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2014 Figaro starts today

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Preview Article went on front page shortly before the start. 170 miles in, virtually the entire fleet is within four miles of one another and 2 past mini transat winners in 30th and 32nd. Such a brutally competitive and unforgiving fleet. Virtual restart under Isle of Wight that shuffled the rankings and forecast looks like the same may happen on the last leg of this step, when headed from brittny to Plymouth. La Solitaire blows my mind every time I follow it.

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Boats are moving up and down 20 places in 12 hours. Crazy close racing. And yet Yann seems to be slowly moving to front without making mistakes.

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Boats Closer to the English coast will have more pressure over the next bit,(Ya think)and then they all sail into a hole in 24 hours with the course they is racing.......,fun times........Melihat (SMA) is holding a good position for a shift yet may be too wide.The lead keeps changing its great..

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Yeah, can't be comfortable dropping the stick so close and (apparently ?) somewhat to windward of the rock...

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Congrats to Alexis Loison,had my money on Meilhat(SMA),still he finished 7th,17something minutes behind the leaders.That would of been fun racing that close all the time...

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I plead ignorance to the french word Quessant,

 

is this a no go zone on the race course? Cheers D

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I plead ignorance to the french word Quessant,

 

is this a no go zone on the race course? Cheers D

Ouessant (Ushant) not Quesssant.

I guess that you are referring to the TSS (traffic separation scheme) DST in French.

Ushant is one of (if not The) busiest ones.

4 x TSS to avoid on that leg.

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I plead ignorance to the french word Quessant,

 

is this a no go zone on the race course? Cheers D

Ouessant (Ushant) not Quesssant.

I guess that you are referring to the TSS (traffic separation scheme) DST in French.

Ushant is one of (if not The) busiest ones.

4 x TSS to avoid on that leg.

my bad,should double and triple check stuff before you post it,no wonder I didn't get a translation..LMAO :ph34r:

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Elies leading as the fleet approaches Fastnet Rock. Nothing can stop this guy... Absolutely incredible. He may have virtually zero chance of winning La Solitaire, but he will still be a fun one to watch. With all the TSS zones and the marks on course, it's like herding sheep. Little chance for major tactical splits. Just straight boat speed test. Love how close the Figaro circuit races...

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Elies leading as the fleet approaches Fastnet Rock. Nothing can stop this guy... Absolutely incredible. He may have virtually zero chance of winning La Solitaire, but he will still be a fun one to watch. With all the TSS zones and the marks on course, it's like herding sheep. Little chance for major tactical splits. Just straight boat speed test. Love how close the Figaro circuit races...

Ronnie,

From the audio-interviews Yann Elies set himself a new goal: catching up on Jean le Cam leg-victories record: 10.(he already had 8) So he wants to get both remaining legs !!

He was originally trying to be the only guy ever to win 3 Figaros on a row, something he has no chance to do any ever, now.

 

Poupon, Desjoyeaux and Le Cam have 3 split wins each , Beyou is one of those to have 2, so he stands a chance to mix with the oldies now.

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Oh. I thought King Jean was the only 3-time winner... Thanks. Beyou could also end up in the "3 crowd" after this La Solitaire...

 

I am still amazed at what Yann is doing. The be at the front, consistently, against such a large, talent-rich, well-prepared one design fleet is simply phenomenal. High time he gets a VG sponsor and goes again if you ask me.

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Oh. I thought King Jean was the only 3-time winner... Thanks. Beyou could also end up in the "3 crowd" after this La Solitaire...

 

I am still amazed at what Yann is doing. The be at the front, consistently, against such a large, talent-rich, well-prepared one design fleet is simply phenomenal. High time he gets a VG sponsor and goes again if you ask me.

Besides the fact that Jean's character always stood above the crowd, his 3 wins struck more as he got them in a 5 years period while both others needed a "come back" 12 years span for Poupon (although the 1st one to get it) 15 years for Mich Desj both after having won RdR, Ostar and the like.

 

VG: Following the race, it strikes me how different the Solitaire is from the VG: details and reactivity v/s stratégies and long term stamina.

