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^ They do look smooth. Is flat our boatspeed going to be that real determining factor? I think the teams will all have a pretty close speeds and it's really going to come down to how can do maneuvers the fastest. Obviously great straight line speed is a big advantage, but at the speeds these boats go I think any difference in speed over the length of the course can be erased with a bad boat handling issue (i.e. falling off the foils).

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What is good in the vid is that they kind of recreate (or included) the scream made by the boat.

 

That scream is hauntingly awesome

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Experts everywhere and yet not one mentions the incredible yaw angle in the last few shots. If the apparent wind gets too far forward, just turn the platform and retrim...

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Experts everywhere and yet not one mentions the incredible yaw angle in the last few shots. If the apparent wind gets too far forward, just turn the platform and retrim...

Had noticed that, and didn't know how to interpret it - it's in the opposite direction of leeway (coupling), right? Don't know how they could achieve what you posit i.e. turning the platform, without a major variation of the board vertical AoA (via differential movement of the cant rams). A totally new factor, in any case

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Experts everywhere and yet not one mentions the incredible yaw angle in the last few shots. If the apparent wind gets too far forward, just turn the platform and retrim...

Had noticed that, and didn't know how to interpret it - it's in the opposite direction of leeway (coupling), right? Don't know how they could achieve what you posit i.e. turning the platform, without a major variation of the board vertical AoA (via differential movement of the cant rams). A totally new factor, in any case

Yeah, I can't sort out the mechanics in my head either, but if they have managed to 'uncouple' leeway from heading then it could be a game changer - certainly haven't seen any other footage of the other T boats achieving the same thing.

Still also trying to figure out if the hulls would present a worse or better drag profile if they have indeed achieved it.

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if they have managed to 'uncouple' leeway from heading then it could be a game changer - certainly haven't seen any other footage of the other T boats achieving the same thing.

 

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Experts everywhere and yet not one mentions the incredible yaw angle in the last few shots. If the apparent wind gets too far forward, just turn the platform and retrim...

 

Actually I think you'll find that I highlighted it in the first post after the video went up.

 

But when it wasn't picked up by anyone else I decided not to mention it a second time - leave ETNZ with their sweet little 'October surprise' :)

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Experts everywhere and yet not one mentions the incredible yaw angle in the last few shots. If the apparent wind gets too far forward, just turn the platform and retrim...

Actually I think you'll find that I highlighted it in the first post after the video went up.

 

But when it wasn't picked up by anyone else I decided not to mention it a second time - leave ETNZ with their sweet little 'October surprise' :)

I remember. We all had "crab" for dinner that night 😃

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Experts everywhere and yet not one mentions the incredible yaw angle in the last few shots. If the apparent wind gets too far forward, just turn the platform and retrim...

Had noticed that, and didn't know how to interpret it - it's in the opposite direction of leeway (coupling), right? Don't know how they could achieve what you posit i.e. turning the platform, without a major variation of the board vertical AoA (via differential movement of the cant rams). A totally new factor, in any case
Yeah, I can't sort out the mechanics in my head either, but if they have managed to 'uncouple' leeway from heading then it could be a game changer - certainly haven't seen any other footage of the other T boats achieving the same thing.

Still also trying to figure out if the hulls would present a worse or better drag profile if they have indeed achieved it.

Well the hulls will definitely have higher aero drag in this configuration,so that is not the reason. It would be like a i14 when it gybes the board,right?

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It's against the rules to rotate the board about a vertical axis-as would happen with a "gybing" board.

 

 

11.10 A daggerboard shall only:
(a) be retracted or extended; and
b rotate around no more than two axes (or combination of the two axes) whose limits shall
be determined as follows:
(i) The maximum rotation about the cant axis shall be 15 degrees with the rake axis
rotation set to appendage measurement condition; and
(ii) The maximum rotation about the rake axis shall be 12 degrees and the rake axis
shall be within 15 degrees of horizontal with the daggerboard set to appendage
measurement condition.
11.11 Daggerboard components shall be rigidly fixed to each other and the daggerboard shape
shall not be adjusted while racing.

