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i will pay that

even if for no other reason to keep it

what better for the city of sails to have a

great big beautiful sailboat thats still one of a kind as a statement piece sculpture

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On 10/20/2019 at 7:16 PM, Neverwas said:

Anyone know what happened to the GBR Challenge boats? Especially the twin keel boat that sailed about 5 times!

Still in Cowes I think. Peter Harrison still owns the old base there. Can't remember whether the twin fin one ever got converted to something legal.

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On 10/26/2019 at 1:47 PM, Chimp too said:

Still in Cowes I think. Peter Harrison still owns the old base there. Can't remember whether the twin fin one ever got converted to something legal.

He does own that yard still 100%. I know there are at least 2 boats there (see 2019 google maps pic) I didn't know which ones they were.

I thought t least one of them was a Nippon boat though.

Mad how more pics of that twin keel boat never goat out. I heard stories of the after party at that cup, the shore crew went into the shed and found beer bottles on the bulb and messages left by other teams who had been in for a look but not sure how true that is.

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On 10/20/2019 at 2:48 AM, phill_nz said:

i will pay that

even if for no other reason to keep it

what better for the city of sails to have a

great big beautiful sailboat thats still one of a kind as a statement piece sculpture

KZ-1 did a east coast USA tour after San Diego.   Stopped off in Boston, so we headed down for the walkaround.   Felt like walking the deck of an aircraft carrier - weird feeling.   Talked up some Kiwis on board who said they jibbed it in 20kts down in New York and they didn’t plan on doing that again.  Lol!    Was a sight to behold in person.

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I'm not sure if this was actually used in the Americas Cup or not...  The article I found said "TOMCAT is a performance racing Prosail 40 catamaran, that has served as a platform and inspiration for the direction of multi-hull America’s Cup sailing."

 

I stumbled on it at the Westpoint Marina in Redwood City yesterday.  I have no idea what the asking price is.  

 

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4 hours ago, Wolkenzug said:

That´s what I call a display. Wow. 

Where is that?

 

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12 minutes ago, Priscilla said:

Dame Pattie in the Med.

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Gretel II Hobart.

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Courageous at the 2019 12m Worlds.

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Thanks Priscilla, most beautiful boats, and still sailing. The golden era.

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7 hours ago, Priscilla said:

Heritage US23 last of the woodys.

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What about Valiant, US 24? Don't know which of those two was launched first, but Valiant's hull number is the last US woody.

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Valiant is still racing and still missing about 6 feet of boat at the stern... going around being the tallest midget in the Classic Racing fleet rather than lining up against actual 12 Metres....

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5 hours ago, accnick said:

What about Valiant, US 24? Don't know which of those two was launched first, but Valiant's hull number is the last US woody.

Most correct.

 

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16 hours ago, NZL4EVER said:

 

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Those used to be on display and the latest I believe are in indoor storage in Portsmouth RI. That was a few years ago however they still had the holes in them from the display. 

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8 hours ago, accnick said:

What about Valiant, US 24? Don't know which of those two was launched first, but Valiant's hull number is the last US woody.

The NYYC got Charlie to switch with them from 23 to 24, Heritage was the last wood 12. Heard it from Charlie himself at one of his talks during our Hospice Cup where sailing on Heritage is donated for bids to the charity.

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Is Heritage even considered a 12 meter anymore considering that it won't measure in due to the modifications done to it. 

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3 hours ago, RImike said:

Is Heritage even considered a 12 meter anymore considering that it won't measure in due to the modifications done to it. 

She does not currently hold a class certificate, but was restored to a 12mR rig a few years ago.

Are any of the old ACC boats considered ACC  boats these days, since none have current certs (not that there is currently any active ACC class organization), nor could they in their current state comply with the old Class Rule?

I would say we need to cut them a bit of slack. The are all still retired boats in recognizable form that were built for AC competition.

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3 hours ago, accnick said:

I would say we need to cut them a bit of slack. The are all still retired boats in recognizable form that were built for AC competition.

Agree with that statement and as a example Gretel KA1 sits in Germany awaiting restoration by one of those brave souls that has very deep pockets and a passion for the class.