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I get that the VG is a completely different race and as a result rewards different skillsets, but I love the idea of the figaro as a proving ground and a test-bed to see who is the very best at solo sailing.

 

on that note, Yann has done it! Ninth career stage win.

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VG: Following the race, it strikes me how different the Solitaire is from the VG: details and reactivity v/s stratégies and long term stamina.

 

The most hectic days in the Vendee are maybe the normal days in the Solitaire Figaro :)

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VG: Following the race, it strikes me how different the Solitaire is from the VG: details and reactivity v/s stratégies and long term stamina.

The most hectic days in the Vendee are maybe the normal days in the Solitaire Figaro :)

 

 

Hi Leo,

 

Yup if you take the latest stage, it has been (in my view) looking at the clouds and wind force and angle changes as much as overall navigation, not forgetting to "make" the tidal gates (rail crossings as we used to say in the RORC days -à la Tour de France for cyclists - ;) ;))

Add to this the need to keep ahead in regatta-like early miles then having to constantly race the 2 or 3 next boats, I followed two boats in particular, they never where more than 1/2 nm apart (one way and the other) for 200 miles from Fastnet to finish line.

 

Quite different from looking at the big meteorological picture and sailing in one's own corner of the ocean.

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Leg 3 is on.

With a superb - which would look just normal when you live there - "down into the tide stream" option by Hardy (AGIR) and Rivet (DFDS).

 

+ D1 broken on Delahaye's MACIF : D1 again ? in 18 knots ??

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oh, that's what happened.... thanks moody. good for Beyou to win Figaro #3...

 

edit: pure class exhibited by Delahaye. Back to the dock after the start, slapped on a new D1 and then re-started. Says he's not stressed as he believes there will be a 'restart' with the tides that will allow him to catch up. Well played Fabien, well played.

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oh, that's what happened.... thanks moody. good for Beyou to win Figaro #3...

 

edit: pure class exhibited by Delahaye. Back to the dock after the start, slapped on a new D1 and then re-started. Says he's not stressed as he believes there will be a 'restart' with the tides that will allow him to catch up. Well played Fabien, well played.

Delahayes's confidence is great but I do not see any tidal gate after Raz de Sein, he may count on some wind-holee park-up on the way to the Met buoy but ......

 

PS: Shortly before I wrote the above post they passed in front of home, Hardy and Rivet were taking the lead, interesting to watch things in real in a place one knows, obviously the fleet was favoring staying close to the competition over navigation. The fleet was missing a knot of favorable tide.

Those having gone North of Batz Isle should have gybed towards the shore earlier and I wondered if I would have not been slightly further inshore than Hardy.

But: who am I? if they play "no risk" there must be a reason.

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Come on Sam!!!

Hi Potter, I guess that you are referring to Sam Matson: do you know what happened to him in the start course? at one point he went backwards then turned on again dead last ?

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Hi Potter, I guess that you are referring to Sam Matson: do you know what happened to him in the start course? at one point he went backwards then turned on again dead last ?

Actually I was shouting for Sam Goodchild. Currently No.1 in the Classement. He has had good early and middle parts of each leg, but always faded later, so am hoping he can stay up around the lead pack.

 

Sam Matson has had an awesome start to his Figaro career. Not sure what happened on this leg, but have not been watching closely, was out corporate racing in my slowest ever Round the Island this weekend.

 

I am really pleased that we are starting to see the Artemis Academy produce strength and depth. Artemis have been amazing supporters for British Sailing over the last decade...especially when you consider that they were led down the garden path early on over the IMOCA 60 campaign.

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Hi Potter, I guess that you are referring to Sam Matson: do you know what happened to him in the start course? at one point he went backwards then turned on again dead last ?

Actually I was shouting for Sam Goodchild. Currently No.1 in the Classement. He has had good early and middle parts of each leg, but always faded later, so am hoping he can stay up around the lead pack.

 

Sam Matson has had an awesome start to his Figaro career. Not sure what happened on this leg, but have not been watching closely, was out corporate racing in my slowest ever Round the Island this weekend.

