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A reason for OR running at 2 and 5 on the rudders, with corresponding effects on the stabs, must have to do with their choice of the AOA on the main foil - which must be close to zero for drag reduction. You'd think everyone is in close to that same 2/5 range, they are all bow-down downwind when set up nicely.

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At http://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/91737965/Are-Oracle-trying-to-copy-team-New-Zealands-pedal-power

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La Stampa said "a rumour that is gaining in consistency" has Oracle "working in a hangar on a pedal system like the one invented by Team New Zealand".

 

"So Oracle may follow them in this innovation to catch up. Maybe even hiring some champions on two wheels," they continued, suggesting proven cyclists could be used, though the compromise would be getting them up to speed quickly in terms of sailing techniques.

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An Oracle U-turn on pedal power would be a dramatic late development, but desperate times can call for desperate measures, especially in a class were technology is such a dominating factor. Oracle certainly have the resources to attempt this, even with the clock ticking.

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^^ Haha maybe thats what the 10 boat builders who were flown from NZ are for? So after all the Parker Hannifin NASA technology, Oracle database 500 gig a day data collection talk, it looks like they've decided - nah, just copy the Kiwis! lol

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^^ Haha maybe thats what the 10 boat builders who were flown from NZ are for? So after all the Parker Hannifin NASA technology, Oracle database 500 gig a day data collection talk, it looks like they've decided - nah, just copy the Kiwis! lol

I could go on and on about that article but will save my breath :)

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Smells like bullshit to me.

The problem is that the "cyclists" on ETNZ are sailors which will be contributing towards the control of the boat.

 

Bringing cyclists on board wouldn't work, because they wouldn't know a damned thing about sailing.

Using existing sailors wouldn't work, because they wouldn't have the fitness in the leg department.

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One of the many weird angles is how a Kiwi article bases the story on an Italian one, which in turn bases their rumor on supposed Kiwi rumors. Lmao

 

Bullshit is right, no matter how many smelly-butts, mirrors and translations. :D

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^^ Haha maybe thats what the 10 boat builders who were flown from NZ are for? So after all the Parker Hannifin NASA technology, Oracle database 500 gig a day data collection talk, it looks like they've decided - nah, just copy the Kiwis! lol

If 10 guys were flown up from Core it would be more expected than not. A video last week even featured Tank Turner, beating on something with a hammer.

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If you think other "news" outlets around the world are any different, you are kidding yourself.

For the most part, journalism ceased to exist about 20 years ago.

 

Its only in the last 10 years that people have started to notice it.

Where it does exist, it tends to be opinion pieces behind a pay wall because true "investigative journalism" (think Spotlight) is just too expensive to be worthwhile

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Yep, fair point.

 

I'm from a family that has been involved in that evolution, with a mixture of amusement and outright bewilderment.

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I should point out that this was not an attempt to defend stuff, because they are just absolute crap.

Its just that most other sources are likewise.

 

The likes of Richard Gladwell do a decent job, even he does exhibit bias from time to time.

Another good source of opinion pieces is Telegraph.co.uk, but as I said - behind a paywall.

 

If you want to see the "best" that the UK has to offer in terms of truly awful "news", then dailymail.co.uk is worth a look.

It is so genuinely awful that its almost interesting.

 

Stuff has a long way to catch up with them, but they are certainly putting the effort in.

 

* News articles based on Facebook posts? Yep!

* News articles based on Reddit posts? Yep!

* Subscriber based news articles? Yep!

* Direct copy and paste of articles from Reuters or other "news" outlets, without adding any value? You betcha!

 

Take that shit away and you've lost 90% of the web site.

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To be fair, on the continuum of decent journalism with the US Washington Post at one end, and the UK Daily Mail at the other - NZ Herald is further towards The Mail than Stuff. But I broadly agree, journalism and level of debate about important issues is at an abysmal low globally.

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I subscribe to the Seattle Times and the NYT, but with a healthy enough dose of skeptisism even for them. On radio, mostly NPR and (late night for me) BBC.