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Middle picture.  I remember that day quite well (early '80's?).  Big swell creating surf on the reef at South Head.  We had to dodge board riders waiting for another set of big waves on the way to the finish at Watsons bay.

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2 hours ago, trt131 said:

Middle picture.  I remember that day quite well (early '80's?).  Big swell creating surf on the reef at South Head.  We had to dodge board riders waiting for another set of big waves on the way to the finish at Watsons bay.

That is very cool, sad that we will probably never see the likes of it again. 

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6 hours ago, Priscilla said:

Agree with that statement and as a example Gretel KA1 sits in Germany awaiting restoration by one of those brave souls that has very deep pockets and a passion for the class.

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Great picture, great sailing.

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Had a quick dig around and found this.

I didn't realise that KZ7 developed a gennaker (8:00). Great sailing conditions.  Dramatic sailing, mostly due to breakages and the fact that the teams don't seem to be as slick as they are now.

 

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Friend and long-time lurker shared this with me, has the originals. We suspect taken back in NZ after(?) the challenge.

Fay himself can be seen in bottom shot.

 

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Reminds me I’ve got some pics of that day.  same sorts of shots  

you could pretty much walk from the city to Devonport via boats the harbour was so full. What a blast. 
 

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On 11/9/2019 at 9:41 AM, rh3000 said:

Friend and long-time lurker shared this with me, has the originals. We suspect taken back in NZ after(?) the challenge.

Fay himself can be seen in bottom shot.

 

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I believe thats the launch.

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On 11/7/2019 at 12:21 PM, Ex-yachtie said:

Had a quick dig around and found this.

I didn't realise that KZ7 developed a gennaker (8:00). Great sailing conditions.  Dramatic sailing, mostly due to breakages and the fact that the teams don't seem to be as slick as they are now.

 

I have this full raceday on VHS, AIV surfing back and forth across KIII's stern was classic. This vid did not show the best of it, they were only feet apart at times, throwing a ton of water into the air off their bow.

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On 11/5/2019 at 8:35 AM, RImike said:

Is Heritage even considered a 12 meter anymore considering that it won't measure in due to the modifications done to it. 

I sailed on her back in 2016, they joke that she is a '13' meter, and the class invites her to race when they need an extra boat to fill-out the fleet.

edit: Heritage's mast is an old S&S stick.

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NZL10 & 12 were twins for two-boat testing in 1992 campaign, re-used for the original ACWS after '95.

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3 hours ago, Tornado-Cat said:

 

The only two extant J's that can rationally be called retired AC boats are Shamrock and Endeavour, although little is left of the original fabric of either one. I've had the great good fortune to sail both, including sailing Shamrock with Frank Murdoch, her original rig designer, onboard back in  the 1980's.

Compared to any AC boats that came after them, they are stately, but cumbersome beasts.

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29 minutes ago, accnick said:

The only two extant J's that can rationally be called retired AC boats are Shamrock and Endeavour, although little is left of the original fabric of either one. I've had the great good fortune to sail both, including sailing Shamrock with Frank Murdoch, her original rig designer, onboard back in  the 1980's.

Compared to any AC boats that came after them, they are stately, but cumbersome beasts.

+ 1. Having the chance to sail them is not given to everybody, good for you. You sailed some of the AC historic and iconic boats.

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1 hour ago, See Level said:

The Fuck?

 

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Crikey is that the new S&S AC75 being launched.

Foil arms are pretty extraordinaire

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4 hours ago, ~HHN92~ said:

Looks like an original 1992 design with the destroyer bow.

Pretty sure that is USA 34, built for the 1995 AC which was won by NZL 32. Dennis won the Citizen Cup in USA 34, but it was such a dog that he chose not to sail it in the AC, sailing Young America instead. USA 34 had an unusual main shroud chainplate arrangement that allowed shifting the mast position quite a bit to change the balance of the boat. It didn't help.

NZL 32 was far superior to any of the potential challengers or defenders. Probably the second fastest boat that year was AUS 35, but it's hard to win races when you break in half and sink.

