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1 hour ago, Lakrass said:

Totally agree and sometimes it totally changes the perspective of the boat. Had the same feeling with Formula 1 cars when they run older cars but have to take away the tobacco sponsors, it leaves a hole and the car looks a bit odd and it's a mind game to convince myself that it's still the same car that I cheered for.

As a team, I am sure they would benefit more to leave the old boat in their original livery. As current ETNZ sponsors, they are probably in partly due to ETNZ heritage and past success and want to benefit from it but I would rather see a big Toyota or Emirates flag on the old boat than a totally new livery without appeal.

Well luckily her livery was changed back before she was put into the National Maritime Museum... but then that means the boat we see there ISN'T exactly the one which won the Cup back in 1995.  Ah well!

 

 

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This was NZL32 several years ago when it was taken out of its wrap and was being fitted out for the Maritime Museum. 

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Yes between 1997 and 1999 38 and 32 were fitted out and changed shape for the Auckland training.
So not exactly the same but I would like to see 60 in a display too the first successful defender outside America.

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Always a great website to browse. KZ5 is there with all the other 12m yachts. Look for 1986 12m. Now called Laura. USD 570k

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17 minutes ago, Jono said:

Always a great website to browse. KZ5 is there with all the other 12m yachts. Look for 1986 12m. Now called Laura. USD 570k

Oh right-you-are. Nice to see her so well looked after. 

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DAGO yesterday

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Just Not the same without a family's Fortune embezzler sweating bullets and Smoking Cigg's on the back (wudda been a Fucking Hero if they Won on the other hand)

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^^^^    How much more would it cost to put ITA-1 (wrong # who would know BUT USA-1 ......... I Don't think so 

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G'day crew, does anyone know if Australia3 and 4 are still in Miri Malaysia as per an old thread? Not sure what shape they would be in by know if they haven't been scrapped already. Great to see all of the old twelves get a new lease of life

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2 minutes ago, Winging It said:

G'day crew, does anyone know if Australia3 and 4 are still in Miri Malaysia as per an old thread? Not sure what shape they would be in by know if they haven't been scrapped already. Great to see all of the old twelves get a new lease of life

Yep they still there....a long story short but there isn't any interest in restoring these 2 boats....shame though...last of the Lexcen designed boats!

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Thanks, plenty of interest, just not enough capital in order to bring the heavy buggers back here, restore them and keep them, would love to do it, if I can find a way I will.

certainly not everybody's cup of tea, and compared to today's standard heavy and slow by comparison, however they are important 12 meters and should be given a new lease on life, any contact details of where the boats might be would be appreciated.

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6 hours ago, Winging It said:

Thanks, plenty of interest, just not enough capital in order to bring the heavy buggers back here, restore them and keep them, would love to do it, if I can find a way I will.

certainly not everybody's cup of tea, and compared to today's standard heavy and slow by comparison, however they are important 12 meters and should be given a new lease on life, any contact details of where the boats might be would be appreciated.

Have PM'd you some interesting info on these 12's!!!

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On 6/17/2018 at 3:38 AM, Emufriedchicken said:

Have PM'd you some interesting info on these 12's!!!

Shhhhhhh ......don't rell anyone Butt

you sudda just posted it here

jus sayin.  ....

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Ranger being launched at Bath Iron Works, 1937. After winning the AC, Ranger was laid up and never sailed again. Boat was cut up for scrap just before WW2.

 

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Great images.

Fascinating guy, Vanderbilt. Treated like dirt by his mother, the formidable Alva Vanderbilt Belmont, he supposedly took up sailing because she hated being on a boat. He invented the game of Contract Bridge, and wrote some of the most incisive analyses of racing rules ever done. He once described the process of tuning a J Boat as "grains of sand and drops of water." Still true today, right down to the toy boats people like me sail.

Cheers,

Earl

 

 

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in DAGO Rotting on a Dock at the moment

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ya I know its not a boat But what do you pay for your tarps :-O

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49 minutes ago, WetHog said:

 

WetHog  :ph34r:

Columbia is actively chartered. I'm interested to see what 12's show up next July here in Newport.