 

FABIO POZZO at La Stampa? Not so much :)

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I don't know enough about the Seattle Times, but whenever I've take the time to look at anything coming out of the NYT or Washington Post, I've been left shaking my head.

They seem to be living in the liberal bubble. The same one that allowed the Democrats to assume that Hillary was in an unshakeable position because EVERYONE was doing just dandy out there, even those in the rust belt who hadn't seen a decent pay check in decades.

 

Go to YouTube and listen to Mark Blyth talk about "Global Trumpism".

He is a hard core lefty, but he does understand why the left are losing ground around the globe and how the press are largely acting as their enablers.

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I call BS on this rumor unless OR has had a test platform set-up in a warehouse somewhere for the last year or so like the Kiwis did. The amount of practice (not to mention physical conditioning) required to implement a pedal system is not insignificant I imagine, and while OR has a track record of catching up late in the game I think at this stage it would represent a massive hail mary so I can't see them doing it unless they feel they're way off the pace.

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Well, effectively you have two Corporatist parties over there, with only one of them not really trying to hide the fact.

 

Billy boy repealed most of the new deal as well as introducing the NAFTA which totally butt fucked the working class and much of the middle class.

Obama repealed Habeas Corpus and oversaw the biggest nationalising of corporate losses in US history as far as I am aware.

 

Next up, Hilly wanted to follow up with the TPPA.

 

And these are the working people's party? No wonder so many yanks held their noses and voted Trump, regardless of what a total fucking tool he is.

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@BSPN. Yep, I agree.

If they are doing this, it would be because they think they are massively off the pace.

Furthermore, because of all the issues identified, it would more likely hinder than help them at this late stage.

 

Still, it would really send these forums into a total feeding frenzy.

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It's likely that OR would have gone back and had another good look at the pedals, even if only to be able to accurately model the TNZ boat.

 

As this is the OR thread should we be talking about the likely technological advances OR have over the next few months. I can't imagine that they have turned up to the regatta without some techno goodies!

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You could imagine RC getting a phone call that went 'Please hold for Mr Ellison' (wait for an hour, feeling nervous, then) 'Hey Russ, saw this thing about pedal power? You have that base covered, right? Excellent, excellent, talk to you later.'

 

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I should point out that this was not an attempt to defend stuff, because they are just absolute crap.

Its just that most other sources are likewise.

 

The likes of Richard Gladwell do a decent job, even he does exhibit bias from time to time.

Another good source of opinion pieces is Telegraph.co.uk, but as I said - behind a paywall.

 

If you want to see the "best" that the UK has to offer in terms of truly awful "news", then dailymail.co.uk is worth a look.

It is so genuinely awful that its almost interesting.

 

Stuff has a long way to catch up with them, but they are certainly putting the effort in.

 

* News articles based on Facebook posts? Yep!

* News articles based on Reddit posts? Yep!

* Subscriber based news articles? Yep!

* Direct copy and paste of articles from Reuters or other "news" outlets, without adding any value? You betcha!

 

Take that shit away and you've lost 90% of the web site.

You forgot

* Every second article based on some crap reality TV show absolutely no one gives a shit about? Yep!

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@Barnyb

I am rather hoping that Oracle will invest in surface piercing technology the same way the Australians did back in '95.

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There's no way you can determine the angle of the rudder stabilizers from that distorted pic. Look at the torsos of the guys in the background.

 

I would also note that - when you keep regurgitating your incorrect theories about what the stabilizers (rudder foils) are doing at different points of the performance cycle (take off, acceleration, upwind, downwind etc) - you conveniently forget that the main lifting wings have 12 degrees of rake (angle of attack) adjustment available to them. When added to the 3 degrees of adjustment on the rudders, there are 15 degrees of available differential between the main foils and the stabilizers.

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Thats just nutty.....

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I call improbable on Oracle peddling. Like I posted here before, you can't train their conventional grinders in the 2 months left, it took ETNZ about 18 months of elite training to get enough lower limb hypertrophy and conditioning. And I don't see OTUSA bringing Lance Armstrong aboard. So therefore, sensational journalism while we have news doldrums.