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4 hours ago, accnick said:

Pretty sure that is USA 34, built for the 1995 AC which was won by NZL 32. Dennis won the Citizen Cup in USA 34, but it was such a dog that he chose not to sail it in the AC, sailing Young America instead. USA 34 had an unusual main shroud chainplate arrangement that allowed shifting the mast position quite a bit to change the balance of the boat. It didn't help.

In the last 5 minutes of the yt video above, the owner says it was from 1995 (so USA-34), and that it was "the only Stars & Stripes not to sail in the America's cup" so consistent with history.

The adjustable chainplates are clearly visible in the video, they use them for lifting.

The "destroyer bow", appears to be a bunch of crazy panels bolted to it with beads of sealant. Pretty strange thing to do to a boat, especially floating it like that.

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1 hour ago, mogs said:

In the last 5 minutes of the yt video above, the owner says it was from 1995 (so USA-34), and that it was "the only Stars & Stripes not to sail in the America's cup" so consistent with history.

The adjustable chainplates are clearly visible in the video, they use them for lifting.

The "destroyer bow", appears to be a bunch of crazy panels bolted to it with beads of sealant. Pretty strange thing to do to a boat, especially floating it like that.

USA 34 originally had what we referred to as a "metre boat" bow, with a single pronounced knuckle well above the waterline and fairly long overhangs forward. With a true destroyer bow, the knuckle is actually just below the surface, so there is no point of inflection in the stem profile above the waterline. Chris Dickson's boat NZL 39, a Farr design, was one of the early destroyer bows in the ACC Class in 1995.

Stars & Stripes competed, but was neither the challenger nor defender in 1992, 2000, or 2003, plus the unusual situation in 1995 when Dennis sailed PACT's boat in the Match. So no, USA 34 was not even close to being the only Stars & Stripes not to sail in the Cup match. Boats named S&S sailed in the Match (and won) in 1987 (Fremantle) and 1988 (DoG match cat vs dog, San Diego).

 

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1 hour ago, accnick said:

Stars & Stripes competed, but was neither the challenger nor defender in 1992, 2000, or 2003, plus the unusual situation in 1995 when Dennis sailed PACT's boat in the Match. So no, USA 34 was not even close to being the only Stars & Stripes not to sail in the Cup match. Boats named S&S sailed in the Match (and won) in 1987 (Fremantle) and 1988 (DoG match cat vs dog, San Diego).

Thanks, kinda knew as soon as I'd posted that it probably wasn't the whole truth.

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17 minutes ago, Ex-yachtie said:

Two boats?

Yeah looks like it, there is absolutely no context in the trailer as to why they are on the boats.

There does appear to be a time manipulation theme to the film, so maybe they're trying to go back and help Jimmy go faster.

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Sadly, We are stripping down 2x IACC boats, 21 & 40, can be purchased for a very good price complete, otherwise all equipment will be sold or sent to scrap yard.

Both have inboard diesel engines and were in commercial survey so plenty of gear.

Any interest contact me asap, as they wont be around for long.

In Brisbane, Australia

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Don’t know if you’ve seen the very cool clips which ETNZ has been pumping out on their Facebook page... telling the stories of their previous cup boats, and how they nearly all broke some sort of mould.  #InCrazyWeBelieve is the catchline, I think.

Just saw the latest one about NZL20, which pointed out that sometimes crazy just doesn’t work - and that you only see the results three years later.  It ends on a shot of NZL 32.

BUT, I’m almost certain this is NZL 60 (the TV One logo on the side, and the shape of the bow suggests it is)... while the spinnaker has the TVNZ logo on it, as it did in 1995.

 

(I know, I know, not massively important... I’m just surprised that they’d put all this work into an ad campaign, and not have the right boat!)

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On 3/23/2020 at 4:05 PM, Allante said:

Sadly, We are stripping down 2x IACC boats, 21 & 40, can be purchased for a very good price complete, otherwise all equipment will be sold or sent to scrap yard.

Both have inboard diesel engines and were in commercial survey so plenty of gear.