 

I am really pleased that we are starting to see the Artemis Academy produce strength and depth. Artemis have been amazing supporters for British Sailing over the last decade...especially when you consider that they were led down the garden path early on over the IMOCA 60 campaign.

 

 

I am in full agreement with you.

 

- Sam Goodchild has been very good and clear-sighting in this leg. He was better at Raz de Sein than the fleet -except Gildas Morvan, who did what sounded logical to my old eyes confined in an armchair, against the tide- .

Play it back on the race-map. ;)

 

- I have always admired Artemis move in their sponsorship efforts and I feel that this really pays off this year. "Depth" is impressive, the newbies are always right in the middle of the fleet with decent speed and not many mistakes in the end. Great for UK yachting.

 

PS: Hopefully you had some time for a swim somewhere along the Island, pity you did not have a Folkboat, quarter tonner, or pre-war 40' :)))

 

Edit: 13.28 BST, Sam being very clever again at Kerdonis (Belle Ile S.E tip)

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Looks like it is over for Fabien. :(

 

The D1 curse?

 

I suppose that being so far behind, he can try a "Troussel" as being 15 hours behind or 5 hours behind won't have much effect on the final result thus if he sees an opportunity it is worth taking big risks.

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moody frog was right. no tidal gate for Fabien to get back in the race. Really bummed to see him DNF leg three. geez, how many times have we seen a dismasting or rigging failure cause a leader to drop out of a Figaro race this year alone? Gildas in the AG2R, Yann and Fabien both while leading Solitaire. lame.

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moody frog was right. no tidal gate for Fabien to get back in the race. Really bummed to see him DNF leg three. geez, how many times have we seen a dismasting or rigging failure cause a leader to drop out of a Figaro race this year alone? Gildas in the AG2R, Yann and Fabien both while leading Solitaire. lame.

Yes, bummer for Fabien, now I thought twice about his DNF last night.

As DNF he will get the time of the last boat + 2 hours and ... he was kind of 18-20 nm behind the last boat (that's 4 hours at 5 knots) ;);)

 

Dismasting is this year only, is not it ?

Gildas Morvan AG2R: Guess what broke ? D1 !!, in the PR at the time Gildas mentioned recurring problems since 2013 on rigging.

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the rich get richer...the lead pack may look very good in a few hours,i said may....not much wind at all...

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the rich get richer...the lead pack may look very good in a few hours,i said may....not much wind at all...

Interesting to see that any one in the rich group is star-studded !

Now everybody must be exhausted, not many opportunities to sleep for 36 hours beating tide next to rocks then fighting very light winds !

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Kinda like watching and playing a computer game....ha except you know that they are at it all the time.....

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suppose that being so far behind, he can try a "Troussel" as being 15 hours behind or 5 hours behind won't have much effect on the final result thus if he sees an opportunity it is worth taking big risks.

 

It is easy to be wise with hindsight and I hadn't seen it before.

 

If he had sailed staying east of the direct route I think he might have managed to get back in contact with what is now the second group who got themselve stuck before the mark in a windless zone and seem to have lost about 4-5 hours.

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34 miles to go, 0.4 miles between first and second, down from 1 mile. The grind is on. Can Elies hold them off? There are guys making moves to the east. Christ, that must be stressful.

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They will be tired and willing to take rest by now,.....so that wont be happening so close to a finish :P

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27 seconds 1st (Mahe) to 2nd (Elies)

pretty amazing stuff

 

 

Brutal.

to say the least....congrats to Mahe

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Its going to turn into a drag race for the next twelve hours,...........whoever is at the front of the grid when the breeze shifts will again make more out of it.

 

Looks like a fun time in Summer......freezing here. :ph34r:

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wow,not long now,and again anyones race....happy to see P Meilhat in the hunt,..............he had a lead a couple of hours ago.....Go Paul. :wacko:

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Nice podium,

 

Global statistics:

almost 13 days of race time, 4 legs.

nr 2 at 18 minutes, difference legs to nr 1; +15,-1,+1,+3

nr 3 at 27 minutes ,difference legs to nr 1; +3,+12,+4+7

 

And nr 19 can say he finished within 90 seconds behind Gaultier :)

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