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http://www.compositesworld.com/news/oracle-team-usa-receives-carbon-fiber-recycling-award

 

Applied research specialist SCRA (Charleston, S.C., USA) announced on Sept. 11 that it hs awarded racing yacht manufacturer and America's Cup winner Oracle Team USA an ReXC award. Together with MIT-RCF (Lake City, S.C., USA), SCRA recognized Oracle Team USA for its intelligent design and commercial integration of reclaimed carbon fiber from composites. The award is designed to honor the leaders in innovative reuse of recycled carbon-fiber composite materials.

Oracle Team USA recycled two of its racing yachts, recovering carbon from the boats and repurposing that recycled material into a mold for the next-generation watercraft. The carbon was recovered using a closed-loop process in a geothermal plant and was then shipped to Team Oracle USA's supplier, Core Composites (Bristol, R.I.,USA), for repurposing. The reclaimed material is more economically efficient and is becoming a standardized raw material used to make the molds for composites. The unused, recycled carbon fiber was sent to MIT-RCF.

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Still can't figure out what the killer app is that'd make the Apple Watch special, so this would make a much nicer wrist piece if it were as affordable:

http://www.francemobiles.com/actualites/tag-heuer-a-decide-de-commercialiser-une-montre-concurrente-a-l-apple-watch-14040.html

 

gtran https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&nv=1&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.francemobiles.com/actualites/tag-heuer-a-decide-de-commercialiser-une-montre-concurrente-a-l-apple-watch-14040.html&usg=ALkJrhi1u6OosXwUl1iNgnu8ytNG0bHmKQ

 

Hth can it display those measurements? An AW could interface w my iPhone but does this thing need an OTUSA AC72 nearby??

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nice ink. from

http://www.compositesworld.com/news/oracle-team-usa-receives-carbon-fiber-recycling-award

 

Applied research specialist SCRA (Charleston, S.C., USA) announced on Sept. 11 that it hs awarded racing yacht manufacturer and America's Cup winner Oracle Team USA an ReXC award. Together with MIT-RCF (Lake City, S.C., USA), SCRA recognized Oracle Team USA for its intelligent design and commercial integration of reclaimed carbon fiber from composites. The award is designed to honor the leaders in innovative reuse of recycled carbon-fiber composite materials.

Oracle Team USA recycled two of its racing yachts, recovering carbon from the boats and repurposing that recycled material into a mold for the next-generation watercraft. The carbon was recovered using a closed-loop process in a geothermal plant and was then shipped to Team Oracle USA's supplier, Core Composites (Bristol, R.I.,USA), for repurposing. The reclaimed material is more economically efficient and is becoming a standardized raw material used to make the molds for composites. The unused, recycled carbon fiber was sent to MIT-RCF.

 

Maybe answers the question of whether or not OB2 was 'cut up' or not.

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Still can't figure out what the killer app is that'd make the Apple Watch special

Clubhouse bar opening times.

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^ True

 

Nice enough piece:

 

MEET PHILIPPE PRESTI, COACH EXTRAORDINAIRE AND PSYCHOLOGIST TO AMERICA'S CUP ROCK STARS.

 

The Oracle Racing Team was outat least thats how it appeared when they trailed Emirates Team New Zealand eight races to one during the 34th Americas Cup in San Francisco. Heads were hung low, says Philippe Presti, who had 20 minutes onboard the giant catamaran between races to somehow redirect his team toward a miracle, while Emirates Team New Zealand needed only one more win to take the Cup from the rich and powerful defender.

http://www.sailingworld.com/racing/oracle-coach-philippe-presti-voice-reason?dom=slw&loc=contentwell&lnk=oracle-coach-philippe-presti-a-voice-of-reason?src=SOC&dom=fb

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Still can't figure out what the killer app is that'd make the Apple Watch special......

 

Eheman has apparently commissioned a '24/7 everything TUSA does is brilliant and must never be questioned' app and a 'disparaging the worthy opposition to the point it is written up as unsportsmanlike in sailing publications' app.

 

Are those the killer apps you hope for - or must you now fear redundancy? :(

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Wow, a Conspiracy App - you could make millions!

"The Grand Excuse App"

 

Because its always somebody else's fault.

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You don't cut it

If your asking whether I'm circumcised?...

 

I'm not telling you unless you say "please".

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Mentioned already in some thread but from RC on FaceBook, I mostly agree the order.

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This time last year was the conclusion of the closest and most exciting final in America's Cup history.

 

Looking back, the key influences that turned the result in my view were:

1) Jimmy Spithill, his work ethic and his never say die attitude

2) Tom Slingsby and his persistent push towards upwind foiling

3) Ben Ainslie 'Calling tactics....how hard can it be?'