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On 9/6/2018 at 7:14 AM, RImike said:

Columbia is actively chartered. I'm interested to see what 12's show up next July here in Newport.

What and when is the event in July ?

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This might help. 

North Americans coming up this weekend.  And World Champs next July.

 

With World Championship on Horizon,

12 Metre North Americans to be Hotly Contested 

NEWPORT, R.I. (Sept. 16, 2018) – From Friday through Sunday, September 21-23, nine historic 12 Metre yachts (including four past winners of the America’s Cup) and 150 of some of the world’s top sailors will be racing on Rhode Island Sound and Narragansett Bay in quest of the title 12 Metre North American Champion. In addition to being the capstone of the 2018 12 Metre racing season, the 2018 North American Championship will be the last major regatta before the 2019 World Championship season, which includes the 2019 12 Metre World Championship scheduled for next July 8-13 in Newport, R.I.

“The North Americans will be the last chance for the teams to identify opportunities to fine tune their boats and develop a work plan for the off-season to find that illusive extra tenth of a knot,” said Event Chair Peter Gerard, who also has spearheaded the organization of next year’s Worlds.

Competing in Traditional Division will be Defending Champion US-17 Weatherly (Jay Schachne, Barrington, R.I.); US-16 Columbia(Kevin Hagerty/Anthony Chiurco, Boston, Mass./Newport, R.I.); USA-19 Nefertiti (John Wullschleger, Sarasota, Fla.), USA 18 Easterner (Scott Bernard, Annapolis, Md.); and US-21 American Eagle (Bob Morton/Cindy DeLotto, Newport, R.I./Edgartown, Mass.). Competing in Modern Division will be Defending Champion KA-10 Challenge XII (Jack LeFort, Jamestown, R.I.); US-26Courageous (Ralph Isham/Steve Glaskock/Alexander Auersperg/Ward Marsh, Newport, R.I.); US-30 Freedom (Charles Robertson, Guilford, Conn.); and K-22 Victory ‘83 (Dennis Williams, Hobe Sound, Fla./Newport, R.I.

Eight races are scheduled. Courses will be windward-leeward, and at the end of each day the Race Committee may run a “race to the harbor” (that will not count as part of the North American Championship scoring).  

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Without a thorough look (tedious on my phone) I haven't seen Gretel 11 mentioned. She's looking good at the RYCT these days. 

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On 9/19/2018 at 10:26 PM, KiwiJoker said:

This might help. 

North Americans coming up this weekend.  And World Champs next July.

 

With World Championship on Horizon,

12 Metre North Americans to be Hotly Contested 

NEWPORT, R.I. (Sept. 16, 2018) – From Friday through Sunday, September 21-23, nine historic 12 Metre yachts (including four past winners of the America’s Cup) and 150 of some of the world’s top sailors will be racing on Rhode Island Sound and Narragansett Bay in quest of the title 12 Metre North American Champion. In addition to being the capstone of the 2018 12 Metre racing season, the 2018 North American Championship will be the last major regatta before the 2019 World Championship season, which includes the 2019 12 Metre World Championship scheduled for next July 8-13 in Newport, R.I.

“The North Americans will be the last chance for the teams to identify opportunities to fine tune their boats and develop a work plan for the off-season to find that illusive extra tenth of a knot,” said Event Chair Peter Gerard, who also has spearheaded the organization of next year’s Worlds.