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Thanks for the info.

I'm just speculating, and I'm no tech guy, but could it be simply that the vertical sections of the mainfoil are not parallel to the hull lines, so that that when the board drift to leeward the boat does not drift at all?

And if the angle was designed to make the boat go straight upwind, than it would probably even drift upwind when going downwind. Or am I insane?

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^ They do look smooth. Is flat our boatspeed going to be that real determining factor? I think the teams will all have a pretty close speeds and it's really going to come down to how can do maneuvers the fastest. Obviously great straight line speed is a big advantage, but at the speeds these boats go I think any difference in speed over the length of the course can be erased with a bad boat handling issue (i.e. falling off the foils).

From memory this was speculated last time with the 72s.

Turned out by mid final series everyone got the hang of roll tacking and foiling gybes which took about the same time and what finally determined the cup was flat out speed, especially Oracles foiling fast mode upwind.

 

If all the teams can now regularly do foiling tacks, and foil upwind, it will be back to flat out speed again, perhaps just in one particular mode.

 

Interesting that the tips of the foils (on ETNZ and OR) are now pointing down.

Figured some other less dragging means of lift control?

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They cant the bottom of the foil out at the bottom to increase RM but that means the crew has got to grind all the time to keep up the hydraulic pressure required to constantly adjust the main foil. There's a video in The Winning Foils that shows this..... That is one of the most interesting aspects of this AC: can they benefit from the canted board if that means grinding constantly? Or do they need to use some version of an uptip foil to cut down on the grinding-and make it thru a series?

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I'd just as soon keep the tip in the water, but thanks for asking.

 

 

 

Like this-- Pix by Doug Lord :

 

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GC 32 at record pace. Pix by Sander van der Borch:

 

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It's against the rules to rotate the board about a vertical axis-as would happen with a "gybing" board.

 

 

11.10 A daggerboard shall only:
(a) be retracted or extended; and
b rotate around no more than two axes (or combination of the two axes) whose limits shall
be determined as follows:
(i) The maximum rotation about the cant axis shall be 15 degrees with the rake axis
rotation set to appendage measurement condition; and
(ii) The maximum rotation about the rake axis shall be 12 degrees and the rake axis
shall be within 15 degrees of horizontal with the daggerboard set to appendage
measurement condition.
11.11 Daggerboard components shall be rigidly fixed to each other and the daggerboard shape
shall not be adjusted while racing.

 

That is correct, however flexible foils are allowed.

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As I am not a specialist I only see a correction at the tiller and a trim of the wing.

However, what if the foil has been designed to twist upwind in order to gain to windward and the contary downwind in order to go deeper ?

As the load is greater upwind it should be possible.

If they have to favor one way it would be upwind.

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Wonder how far the tip would have to come out of the water for you?

 

See what you did? Another thread ruined!

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Wonder how far the tip would have to come out of the water for you?

Surely this is dependent on the depth of the water you are standing in.

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As I am not a specialist I only see a correction at the tiller and a trim of the wing.

However, what if the foil has been designed to twist upwind in order to gain to windward and the contary downwind in order to go deeper ?

As the load is greater upwind it should be possible.

If they have to favor one way it would be upwind.

 

I would think if the designed-in twist was the same as rotation about a vertical axis it would be illegal. Though I can't see how that could work to start with?

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maybe it's a flaw and they're just not able to bear away in some conditions ;)

One man's flaw is another man's revolutionary technology. Plenty of great things have been invented by accident!

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Emirates Team New Zealand are expected to be the only team launching in their home country.

 

Air freighted to BDA then?

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They could tailor the laminate to allow twisting any way they want. NASA has only been doing this for oh, 35+ years.

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Last AC TC was strictly against flex (and rightly so), remember OTUSA's 'spaghetti boat' - that others championed. Suddenly there is some imagined benefit to extra flex (over and above that inherent to the material and load).