4) Paul Bieker 'I've got a few ideas about the rudder cavitation and I'll spend all night getting them on the boat'

5) JB and Tom Spear 'this is how we change the loading on the wing'

6) The grinders...Grind as hard and as long as it takes to trim the wing and foils for upwind foiling

7) The amazing support of the whole OTUSA team. No-one ever gave up. Very proud moment.

 

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The boat that won the 34th America's Cup, USA 17, moves downtown as part of Oracle OpenWorld 2014.

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Nice, and Brad is still good value.

 

Situated where it is, that boat's going to have some incredible visibility.

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Ok .. Now that the Herald has sparked off the debate for NZ's highest earning sportsman .. Here's my thinking on the top dogs

- Russell Coutts number one by daylight .. Remember he got a $50 million bonus for winning the America's Cup with Oracle.
- Brad Butterworth can't be discounted either .. Although not currently with a team , his salary with Alinghi was rumoured to be over $10 euros per year
- Scott Dixon would be in the top five ..

 

 

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Veitchy on Sport

 

 

 

 

 

 

his salary with Alinghi was rumoured to be over $10 euros per year

 

 

Wow, Ernesto was quite generous...

 

Hope BB didn't spend it all in one place.

Hell I make $10 euros an hour :-)

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Veitchy on Sport

 

 

 

 

 

 

his salary with Alinghi was rumoured to be over $10 euros per year

 

Wow, Ernesto was quite generous...

 

Hope BB didn't spend it all in one place.

Hell I make $10 euros an hour :-)

 

 

So do did those guys on the SF waterfront!

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The boat that won the 34th America's Cup, USA 17, moves downtown as part of Oracle OpenWorld 2014.

 

 

Yup... Good to see so why not sailing it, training on it etc I wonder???

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Mentioned already in some thread but from RC on FaceBook, I mostly agree the order.

--

 

This time last year was the conclusion of the closest and most exciting final in America's Cup history.

 

Looking back, the key influences that turned the result in my view were:

1) Jimmy Spithill, his work ethic and his never say die attitude

2) Tom Slingsby and his persistent push towards upwind foiling

3) Ben Ainslie 'Calling tactics....how hard can it be?'

4) Paul Bieker 'I've got a few ideas about the rudder cavitation and I'll spend all night getting them on the boat'

5) JB and Tom Spear 'this is how we change the loading on the wing'

6) The grinders...Grind as hard and as long as it takes to trim the wing and foils for upwind foiling

7) The amazing support of the whole OTUSA team. No-one ever gave up. Very proud moment.

 

--

 

Another important piece of the puzzle was the improvement of Kyle Langford after being pushed into replacing DdR.

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Mentioned already in some thread but from RC on FaceBook, I mostly agree the order.

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This time last year was the conclusion of the closest and most exciting final in America's Cup history.

Looking back, the key influences that turned the result in my view were:

1) Jimmy Spithill, his work ethic and his never say die attitude

2) Tom Slingsby and his persistent push towards upwind foiling

3) Ben Ainslie 'Calling tactics....how hard can it be?'

4) Paul Bieker 'I've got a few ideas about the rudder cavitation and I'll spend all night getting them on the boat'

5) JB and Tom Spear 'this is how we change the loading on the wing'

6) The grinders...Grind as hard and as long as it takes to trim the wing and foils for upwind foiling

7) The amazing support of the whole OTUSA team. No-one ever gave up. Very proud moment.

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Another important piece of the puzzle was the improvement of Kyle Langford after being pushed into replacing DdR.

Everyone talks about the " miraculous " gain in speed by Oracle and yet they want to attribute it to anything other than the most important guy on the boat responsible for just that gain , the trimmer . JS did a great job steering the boat but the man on the " throttle " was Kyle and he was improving every min he spent under way . It stands to reason it would take a few races to get their timing together but once they did the results were reflective of their skills and a superior boat , especially aerodynamically .

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Wow - TC actually commenting on PC statements on SA - never thought I'd hear that. Hi Mr. Pot :)

 

Go Kyle and Herbie !!

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Wealthiest American Sports Owners Rank Name Worth (In Billions) Team(s) 1 Steve Ballmer $22.5 Los Angeles Clippers 2 Paul Allen $17 Seattle Seahawks, Portland Trail Blazers 3 Phil Anschutz $11.1 Los Angeles Kings 4 Micky Arison $6.4 Miami Heat 5 Rich DeVos $6 Orlando Magic 6 Stephen Ross $6 Miami Dolphins 7 Stan Kroenke $5.7 Colorado Avalanche, St. Louis Rams, Denver Nuggets, Colorado Rapids, Arsenal 8 Terry Pegula $4.6 Buffalo Sabres, Buffalo Bills 9 Shahid Khan $4.5 Jacksonville Jaguars 10 Ted Lerner $4.5 Washington Nationals

 

 

Still a ways to go for the AC to be considered a sport I guess....