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There's no way you can determine the angle of the rudder stabilizers from that distorted pic. Look at the torsos of the guys in the background.

 

He's been told that before (also here), for the same image (which is cropped from a larger image). The lens distortion is huge. And without any reference points, control or lense calibration data, making any claim related to accurate measurements is laughable.

 

But that will not deter him.

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I call improbable on Oracle peddling. Like I posted here before, you can't train their conventional grinders in the 2 months left, it took ETNZ about 18 months of elite training to get enough lower limb hypertrophy and conditioning. And I don't see OTUSA bringing Lance Armstrong aboard. So therefore, sensational journalism while we have news doldrums.

 

having said that lance would fit in perfectly to OR culture ;-)

 

it would certainly be a turn up for OR to concede the point and switch

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@Barnyb

I am rather hoping that Oracle will invest in surface piercing technology the same way the Australians did back in '95.

Nice!

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Just when I think I am finally going to pull for ENTZ. I come back here and see all these kiwi dickheads prattling on about how it is game over and how much faster they look from some amateur videos and shit. Then they will fucking lose and then spend the next 3 years whining and complaining about how one fucking kiwi cheated them and how it could have been if the wind had been a little bit more during one race. Jesus fucking christ.

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Hold on, who said anything about ETNZ being faster? Nobody that I've seen. The speculation is all around ETNZ having maybe better handling and/or wing control, and rumours of OTUSA putting in pedals ... nothing about straight line speed

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^^ Haha maybe thats what the 10 boat builders who were flown from NZ are for? So after all the Parker Hannifin NASA technology, Oracle database 500 gig a day data collection talk, it looks like they've decided - nah, just copy the Kiwis! lol

Actually they weren't boat builders . They were some sort of specialists that are being hired to maintain some sort of diversion for the kiwi team . This was a candid photo of one of them taken just before they flew to Bermuda .

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^^ "some sort of "specialists". The last time they hired "specialists" they started 2 points down.

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^^ Haha maybe thats what the 10 boat builders who were flown from NZ are for? So after all the Parker Hannifin NASA technology, Oracle database 500 gig a day data collection talk, it looks like they've decided - nah, just copy the Kiwis! lol

Actually they weren't boat builders . They were some sort of specialists that are being hired to maintain some sort of diversion for the kiwi team . This was a candid photo of one of them taken just before they flew to Bermuda .

 

fuck, another waste of space for iggy...see ya

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It would be a huge call for OTUSA to change to pedal power at this stage wouldn't it. I guess it comes down to what their numbers are telling them and how they feel that they are stacking up.

For the sake of argument.... If their spies and numbers coming off the boat in Auckland had suggested that ETNZ is significantly faster that Artemis, and OTUSA weren't sand bagging in the practice races then there is a fair bit of ground to make up. We also don't know whats going on with ETNZ foils etc.

 

If OTUSA felt that ETNZ wasn't a threat and that Artemis was the main challenger (and that would be fair given the races) then there probably wouldn't be a reason to change. If OTUSA stick with arms then we know nothing, if they change to pedlars then it is a "Hail Mary", there is no way they would have wanted to change so major at this stage.

I guess all will be known in the next week or so- there is very little time now until racing starts, and it does seem it takes days to make major changes to the boat- its taken ETNZ a couple of weeks to put their boat back together.....

All speculation I know, but certainly interesting.

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Smells like bullshit to me.

The problem is that the "cyclists" on ETNZ are sailors which will be contributing towards the control of the boat.

 

Bringing cyclists on board wouldn't work, because they wouldn't know a damned thing about sailing.

Using existing sailors wouldn't work, because they wouldn't have the fitness in the leg department.

Yup. By the time Oracle feed some sailors anabolic steroids it'll too fucking late.

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Isn't all this speculation starter by a kiwi hack journo that had nothing to talk about so made some shit up???

Does anyone really think OR would risk so much to change to a system that they have already discounted!?