Competing in Traditional Division will be Defending Champion US-17 Weatherly (Jay Schachne, Barrington, R.I.); US-16 Columbia(Kevin Hagerty/Anthony Chiurco, Boston, Mass./Newport, R.I.); USA-19 Nefertiti (John Wullschleger, Sarasota, Fla.), USA 18 Easterner (Scott Bernard, Annapolis, Md.); and US-21 American Eagle (Bob Morton/Cindy DeLotto, Newport, R.I./Edgartown, Mass.). Competing in Modern Division will be Defending Champion KA-10 Challenge XII (Jack LeFort, Jamestown, R.I.); US-26Courageous (Ralph Isham/Steve Glaskock/Alexander Auersperg/Ward Marsh, Newport, R.I.); US-30 Freedom (Charles Robertson, Guilford, Conn.); and K-22 Victory ‘83 (Dennis Williams, Hobe Sound, Fla./Newport, R.I.

Eight races are scheduled. Courses will be windward-leeward, and at the end of each day the Race Committee may run a “race to the harbor” (that will not count as part of the North American Championship scoring).  

Thank you Kiwi, I’ll be in town for that one . 

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More (better) shots of Gretel 11 (borrowed from the Royal Yacht Club of Tasmania's facebook page). The last one shows her dwarfing us (sail #57.)

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Is USA67, the IACC boat used by One World, still in Valencia?

 

Anyway, Paul Allen died this afternoon.  He sponsored a lot of good research in an incredibly broad range of areas.  RIP.

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14 hours ago, NeedAClew said:

Is USA67, the IACC boat used by One World, still in Valencia?

 

Anyway, Paul Allen died this afternoon.  He sponsored a lot of good research in an incredibly broad range of areas.  RIP.

+1, RIP.

Have always been an admirer of Paul Allen, including for his support of Seattle’s OneWorld AC team. JS was the helm, BA was on that team too. 

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Mission to save piece of yachting history

 FAMOUS: Gretel, the Aussie racing yacht in the 12-metre class, unsuccessfully challenged for the 1962 America's Cup.

It’s been six years since the famous 12 metre America’s Cup boat Gretel was brought to a boatyard in northern Germany, where there were high hopes she would be returned to her former glory.

The yacht that inspired a generation of Australian sailors is now at Robbe and Berking Classics boatyard, requiring a passionate owner to save her from complete ruin.

 

“Gretel has been dry stored in our shed for a couple of years, but we are still hopeful that her second life will start from here on,” Jakob Franze, Master Boatbuilder at Robbe and Berking Classics boatyard, said.

“We found Gretel in Italy and she isn’t in a good state.

“Nevertheless we would love to do the refit of Gretel, but would sell the boat as she is right now as well.”

Gretel is an intrinsic part of our yachting history. 

The first 12-metre racing yacht designed and built in Australia, and our first challenger for the America's Cup.

The Gretel Campaign was bankrolled by an ambitious Sir Frank Packer, after an Australian challenge become possible when New York Yacht Club changed its rules to allow an entry from an international 12-metre yacht that could be shipped, rather than sailed or built locally.

Steered by Alexander “Jock” Sturrock, Gretel became the first yacht since the 1930s to beat the Americans in a race. 

The five-race series was a thriller, with Gretel sensationally winning the second race on September 18 and missing out on the fourth by 26 seconds.

In the end the Americans successfully defended the Cup due to the superior performance of Weatherly’s crew and skipper Emil “Bus” Mosbacher, regarded as one of the best helmsmen of his time.

Although they lost the series 4-1, Gretel inspired yachtsmen all across Australia to undertake subsequent challenges, eventually wresting the America’s Cup from the haughty New York Yacht Club in 1983.

After the America’s Cup regatta of 1962, Gretel served as a trial horse for several of Australia’s following Cup challenges, including the Dame Pattie Syndicate in 1976 and the Southern Cross Syndicate in 1974. 

Alan Bond then sold Gretel to developer Bernard Lewis in Sydney.

Lewis converted Gretel to an ocean racer. It turned out to be an inspired decision. 

With an age allowance, her best moment was a close second on handicap in the 1980 Sydney to Hobart Race.

Lewis sold Gretel shortly after and the yacht became a charter boat, operating largely in the Whitsunday Islands.

In 2002 she was sold out of Australia to a syndicate that included the well known American yacht designer Doug Peterson. 

