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Oracle Team USA owns other AC45's, but none are believed to be set up as surrogates

 

Et tu, RG? Oh, I give up

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Oracle Team USA owns other AC45's, but none are believed to be set up as surrogates

 

Et tu, RG? Oh, I give up
You non-native-speakers are such a PIA for correctness :) Knuckle-draggers like TC excepted (non-accepted?) of course.

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does ANY of this Really Matter at this point ??

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does ANY of this Really Matter at this point ??

NO! Never has, never will, except for as entertainment.

 

In my book it beats any other competitions, so there.

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how insightful of you to post what was already said umpteen times ? more swag if you do ? really Singray, you have had better time than this.

 

 

Why miss a chance to use a childish name to sully a Kiwi?

 

One of the few journalists actually taking any interest.

 

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Okay, Herbienav, it's true that, unlike you, RG did not jump on that ridiculous Herbie fantasy bandwagon until 3 days after the Herbiefool at WhaleOilBeef did, after some idiotic post to his site by some FB user named.. I forget at the moment. But RG did ultimately run with it and others did already run it, and the frenzied NZ media and public bought into it, the whole thing was a big joke, and plenty are permanently painted for that perpetual stupidity.

 

Herbie will live on in AC History, you just can't rewrite ridiculous.

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What is it with these, Kiwis? So much drama. :)

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They see cheaters.. every direction they look! :D

Mirror, mirror on the wall...no wait.

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That will please Oraclites :)

 

Marshals Service spokesman Frank Conroy said the containers were stickered and locked.

In maritime law terms, the boat was arrested.

Conroy said marshals believe the confiscated boat is the catamaran known as 4 Oracle Team USA.

He said marshals had a "very pleasant exchange" with syndicate members.

"We didn't get the feeling of anyone trying to hide anything from us," Conroy said.

 

 

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pretty good line

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''It is a match race and we have the lead at the first mark,'' Spooner's attorney, Patricia Barlow, said in an email to The Associated Press.

http://www.foxsports.com/olympics/story/marshals-seize-americas-cup-champs-boat-in-contract-spat-030915

Good for her. Personally, I can't imagine anything more soul destroying than taking on Oracle's legal team.

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pretty good line

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''It is a match race and we have the lead at the first mark,'' Spooner's attorney, Patricia Barlow, said in an email to The Associated Press.

http://www.foxsports.com/olympics/story/marshals-seize-americas-cup-champs-boat-in-contract-spat-030915

Good for her. Personally, I can't imagine anything more soul destroying than taking on Oracle's legal team.
Porthos, anyone, who is the legal team repping OTUSA here? Bowman still?

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pretty good line

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''It is a match race and we have the lead at the first mark,'' Spooner's attorney, Patricia Barlow, said in an email to The Associated Press.

http://www.foxsports.com/olympics/story/marshals-seize-americas-cup-champs-boat-in-contract-spat-030915

Good for her. Personally, I can't imagine anything more soul destroying than taking on Oracle's legal team.
Porthos, anyone, who is the legal team repping OTUSA here? Bowman still?

 

 

Definitely not Bowman, he was always GGYC, not the team.

 

 

"In a filing Friday, Oracle attorney David E. Russo said the boat that fired sailor Joe Spooner wants confiscated to satisfy the lien was sold to a French syndicate in December."

 

Probably this guy

http://www.sc-law.us/index.php?page_id=5

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does ANY of this Really Matter at this point ??

NO! Never has, never will, except for as entertainment.

 

In my book it beats any other competitions, so there.

 

 

you are writing a book? Will it start with "if anyone behaves like Evil Ernie I won't support them"

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If Larry ever tries to pull the same shit that Ernie has I'll be the first one to point the finger....

 

This was spinbots statement...right around the time that lazza was telling the world there will be 12 teams and it will be possible to challenge with a $5M budget....

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They see cheaters.. every direction they look! :D

No. Only when they look at Oracle Team USA.

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Let's try to sum up the lies for the Oraclites:

 

1 ) In an earlier filing, Oracle contended boat No. 4 hadn't been launched during Spooner's tenure with the team. . Spooner provided evidence showing him sailing and repairing the vessel in question.