Seems to me like it would be seriously desperate move.

Won't happen!

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^^ Haha maybe thats what the 10 boat builders who were flown from NZ are for? So after all the Parker Hannifin NASA technology, Oracle database 500 gig a day data collection talk, it looks like they've decided - nah, just copy the Kiwis! lol

Actually they weren't boat builders . They were some sort of specialists that are being hired to maintain some sort of diversion for the kiwi team . This was a candid photo of one of them taken just before they flew to Bermuda .

Hey Americunt. How far would your fucktards sailing Team Oralcall USAnus be if it were not for New Zealanders propping you up? You fucktards would still be Dennis Connering it and building shit out of alloy. Most here believe OR cheated in AC34, fucked over TNZ with the ACWS Auckland round, have bent the rules to a ridiculously unfair advantage and basically fucked the credibility of the AC period. Larry's ego is out of control even for a megalomaniac billionaire. Two fucking boats, competing in the LVC and breaking away to apply the learnings to hopefully win the AC. Before this things even started Oralcall Team USAnus has fucktarded the whole thing up. About the only thing that's going to save the AC is a bunch of sheep farmers in New Zealand.

 

So, wash your shit brains out with some Rinso fucktard, because without New Zealand, the America's Cup is worth its weight in Jimmy turds.

 

Pay attention.

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^ holy shit, that perfectly sums things up. Brilliant.

 

But alas, he's still on my ignore list.

I'd rather you didn't read my posts. You're too conservative in morals and comprehension ability.

Stick to the paper pops.

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^ holy shit, that perfectly sums things up. Brilliant.

 

But alas, he's still on my ignore list.

I'd rather you didn't read my posts. You're too conservative in morals and comprehension ability.

Stick to the paper pops.

 

See that's better, not a single swear word or insult.

 

See, you don't have to be a cunt ALL the time.

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^ WTF? Have you not been reading the last page of this thread?

 

Your link was shared hours ago champ.

Why would I read the shit on this page? I just come here to troll.

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^^ Haha maybe thats what the 10 boat builders who were flown from NZ are for? So after all the Parker Hannifin NASA technology, Oracle database 500 gig a day data collection talk, it looks like they've decided - nah, just copy the Kiwis! lol

Actually they weren't boat builders . They were some sort of specialists that are being hired to maintain some sort of diversion for the kiwi team . This was a candid photo of one of them taken just before they flew to Bermuda .

Hey Americunt. How far would your fucktards sailing Team Oralcall USAnus be if it were not for New Zealanders propping you up? You fucktards would still be Dennis Connering it and building shit out of alloy. Most here believe OR cheated in AC34, fucked over TNZ with the ACWS Auckland round, have bent the rules to a ridiculously unfair advantage and basically fucked the credibility of the AC period. Larry's ego is out of control even for a megalomaniac billionaire. Two fucking boats, competing in the LVC and breaking away to apply the learnings to hopefully win the AC. Before this things even started Oralcall Team USAnus has fucktarded the whole thing up. About the only thing that's going to save the AC is a bunch of sheep farmers in New Zealand.

So, wash your shit brains out with some Rinso fucktard, because without New Zealand, the America's Cup is worth its weight in Jimmy turds.

Pay attention.

Well if it isn't that silver tongue devil himself .

 

Must have gotten under your wool :)

 

I have to say I agree with you 100 % with the way the AC has turned out .

 

I'm 50/50 to be honest as to what the outcome may be .

 

If NZ was to win then hopefully the AC itself has a chance of getting back to something that sailors can relate to which is something I would like to see. Also those that I think are the true fans ,those that really took a beating the last time around sitting in the shed watching the impossible happen deserve a break . Not you whiney keyboard warriors , you guys seem to thrive pulling your hair out stressing over something that you know little about and have zero control over .

 

If OR wins well I guess from a homer standpoint it's nice to keep the cup but I guess the biggest thing would be seeing some of you guys loose their fucking minds :) it's only a sailboat race and not even one that many people give a shit about anymore .

