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But it has a center pod too. There's not much left of the 45... But it does look too small compared to the person on deck. Mystery.

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Its' rule compliant as per the new spec allowing the top sections of the AC45 hulls to be modified as well as cross support structures. Looks just like the computer generated design that JG published a few months ago.

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Its' rule compliant as per the new spec allowing the top sections of the AC45 hulls to be modified as well as cross support structures. Looks just like the computer generated design that JG published a few months ago.

That's exactly what it is. See: http://www.cupexperience.com/blog/2014/10/biggest-loophole-in-2017-americas-cup-rules

 

I'm working on a follow up article to show how this matches up with the renderings in my article.

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I would be interesting to know what kind of foil will equip them. L, J, Z, 3, 4 wands ?

BTW, I don't think the foiling AC45 is a loophole, more an "unfair" advantage for last AC34 teams.

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I just spoke with a friend from Anacortes. He spoke with Tug recently. OTUSA has leased space 5 blocks south of the old Core building. It used to house a company that made wind turbine blades. OTUSA is ramping up to build the AC62s. Tug said he and everyone else liked Anacortes and their glad to be back.

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Some recent activity by Core in Warkworth, suggests they're still capable/operational

 

from http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11377065

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Building the unusual structure was tough.

 

"It was a very challenging project because we had initially to learn the techniques of an ancient building form in terms of the rammed earth structure and methodology that went into building the walls. At the same time, we had to understand the very high-tech nature of the roof. ... a fascinating juxtaposition of the ancient techniques and the most modern ..."

 

The roof was made by Warkworth-based Core Builders Composites, which also built the Oracle America's Cup boats and Jones said the roof structures had a foam centre, covered by e-glass layers on either side.

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America's Cup: Lawsuit against Oracle Racing lodged in San Francisco

Alt_J%20P%20Morgan%20BAR1.jpg 'J.P.Morgan BAR AC45 team training ahead of an ACWS regatta. Skippered by Ben Ainslie with Oracle team mates Simon Daubney, Matt Mitchell, Jan Dekker.and Kyle Langford.' © Lloyd Images/J.P.Morgan BAR

In further legal fallout from the 34th America's Cup one of the New Zealand sailors named in an action bought by the International Sailing Federation has in turn lodged a lawsuit in a California Court against his former racing team, Oracle Team USA.

 

Matthew Mitchell claims he had to pay out $68,000 in legal fees, interest and other costs, to defend himself in the ongoing case with the International Sailing Federation over changes made to the one design AC45 catamarans used in preliminary regattas in 2012 and 2013.

 

The issue erupted in San Francisco in late July 2013, just six weeks before the start of the 34th America's Cup. Three AC45's were affected - two raced by Oracle Team USA and another for Ben Ainslie Racing, which was prepared and managed by Oracle Team USA. Ainslie's boat was also crewed by several members of Oracle Team USA. Ainslie was a key crew member aboard the team's larger AC72 catamaran which staged a remarkable comeback to win the America's Cup.

 

After the measurement issues were reported, both Ben Ainslie Racing and Oracle Team USA withdrew their three yachts retrospectively from four regattas in the America's Cup World Series.

 

Several members of the Oracle Team USA shore and sailing crew were suspended by the International Jury for the duration of the regatta. The team itself was fined $250,000.

 

Med_Mittchell_Matt1.jpg

Matt Mitchell (USA) sailing team Oracle Team USA - Oracle Team USA media Click Here to view large photo
One case has been heard by the Court for Arbitration for Sport over the incident, and that body confirmed the involvement of a Dutch sailor, Dirk de Ridder, who denies that involvement, knowledge or instruction. However his suspension from the sport was reduced from three years to 18months.

 

Mitchell's and other cases are at an earlier stage of consideration by the ISAF and further action may follow.

 

Matthew Mitchell sued Oracle Racing Inc. on Wednesday in Superior Court, in San Francisco.

 

According to a news report, Mitchell claims his employer told him to add the weight, so the employer should foot his legal bills.

 

Oracle Racing's principle owner is Oracle billionaire Larry Ellison, who is not a party to the case.