 

Firstly the foils cannot exceed max beam, no matter how they might get there, so flex brings no advantage in that area. Actually a disadvantage- because if there is any doubt that set of foils could be banned.

 

Is there really any point in firstly designing a foil to the nth degree, building a control system to allow extremely fine adjustment - but then having the foil flopping all over the place??

 

Build them right, stick them in the right place with the dagger board case/rudder controls - then race the hell out of the boat and don't fluff your manoeuvres!

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Last AC TC was strictly against flex (and rightly so), remember OTUSA's 'spaghetti boat' - that others championed. Suddenly there is some imagined benefit to extra flex (over and above that inherent to the material and load).

 

Firstly the foils cannot exceed max beam, no matter how they might get there, so flex brings no advantage in that area. Actually a disadvantage- because if there is any doubt that set of foils could be banned.

 

Is there really any point in firstly designing a foil to the nth degree, building a control system to allow extremely fine adjustment - but then having the foil flopping all over the place??

 

Build them right, stick them in the right place with the dagger board case/rudder controls - then race the hell out of the boat and don't fluff your manoeuvres!

 

You make it all sound so easy, Nav. :)

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Start of the coastal race, quite spectacular to see their speed in comparison to the other boats. Sorry if this has been posted before.

 

 

 

It's funny, everyone is loving these shots and videos of ETNZ photo bombing the start of the coastal. But they were only one unseen media/spectator boat from a Spindrift 2 repeat.

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OR Spagghetti1 in AC34 was a joke, the platform was twisting so much that I wrote here that they would pitch pole with the windward bow, it happened a few weeks later.

 

I still think a stiff platform is good, as for any multi, as for the foils :

- we know most of them are flexible

- Martin Fisher said they were working on shapes created by flexing

- we know that one of the problem is the extra lift they create with increased speed.

Why wouldn't they try to make a profile that changes depending on the pressure, thus the speed ?

 

I don't say it is necessarily better, but we know they work on it, tests will tell them the best solution.

 

What goes against it would be the last OR video, why would they show us a flexible foil that works or that they will chose ?

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Only grabbed my phone in time to film the last thrillling seconds of the 35th Americas Cup. ETNZ snake ORTUSA at the last mark wherupon Oracle dinesntegrate and ETNZ sail to glory. Or something like that.

 

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Only grabbed my phone in time to film the last thrillling seconds of the 35th Americas Cup. ETNZ snake ORTUSA at the last mark wherupon Oracle dinesntegrate and ETNZ sail to glory. Or something like that.

 

 

Classic. Is he in an Optimist already?

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Only grabbed my phone in time to film the last thrillling seconds of the 35th Americas Cup. ETNZ snake ORTUSA at the last mark wherupon Oracle dinesntegrate and ETNZ sail to glory. Or something like that.

 

 

Classic. Is he in an Optimist already?

 

 

6 years old and just starting to sail an opti on his own. Sees himself as the good guy (ETNZ) and everyone else on the water is the bad guy (Oracle). Bloody hilarious to watch but I have to try and tone it down a bit in the interest of good sportsmanship :)

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OR Spagghetti1 in AC34 was a joke, the platform was twisting so much that I wrote here that they would pitch pole with the windward bow, it happened a few weeks later.

 

I still think a stiff platform is good, as for any multi, as for the foils :

- we know most of them are flexible

- Martin Fisher said they were working on shapes created by flexing

-we know that one of the problem is the extra lift they create with increased speed.

Why wouldn't they try to make a profile that changes depending on the pressure, thus the speed ?

 

I don't say it is necessarily better, but we know they work on it, tests will tell them the best solution.

 

What goes against it would be the last OR video, why would they show us a flexible foil that works or that they will chose ?

 

One of the advantages of an uptip foil is that it can be designed to maintain nearly the same altitude regardless of speed. Thats a major difference between them and surface piercing foils. And straight "L's" need constant adjustment unless, at some point*, they are canted or flexed into performing like an uptip foil-with less adjustment required. The idea of designed in flex inducing foil twist w/o changing the section shape is intriguing but seems a bit dicey.....