The yacht was shipped to Italy, rigged and sailed a few times before being left for a rebuild. 

It never happened.

It was here that she was found by Oliver Berking and transported to Flensburg in Germany, in the hope that she could undergo a complete restoration.

Most of the original shape of the hull, stern and rudder have been modified during the years, and will take extensive restoration work to return her to glory.

To date the shipyard’s quest to find Gretel a new owner who can breathe life back into the former champion has been unsuccessful.

We aim to bring this historic yacht back to the original condition of 1962”, Berking said.

“This is a unique piece of yachting history that must be kept alive!”

It’s not out of the realm of possibility, with Robbe and Berking Classics currently restoring the 12-metre yacht Jenetta. 

The 12-metre fleet is experiencing a renaissance worldwide, and there is huge interest in the post-war America’s Cup boats, especially in Newport, Rhode Island, where there is a very active fleet.

Could Gretel be the next yacht to be resurrected? It may take an Australian buyer to bring her home.

#savegretel

Jack O’Rourke is a contributor to Ocean Media

https://www.theherald.com.au/story/5827575/mission-to-save-piece-of-yachting-history/

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On 6/25/2018 at 8:03 PM, RKoch said:

Ranger being launched at Bath Iron Works, 1937. After winning the AC, Ranger was laid up and never sailed again. Boat was cut up for scrap just before WW2.

 

interesting, makes rising a sail wing look easy.

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On 6/25/2018 at 9:03 PM, RKoch said:

Ranger being launched at Bath Iron Works, 1937. After winning the AC, Ranger was laid up and never sailed again. Boat was cut up for scrap just before WW2.

 

very cool, I always forget that ranger was  BIW built boat. I remember Donald Tofias referring to her as a "battery boat" there was so much electrolysis, apparently the hull was warm to the touch. 

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On 10/15/2018 at 8:34 PM, ALL@SEA said:

More (better) shots of Gretel 11 (borrowed from the Royal Yacht Club of Tasmania's facebook page). The last one shows her dwarfing us (sail #57.)

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Gretel II last of the wooden twelves getting a birthday at Salthouse Boat Builders Auckland.

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10 hours ago, frozenhawaiian said:

very cool, I always forget that ranger was  BIW built boat. I remember Donald Tofias referring to her as a "battery boat" there was so much electrolysis, apparently the hull was warm to the touch. 

The president of Bath Iron Works bid the job at cost to keep his workforce employed, which was important when WWII came around. 

Cheers,

Earl

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How many yachts have you seen with curved fore peak duckboards.

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That's me in the blue overalls, we made and fitted the steel mast step/ chain plate part. work was done in Kumeu Auckland,,,, takes me back a few years

 

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On 5/1/2018 at 7:05 AM, 3to1 said:

most of these war horses end up like space program hardware, used and discarded. it's a little ironic that something so painstakingly thought out and constructed is simply relegated to garbage status. wasn't it NZL 20?? that was nicknamed 'the little red sled'? where's that boat at?

Stumbled across NZL20 out at Gulf Harbour today. Hard to get a good shot as she's hemmed in by trees and powerboats.

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3 hours ago, Sea Breeze 74 said:

Stumbled across NZL20 out at Gulf Harbour today. Hard to get a good shot as she's hemmed in by trees and powerboats.

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I still just don't get this.

NZL20 was so well maintained for so many years, first in San Francisco and then based at the Viaduct in Auckland..... and now this!

She was up for sale on TradeMe last year... I wonder if anyone actually bought her, or if the listing was just taken down.

Either way, it's sad.  She wasn't a winner but she was a revolutionary boat which deserves better than this.

 

 

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On 2/8/2019 at 2:57 PM, Tin Basher said:

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That's me in the blue overalls, we made and fitted the steel mast step/ chain plate part. work was done in Kumeu Auckland,,,, takes me back a few years

 

 

Good job !

I do like composite boats , but you gotta love a good timber restoration .

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6 hours ago, DohaNZ said:

I still just don't get this.