 

2) In a filing Friday, Oracle attorney David E. Russo said the boat that fired sailor Joe Spooner wants confiscated to satisfy the lien was sold to a French syndicate in December.

However, a photo taken shortly after Team France took possession of that boat shows it has hull No. 5. The boat sought by Spooner has the hull No. 4.

 

3) Oracle argued that the boat was mismarked and although it said 4 on the hull, it was actually boat No. 5. The Marshall declare they found boat No 4

 

4) Oracle argues that Spooner stated he would not go Bermudas is not compensated. Where are the proofs ? none as far as we know.

OTUSA declares the can terminate the contract when they want. If so, why do they make this last point ?

 

Should we believe Spooner or Russo who lied 3 times to the court ?

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Just wondering, if Spooner is such a great employee and asset to the team, why did they want to can him?

Because he wouldn't roll over and be Russell's little bitch. They made a deal based on San francisco costs and logistics and then changed it to Bermuda.

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Sadly, in the America's Cup proper, guys like Spooner can be replaced by hundreds, if not thousands, of people. They're not helming or trimming or other highly specialised role - it's what else they bring to the team in testing and pre-Cup competition that they bank on being useful (and valuable) for. Maybe Spooner just overplayed his hand.

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apart from the noble but easy sport of yanking Stingers' chain ... anyone know how long (min/max) the cat can be chained, and in how far this would affect the Oracle team ? seems to me this Spooner case has little to none merit, so I expect those chains to be broken soon, but how soon is soon in this case, anyone know ?

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Sadly, in the America's Cup proper, guys like Spooner can be replaced by hundreds, if not thousands, of people. They're not helming or trimming or other highly specialised role - it's what else they bring to the team in testing and pre-Cup competition that they bank on being useful (and valuable) for. Maybe Spooner just overplayed his hand.

With respect, the real talent pool is much smaller than that, as many teams have learned the hard way.

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Albatross, you are right, I am wasting time and not getting paid for it.

 

I do think this will be resolved quickly. I suspect with a cash payment from OTUSA

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apart from the noble but easy sport of yanking Stingers' chain ... anyone know how long (min/max) the cat can be chained, and in how far this would affect the Oracle team ? seems to me this Spooner case has little to none merit, so I expect those chains to be broken soon, but how soon is soon in this case, anyone know ?

Under federal court rules, the magistrate judge basically had no choice but to issue the arrest warrant once Spooner's attorneys asserted there were exigent circumstances making court review prior to issuing the arrest warrant impracticable. And there were certainly exigent circumstances here. Oracle was in the process of moving everything to Bermuda. If the court used normal procedure and scheduled a hearing on whether to issue the arrest warrant, the boat could have been gone, outside the jurisdiction, and no longer subject to arrest by the time the court made that decision. Arresting the boat now was clearly the right decision so as to preserve the status quo pending a full hearing.

 

Those same court rules require that, once the boat has been arrested, Oracle receive a "prompt" hearing at which Spooner's attorneys must show why the arrest warrant should not be vacated. In other words, Spooner still bears the burden of proving that the arrest warrant should remain. "Prompt" usually means somewhere around two weeks, but that is an educated guess on my part based on other, analogous court rules. I would anticipate a hearing within the next 30 days. The parties can always agree to extend that and to the extent Oracle does not believe it needs boat 4 immediately, that might happen. We'll see.

 

That hearing will determine how long the boat remains arrested. If the court finds that Spooner may have a valid claim to place a lien on it, then the boat will remain arrested pending the outcome of the case, by settlement or otherwise. If the court finds that Spooner has not stated a valid claim to place a lien on the boat, then the boat will be released immediately.

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If the arrest of the boat causes Oracle additional expense, such as having to organise a second shipment to Bermuda, and subsequently Spooners case is shown to not have merit, could Oracle seek financial compensation from Spooner?

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If the arrest of the boat causes Oracle additional expense, such as having to organise a second shipment to Bermuda, and subsequently Spooners case is shown to not have merit, could Oracle seek financial compensation from Spooner?

No. All Spooner did was request the warrant; the magistrate judge decided to grant it. In recognition that seizing property prior to a hearing causes the property owner hardship, the court rules requires a prompt hearing to resolve the matter.

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Under federal court rules....................................................................................................................