I'm thinking section shape morphing foils are illegal but I'm not 100% sure.

*like the foil in the crash video which, at the time of the video(6.5-7 secs in), was performing like an uptip foil.

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Only grabbed my phone in time to film the last thrillling seconds of the 35th Americas Cup. ETNZ snake ORTUSA at the last mark wherupon Oracle dinesntegrate and ETNZ sail to glory. Or something like that.

 

 

Classic. Is he in an Optimist already?

 

 

6 years old and just starting to sail an opti on his own. Sees himself as the good guy (ETNZ) and everyone else on the water is the bad guy (Oracle). Bloody hilarious to watch but I have to try and tone it down a bit in the interest of good sportsmanship :)

 

 

Awesome. Well done.

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6 years old and just starting to sail an opti on his own. Sees himself as the good guy (ETNZ) and everyone else on the water is the bad guy (Oracle). Bloody hilarious to watch but I have to try and tone it down a bit in the interest of good sportsmanship :)

 

You'll know he's gone over to the dark side when the rights to these "regatta's" are being sold to and held in the neighbour's living room...

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Start of the coastal race, quite spectacular to see their speed in comparison to the other boats. Sorry if this has been posted before.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV4TKZLLd7o

 

It's funny, everyone is loving these shots and videos of ETNZ photo bombing the start of the coastal. But they were only one unseen media/spectator boat from a Spindrift 2 repeat.

Difference being it wasn't a spectator fleet, it was a race, everyone on the same course reaching for 20 miles

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It's quite a show. Interesting that Torpedo7 does not feature ETNZ on its web site, yet they're a Principal Sponsor. They're on Facebook, but so far I've resisted.

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Does anyone know the lowest speed they are tacking upwind?

Been out of circulation for a while so not up to speed.

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Does anyone know the lowest speed they are tacking upwind?

Been out of circulation for a while so not up to speed.

I thought they had internet in the cells these days?...

 

To answer your question... you would need to ask Bean Darker if you want " slow stats".

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Does anyone know the lowest speed they are tacking upwind?

Been out of circulation for a while so not up to speed.

I thought they had internet in the cells these days?...

 

To answer your question... you would need to ask Bean Darker if you want " slow stats".

 

 

I'll take your word for the internet in the cells.

If you get to go cruising you will find out how limited the wifi is.

 

Does anyone have an idea at the lowest speed the Kiwis are tacking upwind? I am talking single digits.They can in the low teens.

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Does anyone know the lowest speed they are tacking upwind?

Been out of circulation for a while so not up to speed.

I thought they had internet in the cells these days?...

 

To answer your question... you would need to ask Bean Darker if you want " slow stats".

 

 

I'll take your word for the internet in the cells.

If you get to go cruising you will find out how limited the wifi is.

 

Does anyone have an idea at the lowest speed the Kiwis are tacking upwind? I am talking single digits.They can in the low teens.

 

 

Is this one of those, "If we told you, we'd have to kill you", kind of questions? :ph34r:

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Tacking or foiling tacking?

Foiling tacking.

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Spys out on Auckland harbour watching ETNZ’s every move last week from Oracle Team Make America Great Again & SoftBank Team Oracle.

 

Anybody recognise these guys? ;)

 

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Spys out on Auckland harbour watching ETNZ’s every move last week from Oracle Team Make America Great Again & SoftBank Team Oracle.

 

Anybody recognise these guys? ;)

 

attachicon.gifetnz_spy_2.jpg

 

At least they're inconspicuous.

 

Don't have enough horses to keep up.

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Spys out on Auckland harbour watching ETNZ’s every move last week from Oracle Team Make America Great Again & SoftBank Team Oracle.

 

Anybody recognise these guys? ;)

 

attachicon.gifetnz_spy_2.jpg

Love the hat that Tommy's wearing

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Spys out on Auckland harbour watching ETNZ’s every move last week from Oracle Team Make America Great Again & SoftBank Team Oracle.