Any interest contact me asap, as they wont be around for long.

In Brisbane, Australia

Any chance of some recent photos?

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On 3/28/2020 at 2:02 PM, monosailor said:

Any chance of some recent photos?

Here is some before we shrink wrapped them

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On 4/14/2020 at 1:02 PM, Woolfy said:

That really is a work of art.

Gorgeous, I recall seeing it sitting little used at Southport many moons ago.  IIRC it wasn't even created to be an AC challenger.  Baron Bich got Britt chance to design him a boat, then had it built by Herman Egger in Switzerland - hence the name.  Under the nationality rules at the time it was never going to be eligible to sail for France.  It was used as a design input to Bich's first 12, France 1. 

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On 4/14/2020 at 1:15 PM, Priscilla said:

View from the throne.

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if that's the state of the bathroom, i wonder what the rest of the boat looks like :lol:

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47 minutes ago, Priscilla said:

 

That was the best thing that every happened to the America's Cup, for any number of reasons.

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From today's front page....

Wondering what happened to AmericaOne USA-61???

Last reported in Europe as Oracle's promo boat in 2007.

http://valenciasailing.blogspot.com/2007/02/bmw-oracles-usa-61-in-valencia.html?m=1

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1 hour ago, usa318 said:

Wondering what happened to AmericaOne USA-61???

USA-61 on display Munich Airport.

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2000 Louis Vuitton final was a cracker

 

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Is there any chance of NZL-92 and 84 being relaunched for tourists like the other explore NZ iacc's or are they too dilapidated? Also where is SUI-100?

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7 minutes ago, Raptorsailor said:

Is there any chance of NZL-92 and 84 being relaunched for tourists like the other explore NZ iacc's or are they too dilapidated? Also where is SUI-100?

Perhaps you forgot..NZ has no tourists. Explore will be 100% mothballed for ages.

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19 hours ago, Priscilla said:

USA-61 on display Munich Airport.

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2000 Louis Vuitton final was a cracker

 

That video was great. Did anyone count the number of times that green chute tore across the middle during that series?  The sailmakers cringed every time it went up. It was fast, but fragile. They got very good at changing spinnakers, and repairing it overnight.

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Remarkable Louis Vuitton final considering AmericaOne had 2 DNF and the final was 4 all decided in the last race 9.

 

Final

Team I II III IV V VI VII VIII IX Pts
Italy Prada Challenge W +1:33 W W +0:34 +0:09 +1:06 W W 5
United States AmericaOne +0:25 W DNF DNF W W W +0:37 +0:49 4

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I always wonder what might have been if AmericaOne hadn't had all that gear failure or if S&S didn't lose a point in Ruddergate. Both were really well-sailed boats, though I don't know if either would have had better luck against TNZ with Coutts and Butterworth in their prime.

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Good grief :huh: thats one way to hike I guess :unsure:

 

A fascinating shot!

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On 4/22/2020 at 9:41 PM, Priscilla said:

USA-61 on display Munich Airport.

That photo was taken in 2005, a long time ago.

I passed through MUC last year, and stayed at the Hilton.  Walked through the plaza to the Edeka market on the kitty corner  and didn't notice any AC boats on display, but some construction.

Here it is in Feb 2018

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After that photo from 2007, the trail seems to be cold.

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21 hours ago, Priscilla said:

Weatherly 1962

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About as useful as holding both arms extended, outboard. But it looks spectacular, right?

 

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I seem to remember reading that Sverige was the only 12 to have a tiller, at least in the postwar AC era. Looks like a lot of weather helm in that shot.

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16 hours ago, Sisu3360 said:

I seem to remember reading that Sverige was the only 12 to have a tiller, at least in the postwar AC era. Looks like a lot of weather helm in that shot.

Either weather helm or he's just seen that big arse metal bouy and done a big duck to miss it! :D

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32 minutes ago, Jethrow said:

Either weather helm or he's just seen that big arse metal bouy and done a big duck to miss it! :D

Yep. Just steering the course round the buoy I'd say, judging by the stern swing and the lower woollies on the genoa.

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