 

Mitchell says that Oracle Racing hired him to prepare a 45-foot catamaran for the America's Cup World Series, a string of races building up to the 34th America's Cup, which took place in San Francisco Bay in 2013 and used 72-foot boats.

Mitchell says flew to San Francisco in 2012 and joined his teammates on the Oracle Racing team.

 

'Immediately after his arrival, plaintiff was assigned by defendant to commission and prepare a boat known as the BAR45 (Ben Ainslie Racing),' the complaint states.

 

His tasks were 'listed on a 'job list' that was prepared and issued by defendant,' the complaint states. 'Included in the 'job list' was a task listed as 'Fill Kingpost.'

 

The kingpost is a sturdy post near the bow that rises above the deck. Race officials subsequently found that the kingpost on Mitchell's boat was too heavy and broke AC45 class rules.

 

Mitchell's was named as a defendant by the America's Cup International Jury and was required to attend a two-day hearing in August 2013.

 

The jury decided that Mitchell probably participated in filling the kingpost with heavy resinous material.

 

The decision described Mitchell, who is from New Zealand, as a sailor and yacht rigger working on his fifth America's Cup campaign, who should have known that because the kingpost on the AC45 class boat he was assembling was 'nearly 2.5 times heavier than the norm, its legality was obviously questionable.'

 

Mitchell has had to pay for representation not only in the original hearing but also in subsequent investigations by the International Sailing Federation and Yachting New Zealand, according to the complaint.

 

Oracle Racing is required by the California Labor Code to indemnify Mitchell because he was preparing the boat in line with his employer's instructions and has had to pay defense fees 'as a direct and proximate result of the acts of defendant,' according to the lawsuit.

 

Mitchell seeks his legal fees, plus interest, and special damages for failure to indemnify under the California Legal Code.

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America's Cup: Lawsuit against Oracle Racing lodged in San Francisco

Alt_J%20P%20Morgan%20BAR1.jpg 'J.P.Morgan BAR AC45 team training ahead of an ACWS regatta. Skippered by Ben Ainslie with Oracle team mates Simon Daubney, Matt Mitchell, Jan Dekker.and Kyle Langford.' © Lloyd Images/J.P.Morgan BAR

In further legal fallout from the 34th America's Cup one of the New Zealand sailors named in an action bought by the International Sailing Federation has in turn lodged a lawsuit in a California Court against his former racing team, Oracle Team USA.

 

Matthew Mitchell claims he had to pay out $68,000 in legal fees, interest and other costs, to defend himself in the ongoing case with the International Sailing Federation over changes made to the one design AC45 catamarans used in preliminary regattas in 2012 and 2013.

 

The issue erupted in San Francisco in late July 2013, just six weeks before the start of the 34th America's Cup. Three AC45's were affected - two raced by Oracle Team USA and another for Ben Ainslie Racing, which was prepared and managed by Oracle Team USA. Ainslie's boat was also crewed by several members of Oracle Team USA. Ainslie was a key crew member aboard the team's larger AC72 catamaran which staged a remarkable comeback to win the America's Cup.

 

After the measurement issues were reported, both Ben Ainslie Racing and Oracle Team USA withdrew their three yachts retrospectively from four regattas in the America's Cup World Series.

 

Several members of the Oracle Team USA shore and sailing crew were suspended by the International Jury for the duration of the regatta. The team itself was fined $250,000.

 

Med_Mittchell_Matt1.jpg

Matt Mitchell (USA) sailing team Oracle Team USA - Oracle Team USA media Click Here to view large photo
One case has been heard by the Court for Arbitration for Sport over the incident, and that body confirmed the involvement of a Dutch sailor, Dirk de Ridder, who denies that involvement, knowledge or instruction. However his suspension from the sport was reduced from three years to 18months.

 

Mitchell's and other cases are at an earlier stage of consideration by the ISAF and further action may follow.

 

Matthew Mitchell sued Oracle Racing Inc. on Wednesday in Superior Court, in San Francisco.

 

According to a news report, Mitchell claims his employer told him to add the weight, so the employer should foot his legal bills.

 

Oracle Racing's principle owner is Oracle billionaire Larry Ellison, who is not a party to the case.