 

Anybody recognise these guys? ;)

 

attachicon.gifetnz_spy_2.jpg

Love the hat that Tommy's wearing

 

Pretty hard to do until they enter a team.

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^ Great conditions and they look well sorted!!

 

Ready to step across to the ACC in 6 weeks....

 

Thanks CC, cool video - and camera

 

 

Mea culpa; I didn't think they could do it.

Of course one video doesn't tell the whole story and it's the subtle (and probably invisible) refinements that will count in the end, but fingers crossed for the next phase

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^^Nice vid Chris. Like yer red hat too.

 

Excellent image stability for a handheld.

 

But which is more stable - the yacht or the camera? ;)

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^ Great conditions and they look well sorted!!

 

Ready to step across to the ACC in 6 weeks....

 

Thanks CC, cool video - and camera

 

 

Mea culpa; I didn't think they could do it.

Of course one video doesn't tell the whole story and it's the subtle (and probably invisible) refinements that will count in the end, but fingers crossed for the next phase

 

+1

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^ Great conditions and they look well sorted!!

 

Ready to step across to the ACC in 6 weeks....

 

Thanks CC, cool video - and camera

 

 

Mea culpa; I didn't think they could do it.

Of course one video doesn't tell the whole story and it's the subtle (and probably invisible) refinements that will count in the end, but fingers crossed for the next phase

 

Been next to the base last few weeks, those boys work hard, and seem very relaxed.

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^ Great conditions and they look well sorted!!

 

Ready to step across to the ACC in 6 weeks....

 

Thanks CC, cool video - and camera

 

Mea culpa; I didn't think they could do it.

 

Of course one video doesn't tell the whole story and it's the subtle (and probably invisible) refinements that will count in the end, but fingers crossed for the next phase

 

This is funny: one the best videos of ETNZ sailing that's available online was taken by a spy from SoftBank Team Japan.

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^ Great conditions and they look well sorted!!

 

Ready to step across to the ACC in 6 weeks....

 

Thanks CC, cool video - and camera

 

Mea culpa; I didn't think they could do it.

 

Of course one video doesn't tell the whole story and it's the subtle (and probably invisible) refinements that will count in the end, but fingers crossed for the next phase

 

This is funny: one the best videos of ETNZ sailing that's available online was taken by a spy from SoftBank Team Japan.

 

 

They looked well sorted last time around too.

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Thoughts and prayers for the people in Kaikoura for a speedy rescue and recovery .

 

I don't mind our tax dollars going towards situations like this .

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Thoughts and prayers for the people in Kaikoura for a speedy rescue and recovery .

 

I don't mind our tax dollars going towards situations like this .

 

Much appreciated, Max. A generous gesture.

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Thoughts and prayers for the people in Kaikoura for a speedy rescue and recovery .

I don't mind our tax dollars going towards situations like this .

 

Much appreciated, Max. A generous gesture.

You may think your country is alone but it's far from it . Both my little home town paper in CT and the LOs Angela's Times had articles and photos . There was one shot of three stranded cows on a ever shrinking bit of high ground as rushing water surrounded them that was very sad to see.

Apparently we have a destroyer on the way with some choppers to help with evacuations.

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Thoughts and prayers for the people in Kaikoura for a speedy rescue and recovery .

I don't mind our tax dollars going towards situations like this .

Much appreciated, Max. A generous gesture.

You may think your country is alone but it's far from it . Both my little home town paper in CT and the LOs Angela's Times had articles and photos . There was one shot of three stranded cows on a ever shrinking bit of high ground as rushing water surrounded them that was very sad to see.

Apparently we have a destroyer on the way with some choppers to help with evacuations.

 

 

Don't worry, the cows made it.

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These ones.

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Thoughts and prayers for the people in Kaikoura for a speedy rescue and recovery .
I don't mind our tax dollars going towards situations like this .


Much appreciated, Max. A generous gesture.