NZL20 was so well maintained for so many years, first in San Francisco and then based at the Viaduct in Auckland..... and now this!

She was up for sale on TradeMe last year... I wonder if anyone actually bought her, or if the listing was just taken down.

Either way, it's sad.  She wasn't a winner but she was a revolutionary boat which deserves better than this.

Do you know what the deal is with the twin keel setup? Never seen anything quite like it.

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1 hour ago, Sea Breeze 74 said:

Do you know what the deal is with the twin keel setup? Never seen anything quite like it.

I don't know anything about it other than it was in fashion in the '92 cup. AUS-21 had it as well and DC switched over to it on USA-11 and then switched back to a single keel when it didn't work.

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33 minutes ago, pusslicker said:

I don't know anything about it other than it was in fashion in the '92 cup. AUS-21 had it as well and DC switched over to it on USA-11 and then switched back to a single keel when it didn't work.

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Thanks. Looks like a bit of a freak-show and clearly didn't made the cut for mainstream design!

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13 hours ago, Sea Breeze 74 said:

Stumbled across NZL20 out at Gulf Harbour today. Hard to get a good shot as she's hemmed in by trees and powerboats.

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nice pics, I always thought she was a pretty little thing.

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1 minute ago, 3to1 said:

nice pics, I always thought she was a pretty little thing.

Don’t think you will ever see it sailing again, bulb has been sold, and would need a fair bit of work now to get it any where near sailing condition. Had a new set of sails last time it sailed but that was back in 2006?

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On 1/8/2019 at 5:50 AM, Priscilla said:

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How many yachts have you seen with curved fore peak duckboards.

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How much does that boom weigh? Looks like it’s alumumium fabricated. 

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12 hours ago, Justaquickone said:

I do like composite boats , but you gotta love a good timber restoration .

Technically thats also composite.

 

6 hours ago, Sea Breeze 74 said:

Do you know what the deal is with the twin keel setup? Never seen anything quite like it.

Both struts turned: opposite for turns, together for leeway resistance (or dialing in negative downwind). CBTF did similar control system but with separate rudders & keel.

In theory you had 2* full draught struts -> better aspect-ratio vs 1 full length keel & shorter rudder. Possibly something about the rear one operating in the wake of the front = less drag (at least downwind?)

It was structurally a bigger nightmare than normal IACC keels & close-coupling made for difficult control, from recollection Davis complained that you had to put a lot of turns of the wheels in to get the boat to start turning & almost immediately have to take them out to avoid over-rotating, easy to get draggy doing too much with the wheel(s).

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19 hours ago, Sea Breeze 74 said:

Do you know what the deal is with the twin keel setup? Never seen anything quite like it.

As I recall, she had no rudder... and it was flaps on the twin keels which did the steering.  They never quite mastered her... but David Barnes (tactician) said after the LVC92 that she had massive unlocked potential which they never harnessed.

Very beamy... an IACC dinghy almost... and one of the first IACC yachts along with Il Moro and America3 to have a 'sugar scoop' transom, rather than a regular flat one.

 

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13 hours ago, hoom said:

Technically thats also composite.

 

Both struts turned: opposite for turns, together for leeway resistance (or dialing in negative downwind). CBTF did similar control system but with separate rudders & keel.

In theory you had 2* full draught struts -> better aspect-ratio vs 1 full length keel & shorter rudder. Possibly something about the rear one operating in the wake of the front = less drag (at least downwind?)

It was structurally a bigger nightmare than normal IACC keels & close-coupling made for difficult control, from recollection Davis complained that you had to put a lot of turns of the wheels in to get the boat to start turning & almost immediately have to take them out to avoid over-rotating, easy to get draggy doing too much with the wheel(s).

The CBTF link is relevant here.

