the hulls and the incurred weight and windage away completely .

Bang on another set of forward foils and viola it's time to rock &roll.

Wack on a collective integrated foil control system and fuck off you go.

Your poisoned chalice will overflow.

Rather quickly.

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Ok ,I understand the down the mine thing.

Just humour me, take the hulls and the incurred weight and windage away completely .

Bang on another set of forward foils and viola it's time to rock &roll.

Wack on a collective integrated foil control system and fuck off you go.

Your poisoned chalice will overflow.

Rather quickly.

I seem to recall an 18 foot skiff that had just enough flotation to get it going. The Structure that that the hull would normally cover was still there, just no hull. Didn't look pretty.

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Ok ,I understand the down the mine thing.

Just humour me, take the hulls and the incurred weight and windage away completely .

Bang on another set of forward foils and viola it's time to rock &roll.

Wack on a collective integrated foil control system and fuck off you go.

Your poisoned chalice will overflow.

Rather quickly.

I seem to recall an 18 foot skiff that had just enough flotation to get it going. The Structure that that the hull would normally cover was still there, just no hull. Didn't look pretty.

 

Do you meen this

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There is another aspect of it as well, the hull is actually a very slick, very strong structure in itself, you would probably find removing it and replacing it with an alternative structure actually makes windage worse and possibly even weight as well. You have to attach the rig and foils to something and it has to be pretty significant given the loads at work.

Take for example Mirabuad pictured above, can you image the windflow across that truss frame at 50 knots! not gonna be pretty!

 

and just for reference...

 

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^You could always stretch animal skins over that Mirabaud LX foiler.

 

Oh...wait.

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Ok ,I understand the down the mine thing.

Just humour me, take the hulls and the incurred weight and windage away completely .

Bang on another set of forward foils and viola it's time to rock &roll.

Wack on a collective integrated foil control system and fuck off you go.

Your poisoned chalice will overflow.

Rather quickly.

 

I seem to recall an 18 foot skiff that had just enough flotation to get it going. The Structure that that the hull would normally cover was still there, just no hull. Didn't look pretty.

Do you meen this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7ie5C1-b3w

Indeed. Thank you, sir.

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^ That's great, quite the difference! (\understatement)

 

Shame the hamsters could only make it as far as Takapuna though eh!

 

AC to the team that employs the best Tour de France team Doctor?

 

(Crabbing @ 0:42??)

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^ It certainly makes you appreciate the "slight" difference in speeds these foiling cats bring to the equation!

 

Maybe the next design evolution is a "personal hamster hydraulic system" developed by that newly appointed Tour de France team Dr? :ph34r:

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Stunning! Thanks-just incredible.....

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Yep some old boys still prefer the excitement of slowmo monos :lol:

 

The most stunning difference is with the trimaran who, with this kind of wind, is like a sitting duck.

 

The platform looks a bit (too?) flexible, but it might be an effect of the video cam stabilizer.

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Everything is dead slow compared to that thing. I hadn't even noticed the tri until you mentioned it! How much wind do you think? 10-12?

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Yep some old boys still prefer the excitement of slowmo monos :lol:

 

The most stunning difference is with the trimaran who, with this kind of wind, is like a sitting duck.

 

The platform looks a bit (too?) flexible, but it might be an effect of the video cam stabilizer.

 

 

What? Have they given up on agricultural tractor grade?

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I would say the wind was less than 10 kts within the arbour and around 16 kts outside. To be fair, the trimaran was lacking wind at the beginning and accelerates at 0:26. In tougher conditions the bigger trimaran would probably pass the foiler, as we have seen around Wight Island.

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Start of the coastal race, quite spectacular to see their speed in comparison to the other boats. Sorry if this has been posted before.

 

 

 

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The wind was 15 - 20 knots at the start of the race. We were just past north head when they screamed past.

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What is good in the vid is that they kind of recreate (or included) the scream made by the boat.

 

And I thought that was an A380 trying to keep up, while taking the video.