You may think your country is alone but it's far from it . Both my little home town paper in CT and the LOs Angela's Times had articles and photos . There was one shot of three stranded cows on a ever shrinking bit of high ground as rushing water surrounded them that was very sad to see.
Apparently we have a destroyer on the way with some choppers to help with evacuations.

 

 

Don't worry, the cows made it.

 

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The rest of the herd probably got buried. These ones were lucky to survive. Thanks maximini, the assistance from USS Sampson is appreciated. By chance they were down this way along with vessels from several other countries to mark the 75th anniversary of the NZ Navy, even though NZ only have a handful of navy ships.

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These ones.

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Thoughts and prayers for the people in Kaikoura for a speedy rescue and recovery .

I don't mind our tax dollars going towards situations like this .

 

Much appreciated, Max. A generous gesture.

You may think your country is alone but it's far from it . Both my little home town paper in CT and the LOs Angela's Times had articles and photos . There was one shot of three stranded cows on a ever shrinking bit of high ground as rushing water surrounded them that was very sad to see.

Apparently we have a destroyer on the way with some choppers to help with evacuations.

Don't worry, the cows made it.

 

Yes those are the ones , good to hear the made it and hopefully there is more good news forth coming.

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The rest of the herd probably got buried. These ones were lucky to survive. Thanks maximini, the assistance from USS Sampson is appreciated. By chance they were down this way along with vessels from several other countries to mark the 75th anniversary of the NZ Navy, even though NZ only have a handful of navy ships.

I live in a earthquake prone area and lost one home in 1994.

 

It's a brief but terrifying time followed by a prolonged period of nervous recovery .

 

Looking forward to positive news .

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another pretty average performance today by the boys. at least it was decent sailboat racing. not super fast conditions but it wasn't a bit lucky dip either.

 

Am glad to put these AC45f away, hopefully the will stay away or be reloaded for Youth sailing. They are done.

 

Q

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https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/other/dalts-doesnt-know-ha-star-sailors-burling-and-tuke-reveal-theyve-slapped-team-nz

 

 

A visit to Tuke's childhood bedroom reveals the surprising lucky charm, the sticker.

 

 

Burling admits they've even slapped it on the Team NZ boat.

 

 

"Dalts doesn't know yet," laughs Tuke.

 

He is not allowed on the boat!... being the biggest wanker.

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another pretty average performance today by the boys. at least it was decent sailboat racing. not super fast conditions but it wasn't a bit lucky dip either.

 

Am glad to put these AC45f away, hopefully the will stay away or be reloaded for Youth sailing. They are done.

 

Q

 

no gunsmoke for team Emirates. That would be concerning.

 

Blair and tuke may have met their match .

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While ETNZ's ACWS result is disappointing, ya gotta remember how totally different that racing is from what we're going to see come May 2017. Much different, faster, easier to sail boats, more training time, match racing instead of fleet racing, relatively consistent conditions and a bigger goal! For Pete and Blair, their first goal was to win the Olympic gold medal, the second is to win the Americas Cup. They've achieved one of their goals, and we will wait and see whether they can achieve the second. The ACWS while being a feather in the cap was never the long term goal. At the end of the day, the goal is to win the Americas Cup.

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While ETNZ's ACWS result is disappointing, ya gotta remember how totally different that racing is from what we're going to see come May 2017. Much different, faster, easier to sail boats, more training time, match racing instead of fleet racing, relatively consistent conditions and a bigger goal! For Pete and Blair, their first goal was to win the Olympic gold medal, the second is to win the Americas Cup. They've achieved one of their goals, and we will wait and see whether they can achieve the second. The ACWS while being a feather in the cap was never the long term goal. At the end of the day, the goal is to win the Americas Cup.

It is ETNZ's repetitive mistakes that are most concerning - start line penalties, boundary penalties, not shedding penalities quickly enough and pushing situations when they are the give way boat. They seem to pick up penalties when they come up against an experienced match racer who knows exactly how to line up a novice. Ainslie got two in one blow (Burling and Cammas) on one mark rounding. Barker too was giving away penalties in the last eight races of the 2013 AC with the obvious outcome. ETNZ will be hoping for a faster boat, because if they gets into an equal speed contest in one design boats, their non-existent match racing knowledge lets them down. Spithill's on the water ranting was going to achieve nothing other than to distract his crew and cost them a place in a tight situation. ETNZ need a coach, this self-analysis stuff isn't working.