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Uncle Larry owns a sports team, Oracle Team USA, and he is worth close to 50 billion. :lol:

 

WetHog :ph34r:

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from http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/more-sports/twotime-americas-cup-winning-skipper-james-spithill-on-deck-to-win-world-sailor-of-the-year-crown/story-fni2frsp-1227078193712

 

The hero of Oracles extraordinary comeback to win the Americas Cup last year, the Sydney sailor will go head-to-head with an Australian Olympic crew for the prestigious honour after the five finalists for the top award in the sport were revealed.

 

Spithill is firm favourite to also win the title of World Sailor of the Year in November after

 

orchestrating one of the greatest comebacks in world sport, when Oracle came from 8-1 down to claim the Americas Cup exactly 30 years after Australia IIs historic victory.

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James Spithill (@JSpithill)

10/2/14, 6:42 AM

Feeling privileged by the nomination for the ISAF Rolex World Sailor of the Year Award for 2014, and instagram.com/p/tpvZnngci1/

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No but you could ask sports psychologist Sir Jimmy Spithill

 

Wallabies' task not impossible, says yachting great Jimmy Spithill

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/australia-rugby/wallabies-task-not-impossible-says-yachting-great-jimmy-spithill-20141017-116vw5.html

 

Jimmy Spithill, who led one of the greatest comebacks in sport skippering Oracle Team USA to victory in the America's Cup against Team New Zealand last year, has a message for the Wallabies whose backs are firmly against the wall.
As the Wallabies prepare to try for the "impossible" in many minds and beat the All Blacks in Brisbane on Saturday, Spithill, whose crew fought from 8-1 down in the cup to win 9-8, says: "First of all, it is not impossible. It is clearly possible".
"Do it for your mates and yourself second. To put on the gold jersey and run on and take on the All Blacks … it doesn't get any better than that. bla bla bla....
Background for those not up to speed on rugby: The Australian national rugby team the Wallabies (Wonnabies, wobblies,...) take on the All Blacks (NZ national team and the premium sporting team followed by all but 3 New Zealanders). NZ have already secured the trophies (Bledisloe cup and the Rugby Championship (Sth Africa, NZ, Aust, Argentina)) This game is important for physco reasons as the World Cup is next year. the Rugby World Cup is said to be the 3 rd largest sporting event after Olympics and Football/soccer world cup. A true international event that yachting could look to when it tries to develop it's premier sporting event

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Oh shit - but ACEA told SF that AC biggest event after World Cup.

 

...and probably San Diego, Chicago, and Bermuda too...

 

What is this "rugby" thing anyway - Is there contact? 😊

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Oh shit - but ACEA told SF that AC biggest event after World Cup.

 

...and probably San Diego, Chicago, and Bermuda too...

 

What is this "rugby" thing anyway - Is there contact?

Lots of smoke being blown by lots of people....

 

Well, by now most municipalities have figured the sports promotion game out (except perhaps Bermuda) and have woken up to the economic impact bullshit that flies around these events. It seems only the dictatorships/wannabe players of Beijing and Kazakhstan are putting forward offers for the 2020 Olympics. Norway figured out they couldn't afford it.

 

The "largest sporting event" the World Cup promised $6 billion in economic benefits. Not even close. But egos and self-promotion never sleeps. Heck, the US Open Tennis Tournament promised NYC $420 million in economic benefits from its 2 week tournament..the equivalent of 3% of all NYC visitors for last year coming just to watch some kids serve and volley in Forest Hills. Yeah, like that happened.

 

So maybe SF should consider its self lucky it only lost $12 million.

 

And maybe RC should figure out that while the AC is lots of fun and exciting its is not going to possible to monetize it or make anybody (except him and Jimmy and a couple of others) sustainably rich.

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James Spithill (@JSpithill)

10/2/14, 6:42 AM

Feeling privileged by the nomination for the ISAF Rolex World Sailor of the Year Award for 2014, and instagram.com/p/tpvZnngci1/

 

Well there's part of the problem right there. You should feel honored by an award, not privileged by one.

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Does anyone know anything about the presentation OTUSA is holding in New York with Airbus next week?

Announcing the technical partnership that will create an even better Herbie?

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Does anyone know anything about the presentation OTUSA is holding in New York with Airbus next week?

shhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Does anyone know anything about the presentation OTUSA is holding in New York with Airbus next week?

shhhhhhhhhhhhhh

You guys dying to break the embargo, eh?