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Is it tome to start thinking that etnz have a slim chance here? For so long now i have been thinking that they are no chance this cycle...and potentially never. 15 - 20 knots in a habour full of boats and chop, they looked remarkably smooth.

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^ They do look smooth. Is flat our boatspeed going to be that real determining factor? I think the teams will all have a pretty close speeds and it's really going to come down to how can do maneuvers the fastest. Obviously great straight line speed is a big advantage, but at the speeds these boats go I think any difference in speed over the length of the course can be erased with a bad boat handling issue (i.e. falling off the foils).

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What is good in the vid is that they kind of recreate (or included) the scream made by the boat.

 

That scream is hauntingly awesome

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Experts everywhere and yet not one mentions the incredible yaw angle in the last few shots. If the apparent wind gets too far forward, just turn the platform and retrim...

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I'm as far from being an expert as there could be.....i enjoy sailing and am an ETNZ fan...I'll leave all the expert analysis up to others.

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Experts everywhere and yet not one mentions the incredible yaw angle in the last few shots. If the apparent wind gets too far forward, just turn the platform and retrim...

Had noticed that, and didn't know how to interpret it - it's in the opposite direction of leeway (coupling), right? Don't know how they could achieve what you posit i.e. turning the platform, without a major variation of the board vertical AoA (via differential movement of the cant rams). A totally new factor, in any case

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Experts everywhere and yet not one mentions the incredible yaw angle in the last few shots. If the apparent wind gets too far forward, just turn the platform and retrim...

Had noticed that, and didn't know how to interpret it - it's in the opposite direction of leeway (coupling), right? Don't know how they could achieve what you posit i.e. turning the platform, without a major variation of the board vertical AoA (via differential movement of the cant rams). A totally new factor, in any case

Yeah, I can't sort out the mechanics in my head either, but if they have managed to 'uncouple' leeway from heading then it could be a game changer - certainly haven't seen any other footage of the other T boats achieving the same thing.

Still also trying to figure out if the hulls would present a worse or better drag profile if they have indeed achieved it.

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if they have managed to 'uncouple' leeway from heading then it could be a game changer - certainly haven't seen any other footage of the other T boats achieving the same thing.

 

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Experts everywhere and yet not one mentions the incredible yaw angle in the last few shots. If the apparent wind gets too far forward, just turn the platform and retrim...

 

Actually I think you'll find that I highlighted it in the first post after the video went up.

 

But when it wasn't picked up by anyone else I decided not to mention it a second time - leave ETNZ with their sweet little 'October surprise' :)

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Experts everywhere and yet not one mentions the incredible yaw angle in the last few shots. If the apparent wind gets too far forward, just turn the platform and retrim...

Actually I think you'll find that I highlighted it in the first post after the video went up.

 

But when it wasn't picked up by anyone else I decided not to mention it a second time - leave ETNZ with their sweet little 'October surprise' :)

I remember. We all had "crab" for dinner that night 😃

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Experts everywhere and yet not one mentions the incredible yaw angle in the last few shots. If the apparent wind gets too far forward, just turn the platform and retrim...

Had noticed that, and didn't know how to interpret it - it's in the opposite direction of leeway (coupling), right? Don't know how they could achieve what you posit i.e. turning the platform, without a major variation of the board vertical AoA (via differential movement of the cant rams). A totally new factor, in any case
Yeah, I can't sort out the mechanics in my head either, but if they have managed to 'uncouple' leeway from heading then it could be a game changer - certainly haven't seen any other footage of the other T boats achieving the same thing.

Still also trying to figure out if the hulls would present a worse or better drag profile if they have indeed achieved it.

Well the hulls will definitely have higher aero drag in this configuration,so that is not the reason. It would be like a i14 when it gybes the board,right?

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It's against the rules to rotate the board about a vertical axis-as would happen with a "gybing" board.