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While ETNZ's ACWS result is disappointing, ya gotta remember how totally different that racing is from what we're going to see come May 2017. Much different, faster, easier to sail boats, more training time, match racing instead of fleet racing, relatively consistent conditions and a bigger goal! For Pete and Blair, their first goal was to win the Olympic gold medal, the second is to win the Americas Cup. They've achieved one of their goals, and we will wait and see whether they can achieve the second. The ACWS while being a feather in the cap was never the long term goal. At the end of the day, the goal is to win the Americas Cup.

It is ETNZ's repetitive mistakes that are most concerning - start line penalties, boundary penalties, not shedding penalities quickly enough and pushing situations when they are the give way boat. They seem to pick up penalties when they come up against an experienced match racer who knows exactly how to line up a novice. Ainslie got two in one blow (Burling and Cammas) on one mark rounding. Barker too was giving away penalties in the last eight races of the 2013 AC with the obvious outcome. ETNZ will be hoping for a faster boat, because if they gets into an equal speed contest in one design boats, their non-existent match racing knowledge lets them down. Spithill's on the water ranting was going to achieve nothing other than to distract his crew and cost them a place in a tight situation. ETNZ need a coach, this self-analysis stuff isn't working.

 

 

pretty accurate assessment. Disappointing regatta that's for sure. Maybe two races only that were satisfactorily sailed and where ETNZ made up places and made the right calls. Funnily enough they were away from the bunch for much of those two races....

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At least in a boat on boat race there is no fleet to contend with. Both boats should be able to sail their own race. The teams that have also been disappointing are the 2 time Americas Cup winners OTUSA and Artemis Racing. OTUSA haven't managed to win one regatta. OTUSA and Artemis Racing are the 2 most experienced teams in the competition. ETNZ are a brand new team, who have had their 2 star sailors focusing on an Olympic campaign, and they took OTUSA to the limit, and ended up higher on the points table than Artemis. Yes, its disappointing but there is a long term goal to focus on.

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BAR is clearly the one to beat, consistently able to sail aggressively, fast and fight back when things go wrong.

ETNZ were non of those things unfortunately. if one thing went wrong they go to the back and stay there.

Get hammered by forced and unforced errors and rarely capitalise on any advantage. there are more world champs on ETNZ that most of the others. why can't they get their crap together.

 

I am glad to see the end of the AC45f. and not sure we will see them again. hopefully the future events will be sailing in AC class boats.

Am hoping that dedicated training in the class boats leading up to the qualifiers will sort out ETNZ. as it is they don't have a chance. Not withstanding the incredible talent on board.

 

As to how the they mucked up a very run of the mill Port Starboard crossing of two boats is beyond me. if they had ducked they wouldve lost next to nothing.

 

Ainslie is truely a master and deserves the win. and at this stage would deserve to win the challenger series and take the cup to the UK which would actually be a great outcome.

 

lets hope these 1-2 points never matter in the final outcome.

 

Remind me why OR is getting challenger points again?

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Given the limitation on the number of foils allowed in AC35, won't this whole shooting match come down to who guessed the actual conditions in Bermuda in June 2017 the best and had the right boards available to be fast in those conditions? Sure, sailing talent and other design of the boat will matter, but those foils will surely dictate who can get up and fast the best?

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While ETNZ's ACWS result is disappointing, ya gotta remember how totally different that racing is from what we're going to see come May 2017. Much different, faster, easier to sail boats, more training time, match racing instead of fleet racing, relatively consistent conditions and a bigger goal! For Pete and Blair, their first goal was to win the Olympic gold medal, the second is to win the Americas Cup. They've achieved one of their goals, and we will wait and see whether they can achieve the second. The ACWS while being a feather in the cap was never the long term goal. At the end of the day, the goal is to win the Americas Cup.