 

Mitchell says that Oracle Racing hired him to prepare a 45-foot catamaran for the America's Cup World Series, a string of races building up to the 34th America's Cup, which took place in San Francisco Bay in 2013 and used 72-foot boats.

Mitchell says flew to San Francisco in 2012 and joined his teammates on the Oracle Racing team.

 

'Immediately after his arrival, plaintiff was assigned by defendant to commission and prepare a boat known as the BAR45 (Ben Ainslie Racing),' the complaint states.

 

His tasks were 'listed on a 'job list' that was prepared and issued by defendant,' the complaint states. 'Included in the 'job list' was a task listed as 'Fill Kingpost.'

 

The kingpost is a sturdy post near the bow that rises above the deck. Race officials subsequently found that the kingpost on Mitchell's boat was too heavy and broke AC45 class rules.

 

Mitchell's was named as a defendant by the America's Cup International Jury and was required to attend a two-day hearing in August 2013.

 

The jury decided that Mitchell probably participated in filling the kingpost with heavy resinous material.

 

The decision described Mitchell, who is from New Zealand, as a sailor and yacht rigger working on his fifth America's Cup campaign, who should have known that because the kingpost on the AC45 class boat he was assembling was 'nearly 2.5 times heavier than the norm, its legality was obviously questionable.'

 

Mitchell has had to pay for representation not only in the original hearing but also in subsequent investigations by the International Sailing Federation and Yachting New Zealand, according to the complaint.

 

Oracle Racing is required by the California Labor Code to indemnify Mitchell because he was preparing the boat in line with his employer's instructions and has had to pay defense fees 'as a direct and proximate result of the acts of defendant,' according to the lawsuit.

 

Mitchell seeks his legal fees, plus interest, and special damages for failure to indemnify under the California Legal Code.

FINDINGS IN RESPECT OF MATTHEW MITCHELL
63. After his arrival in San Francisco on 15th July 2012, Matthew Mitchell was involved
with the assembly of boat BAR. It was the first time Matt assembled an AC45. Matt
testified that he had never read the AC45 Class Rule. Page 10 of 16
64. He was aware that filling a king post was on the BAR job list, but at the hearing he
claimed that he did not know what ‘fill kingpost’ meant and that he did not realize
that it might involve a rules violation.
65. Simeon Tienpont stated in his signed interview record as well as in the hearing
that, after Matt asked him for help, he and Matt carried out the job of filling the
kingpost with resin together. Matt claimed he did not see anyone fill the kingpost.
The Jury is comfortably satisfied that Matt participated in filling the forward
kingpost of BAR with resinous material.
66. In his evidence Matt claimed he had only picked up the kingpost from the
workbench and noted it was heavy, and that he looked into the end and saw
resinous material with something floating in it. In his signed interview record Matt
stated that he did not think the kingpost being heavy was exceptional. The Jury
finds that Matt participated in filling the forward kingpost, but even if he was not
involved in including the additional weight, Matt knew that the kingpost was heavy.
It should have been apparent to a sailor of Matt’s experience that when finding a
kingpost that was nearly 2.5 times heavier than the norm, its legality was obviously
questionable.
67. Matt was the BAR boat captain. He is currently a AC72 boat captain and AC34 is
his fifth America’s Cup campaign. The AC45 class rule is 12 pages long. It is
difficult to accept that a person with Matt’s experience would not have familiarized
himself with the rules.
DECISION AS TO MATTHEW MITCHELL
68. The Jury is comfortably satisfied that the action was a gross breach of a rule and
of good sportsmanship.

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F1: Valencia organisers face corruption probe
21 December 2014
The much-vaunted European Grand Prix in Valencia continues to attract unwanted attention nearly three years after its last appearance on the F1 schedule.

 


Spain's unsuccessful bid to run a second F1 event looks set to end in greater ignominy as the national prosecutor's office investigates allegations of corruption by organisers of the European Grand Prix in Valencia.

The city's America's Cup port hosted the race for five years between 2008-12 and had been due to alternate with Barcelona as the home of the Spanish Grand Prix from 2014, but attempted to withdraw from its long-term contract with Formula One Management when a change of local government officials determined that the €40m event was a drain on financial resources.