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at http://www.kqed.org/tv/programs/index.jsp?pgmid=20444

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Upcoming Broadcasts:

 

Technology Under Sail (#301H) Duration: 53:13 STEREO TVG

Defenders of the 34th America's Cup, Oracle Team USA knows a thing or two about smooth sailing under pressure. John Hollar of the Computer History Museum and representatives from Oracle Team USA and the America's Cup as they discuss the challenges and impact of sailing technology.

 

UPCOMING BROADCASTS:

KQED Plus: Tue, Oct 21, 2014 -- 7:00pm

KQED Plus: Wed, Oct 22, 2014 -- 1:00am

KQED Plus: Thu, Oct 23, 2014 -- 11:00pm

KQED Plus: Fri, Oct 24, 2014 -- 5:00am

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at http://www.kqed.org/tv/programs/index.jsp?pgmid=20444

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Upcoming Broadcasts:

 

Technology Under Sail (#301H) Duration: 53:13 STEREO TVG

Defenders of the 34th America's Cup, Oracle Team USA knows a thing or two about smooth sailing under pressure. John Hollar of the Computer History Museum and representatives from Oracle Team USA and the America's Cup as they discuss the challenges and impact of sailing technology.

 

UPCOMING BROADCASTS:

KQED Plus: Tue, Oct 21, 2014 -- 7:00pm

KQED Plus: Wed, Oct 22, 2014 -- 1:00am

KQED Plus: Thu, Oct 23, 2014 -- 11:00pm

KQED Plus: Fri, Oct 24, 2014 -- 5:00am

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Great video - interesting perspective from those participating, especially Stan Honey.

 

Where are all those that said AC343 sucked ?

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00:48:00

 

Fresh discusses the use of Stan's data gathered from the Challengers to gain advantage for TUSA (while they provided no data on their own performance) - as pointed out here at the time (and denied).

 

Nice discussion - relaxed format.

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Yes, caught that 'nice little advantage' too. To me that seemed unfair and argued as much here several times. But in hindsight it really didn't help OR since they still got completely blindsided by ETNZ's speed when the actual Match started. There is another video somewhere, post AC34, where Stan Honey talks about how hard he had to bite his lip when hearing OR's confidence going in.

 

I had seen and enjoyed this one before; was initially disappointed to realize it was the same video but after another watch am instead pleased. Thanks for the link, nroose.

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BS it didn't help them.

 

1. They had the full specs of the TNZ boat (they had their local drug dealer with high powered cameras at the Viaduct taking photos day in, day out, every time TNZ lifted their boat out of the water)

 

2. They had a full set of performance figures

 

They just needed to put them in their models and analyse where their weaknesses were, and then design an advantage.

 

This was not the biggest comeback in history of sport - it was almost the biggest cock-up in sport. For the first time in AC history, the faster boat almost did not win

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BS it didn't help them.

 

1. They had the full specs of the TNZ boat (they had their local drug dealer with high powered cameras at the Viaduct taking photos day in, day out, every time TNZ lifted their boat out of the water)

 

2. They had a full set of performance figures

 

They just needed to put them in their models and analyse where their weaknesses were, and then design an advantage.

 

This was not the biggest comeback in history of sport - it was almost the biggest cock-up in sport. For the first time in AC history, the faster boat almost did not win

Not really .

 

If what you say was true they never would have been 8 to 1 in the hole :)

 

Next ?

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BS it didn't help them.

 

1. They had the full specs of the TNZ boat (they had their local drug dealer with high powered cameras at the Viaduct taking photos day in, day out, every time TNZ lifted their boat out of the water)

 

2. They had a full set of performance figures

 

They just needed to put them in their models and analyse where their weaknesses were, and then design an advantage.

 

This was not the biggest comeback in history of sport - it was almost the biggest cock-up in sport. For the first time in AC history, the faster boat almost did not win

Not really .

 

If what you say was true they never would have been 8 to 1 in the hole :)

 

Next ?

 

 

No worries, nav will be along any minute.

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BS it didn't help them.

 

1. They had the full specs of the TNZ boat (they had their local drug dealer with high powered cameras at the Viaduct taking photos day in, day out, every time TNZ lifted their boat out of the water)

 

2. They had a full set of performance figures

 

They just needed to put them in their models and analyse where their weaknesses were, and then design an advantage.

 

This was not the biggest comeback in history of sport - it was almost the biggest cock-up in sport. For the first time in AC history, the faster boat almost did not win

I think there is an element of truth to this - and it pretty much mirrors what Ray Davies has resolved:

 

" I think at the end of the day they had more potential to get out of their boat than we had to get out of ours. We kind of tapped our potential earlier and the regatta dragged on and on and they got harder and harder to beat."