One of the conceptual ideas that both NZL20 and CBTF systems ran - which if you recall started with Blackallers USA49? boat was to place the keel fins (or sruts) at the point of  Bow and Stern wave peak - so whereas a traditional boat has a bow and stern wave - with a large ( and high drag) trough amidships that is further exaggerated by the high and low pressure of a single fin keel - by splitting the lateral load sharing across two fins and in the areas where you would otherwise see those waves rising - the twin fin locations flattened the wave making drag of the hull. Farr partnered this effect by designing and moding the boat into the light corner of the rule as well. The ballast could also be shaped into a very long and low drag (almost torpedo shaped) package as seen in some of those photos, which was freakishly different from the big whale like bulbs of contemporary boats.

Certainly when they got the boat hooked up and in control she showed real promise. 

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5 hours ago, DohaNZ said:

As I recall, she had no rudder... and it was flaps on the twin keels which did the steering.  They never quite mastered her... but David Barnes (tactician) said after the LVC92 that she had massive unlocked potential which they never harnessed.

Very beamy... an IACC dinghy almost... and one of the first IACC yachts along with Il Moro and America3 to have a 'sugar scoop' transom, rather than a regular flat one.

... and here's a shot of the keels. Someone upthread said the bulb has been sold.

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5 hours ago, Boink said:

Certainly when they got the boat hooked up and in control she showed real promise. 

Very true, in fact, the rumour I heard was in enough time, with better sailing and better conditions, this boat is actually quicker than the AC50.

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9 hours ago, Boink said:

by splitting the lateral load sharing across two fins and in the areas where you would otherwise see those waves rising - the twin fin locations flattened the wave making drag of the hull

Ah that must be the wake thing I was thinking of.

 

Back when it had a bulb

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On 2/26/2019 at 2:45 AM, DohaNZ said:

As I recall, she had no rudder... and it was flaps on the twin keels which did the steering.  They never quite mastered her... but David Barnes (tactician) said after the LVC92 that she had massive unlocked potential which they never harnessed.

Very beamy... an IACC dinghy almost... and one of the first IACC yachts along with Il Moro and America3 to have a 'sugar scoop' transom, rather than a regular flat one.

 

As I understand it both keels could turn.  When they were both turned to windward she went like a rocket and sailed much higher.  As already discussed here, it was bloody hard to get her into the groove.  It's worth noting that she was at the lighter end of the rule, and much smaller as a consequence.  It would be interesting to see how she went if she were near the upper end of the scale. 

 

From memory too, she was hard to maneuver, and had an illegal bowsprit...

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9 minutes ago, jackolantern said:

Is it just me or are those some of the first real up close shots we've ever seen of the cockpit on DoGzilla?

I want to say some came out after the Dog match but I am not 100% sure.  Its been almost 10 years since the Dog match.   How time flies.

WetHog  :ph34r:

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10 hours ago, WetHog said:

I want to say some came out after the Dog match but I am not 100% sure.  Its been almost 10 years since the Dog match.   How time flies.

WetHog  :ph34r:

I do not remember ever seeing shots off of the boat, other than one of my brother at the dock in SD. Hard to believe how this forum was buzzing 10 years ago while the court case was raging. I have saved the link to Maureen Mahoney's court appearance vs BBBL Ostrager. She wiped the floor with him.

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3 hours ago, hhn92 said:

I do not remember ever seeing shots off of the boat, other than one of my brother at the dock in SD. Hard to believe how this forum was buzzing 10 years ago while the court case was raging. I have saved the link to Maureen Mahoney's court appearance vs BBBL Ostrager. She wiped the floor with him.

Care to share?

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I don't think this has been mentioned before but Young America (The Mermaid) from the 1995 AC made her way up to the Mahaney Arts Center (as in Kevin Mahaney - Skipper of the same boat) at Middlebury College in 2017.  There are a couple of videos of the installation and many pics showing where she (temporarily) sat.  I believe she is back at the Storm King Arts Center in NY (I called Middlebury College to see if she remained there - and she did not). 