 

 

11.10 A daggerboard shall only:
(a) be retracted or extended; and
b rotate around no more than two axes (or combination of the two axes) whose limits shall
be determined as follows:
(i) The maximum rotation about the cant axis shall be 15 degrees with the rake axis
rotation set to appendage measurement condition; and
(ii) The maximum rotation about the rake axis shall be 12 degrees and the rake axis
shall be within 15 degrees of horizontal with the daggerboard set to appendage
measurement condition.
11.11 Daggerboard components shall be rigidly fixed to each other and the daggerboard shape
shall not be adjusted while racing.

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Thanks for the info.

I'm just speculating, and I'm no tech guy, but could it be simply that the vertical sections of the mainfoil are not parallel to the hull lines, so that that when the board drift to leeward the boat does not drift at all?

And if the angle was designed to make the boat go straight upwind, than it would probably even drift upwind when going downwind. Or am I insane?

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^ They do look smooth. Is flat our boatspeed going to be that real determining factor? I think the teams will all have a pretty close speeds and it's really going to come down to how can do maneuvers the fastest. Obviously great straight line speed is a big advantage, but at the speeds these boats go I think any difference in speed over the length of the course can be erased with a bad boat handling issue (i.e. falling off the foils).

From memory this was speculated last time with the 72s.

Turned out by mid final series everyone got the hang of roll tacking and foiling gybes which took about the same time and what finally determined the cup was flat out speed, especially Oracles foiling fast mode upwind.

 

If all the teams can now regularly do foiling tacks, and foil upwind, it will be back to flat out speed again, perhaps just in one particular mode.

 

Interesting that the tips of the foils (on ETNZ and OR) are now pointing down.

Figured some other less dragging means of lift control?

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They cant the bottom of the foil out at the bottom to increase RM but that means the crew has got to grind all the time to keep up the hydraulic pressure required to constantly adjust the main foil. There's a video in The Winning Foils that shows this..... That is one of the most interesting aspects of this AC: can they benefit from the canted board if that means grinding constantly? Or do they need to use some version of an uptip foil to cut down on the grinding-and make it thru a series?

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Wonder how far the tip would have to come out of the water for you?

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I'd just as soon keep the tip in the water, but thanks for asking.

 

 

 

Like this-- Pix by Doug Lord :

 

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GC 32 at record pace. Pix by Sander van der Borch:

 

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It's against the rules to rotate the board about a vertical axis-as would happen with a "gybing" board.

 

 

11.10 A daggerboard shall only:
(a) be retracted or extended; and
b rotate around no more than two axes (or combination of the two axes) whose limits shall
be determined as follows:
(i) The maximum rotation about the cant axis shall be 15 degrees with the rake axis
rotation set to appendage measurement condition; and
(ii) The maximum rotation about the rake axis shall be 12 degrees and the rake axis
shall be within 15 degrees of horizontal with the daggerboard set to appendage
measurement condition.
11.11 Daggerboard components shall be rigidly fixed to each other and the daggerboard shape
shall not be adjusted while racing.

 

That is correct, however flexible foils are allowed.

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As I am not a specialist I only see a correction at the tiller and a trim of the wing.

However, what if the foil has been designed to twist upwind in order to gain to windward and the contary downwind in order to go deeper ?

As the load is greater upwind it should be possible.

If they have to favor one way it would be upwind.

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Wonder how far the tip would have to come out of the water for you?

 

See what you did? Another thread ruined!

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Wonder how far the tip would have to come out of the water for you?

Surely this is dependent on the depth of the water you are standing in.

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As I am not a specialist I only see a correction at the tiller and a trim of the wing.

However, what if the foil has been designed to twist upwind in order to gain to windward and the contary downwind in order to go deeper ?

As the load is greater upwind it should be possible.

If they have to favor one way it would be upwind.

 

I would think if the designed-in twist was the same as rotation about a vertical axis it would be illegal. Though I can't see how that could work to start with?

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maybe it's a flaw and they're just not able to bear away in some conditions ;)

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maybe it's a flaw and they're just not able to bear away in some conditions ;)

One man's flaw is another man's revolutionary technology. Plenty of great things have been invented by accident!