 

Bottom line is I'm good either way :)

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Well...this is all going well. Can't wait for the Psych Nurses to get back on the ward.

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Well...this is all going well. Can't wait for the Psych Nurses to get back on the ward.

I think we all need a bit of racing...

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^^ Haha maybe thats what the 10 boat builders who were flown from NZ are for? So after all the Parker Hannifin NASA technology, Oracle database 500 gig a day data collection talk, it looks like they've decided - nah, just copy the Kiwis! lol

Actually they weren't boat builders . They were some sort of specialists that are being hired to maintain some sort of diversion for the kiwi team . This was a candid photo of one of them taken just before they flew to Bermuda .
Hey Americunt. How far would your fucktards sailing Team Oralcall USAnus be if it were not for New Zealanders propping you up? You fucktards would still be Dennis Connering it and building shit out of alloy. Most here believe OR cheated in AC34, fucked over TNZ with the ACWS Auckland round, have bent the rules to a ridiculously unfair advantage and basically fucked the credibility of the AC period. Larry's ego is out of control even for a megalomaniac billionaire. Two fucking boats, competing in the LVC and breaking away to apply the learnings to hopefully win the AC. Before this things even started Oralcall Team USAnus has fucktarded the whole thing up. About the only thing that's going to save the AC is a bunch of sheep farmers in New Zealand.

So, wash your shit brains out with some Rinso fucktard, because without New Zealand, the America's Cup is worth its weight in Jimmy turds.

Pay attention.

Well if it isn't that silver tongue devil himself .

 

Must have gotten under your wool :)

 

I have to say I agree with you 100 % with the way the AC has turned out .

 

I'm 50/50 to be honest as to what the outcome may be .

 

If NZ was to win then hopefully the AC itself has a chance of getting back to something that sailors can relate to which is something I would like to see. Also those that I think are the true fans ,those that really took a beating the last time around sitting in the shed watching the impossible happen deserve a break . Not you whiney keyboard warriors , you guys seem to thrive pulling your hair out stressing over something that you know little about and have zero control over .

 

If OR wins well I guess from a homer standpoint it's nice to keep the cup but I guess the biggest thing would be seeing some of you guys loose their fucking minds :) it's only a sailboat race and not even one that many people give a shit about anymore .

 

Bottom line is I'm good either way :)

A truly compassionate reply. Being a kiwi, I must support ETNZ first and the protection of the Cups honorable past second. On this reasoning, if ETNZ do not with the right to challenge then I will support the team that does against OR.

It is imperative that The Cup is removed from the tyrannical grip of these monsters who see fit to tarnish the shine beyond polish.

Technical advancement and application aside, this is still a sailboat race at the highest level possible for an 'around the cans race'. Sailors still have to pilot, fly and skipper the sailboat around without flaw nor error.

 

Rules loaded, broken or corrupted can change this to something egotistical.

Money buys greed and deceit for victory.

 

In short, LE and RC are appearing corrupt to some as evidenced by many words written here. I find it difficult to disagree.

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I'm not sure why people think us Kiwis have a thing for farm animals?

 

Bed time for me...

 

"Now I lay me down to sheep,

I pray the Lord the sheep's asleep.

If perchance the sheep should wake,

Simple friendship shall I fake..."

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I'm not sure why people think us Kiwis have a thing for farm animals?

 

Bed time for me...

 

"Now I lay me down to sheep,

I pray the Lord the sheep's asleep.

If perchance the sheep should wake,

Simple friendship shall I fake..."

All whores in Southland are called barrrbra

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^^ Haha maybe thats what the 10 boat builders who were flown from NZ are for? So after all the Parker Hannifin NASA technology, Oracle database 500 gig a day data collection talk, it looks like they've decided - nah, just copy the Kiwis! lol

Not sure what they are up to but they definitely did fly a bunch of guys up there. Stranger though was a story I heard from a reliable source who told me that Oracle were cheating with regards to some construction rules. I figured they were talking about the last cup with the 45's but they said that it was just recent, and in regards to the foils. Made me wonder if maybe Oracle was behind the revisions to the foil rules - would be ironic no?