That hearing will determine how long the boat remains arrested. If the court finds that Spooner may have a valid claim to place a lien on it, then the boat will remain arrested pending the outcome of the case, by settlement or otherwise. If the court finds that Spooner has not stated a valid claim to place a lien on the boat, then the boat will be released immediately.

 

Thanks, call me an old cynic but over the last years checking in on this forum has learned me more about the US legal system than about the AC. Although the legal decision is crystal clear, the whole matter -at least to silly ole' moi- smells like a (legally approved) round of blackmail, or is it really the case that if Oracle would have been able to ship the whole kaboodle over to Bermudistan before anybody could stop it, Spooner would not have had any case anymore against them ? and if Oracle is still using GGYC as poodle club, would that not be a direction Spooner could go too ?

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If the arrest of the boat causes Oracle additional expense, such as having to organise a second shipment to Bermuda, and subsequently Spooners case is shown to not have merit, could Oracle seek financial compensation from Spooner?

No. All Spooner did was request the warrant; the magistrate judge decided to grant it. In recognition that seizing property prior to a hearing causes the property owner hardship, the court rules requires a prompt hearing to resolve the matter.

 

Thanks for confirmation, and for your many other insights. Much appreciated.

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With respect, the real talent pool is much smaller than that, as many teams have learned the hard way.

 

 

For some positions, absolutely. For many others, not even close. Even AC boats need low-cost ditch diggers, and even OTUSA has 'em.

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With respect, the real talent pool is much smaller than that, as many teams have learned the hard way.

 

For some positions, absolutely. For many others, not even close. Even AC boats need low-cost ditch diggers, and even OTUSA has 'em.

Not at Spooner's pay grade.

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Under federal court rules....................................................................................................................

That hearing will determine how long the boat remains arrested. If the court finds that Spooner may have a valid claim to place a lien on it, then the boat will remain arrested pending the outcome of the case, by settlement or otherwise. If the court finds that Spooner has not stated a valid claim to place a lien on the boat, then the boat will be released immediately.

 

Thanks, call me an old cynic but over the last years checking in on this forum has learned me more about the US legal system than about the AC. Although the legal decision is crystal clear, the whole matter -at least to silly ole' moi- smells like a (legally approved) round of blackmail, or is it really the case that if Oracle would have been able to ship the whole kaboodle over to Bermudistan before anybody could stop it, Spooner would not have had any case anymore against them ? and if Oracle is still using GGYC as poodle club, would that not be a direction Spooner could go too ?

 

The boat only acts as security for any judgment Oracle is required to pay. If Oracle had already shipped the boat out of the jurisdiction such that it could not be arrested, Spooner could still continue with his claim and Oracle would be required to pay any judgment Spooner receives as a result of the suit. By having the boat arrested, Spooner can potentially put a lien on it such that should Oracle refuse to pay the judgment, Spooner could collect on the judgment lien if Oracle ever sells the boat or, more likely, Spooner could seek to force the sale of the boat to satisfy the lien. In all reality, Oracle Racing certainly has the funds available to pay off any judgment Spooner may get such that the lien is probably not necessary. That is a simplification of the legal nuances, but that's basically it.

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Under federal court rules....................................................................................................................

That hearing will determine how long the boat remains arrested. If the court finds that Spooner may have a valid claim to place a lien on it, then the boat will remain arrested pending the outcome of the case, by settlement or otherwise. If the court finds that Spooner has not stated a valid claim to place a lien on the boat, then the boat will be released immediately.

 

Thanks, call me an old cynic but over the last years checking in on this forum has learned me more about the US legal system than about the AC. Although the legal decision is crystal clear, the whole matter -at least to silly ole' moi- smells like a (legally approved) round of blackmail, or is it really the case that if Oracle would have been able to ship the whole kaboodle over to Bermudistan before anybody could stop it, Spooner would not have had any case anymore against them ? and if Oracle is still using GGYC as poodle club, would that not be a direction Spooner could go too ?

 

The boat only acts as security for any judgment Oracle is required to pay. If Oracle had already shipped the boat out of the jurisdiction such that it could not be arrested, Spooner could still continue with his claim and Oracle would be required to pay any judgment Spooner receives as a result of the suit. By having the boat arrested, Spooner can potentially put a lien on it such that should Oracle refuse to pay the judgment, Spooner could collect on the judgment lien if Oracle ever sells the boat or, more likely, Spooner could seek to force the sale of the boat to satisfy the lien. In all reality, Oracle Racing certainly has the funds available to pay off any judgment Spooner may get such that the lien is probably not necessary. That is a simplification of the legal nuances, but that's basically it.