It is ETNZ's repetitive mistakes that are most concerning - start line penalties, boundary penalties, not shedding penalities quickly enough and pushing situations when they are the give way boat. They seem to pick up penalties when they come up against an experienced match racer who knows exactly how to line up a novice. Ainslie got two in one blow (Burling and Cammas) on one mark rounding. Barker too was giving away penalties in the last eight races of the 2013 AC with the obvious outcome. ETNZ will be hoping for a faster boat, because if they gets into an equal speed contest in one design boats, their non-existent match racing knowledge lets them down. Spithill's on the water ranting was going to achieve nothing other than to distract his crew and cost them a place in a tight situation. ETNZ need a coach, this self-analysis stuff isn't working.

 

 

pretty accurate assessment. Disappointing regatta that's for sure. Maybe two races only that were satisfactorily sailed and where ETNZ made up places and made the right calls. Funnily enough they were away from the bunch for much of those two races....

 

 

 

Getting pushed above the committee boat at one start and the ballsy but unsuccessful port tack cross were the two biggest ETNZ performance disappointments for me. That said, the breeze was light and variable over the two days and it was always a bit of a lottery. It would be fascinating to see a rerun of that penalised cross on the computer screens of the shore-based umps.

 

I'm surprised no-one has questioned whether the quest for Olympic 49er gold had an effect on ETNZ team cohesion. These are guys fully capable of finishing each other's sentences and yet less total hours logged in the catamaran, including one missed regatta, can't have helped teamwork and cohesion.

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While ETNZ's ACWS result is disappointing, ya gotta remember how totally different that racing is from what we're going to see come May 2017. Much different, faster, easier to sail boats, more training time, match racing instead of fleet racing, relatively consistent conditions and a bigger goal! For Pete and Blair, their first goal was to win the Olympic gold medal, the second is to win the Americas Cup. They've achieved one of their goals, and we will wait and see whether they can achieve the second. The ACWS while being a feather in the cap was never the long term goal. At the end of the day, the goal is to win the Americas Cup.

It is ETNZ's repetitive mistakes that are most concerning - start line penalties, boundary penalties, not shedding penalities quickly enough and pushing situations when they are the give way boat. They seem to pick up penalties when they come up against an experienced match racer who knows exactly how to line up a novice. Ainslie got two in one blow (Burling and Cammas) on one mark rounding. Barker too was giving away penalties in the last eight races of the 2013 AC with the obvious outcome. ETNZ will be hoping for a faster boat, because if they gets into an equal speed contest in one design boats, their non-existent match racing knowledge lets them down. Spithill's on the water ranting was going to achieve nothing other than to distract his crew and cost them a place in a tight situation. ETNZ need a coach, this self-analysis stuff isn't working.

 

 

pretty accurate assessment. Disappointing regatta that's for sure. Maybe two races only that were satisfactorily sailed and where ETNZ made up places and made the right calls. Funnily enough they were away from the bunch for much of those two races....

 

 

 

Getting pushed above the committee boat at one start and the ballsy but unsuccessful port tack cross were the two biggest ETNZ performance disappointments for me. That said, the breeze was light and variable over the two days and it was always a bit of a lottery. It would be fascinating to see a rerun of that penalised cross on the computer screens of the shore-based umps.

 

I'm surprised no-one has questioned whether the quest for Olympic 49er gold had an effect on ETNZ team cohesion. These are guys fully capable of finishing each other's sentences and yet less total hours logged in the catamaran, including one missed regatta, can't have helped teamwork and cohesion.

 

Olympic Gold is bigger than anything else. These guys had the best shot at Gold that anyone could ever have. Olympic competition for some people is once in a lifetime. Olympic Gold is the ultimate sporting achievement. The Americas Cup World Series is a stepping stone to the main event. To sacrifice an Olympic Gold medal for the ACWS would have been crazy.

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