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Young America is sitting at the Herreshoff Museum/America's Cup Hall of Fame in Bristol, RI

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On 3/27/2019 at 6:56 PM, pwormwood said:

Young America is sitting at the Herreshoff Museum/America's Cup Hall of Fame in Bristol, RI

That would be America3's boat Defiant...

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On 5/3/2018 at 8:43 PM, monosailor said:

NZL82, NZL92, USA98 and NZL38 all at YDL in West Auckland. Looks like they are cleaning out the tank farm for bases already. 

38 very well protected, 82/92 in poor condition suggest they probably won’t sail again, stripped down off all Winches etc. 98 has been uncovered but still has Winches etc mounted on deck

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On 5/4/2018 at 2:23 AM, DohaNZ said:

 

Hey monosailor, thanks for the pic!  Obviously, it's not easy or cheap to find an 'afterlife' for these boats, but it's still sad to see them like that.

One thing... I'm not convinced that the black uncovered hull is USA98.  Others in this thread, I think, have said that USA98 and he sister USA87 were left in Dubai after the Louis Vuitton Trophy in 2010.

Also, I spoke to the Explore Group a while ago - who own, or at least possess all these boats - and they said that black hull was actually NZL60.  Certainly seems to be 60, judging by the beam of the hull and the shape of the bow.

In which case, that's even sadder - given it was the first non-American boat to successfully defend the Cup.

 

On 5/9/2018 at 8:28 AM, WetHog said:

Thanks for the pic.  Can you get some pictures of the cockpits?

And yeah that can't be USA 98.  Hull shape is wrong and last I heard of that boat USA 98 and USA 87 were for sale as a package along with containers of gear.  

WetHog  :ph34r:

 

USA 87 and USA 98 have been in Dubai for almost 10 years, they were bought by PCT. Here is a picture of one of USA 98's pit winches I took last week.

 

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7 hours ago, doghouse said:

Both.

You're winding us up

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10 hours ago, rh2600 said:

You're winding us up

No. It replaced this winch because of the lead angle.

 

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6 hours ago, doghouse said:

No. It replaced this winch because of the lead angle.

 

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I was attempting to make a joke ;-)

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Some other goodies off of 98 you guys may be interested in.

Hydraulic valve bodies

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What's left of the bulb

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Gear box

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Very cool pictures.  Thanks for sharing.

What happened to the hulls?  Are they all chopped up?

WetHog  :ph34r:

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12 minutes ago, WetHog said:

Very cool pictures.  Thanks for sharing.

What happened to the hulls?  Are they all chopped up?

WetHog  :ph34r:

Honestly, no idea. I'll ask though. A lot of the stuff off of these boats is so old tech now it's not worth much, but there's a few gems in there.

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10 hours ago, doghouse said:

No. It replaced this winch because of the lead angle.

 

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Just curious, but how hard is it going to be to get replacement parts for it, or are most of the internal wear items pretty standard?

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3 minutes ago, Monkey said:

Just curious, but how hard is it going to be to get replacement parts for it, or are most of the internal wear items pretty standard?

It's just a 500 STR with a custom drum I believe. 

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20 minutes ago, doghouse said:

It's just a 500 STR with a custom drum I believe. 

Nice. A friend of mine’s an engineer at Harken, but it’s always been a lost cause trying to get details on AC hardware out of him. I always wondered what post Cup maintenance would be like for some of those toys. 

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12 minutes ago, Monkey said:

I always wondered what post Cup maintenance would be like for some of those toys. 

Enough to give me the heebie jeebies, roughly.

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After seeing doghouse’s pictures of the Oracle boat winches, I did some digging and found some old pics from the final Louis Vuitton Trophy regatta in Dubai 2010.  The last time the IACC yachts raced... these are NZL 84 and NZL 92.

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And here’s some of the two ETNZ boats, and the Oracle pair, sailing in that regatta. I went to Dubai especially for this regatta because it would be the last chance to see these beauties sailing. The cats have been amazing, the AC75 looks outrageous... but I loved watching the crew work, the sail sets, and the majesty of these IACCs.

 

 

 

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