 

thanks again, looks to me that this is a confirmation Spooner and his legal eagles are trying to hold Oracle at ransom, even if you don't say it in so many words (no problemo).

The whole Spooner thing "give me a 50% raise to relocate", especially considering that his base wages of 25k are already pretty sweet looks like quite silly so I'd sack him on the spot too. But then on the other hand, " ye reap what ye sow" ... once upon a time I was looking at the crafted glass windows in Tollesbury church, where you see some glassworks about the first AC races and the hired hands at that time were hired for glory and a guinea, or whatever it was at the time.

http://www.smackdock.co.uk/church/church.htm

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Nice link!

just you try to sail into that place... but then of course ... what sailing xperience do you have ? B) (hint : those whitiies on the south channel are to be interpreted with some degree of libertyb or rather,.. local savvy)

http://www.tollesburysc.com/about-the-club/location-and-local-sailing/

 

 

p.s. when did you last sail ? (for me it was yesterday, slightly freezing but wall to wall sun )

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Yep, seldom sail. Spent much of another Sunday this weekend looking at some-day boats, do want to get back into it.

 

Racing is expensive.

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so, dogwatch, seeing (you are right) it is a contract between companies, why did the "termination letter" not just say "we understand your quote for a new contract between our companies is now 38'000, and we are not willing to pay that for your services. Let us know if 25'000 dollars is going to be acceptable to you, and if it is not, we will not be able to (extend or renew) your contract with us"?

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The distinction is whether Spooner's new number was an either/or demand or just a request. But since the contract he originally signed gave either party the right to end the contract, for any reason, it may not make any difference legally.

 

One of the arguments his lawyer makes is that the any-time clause in the new offer he signed was not made obvious enough to him. But since he did sign it, the ruling may again ride on that clause.

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Oracle Team USA owns other AC45's, but none are believed to be set up as surrogates

Et tu, RG? Oh, I give up
You non-native-speakers are such a PIA for correctness :) TC excepted (non-accepted?) of course.

 

Coming from one of the only two remaining Oracly correct speakers...........BTW, where is your surrogate ?

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Just nudge those boxes off the end of the Pier. They should float OK.

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Nice link!

+1

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so, dogwatch, seeing (you are right) it is a contract between companies, why did the "termination letter" not just say "we understand your quote for a new contract between our companies is now 38'000, and we are not willing to pay that for your services. Let us know if 25'000 dollars is going to be acceptable to you, and if it is not, we will not be able to (extend or renew) your contract with us"?

 

Because (if the letter is to be believed) Spooner has already said that he would not relocate without the increase.

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So I guess that this photo is of a container that was shipped long time ago and is now in France. When are where did you say that this photo was taken. :)

 

Wouldn't it be better if Oracle once, just once would stop lying and cheating and did there things correctly? But if they did that they would be accused for cheating as they had to do everything differently and people would thing that they are behaving in a very strange and un-oracely way. :o

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I'm not familiar with US law but in some EU countries if a "company" only has one client and employee it is sometimes considered a regular employment contract.

This is to prevent exactly what OR is doing, namely firing someone without cause and not offering compensation etc.

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I'm not familiar with US law but in some EU countries if a "company" only has one client and employee it is sometimes considered a regular employment contract.

This is to prevent exactly what OR is doing, namely firing someone without cause and not offering compensation etc.

The law in California (and the remainder of the United States) is that contracts of any kind, employment or otherwise, can be terminated according to their terms. Those terms can allow termination at any time for any reason. In the employment context, that is called being an employee "at will," which means the employer (absent special conditions not present here) can terminate your employment at any time for any reason. Contracts can also only permit an employer to terminate an employee for cause. Those are much more rare in the United States.

 

Oracle is claiming that its contract with Spooner gave Oracle the right to terminate him at any time for any reason (i.e., that Spooner was an employee "at-will"). Spooner is claiming that the contract only gave Oracle the right to terminate him for cause. The judge will have to decide which interpretation of the contract is correct and that is what this whole case will hinge on.