 

http://www.52superseries.com/rays-return-etnzs-davies-back-to-the-tp52-on-gladiator-in-ibiza/

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But in hindsight it really didn't help OR since they still got completely blindsided by ETNZ's speed when the actual Match started.

 

You should be a professional performance coach. Brilliant!

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But in hindsight it really didn't help OR since they still got completely blindsided by ETNZ's speed when the actual Match started.

You should be a professional performance coach. Brilliant!

Plenty of respectable insiders have said as much, OR did get surprised.

 

For example when GD was asked about it by Veitchy he spoke to some pretty big gains that ETNZ made between the LV and the Cup. Said they continued to improve even during the Cup races. Everyone was on a learning curve.

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But in hindsight it really didn't help OR since they still got completely blindsided by ETNZ's speed when the actual Match started.

 

You should be a professional performance coach. Brilliant!

 

This is just the AC45 'modification' defence trotted out again.....

 

i.e. Tried to gain an unfair advantage - but failed (according to the apologists), therefor all legit!?

 

Halo remains in place - they are winners* after all

 

* that's right - winners with an asterisk, you know why

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To change the topic a bit . . . . I am curious what sort of sailing various OR team members have done the past 6 months, either individually or as a team?

 

They (particularly the 'leaders') don't seem to be involved in the 'normal' places (x40's, TP25's, etc)

 

I understand there is no sponsor who needs/demands they get their name out there, but don't pro sailors benefit from sailing, particularly as a team?

 

Would not RC's "commercialization" efforts benefit from these guys more visibility participating/competing?

 

Would not it be a bit better for everyone, if just for example, this thread could be about recent sailing experiences, rather than the vacuum being filled by talk of their prior cheating and rule bending and advantage gaining attempts?

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JS said someplace recently that, starting in 2015, they will be ramping things way up. Maybe they're taking a well earned rest, playing with Moths and such. One team with a lot already going on is LR but even they aren't making much media splash.

 

It'll be interesting to see if anyone makes a move soon after the venue gets announced, we could even see test boats sailed there.

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^^ just seems a bit odd - both because of the commercial/PR aspects . . . but also at the top level of most sports I am familiar with a year and a half 'holiday' would really take the edge off your skills and make for a (seemingly unnecessary) big hill to climb. Perhaps sailing is really not that sort of perishable skill based sport - I don't know, as I am no where near that level. Fencing certainly was. A year break would drop you right out the bottom.

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One of the results of the, otherwise also disappointing for fans, 4 yr wait between AC34 and 35 is that not only might skills ebb a little despite the intervening racing but Age will play a big factor in who survives from 34 to 35 among, say, non-helms on boats this physically challenging. I think some teams will see a lot of turnover for that reason alone.

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One of the results of the, otherwise also disappointing for fans, 4 yr wait between AC34 and 35 is that not only might skills ebb a little despite the intervening racing but Age will play a big factor in who survives from 34 to 35 among, say, non-helms on boats this physically challenging. I think some teams will see a lot of turnover for that reason alone.

Some teams were significantly older to begin with, if I recall correctly.

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BS it didn't help them.

 

1. They had the full specs of the TNZ boat (they had their local drug dealer with high powered cameras at the Viaduct taking photos day in, day out, every time TNZ lifted their boat out of the water)

 

2. They had a full set of performance figures

 

They just needed to put them in their models and analyse where their weaknesses were, and then design an advantage.

 

This was not the biggest comeback in history of sport - it was almost the biggest cock-up in sport. For the first time in AC history, the faster boat almost did not win

The spy boat thing gets brought up enough that I have to ask you kiwi fans: do you realize that or1 and or2 were constantly shadowed by an NZ rib? I think I observed as much practice sessions as anyone not on a pay role and I can tell you that a common first confirmation that OR would be out was a NZ branded rib at high speed. NTTAWWT.

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One of the results of the, otherwise also disappointing for fans, 4 yr wait between AC34 and 35 is that not only might skills ebb a little despite the intervening racing but Age will play a big factor in who survives from 34 to 35 among, say, non-helms on boats this physically challenging. I think some teams will see a lot of turnover for that reason alone.

Some teams were significantly older to begin with, if I recall correctly.

Ya. Specifically OR avg age was 10 years younger than ETNZ, IIRC. I think that may have had something to do with their ability to come back.

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^ Comeback theory No. 54679

 


^^ Re: Spy boats.

did anyone bring that up? If so was it a kiwi?

- OTUSA was found to have be spying illegally, no one else was.

- Has anyone suggested ETNZ was not observing other teams?

- Obviously with the quality of data that OTUSA was getting through their incestuous relationship with ACRM/SH once the boats were in SF, there was probably little need for direct observation, but I'm sure you can confirm if they were still doing that in addition to their NSA style data grabbing.