“Valencia president Alberto Fabra is determined to correct the nonsense of a grand prix that he inherited from his predecessor Francisco Camps and has cost a fortune to the public purse,” Spanish newspaper Diario Sportreported at the time, “In this context, it would be very difficult to explain to the taxpayers of the region that more money is being allocated for F1.”

Although the story believed that FOM was seeking €33m to terminate Valencia's deal ahead of time, further problems now appear to lay ahead of its organisers, with Associated Press claiming that an investigation has been opened into alleged corruption and embezzlement by those behind the event.

Former regional president Camps, tourism official Dolores Johnson and Jorge Martinez, a shareholder in the Valmor Sports company assigned the hosting rights by Camps, are all named in the writ, which calls on the courts to investigate alleged irregularities, including how Camps allowed a private company with no experience in motorsport and only 12 employees, to operate the multimillion-dollar event. The proceedings also names Camps as a suspect in cases of misappropriation of public funds and corruption.

The street circuit, which took racers between the various America's Cup warehouses as part of a spectacular harbour-side setting, began to fall into disrepair within seven months of home hero Fernando Alonso's victory in the 2012 European Grand Prix, with looted electrics, flooded access tunnels, sewers without manhole covers and 'a bridge that cost two million Euros now only used by homeless to spend the night'.

Valencia was left off the 2013 calendar, due to have been replaced by a second American event on the streets of New Jersey, but the US bid foundered, and continues to do so. Bernie Ecclestone has cast doubt on the much-hyped race ever making the calendar, having been left out of 2015 plans.

"The Americans want other races, but I'm not too sure that we do," he said this week.

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Software Bug (nearly) Dooms Oracle:

 

Back at the Oracle base, Mr. Ozanne said he had found the flaw in the computer model. To get going fast enough upwind to get on the foils, the yacht initially had to sail at an angle that would force it to cover more watersomething the computer wasn't programmed to allow. When Mr. Ozanne input the wider angles into the software, the computer had recalculated the speed and showed the boat could sail faster that way, confirming what the sailors had found.

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Software bug? That's like blaming your Satnav, when you have set it to shortest route rather than quickest journey!

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Yeah - like trusting the imagery of the electronic chart...

 

There remains room in the world for analog thought.

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Software Bug (nearly) Dooms Oracle:

 

Back at the Oracle base, Mr. Ozanne said he had found the flaw in the computer model. To get going fast enough upwind to get on the foils, the yacht initially had to sail at an angle that would force it to cover more watersomething the computer wasn't programmed to allow. When Mr. Ozanne input the wider angles into the software, the computer had recalculated the speed and showed the boat could sail faster that way, confirming what the sailors had found.

Shit. And here's me thinking it was all done by the feel of the wind on your temple.

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so they programmed into the computer what the sailors already knew and then were the only boat that achieved a rock steady ride height at low mode upwind in the last half of the races...

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Which compiter would this be, the one in the port hull with a computer geek working it ?

 

THERE WAS NO COMPUTER!!!

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barfy, on 23 Dec 2014 - 18:31, said:

so they programmed into the computer what the sailors already knew and then were the only boat that achieved a rock steady ride height at low mode upwind in the last half of the races...

Spot on, thanks for finally clarifying that for everyone.

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http://www.cio.co.nz/article/563401/cio-blog-2017-americas-cup-going-all-about-sailing-technology/?fp=16&fpid=1

CIO Blog: Is the 2017 America's Cup going to be all about sailing or technology?

 

...mostly about AC34 IT though

 

Last word goes to long time yachtie and member of the Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron Colin Lucas who said, “My hope for the 35th America's Cup is that it goes back to being speed achieved from sailor skill, rather than a tsunami of money and technology!”

 

some hope!

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http://www.cio.co.nz/article/563401/cio-blog-2017-americas-cup-going-all-about-sailing-technology/?fp=16&fpid=1

CIO Blog: Is the 2017 America's Cup going to be all about sailing or technology?

 

...mostly about AC34 IT though

 

Last word goes to long time yachtie and member of the Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron Colin Lucas who said, “My hope for the 35th America's Cup is that it goes back to being speed achieved from sailor skill, rather than a tsunami of money and technology!”

 

some hope!

As usual, it is a combination of both.