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Emirates Team New Zealand are expected to be the only team launching in their home country.

 

Air freighted to BDA then?

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They could tailor the laminate to allow twisting any way they want. NASA has only been doing this for oh, 35+ years.

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Last AC TC was strictly against flex (and rightly so), remember OTUSA's 'spaghetti boat' - that others championed. Suddenly there is some imagined benefit to extra flex (over and above that inherent to the material and load).

 

Firstly the foils cannot exceed max beam, no matter how they might get there, so flex brings no advantage in that area. Actually a disadvantage- because if there is any doubt that set of foils could be banned.

 

Is there really any point in firstly designing a foil to the nth degree, building a control system to allow extremely fine adjustment - but then having the foil flopping all over the place??

 

Build them right, stick them in the right place with the dagger board case/rudder controls - then race the hell out of the boat and don't fluff your manoeuvres!

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Last AC TC was strictly against flex (and rightly so), remember OTUSA's 'spaghetti boat' - that others championed. Suddenly there is some imagined benefit to extra flex (over and above that inherent to the material and load).

 

Firstly the foils cannot exceed max beam, no matter how they might get there, so flex brings no advantage in that area. Actually a disadvantage- because if there is any doubt that set of foils could be banned.

 

Is there really any point in firstly designing a foil to the nth degree, building a control system to allow extremely fine adjustment - but then having the foil flopping all over the place??

 

Build them right, stick them in the right place with the dagger board case/rudder controls - then race the hell out of the boat and don't fluff your manoeuvres!

 

You make it all sound so easy, Nav. :)

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Start of the coastal race, quite spectacular to see their speed in comparison to the other boats. Sorry if this has been posted before.

 

 

 

It's funny, everyone is loving these shots and videos of ETNZ photo bombing the start of the coastal. But they were only one unseen media/spectator boat from a Spindrift 2 repeat.

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OR Spagghetti1 in AC34 was a joke, the platform was twisting so much that I wrote here that they would pitch pole with the windward bow, it happened a few weeks later.

 

I still think a stiff platform is good, as for any multi, as for the foils :

- we know most of them are flexible

- Martin Fisher said they were working on shapes created by flexing

- we know that one of the problem is the extra lift they create with increased speed.

Why wouldn't they try to make a profile that changes depending on the pressure, thus the speed ?

 

I don't say it is necessarily better, but we know they work on it, tests will tell them the best solution.

 

What goes against it would be the last OR video, why would they show us a flexible foil that works or that they will chose ?

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Only grabbed my phone in time to film the last thrillling seconds of the 35th Americas Cup. ETNZ snake ORTUSA at the last mark wherupon Oracle dinesntegrate and ETNZ sail to glory. Or something like that.

 

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Only grabbed my phone in time to film the last thrillling seconds of the 35th Americas Cup. ETNZ snake ORTUSA at the last mark wherupon Oracle dinesntegrate and ETNZ sail to glory. Or something like that.

 

 

Classic. Is he in an Optimist already?

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Only grabbed my phone in time to film the last thrillling seconds of the 35th Americas Cup. ETNZ snake ORTUSA at the last mark wherupon Oracle dinesntegrate and ETNZ sail to glory. Or something like that.

 

 

Classic. Is he in an Optimist already?

 

 

6 years old and just starting to sail an opti on his own. Sees himself as the good guy (ETNZ) and everyone else on the water is the bad guy (Oracle). Bloody hilarious to watch but I have to try and tone it down a bit in the interest of good sportsmanship :)

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OR Spagghetti1 in AC34 was a joke, the platform was twisting so much that I wrote here that they would pitch pole with the windward bow, it happened a few weeks later.

 

I still think a stiff platform is good, as for any multi, as for the foils :

- we know most of them are flexible

- Martin Fisher said they were working on shapes created by flexing

-we know that one of the problem is the extra lift they create with increased speed.

Why wouldn't they try to make a profile that changes depending on the pressure, thus the speed ?