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To make things clear:

 

I was talking about OR having complete visual access to the TNZ boat from day one. They took HD photos put them into their models along with the performance figures (from the LV series) and therefore had a very good idea of what their performance targets were and then knew where their design had to improve

 

If in any regatta you had the design and performance figures of your competitors and a (largish) budget to out design - that gives you a very good advantage.

 

For OR the key thing here is that they almost blew it! So rather than being sold as the biggest comeback it should be the biggest 'get out of jail"

 

Imagine LE if after the event he was told he had twice the budget, and the better boat, and yet still lost.

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if they were still doing that in addition to their NSA style data grabbing.

It is also well known that the NSA and other US services collaborate, find, and seek info for any major US company having issues related to the US national interest.

I guess AC is part of it ?

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AIRBUS and ORACLE TEAM USA forge technology partnership

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AIRBUS, the worlds leading aircraft manufacturer and ORACLE TEAM USA, the defending champion of the Americas Cup, have forged a technology partnership.

 

As Official Innovation Partner of ORACLE TEAM USA for the 35th Americas Cup, AIRBUS will share the know-how of its engineers and experts in fields such as aerodynamics, instrumentation and simulation, composites, structures, hydraulics and data analysis to work with the ORACLE TEAM USA design team.

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AIRBUS + ORTUSA does not equal a "perpetual challenge Cup for friendly competition between foreign countries". It's disgusting. Where's Boeing? And what must BAR and the French think of this?

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AIRBUS + ORTUSA does not equal a "perpetual challenge Cup for friendly competition between foreign countries". It's disgusting. Where's Boeing? And what must BAR and the French think of this?

And Toyota and Nestle are NZ based? And, JPMorgan Chase, while it has some historic ancestry from England, is clearly, firmly, a US based corporation, so perhaps you need to discuss that too...

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AIRBUS and ORACLE TEAM USA forge technology partnership

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AIRBUS, the worlds leading aircraft manufacturer and ORACLE TEAM USA, the defending champion of the Americas Cup, have forged a technology partnership.

 

As Official Innovation Partner of ORACLE TEAM USA for the 35th Americas Cup, AIRBUS will share the know-how of its engineers and experts in fields such as aerodynamics, instrumentation and simulation, composites, structures, hydraulics and data analysis to work with the ORACLE TEAM USA design team.

 

yeap, but the rumor was Cammas+Airbus, not Team USA!

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AIRBUS and ORACLE TEAM USA forge technology partnership

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AIRBUS, the worlds leading aircraft manufacturer and ORACLE TEAM USA, the defending champion of the Americas Cup, have forged a technology partnership.

 

As Official Innovation Partner of ORACLE TEAM USA for the 35th Americas Cup, AIRBUS will share the know-how of its engineers and experts in fields such as aerodynamics, instrumentation and simulation, composites, structures, hydraulics and data analysis to work with the ORACLE TEAM USA design team.

 

yeap, but the rumor was Cammas+Airbus, not Team USA!

 

 

Nothing is to say that Cammas can't be part of a design co-op, just like ETNZ and Luna Rossa were.

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Yawn - just as I thought: purely cosmetic, talk technology partnership is cheap, a PR move on both sides, no money changes hands.

 

OTT, Tom Speer's somber mien at 1:44 made me laugh: for an ex-Boeing guy it must be like being in bed with the Antichrist, fully expecting that whatever is discussed willl be relayed by each one of those Frog engineers to Cammas the same evening. If Team France is still(?) in, that is ..

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AIRBUS and ORACLE TEAM USA forge technology partnership

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AIRBUS, the worlds leading aircraft manufacturer and ORACLE TEAM USA, the defending champion of the Americas Cup, have forged a technology partnership.

 

As Official Innovation Partner of ORACLE TEAM USA for the 35th Americas Cup, AIRBUS will share the know-how of its engineers and experts in fields such as aerodynamics, instrumentation and simulation, composites, structures, hydraulics and data analysis to work with the ORACLE TEAM USA design team.

 

yeap, but the rumor was Cammas+Airbus, not Team USA!

 

 

Nothing is to say that Cammas can't be part of a design co-op, just like ETNZ and Luna Rossa were.

 

it doesn't look so. Here the official reaction from Team France:

 

http://www.team-france.org/2014/10/23/reaction-de-team-france-au-partenariat-technologique-passe-entre-oracle-team-usa-et-airbus/

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^

 

Again, "le savoir-faire français" (not British, German or Spanish) ..

 

Oh, and Jimmy calling Airbus "the world's leading aircraft mfr"

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Oh, and Jimmy calling Airbus "the world's leading aircraft mfr"

 

Please stop trolling. :)

 

Well it's at least nice to see that Airbus has engineers with spare time on their hands.