(I can feel a song coming on here)

You can't have one,

You can't have one,

You can't have one without the ....................................other.

 

It is a matter of percentages.

 

2017 America's Cup; I would suggest that currently the percentages may well be 70% technology and 30% sailing.

Monohulls may well be the inverse at 30% technology and 70% sailing.

It may be argued that it is 50:50 with monohulls, and the percentages will change with a goodly heated discussion.

 

Bottom line though is technology rules with the current foiling cats.

 

When we return to monohulls (and it will happen eventually, who knows when) it will be more about sailing skills.

I do look forward to those days.

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Anyone who doubts the sailor's skill that was on display in the last Cup was not paying attention.

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http://www.cio.co.nz/article/563401/cio-blog-2017-americas-cup-going-all-about-sailing-technology/?fp=16&fpid=1

CIO Blog: Is the 2017 America's Cup going to be all about sailing or technology?

 

...mostly about AC34 IT though

 

Last word goes to long time yachtie and member of the Royal New Zealand Yacht Squadron Colin Lucas who said, My hope for the 35th America's Cup is that it goes back to being speed achieved from sailor skill, rather than a tsunami of money and technology!

 

some hope!

As usual, it is a combination of both.

(I can feel a song coming on here)

You can't have one,

You can't have one,

You can't have one without the ....................................other.

 

It is a matter of percentages.

 

2017 America's Cup; I would suggest that currently the percentages may well be 70% technology and 30% sailing.

Monohulls may well be the inverse at 30% technology and 70% sailing.

It may be argued that it is 50:50 with monohulls, and the percentages will change with a goodly heated discussion.

 

Bottom line though is technology rules with the current foiling cats.

 

When we return to monohulls (and it will happen eventually, who knows when) it will be more about sailing skills.

I do look forward to those days.

Aussie A Class Nat. Championships: three different foiling solutions in top 3 spots.

 

What's that you were saying that sailing skill plays little role in racing cats?

 

Sailing skill looks to be 95% of the solution in this foiling cat class.

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AC34 clearly showed that tech took a back seat. To sailors and to shore work. Oracle improved due to a combination of will, skill, athletic ability (crew's average age 10 years younger than ETNZ, by the way), and shore crew work to improve the boat every night. Please give the conspiracy theories a rest!

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Anyone who doubts the sailor's skill that was on display in the last Cup was not paying attention.

 

I agree. That fore deck crew was so fast you couldn't even see them working . Seamless sail changes and incredible douses . It was almost like they weren't even there.

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Anyone who doubts the sailor's skill that was on display in the last Cup was not paying attention.

As I said ..... certainly sailing skills, but outweighed by technology.

I am sure that you agree, it is only percentages.

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Anyone who doubts the sailor's skill that was on display in the last Cup was not paying attention.

I agree. That fore deck crew was so fast you couldn't even see them working . Seamless sail changes and incredible douses . It was almost like they weren't even there.

The boats aren't slow enough to bother with chutes. But check out the sail control about 45 seconds into this - at 45°.

 

Somebody flew that boat out of a dive:

 

 

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^ So the puff dies or at most one guy turns the wheel and the rest hang on .

 

Not seeing a lot of CREW work there .

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Watch the wing closely - somebody "ups elevator" and saves the day.

 

If not the battle.

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Your observation is contrary to the original explanation for the near capsize which was that there was a mechanical problem and they couldn't operate the wing.

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They needed "hydro" - hydraulic pressure - to operate the wing - correct?

 

When they got it - they "headed up" and flew the boat right back up.

 

I was watching from the beach, and thought for sure they were going over. The boat gave that final bump to leeward and I thought it was gone.

 

Anyhow, I guess the main point is that although these sailors are not jibing the pole - they are executing some very sailor-like choreography during their jibes. And yes, even the tacks. And - keeping their brains running even when the shit hits the fan.

 

Amazing sailing - IMO.

 

But yes, flying a multihull is something new.

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They needed "hydro" - hydraulic pressure - to operate the wing - correct?

 

When they got it - they "headed up" and flew the boat right back up.

 

I was watching from the beach, and thought for sure they were going over. The boat gave that final bump to leeward and I thought it was gone.

