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Looks like a small Farr design...

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......a fixed prod?!? :mellow::blink:

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A sail less boat with no doors or windows or other stuff on it ... or maybe half of a new foiling catamaran ... or ... I dunno.

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A 15 ft dinghy with a fixed prod, kite chute, no centreboard case and a mini cabinette where the foredeck goes??

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not a pretty boat, that's what it is, and it's certainly way smaller than 40 feet: check your compass ryandoesnotsail!

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Gaff rigged to boot:

 

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That surprised me when I looked at the pics. Wonder why they went that route with the rig (for transport if I'm guessing the French)?

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Gaff rigged to boot:

 

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That surprised me when I looked at the pics. Wonder why they went that route with the rig?

 

The person requesting the design wanted it traditional and the rig is smaller when breaking the boat down, according to the translation.

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smaller spars to manipulate when winterizing the boat, or when moving the boat from one spot to another by the road.

 

the keel retracts quite fully in the hull, and there is a "energy accumulation system" to help moving it (no more precisions)

the kite is droped in the deck - as for a 5o5 dinghy (don't know the name for "avaleur de spi" in english)

 

doesn't seems bad for a dayboat with no racing ambitions

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NIce boat for a very nice place/

 

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"Avaleur de spi" would be, literally, "spinnaker swallower" but would be translated, in 505 parlance, as a "spinnaker launcher", with a sock extending under the deck, attached to the launcher, to store the spinnaker when not in use.

 

An interesting design. Was hoping it might be an IRC 30 but no luck. :)

 

smaller spars to manipulate when winterizing the boat, or when moving the boat from one spot to another by the road.

 

the keel retracts quite fully in the hull, and there is a "energy accumulation system" to help moving it (no more precisions)

the kite is droped in the deck - as for a 5o5 dinghy (don't know the name for "avaleur de spi" in english)

 

doesn't seems bad for a dayboat with no racing ambitions

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IT IS A CAMEL. It will lose value fast as the owner realises it is neither a competitive sports boat, nor a comfortable overnighter. The cabin is a joke, and pretty soon the crew will get tired of it being in the way. I predict the cabin will be shortened in an attempt to make it competitive, and within a year it will be virtually worthless. The owner will give up sailing, realising he has wasted a huuge amount of money and the crew will shift elsewhere. Seen the cycle before. Its sad.

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Or, the owner lives on the far side of a bridge with an occasionally drunk tender (likes his red wine) who HATES sailboats and has frustrated Pierre countless weekends. Now the fleet trophy shall be his, as gaff riggers are traditionally given a 10 second per mile advantage in the local rating system. The centerboard and easily dipped gaff rig allows the owner to dry sail the boat from his backyard boat lift, with or without the fiendish bridge tender's cooperation, at a fraction of the cost of comparable slip fees and bottom cleaning!

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Is mainsheet system the final setup ?

 

has skiff like arrangement at transom and - or perhaps that is half back stay arrangement - do you have backstay arrangement on gaff rig ?

 

mainsheet goes forward from pulley ?

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Can some explain the canting retractable keel? The keel is partially retractable for beaching but cants? This just seems like a waste of weight.

 

The gaff rig is only slightly longer than the mast. When not use a regular mast rig?

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It's not a canting keel. Just moves up and down around an axis in the head

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Is mainsheet system the final setup ?

 

has skiff like arrangement at transom and - or perhaps that is half back stay arrangement - do you have backstay arrangement on gaff rig ?

 

mainsheet goes forward from pulley ?

 

Traditional gaff rigs have running backstays. Frequently on highfield levers or similar. Looks like this is small enough to rely just on swept shrouds.

 

Looks like the mainsheet has a 2:1 tackle inside the boom.

 

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Can some explain the canting retractable keel? The keel is partially retractable for beaching but cants? This just seems like a waste of weight.

 

The gaff rig is only slightly longer than the mast. When not use a regular mast rig?

 

Swing keel/ballasted centreboard.

 

On a quick check, the mast looks to be the same length as the sparred length of the boat - transom to bowsprit tip. (Doubt she'll have a cranse iron).

 

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That's a lot of derriere for a single rudder

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That's a lot of derriere for a single rudder

 

I seem to recall going on a date with a girl like that once.

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If that is a 6.5 metre boat, the v berth is only about 1.3 metres long with nowhere to put your feet. Perhaps its designed for midgets with deep pockets.

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If that is a 6.5 metre boat, the v berth is only about 1.3 metres long with nowhere to put your feet. Perhaps its designed for midgets with deep pockets.

Open the anchor locker and rest your feet on the bowsprit. Think of it as a sunroof, only different.

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