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^ In that second (longer) vid the commentator mentions riblets in the same sentence as foils - a possible clue to a facet of what they'll be collaborating on.

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^ In that second (longer) vid the commentator mentions riblets in the same sentence as foils - a possible clue to a facet of what they'll be collaborating on.

 

'Sharklettes', not riblets - so the tip vortex reducing extensions.

 

They'd look like rabbit ears if introduced on a symmetrical wing, and many hydrodynamic foils already have them

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^ In that second (longer) vid the commentator mentions riblets in the same sentence as foils - a possible clue to a facet of what they'll be collaborating on.

 

'Sharklettes', not riblets - so the tip vortex reducing extensions.

 

They'd look like rabbit ears if introduced on a symmetrical wing, and many hydrodynamic foils already have them

 

What had me confused there for a sec was from having read this article, from earlier in the day.

 

bold mine

 

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Much like its planes, Airbus will be analyzing the data closely.

"When they get a brand new plane for the first time, they fly it and log hundreds and hundreds of variables," explained Oracle Team USA project manager, Ian Burns.

"They are testing it and trying to improve the airplane." he said. "And this is exactly the same when we launch our boat and go sailing for the first time."

Perhaps Airbus will also take away a thing or two from its new water-based collaboration.

Already, the company has introduced a ridged texture much like shark's skin on its plane's wings, to improve air flow.

The worlds of flight and sail are not so dissimilar as they might seem. And somewhere between sky and sea, the next America's Cup will take place.

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Airbus like Boeing is of course a widespread globalized company but even in this case there's a touch of local in the news. Witchita is also iirc where Koch's A3 exhibit is located.

 

from http://m.bizjournals.com/wichita/blog/2014/10/wichita-could-help-airbus-push-oracle-to-another.html?r=full

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Airbus on Thursday announced a partnership with Oracle Team USA to help provide engineering support as the yachting team chases another America's Cup win in 2017.

 

And Wichita could help them sail to victory.

 

An Airbus spokesperson said the engineering team that will be helping the Oracle Team USA design team hasn't yet been finalized but that it is hoped engineers in Wichita will play a role.

 

Airbus Americas Engineering, located in Old Town, is the company's largest engineering office outside of Europe.

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Already, the company has introduced a ridged texture much like shark's skin on its plane's wings, to improve air flow

 

That's what I said, riblets are outlawed by the Rule

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Already, the company has introduced a ridged texture much like shark's skin on its plane's wings, to improve air flow

That's what I said, riblets are outlawed by the Rule

 

Agreed. It was a silly line in that article, one apparently included just to butress the sentences around it.

 

"Perhaps Airbus will also take away a thing or two from its new water-based collaboration.

Already, the company has introduced a ridged texture much like shark's skin on its plane's wings, to improve air flow.

The worlds of flight and sail are not so dissimilar as they might seem."

What the Airbus Honcho said about the coming challenge of getting those engineers back to airplanes may have been more insightful than even he realized, when you look at where many AC designers have come from and then stayed. A reasonably good comparison is the BMW/partner/designer who later joined Oracle Racing, think his name was (edit) Thomas Hahn?

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Airbus certainly has the resources (EU taxpayers €€s) to have explored many areas of technology that may be to a AC team's benefit - not much of a payback then to go partnering a team from the country of their major rivals . Maybe makes sense from a US PR viewpoint.

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Airbus certainly has the resources (EU taxpayers €€s) to have explored many areas of technology that may be to a AC team's benefit - not much of a payback then to go partnering a team from the country of their major rivals . Maybe makes sense from a US PR viewpoint.

Well, if you believe the JS spin, Airbus is the best in the world. Maybe NASA and Boeing just had nothing to offer?

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Boeing is a sponsor of the Seattle Seahawks (NFL Football) but mostly sponsors charities instead of commercial entities. I imagine they'd have turned down any similar technology partnership that might have been offered, it's just not a practice they'd want to expend already-stretched resources on with several big design initiatives currently ramping up.

 

To Nav's point, yes Airbus is and has been gaining traction in the States, it's a clear ambition.

 

Hopefully OTUSA will still set up a shop in Anacortes, and also again take advantage of Boeing-supplier (and possibly also Airbus-supplier) Janicki.

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^ Computer parts?

 

;)

?

 

Whatever your point, Airbus like Boeing licenses a lot of Oracle technology - a business partnership that may have helped this come to fruition somehow, perhaps even financially.

 

But maybe more to the point is that were it Boeing or Airbus that Oracle got as a technology partner, all three parties make extensive use of Dassault software. If OR can use (for example Oracle's Distributed) software to run their Dassault systems on hardware already maintained by Airbus instead of having to continually spin up and upgrade their own in-house system installations, well that could be a big cost saving to OR.