 

Anyhow, I guess the main point is that although these sailors are not jibing the pole - they are executing some very sailor-like choreography during their jibes. And yes, even the tacks. And - keeping their brains running even when the shit hits the fan.

 

Amazing sailing - IMO.

 

But yes, flying a multihull is something new.

Watched it from Crissy field - certainly one of the highlights of the finals. The photog I was with got some great shots of the incident.

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The best thing about Bermuda is that it can blow. Its not the consistent wind machine we've got in SF - but the variability is sure to spice up the action. And possibly mix the results.

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Not surprised to see that that the great one did not have surgery (his excuse not to be shown how uncompetitive in a Moth at the Worlds he would have been, or any boat for that matter) but chose to sail with his "great mate" in some non event on the Australian eastern seaboard. Watch your back James there are a lot of people better than you and if you think RC will look after you think again. Good luck with the surgery I am sure it will coincide with some other levelling sailing competition.

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LANGFORD, Kyle AUS 4131 77 AUS 14 14

Langford at 14; "what do you like about this class? uhhh, nothing really"...more class

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LANGFORD, Kyle AUS 4131 77 AUS 14 14

Langford at 14; "what do you like about this class? uhhh, nothing really"...more class

 

Preferring to sail something more substantial than a miniature engineering experiment is his prerogative.

 

Speaking his mind should be admired especially with so much party line being spouted elsewhere.

 

He was part of the " biggest comeback in the history of sport " why should he not be truthful.

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Dockyard home sweet home for Oracle

 

Ground has been broken on the site in Dockyard that will form the base for 35th America’s Cup defender Oracle Team USA.

The multi-building complex, that will house Oracle’s fleet of wing sail AC62 foiling catamarans, is situated just east of the twin cement silos.

Members from Oracle are on Island on a scouting mission and to discuss team logistics, Grant Simmer, the team’s manager, confirmed yesterday.

“Several team members are in Bermuda this week on a scouting trip, as we prepare to move our operations here,” he said.

“We are planning on shipping our boats and equipment here in April with a view to getting sailing by the beginning of May.

“When the team is up and running here in late spring we’ll have about 60 people based in Dockyard.”

Among Oracle’s travelling entourage is Jimmy Spithill, the team skipper and 2014 ISAF Rolex Sailor of the Year, who will field questions from local media today. Spithill, whose younger brother Tom competed at last week’s International Moth World Championships in Australia, is no stranger to the Island.

In 2005 he became only the third Australian behind Gordon Lucas and Peter Gilmour to raise the King Edward VII Gold Cup, which is the oldest match racing trophy in the world for competition involving one-design yachts.

Spithill won the regatta the year after Oracle chief executive and five-times America’s Cup winner, Sir Russell Coutts, captured a record seventh Gold Cup.

Spithill, 35, is a two-times winner having led Oracle to victory in 2010 and 2013 and is also the youngest skipper to win the prestigious regatta.

He is the only Australian skipper to win the America’s Cup on multiple occasions and is also a past match race world champion. As well as competing at inshore regattas, Spithill also has a soft spot for offshore racing.

Last month he competed in the Rolex Sydney Hobart Race on the super maxi yacht, Comanche, which finished second behind Wild Oats XI in the battle for line honours.

http://www.royalgazette.com/article/20150120/SPORT03/150129987

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Toward the end of the vid, did Andrew Campbell say "when we get into a new class, a new 45'er" Changes ahead for AC??

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^ Seems to show three different sizes of cats. Something between the 62 and the 45 sitting in the 'Transient Base'?

 

Nice curved foils on the 62 ;)

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One would hope so. Learning to work the freaky dinghy would seem a little less useful than foiling a cat.

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^ Seems to show three different sizes of cats. Something between the 62 and the 45 sitting in the 'Transient Base'?

 

Nice curved foils on the 62 ;)

That would be the new mod45 (grinders, wheels, advanced foil control) to be brought out this month for training session in SF Bay. Then pack it all up for Bermuda. At least that seems the announced plan.

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^ That seems to make sense - hulls must remain much the same but the platform can be enlarged. In fact we've already seen this AC45 based testbed in a video.


Can't really be anything else because of the surrogate rule.