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Good to hear another local boy in the team representing the team. :) I can not determine exactly where he is from in by his accent. I have been in New Jersey, California, Washington, Florida, Nevada, Arizona, Rhode Island and Texas but none of them speak like him. Which state is he from? :rolleyes:

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There's no way you can determine the angle of the rudder stabilizers from that distorted pic. Look at the torsos of the guys in the background.

 

He's been told that before (also here), for the same image (which is cropped from a larger image). The lens distortion is huge. And without any reference points, control or lense calibration data, making any claim related to accurate measurements is laughable.

 

But that will not deter him.

 

 

Whats laughable is saying that the slight distortion in that picture could change the pitch of the rudder foil related to the rudder leading edge-that's ridiculous.

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Good to hear another local boy in the team representing the team. :) I can not determine exactly where he is from in by his accent. I have been in New Jersey, California, Washington, Florida, Nevada, Arizona, Rhode Island and Texas but none of them speak like him. Which state is he from? :rolleyes:

 

 

Hendo is an Aussie with plenty of travel under his belt.

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I

 

 

 

 

Good to hear another local boy in the team representing the team. :) I can not determine exactly where he is from in by his accent. I have been in New Jersey, California, Washington, Florida, Nevada, Arizona, Rhode Island and Texas but none of them speak like him. Which state is he from? :rolleyes:

 

 

Hendo is an Aussie with plenty of travel under his belt.

 

 

 

I know. Just taking the piss

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Great video -thanks!

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Interesting bit from https://www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0269968EN/motorsport-legend-alessandro-zanardi-taking-different-tracks:-bmw-works-driver-describes-his-experience-on-board-of-oracle-team-usas-americas-cup-yacht-17-as-breath-taking?language=en

 

The innovative steering wheel on the ORACLE TEAM USA catamaran, 17, was developed by engineers at BMW Motorsport who also design the steering wheels for Zanardis BMW racing cars. The Italian had both legs amputated following a serious crash during a race in 2001. His BMW race cars are adapted to his particular needs using special modifications. For example, the BMW Motorsport engineers have developed technically sophisticated steering wheels, which allow Zanardi to control the cars predominantly using his hands. As a result, when it comes to handling, speed and performance, he need not settle for anything less than his fully able-bodied competitors. The expertise of the BMW Motorsport engineers in the development of this and other race steering wheels has now been incorporated in the design of the steering wheel on the OTUSA catamaran, 17.

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He jokes that he had 'good pace thanks to Kyle Langford's hard turn' but JS may have stuck his left foot too close to the edge of the pod causing him to trip up, making his landing on the other side too deep. And speaking of pace, that boat is flat-out foiling, he must have hit the water at quite a pace too.

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Looks like the wing forced him to readjust, putting him off balance and messing up his timing. I imagine he would usually go from pod-to-tramp like the grinders vs tramp-to-tramp to ensure a controlled descent

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^^ Haha maybe thats what the 10 boat builders who were flown from NZ are for? So after all the Parker Hannifin NASA technology, Oracle database 500 gig a day data collection talk, it looks like they've decided - nah, just copy the Kiwis! lol

Not sure what they are up to but they definitely did fly a bunch of guys up there. Stranger though was a story I heard from a reliable source who told me that Oracle were cheating with regards to some construction rules. I figured they were talking about the last cup with the 45's but they said that it was just recent, and in regards to the foils. Made me wonder if maybe Oracle was behind the revisions to the foil rules - would be ironic no?

 

Sheesh mate! Don't you know the word "Cheating" is blasphemy in this thread!

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Look, it would be strange if Oracle weren't taking a second look and cycle powered grinders now that someone else has done it. Will they use it? Probably not, but they'll be re-evaluating if they got some performance number wrong, and if they did is it worth it to now switch at this late stage? Multi variant analysis, but this isn't exactly weekend warrior sailing. Like I said, it's an unlikely scenario but you have to do your due diligence when you're the defender or even a strong challenger with some spare $$$. Anyone remember the kite Oracle went sailing around with in Auckland in, I think, 2002? Do you think that caused a few other teams to evaluate kites downwind sailing? When ETNZ started foiling, do you think there was a re-evaluation by Oracle? Etc, etc, etc.