 

I don't say it is necessarily better, but we know they work on it, tests will tell them the best solution.

 

What goes against it would be the last OR video, why would they show us a flexible foil that works or that they will chose ?

 

One of the advantages of an uptip foil is that it can be designed to maintain nearly the same altitude regardless of speed. Thats a major difference between them and surface piercing foils. And straight "L's" need constant adjustment unless, at some point*, they are canted or flexed into performing like an uptip foil-with less adjustment required. The idea of designed in flex inducing foil twist w/o changing the section shape is intriguing but seems a bit dicey.....

I'm thinking section shape morphing foils are illegal but I'm not 100% sure.

*like the foil in the crash video which, at the time of the video(6.5-7 secs in), was performing like an uptip foil.

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Only grabbed my phone in time to film the last thrillling seconds of the 35th Americas Cup. ETNZ snake ORTUSA at the last mark wherupon Oracle dinesntegrate and ETNZ sail to glory. Or something like that.

 

 

Classic. Is he in an Optimist already?

 

 

6 years old and just starting to sail an opti on his own. Sees himself as the good guy (ETNZ) and everyone else on the water is the bad guy (Oracle). Bloody hilarious to watch but I have to try and tone it down a bit in the interest of good sportsmanship :)

 

 

Awesome. Well done.

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6 years old and just starting to sail an opti on his own. Sees himself as the good guy (ETNZ) and everyone else on the water is the bad guy (Oracle). Bloody hilarious to watch but I have to try and tone it down a bit in the interest of good sportsmanship :)

 

You'll know he's gone over to the dark side when the rights to these "regatta's" are being sold to and held in the neighbour's living room...

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Start of the coastal race, quite spectacular to see their speed in comparison to the other boats. Sorry if this has been posted before.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV4TKZLLd7o

 

It's funny, everyone is loving these shots and videos of ETNZ photo bombing the start of the coastal. But they were only one unseen media/spectator boat from a Spindrift 2 repeat.

Difference being it wasn't a spectator fleet, it was a race, everyone on the same course reaching for 20 miles

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It's quite a show. Interesting that Torpedo7 does not feature ETNZ on its web site, yet they're a Principal Sponsor. They're on Facebook, but so far I've resisted.

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Does anyone know the lowest speed they are tacking upwind?

Been out of circulation for a while so not up to speed.

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Does anyone know the lowest speed they are tacking upwind?

Been out of circulation for a while so not up to speed.

I thought they had internet in the cells these days?...

 

To answer your question... you would need to ask Bean Darker if you want " slow stats".

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Cool! Dainese is a great company. Some good products could come out from this

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Does anyone know the lowest speed they are tacking upwind?

Been out of circulation for a while so not up to speed.

I thought they had internet in the cells these days?...

 

To answer your question... you would need to ask Bean Darker if you want " slow stats".

 

 

I'll take your word for the internet in the cells.

If you get to go cruising you will find out how limited the wifi is.

 

Does anyone have an idea at the lowest speed the Kiwis are tacking upwind? I am talking single digits.They can in the low teens.

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Does anyone know the lowest speed they are tacking upwind?

Been out of circulation for a while so not up to speed.

I thought they had internet in the cells these days?...

 

To answer your question... you would need to ask Bean Darker if you want " slow stats".

 

 

I'll take your word for the internet in the cells.

If you get to go cruising you will find out how limited the wifi is.

 

Does anyone have an idea at the lowest speed the Kiwis are tacking upwind? I am talking single digits.They can in the low teens.

 

 

Is this one of those, "If we told you, we'd have to kill you", kind of questions? :ph34r:

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Tacking or foiling tacking?

Foiling tacking.

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New Talent: Josh Junior and Andy Maloney

 

 

Great to see plenty of youth finally being injected into the team.

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The wind instrument thingy on the bow looks like the bent douche nozzle dude in the movie Sausage Party

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Spys out on Auckland harbour watching ETNZ’s every move last week from Oracle Team Make America Great Again & SoftBank Team Oracle.