 

Unless 'transient base' is not actually intended for OTUSA - i.e. it's missing from these graphics (see http://www.planning.gov.bm/documents/ACBDA.pdf ) - but that said the cat next to the 62 at the dock is clearly a testbed/Mod45

 

m324_crop169014_1024x576_proportional_14

 

m325_crop169014_1024x576_proportional_14

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New foiling 45, the same one from that "new partner video". Pod, faired beams, mini 72

 

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The front beam seems like a V

 

Welcome to 2 months ago

 

 

Yep something like that..best @1:44-1:45

 

 

Pier 80, right?

 

a ^ in the front beam, cockpits, pedestals...corporate colours, a non-surrogate surrogate

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Well then, OK! This Cup won't win itself! Let's get this cat out of the shed and start flying! Its time for some real big cat foiling action. I can not wait. I want to see this mini-17 do its stuff.

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So they can play with the foils while the paint drys?

 

or..

 

- no suspension, so they can't drive it off

- flood warning

- lost the keys

- crash testing

- on the piss and japing while Russ is in Bermuda

- someone said that it's built so light that if they stuck the wing on horizontally it would hangglide, so...

- team building exercise

 

or...

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You are a drama queen JS.

Whoever the guy is that's making these videos, obviously asked JS about it. Good on JS for making the time to explain, he spoke well enough.

 

If you think back over the past 15 yrs or so it's pretty hard to find anybody-AC more hard driving than that guy. Being out for 2+ months probably does hurt.

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^^ Oh dear, too much circuit training. Was jimmy feeling a little insecure - being the only one aboard without any grunt work to do?

"Hey Jimbo, it says here that your pulse rate never got over 65 out there today, ya lazy prick"

 

Bummer, that'll learn 'im!

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There's a good look at the OTUSA boat but not on this site.

AHOLE SOILER

 

ITS NOT ON THE GGYC SITE EITHER -MUST BE ON CHEATERS.COM

 

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There's a good look at the OTUSA boat but not on this site.

^^ You are coming back for that, and that are the photos you mention ? the ones I posted are definitely better. What a troll you make, keep on :)

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There's a good look at the OTUSA boat but not on this site.

You're right and it looks excellent.

 

Didn't think a simple comment would rile the trolls, oh well.

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Foiling perfectly - right out of the box.

 

Haven't seen any upwind work yet...

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Nice catch, I tried earlier but didn't spot them.

 

Where on the Bay, southwest of Alcatraz in easy zoom-view of the cam?

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There's a good look at the OTUSA boat but not on this site.

 

That's perfect, since the same number of people who read that site are the same number of people who give the slightest shit about it. Great quote this afternoon from an old friend and longtime GGYC member, lamenting how embarrassing it is to be part of this AC.

 

"Nobody cares about the Cup except those working in it, or wanting to. It used to be EVERYBODY (in the sport) cared about the Cup."

 

And it only took five years. Imagine what Russell could do to the sport if he took that ISAF president job!

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Imagine what Russell could do to the sport if he took that ISAF president job!

 

There was a rumor of that? Okay, brilliant-one, try this one on for size if we're on that trail:

 

Word in some circles is that Dean Barker is leaving ETNZ and heading to LR. Which makes sense if Bora is leaving LR, to .... (go right ahead)

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Nice catch, I tried earlier but didn't spot them.

 

Where on the Bay, southwest of Alcatraz in easy zoom-view of the cam?

Sorry - I think you just missed them. Looks like not enough wind today - they headed in.

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Imagine what Russell could do to the sport if he took that ISAF president job!

 

There was a rumor of that? Okay, brilliant-one, try this one on for size if we're on that trail:

 

Word in some circles is that Dean Barker is leaving ETNZ and heading to LR. Which makes sense if Bora is leaving LR, to .... (go right ahead)

 

No rumor of that, just me being snarky.

 

If Dean is leaving, he is doing so because he knows that Burling has the #1 helm spot, meaning Deano takes a pay cut. But Max would probably love to have Dean for his knowledge - unlike Bora, who Max wanted for his foiling knowledge, which far outstrips Dean's. Interesting rumor though!

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If JS taking leave - wonder who was at the helm of the 45 today?