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Be better off building stanchions!

 

https://twitter.com/JSpithill

 

It's not a half bad idea. Obviously some aero issues and what not, but someone falling off the boat during the race is going to be a killer. It's not like this a really rare occurrence at this point...

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^^ Haha maybe thats what the 10 boat builders who were flown from NZ are for? So after all the Parker Hannifin NASA technology, Oracle database 500 gig a day data collection talk, it looks like they've decided - nah, just copy the Kiwis! lol

Not sure what they are up to but they definitely did fly a bunch of guys up there. Stranger though was a story I heard from a reliable source who told me that Oracle were cheating with regards to some construction rules. I figured they were talking about the last cup with the 45's but they said that it was just recent, and in regards to the foils. Made me wonder if maybe Oracle was behind the revisions to the foil rules - would be ironic no?

 

Please do go on

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Be better off building stanchions!

 

https://twitter.com/JSpithill

It's not a half bad idea. Obviously some aero issues and what not, but someone falling off the boat during the race is going to be a killer. It's not like this a really rare occurrence at this point...

Rat leaving the sinking ship.

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Look, it would be strange if Oracle weren't taking a second look and cycle powered grinders now that someone else has done it. Will they use it? Probably not, but they'll be re-evaluating if they got some performance number wrong, and if they did is it worth it to now switch at this late stage? Multi variant analysis, but this isn't exactly weekend warrior sailing. Like I said, it's an unlikely scenario but you have to do your due diligence when you're the defender or even a strong challenger with some spare $$$. Anyone remember the kite Oracle went sailing around with in Auckland in, I think, 2002? Do you think that caused a few other teams to evaluate kites downwind sailing? When ETNZ started foiling, do you think there was a re-evaluation by Oracle? Etc, etc, etc.

The difference between the two, is no team (let alone the Defender) had come out publicly and said they had looked at it, and decided against it because the sacrifices were too great, and they were happy with the direction they had taken and where they were at. I agree, its highly unlikely they would use it, but IF they decide there is merit in it, and change their design pathway so close to the Cup, it would definitely be an admission that not only had Oracle taken the wrong design direction, but also that the Kiwi's had taken the right direction, and that all the early talk of ETNZ being behind the Bermuda teams was just bluster and a smokescreen to mask their own shortcomings. If they did take that direction, would it matter? probably not, as you do what you have to, to win the Cup. If that means using (or copying) another teams ideas, then so be it. It will then come down to who does it better.

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What's worse - the skipper falling off, or the front falling off?

 

Re the pedals - too late for other teams, ETNZ is taking this flyer on their own. Pedals are clever, no question, but there are multiple avenues to address the HP requirement issues, it's just a matter of where where a team decides to put the brunt of it's resources. All other things being equal, the additional power might be an advantage, but of course all other things are not equal. We'll know when the fat lady sings.

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There's no way you can determine the angle of the rudder stabilizers from that distorted pic. Look at the torsos of the guys in the background.

 

He's been told that before (also here), for the same image (which is cropped from a larger image). The lens distortion is huge. And without any reference points, control or lense calibration data, making any claim related to accurate measurements is laughable.

 

But that will not deter him.

 

 

Whats laughable is saying that the slight distortion in that picture could change the pitch of the rudder foil related to the rudder leading edge-that's ridiculous.

 

You're a fucking imbecile. Even with zero distortion - never mid the exaggerated out of square distortion of the pic you posted to justify your idiotic thesis about what stabilizers do - you would never be able to determine the angle at anything approaching a degree or two of accuracy from a photo taken at an oblique angle at a distance.

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There's no way you can determine the angle of the rudder stabilizers from that distorted pic. Look at the torsos of the guys in the background.