 

Anybody recognise these guys? ;)

 

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Spys out on Auckland harbour watching ETNZ’s every move last week from Oracle Team Make America Great Again & SoftBank Team Oracle.

 

Anybody recognise these guys? ;)

 

attachicon.gifetnz_spy_2.jpg

 

At least they're inconspicuous.

 

Don't have enough horses to keep up.

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Spys out on Auckland harbour watching ETNZ’s every move last week from Oracle Team Make America Great Again & SoftBank Team Oracle.

 

Anybody recognise these guys? ;)

 

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Love the hat that Tommy's wearing

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Spys out on Auckland harbour watching ETNZ’s every move last week from Oracle Team Make America Great Again & SoftBank Team Oracle.

 

Anybody recognise these guys? ;)

 

attachicon.gifetnz_spy_2.jpg

Love the hat that Tommy's wearing

 

Pretty hard to do until they enter a team.

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They certainly look quick. Great video by Chris Cameron.

 

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^ Great conditions and they look well sorted!!

 

Ready to step across to the ACC in 6 weeks....

 

Thanks CC, cool video - and camera

 

 

Mea culpa; I didn't think they could do it.

Of course one video doesn't tell the whole story and it's the subtle (and probably invisible) refinements that will count in the end, but fingers crossed for the next phase

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^^Nice vid Chris. Like yer red hat too.

 

Excellent image stability for a handheld.

 

But which is more stable - the yacht or the camera? ;)

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^ Great conditions and they look well sorted!!

 

Ready to step across to the ACC in 6 weeks....

 

Thanks CC, cool video - and camera

 

 

Mea culpa; I didn't think they could do it.

Of course one video doesn't tell the whole story and it's the subtle (and probably invisible) refinements that will count in the end, but fingers crossed for the next phase

 

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^ Great conditions and they look well sorted!!

 

Ready to step across to the ACC in 6 weeks....

 

Thanks CC, cool video - and camera

 

 

Mea culpa; I didn't think they could do it.

Of course one video doesn't tell the whole story and it's the subtle (and probably invisible) refinements that will count in the end, but fingers crossed for the next phase

 

Been next to the base last few weeks, those boys work hard, and seem very relaxed.

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^ Great conditions and they look well sorted!!

 

Ready to step across to the ACC in 6 weeks....

 

Thanks CC, cool video - and camera

 

Mea culpa; I didn't think they could do it.

 

Of course one video doesn't tell the whole story and it's the subtle (and probably invisible) refinements that will count in the end, but fingers crossed for the next phase

 

This is funny: one the best videos of ETNZ sailing that's available online was taken by a spy from SoftBank Team Japan.

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^ Great conditions and they look well sorted!!

 

Ready to step across to the ACC in 6 weeks....

 

Thanks CC, cool video - and camera

 

Mea culpa; I didn't think they could do it.

 

Of course one video doesn't tell the whole story and it's the subtle (and probably invisible) refinements that will count in the end, but fingers crossed for the next phase

 

This is funny: one the best videos of ETNZ sailing that's available online was taken by a spy from SoftBank Team Japan.

 

 

They looked well sorted last time around too.

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Thoughts and prayers for the people in Kaikoura for a speedy rescue and recovery .

 

I don't mind our tax dollars going towards situations like this .

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Thoughts and prayers for the people in Kaikoura for a speedy rescue and recovery .

 

I don't mind our tax dollars going towards situations like this .

 

Much appreciated, Max. A generous gesture.

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Thoughts and prayers for the people in Kaikoura for a speedy rescue and recovery .

I don't mind our tax dollars going towards situations like this .

 

Much appreciated, Max. A generous gesture.

You may think your country is alone but it's far from it . Both my little home town paper in CT and the LOs Angela's Times had articles and photos . There was one shot of three stranded cows on a ever shrinking bit of high ground as rushing water surrounded them that was very sad to see.

Apparently we have a destroyer on the way with some choppers to help with evacuations.

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