 

If we get a little more breeze tomorrow it could be significant who is driving. I guess Nathan was throwing his new toy around like a wild man the other day.

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Nice catch, I tried earlier but didn't spot them.

 

Where on the Bay, southwest of Alcatraz in easy zoom-view of the cam?

Sorry - I think you just missed them. Looks like not enough wind today - they headed in.
Sure was a spectacular-looking Feb day, perhaps there'll be thermals inland and GGB funnel wind tomorrow afternoon? Have enjoyed your descriptions of AR so far and OR looks to be headed to good cam-viewing water now.

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If JS taking leave - wonder who was at the helm of the 45 today?

 

If we get a little more breeze tomorrow it could be significant who is driving. I guess Nathan was throwing his new toy around like a wild man the other day.

My flat-out guess would be Slingers, based on the recent JS interview about his coming surgery. Hopefully there will be good video coverage from OR soon, once they've had a day of good film.

 

That Bora rumor is a few days old, I looked at the Photoboy shots from Tuesday and could spot JS and Grant S among those outside at P80, but could make out nobody that looked like BG. Fingers crossed.

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Imagine what Russell could do to the sport if he took that ISAF president job!

 

There was a rumor of that? Okay, brilliant-one, try this one on for size if we're on that trail:

 

Word in some circles is that Dean Barker is leaving ETNZ and heading to LR. Which makes sense if Bora is leaving LR, to .... (go right ahead)

No rumor of that, just me being snarky.

 

If Dean is leaving, he is doing so because he knows that Burling has the #1 helm spot, meaning Deano takes a pay cut. But Max would probably love to have Dean for his knowledge - unlike Bora, who Max wanted for his foiling knowledge, which far outstrips Dean's. Interesting rumor though!

That motive sounds good.

 

A rat from a sinking ship - not so much.

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IF there's truth to DB choosing a move to LR, and IF he were to eventually helm LR to a victory that knocks ETNZ out, then.. Wow! Lol, just think about that scenario..

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Didn't think a simple comment would rile the trolls, oh well.

 

You come here with the clear desire to troll and, cry baby, complain because you are trolled. LMAO :) .

Anyway, nice photos here of the AC45 first foiling day.

First day flying on AC45

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Another pic

 

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“Today was a success,” said sailing team manager and tactician Tom Slingsby. “The boat is very complicated and getting it on the water has been a huge achievement, just to have all the systems working.

“But the first bear-away we were up on the foils and sailing very stable. So it was definitely a very good day. We ticked a lot of boxes.”

“It felt great,” agreed skipper Jimmy Spithill. “It almost felt a little bit like the AC72 in that we’re all in cockpits and with the speeds. We’re going to need to see it in more breeze but it was great to get it foiling and stable.”

The team will be training and testing on the foiling AC45 for the rest of the month before packing up operations in San Francisco and moving to Bermuda.

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Didn't think a simple comment would rile the trolls, oh well.

You come here with the clear desire to troll and, cry baby, complain because you are trolled.

 

I didn't think it was that easy for you to get your panties in a bunch over a few good pics. Yours must be the best :)

 

No complaints here whatsoever. Keep toiling over nothing.

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Didn't think a simple comment would rile the trolls, oh well.

 

You come here with the clear desire to troll and, cry baby, complain because you are trolled. LMAO :) .

Anyway, nice photos here of the AC45 first foiling day.

First day flying on AC45

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Edit. BTW, didn't JS tell us he wouldn't train for a while ?

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Didn't think a simple comment would rile the trolls, oh well.

You come here with the clear desire to troll and, cry baby, complain because you are trolled.

 

I didn't think it was that easy for you to get your panties in a bunch over a few good pics. Yours must be the best :)

 

No complaints here whatsoever. Keep toiling over nothing.

 

 

Should have said keep trolling over nothing :)

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It used to be EVERYBODY (in the sport) cared about the Cup."

Not remotely true. Not around here anyway.

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Nice catch, I tried earlier but didn't spot them.

 

Where on the Bay, southwest of Alcatraz in easy zoom-view of the cam?

Sorry - I think you just missed them. Looks like not enough wind today - they headed in.

 

 

Anyone else have issues with that webcam link? It screws my system up for some reason - has worked fine in the past.

 

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