 

He's been told that before (also here), for the same image (which is cropped from a larger image). The lens distortion is huge. And without any reference points, control or lense calibration data, making any claim related to accurate measurements is laughable.

 

But that will not deter him.

 

 

Whats laughable is saying that the slight distortion in that picture could change the pitch of the rudder foil related to the rudder leading edge-that's ridiculous.

 

You're a fucking imbecile. Even with zero distortion - never mid the exaggerated out of square distortion of the pic you posted to justify your idiotic thesis about what stabilizers do - you would never be able to determine the angle at anything approaching a degree or two of accuracy from a photo taken at an oblique angle at a distance.

 

Got the magic yellow lines out

 

Definitely 1.97 degrees

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Dang, very quick with putting out the onboard video, sweet

 

More about it now at

http://oracle-team-usa.americascup.com/en/news/291_ORACLE-TEAM-USA-capsize-no-injuries-minimal-damage.html

We never figured out what they were blurring the in the middle. Puzzles me because I can't think of too much that could there that could sensitive.

 

Any ideas since then?

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Looks like a drop of water on the lens. If they blurred it further, it may have been refracting an image of the foil.

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Dang, very quick with putting out the onboard video, sweet

 

More about it now at

http://oracle-team-usa.americascup.com/en/news/291_ORACLE-TEAM-USA-capsize-no-injuries-minimal-damage.html

We never figured out what they were blurring the in the middle. Puzzles me because I can't think of too much that could there that could sensitive.

 

Any ideas since then?

 

Maybe it's just water on the lens...

That said there is significant information for the crew on a panel on the bottom of the wing.

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Looks like a drop of water on the lens. If they blurred it further, it may have been refracting an image of the foil.

When i first saw it I also thought it was just a drop of water as well.

 

What could be a water drop is easily turned into a super secret anti spying procedure.

 

Only on AC Anarchy :)

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It's not water,it's a super secret Oracle polymer applied to the camera lens to always obstruct the view of that portion of the boat.

You have to have the reverse imaging polymer to see that area clearly.

 

Its where Larry rides.

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There's no way you can determine the angle of the rudder stabilizers from that distorted pic. Look at the torsos of the guys in the background.

He's been told that before (also here), for the same image (which is cropped from a larger image). The lens distortion is huge. And without any reference points, control or lense calibration data, making any claim related to accurate measurements is laughable.

 

But that will not deter him.

Whats laughable is saying that the slight distortion in that picture could change the pitch of the rudder foil related to the rudder leading edge-that's ridiculous.

You're a fucking imbecile. Even with zero distortion - never mid the exaggerated out of square distortion of the pic you posted to justify your idiotic thesis about what stabilizers do - you would never be able to determine the angle at anything approaching a degree or two of accuracy from a photo taken at an oblique angle at a distance.
no way!... surely you can measure thus stuff accurately with the eyeometer, on a unscaled photo, warped by a lens, with water on the lens, on a angle!...

 

 

Nah! Agree... DL is a imbecile!

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Last time I take the troll bait, grim, could you go back to CEO please, it's a pretty shitty move to use a slightly altered profile name as you are doing. Last time I respond to a troll I promise.

 

OR looking pretty bloody solid in their manoeuvres last few days eh! Beside the MOB that is. Looks like they have got the hang of those fancy new boards.

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Anyone notice the little square zones below and forward of the oracle logo, and below the E? Large_17880589_1314868991883477_26930094

 

Maybe they are cockpit drains

 

Nice one, makes sense. Thanks

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But are they drains for when the boat is right way up or wrong way up?

Given recent events, we first must determine which way is the right way up.

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Anyone notice the little square zones below and forward of the oracle logo, and below the E? Large_17880589_1314868991883477_26930094

Between the BMW logo and the PANERAI too

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^^ that was my initial thought, but given that the hulls don't spend much time in the water, I think more likely just straight drains. They are a weird shape though for drains of any type. Not a way you'd normally engineer that.

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They are anchor points to assist the tow truck crew when they come out on course to clean up the mess...

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