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AIRBUS + ORTUSA does not equal a "perpetual challenge Cup for friendly competition between foreign countries". It's disgusting. Where's Boeing? And what must BAR and the French think of this?

+1

Whatever Cammas is involved or not, it is disgusting to see that Airbus is not teaming with Eurpopean teams like Team France, Italy and-or BAR.

Oracle natural partner is Boeing. And what is Airbus thinking, that the technology they share with Oracle isn't going to Boeing later ?

Disgusting and stupid move.

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http://www.heraldnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20141021/BIZ/141029777/Boeing-breaks-ground-on-777X-wing-plant-at-Paine-Field&template=bizmobileart

 

"At the fabrication center, Boeing will make its largest-ever carbon-fiber wing, measuring 114 feet long and 23 feet wide. The tips will fold to allow the jetliner to fit into parking spaces at airport gates."

 

Boeing's busy with designing and building big wings too.. An office I frequent has a clear view of this absolutely mind $Boggling site.

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From an expanded version of the articles posted earlier, at: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/a82f5dfa94054e1ab83cafe7ea72128d/americas-cup-flyboys-sign-tech-deal-airbus

 

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Spithill said he thinks there eventually will be a simulator for America's Cup catamarans.

 

"No question," he said. "OK, initially it might not be with full movement and be like an amusement park ride, but if we can do a simple simulator, we can look at configuration changes or settings on foils and rudders before we hit water. That would be massive."

 

The deal came about after Oracle project coordinator Ian "Fresh" Burns made a presentation to Airbus in France prior to the last America's Cup, which resulted in Brégier coming to the America's Cup in San Francisco, said Oracle Team USA CEO Russell Coutts, a five-time Cup winner who has a degree in engineering.

 

Airbus is scheduled to open an assembly plant in Mobile, Alabama, next year.

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AIRBUS + ORTUSA does not equal a "perpetual challenge Cup for friendly competition between foreign countries". It's disgusting. Where's Boeing? And what must BAR and the French think of this?

+1

Whatever Cammas is involved or not, it is disgusting to see that Airbus is not teaming with Eurpopean teams like Team France, Italy and-or BAR.

Oracle natural partner is Boeing. And what is Airbus thinking, that the technology they share with Oracle isn't going to Boeing later ?

Disgusting and stupid move.

 

 

Terrible, absolutely terrible. How could they possibly do this ? :)

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AIRBUS + ORTUSA does not equal a "perpetual challenge Cup for friendly competition between foreign countries". It's disgusting. Where's Boeing? And what must BAR and the French think of this?

+1

Whatever Cammas is involved or not, it is disgusting to see that Airbus is not teaming with Eurpopean teams like Team France, Italy and-or BAR.

Oracle natural partner is Boeing. And what is Airbus thinking, that the technology they share with Oracle isn't going to Boeing later ?

Disgusting and stupid move.

 

Terrible, absolutely terrible. How could they possibly do this ? :)

Well, according to JS the world top company is Airbus. So Larry has to rely on european technology, Kiwi and Aussie sailors, perhaps a British venue, and screwed GGYC members. How could he possibly do this ? troll.

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AIRBUS + ORTUSA does not equal a "perpetual challenge Cup for friendly competition between foreign countries". It's disgusting. Where's Boeing? And what must BAR and the French think of this?

+1

Whatever Cammas is involved or not, it is disgusting to see that Airbus is not teaming with Eurpopean teams like Team France, Italy and-or BAR.

Oracle natural partner is Boeing. And what is Airbus thinking, that the technology they share with Oracle isn't going to Boeing later ?

Disgusting and stupid move.

 

Terrible, absolutely terrible. How could they possibly do this ? :)

Indeed, and the answer is obvious: Airbus did it because there is no Team France [again, quite apart from the technical merit of the deal, which I'm sure is zero]

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Not sure I agree that's so obvious. From a marketing standpoint there's advantages to gained from association with the "American" team whereas Airbus doesn't need to be perceived as more "French".

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Airbus, really?

 

I'd like OR to lose the "Team USA" bit from their name now, please. It's on the edge of insulting now, to me at least.

 

People can shrug this off as no big deal but Boeing vs Airbus is a big deal. It's a huge deal. And now the supposed "Team USA" is going to be advertising the main competitor of Boeing, one of the US cornerstone companies, in the U.S.? Bull shit. That would be like LR forging a technical partnership with Mercedes over Ferrari.

 

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A little known fact is that Airbus actually made the Herbie for 17. Any association with a US based aerospace company was simply a misdirection play to keep the Kiwi press, and NAV, looking in the wrong direction.

 

Airbus is also the leading supplier for lead in key aerospace parts, which are well hidden.

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