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~Stingray~, on 10 Mar 2015 - 11:50 PM, said:

 

Yep, seldom sail.

a bit off topic but still... is this yet another Oracle conspiracy in the making ????

 

woke up this morning to the sound of a stinkpotter passing by and parking itself close by, next when I stick my head out, what do I see ?

not that I know each and every boat outhere (there are more than 2000 ...) but this one is new to me, never seen it here, so what's this now ? what have you got to say for yourself ? :ph34r:

 

sorry for the silly hijack, back to our regular program : Californicatorial legalese 101

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The law in California (and the remainder of the United States) is that contracts of any kind, employment or otherwise, can be terminated according to their terms. Those terms can allow termination at any time for any reason. In the employment context, that is called being an employee "at will," which means the employer (absent special conditions not present here) can terminate your employment at any time for any reason. Contracts can also only permit an employer to terminate an employee for cause. Those are much more rare in the United States.

 

Oracle is claiming that its contract with Spooner gave Oracle the right to terminate him at any time for any reason (i.e., that Spooner was an employee "at-will"). Spooner is claiming that the contract only gave Oracle the right to terminate him for cause. The judge will have to decide which interpretation of the contract is correct and that is what this whole case will hinge on.

 

I'm not a lawyer and I've not seen all the documents in this case, so take this with a grain of salt, but I understand there to be other claims by Spooner:

  1. His visa mandated a fixed term contract. The question is whether or not that would trump termination language in the contract.
  2. Oracle breached the contract for reimbursement of expenses, and attempted to use termination to coerce Spooner into covering part of his expenses, which would have resulted a lower effective rate of compensation than stated in the contract. The question is whether or not that would constitute breach and/or wrongful termination.

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It is an O-1 visa

 

 

http://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/temporary-workers/o-1-individuals-extraordinary-ability-or-achievement/o-1-visa-individuals-extraordinary-ability-or-achievement

 

I don't see any indication in that text that it is necessarily linked to a fixed term contract.

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So I guess that this photo is of a container that was shipped long time ago and is now in France. When are where did you say that this photo was taken. :)

 

Wouldn't it be better if Oracle once, just once would stop lying and cheating and did there things correctly? But if they did that they would be accused for cheating as they had to do everything differently and people would thing that they are behaving in a very strange and un-oracely way. :o

 

I don't think Spooner was right asking for more money as Bermudas may be much better to live than SF,

I don't think seizing a boat was right as the team has the money to pay if necessary,

but I think the worst are the constant OR lies.

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I don't think Spooner was right asking for more money as Bermudas may be much better to live than SF,

I don't think seizing a boat was right as the team has the money to pay if necessary,

but I think the worst are the constant OR lies.

 

 

 

I think seizing a boat was the very right thing to do as if they did not do that nothing will happen. Now it is a bit of pressure to get things moving. OR do have a bit of history of doing things there own way and not always the right way. If they could come out stopping bullshitting people might start supporting them again.

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In French

 

Philippe Presti, the Coach of the Oracle Team USA crew gave a presentation on : how the succesfull win of the America's cup was based on talent with the backup of Big Data technology.
Big Data Discovery - Big Data Trade Show in Paris.

 

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Includes some fun footage from the past

 

Published on Mar 11, 2015

Ian Burns, Director of Performence at the Oracle Team USA, expert in building extremely fast boats, shares the secrets on how to win The America's Cup. Ian Burns's mini-lecture introduces students to the Children's University lesson plan "Why do ships float?" To see the entire scenario, go to: http://www.childrensuniversity.eu

 

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Published on Mar 10, 2015

Sail Racing, the innovative clothing company that designs and manufactures high performance marine gear, has become the Official Clothing Partner for the America’s Cup and ORACLE TEAM USA.

 

 

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Oracle optimistic they can secure catamarans release

Oracle Team USA officials remained tight-lipped yesterday over the arrest of the racing syndicates AC45 catamaran.

However, the Americas Cup holders are reportedly optimistic that their multihull yacht will be allowed to begin its delayed journey to Bermuda soon.

It is understood that Oracle have legal options that would allow their AC45 to continue its journey to the teams Bermuda base at the Royal Naval Dockyard while the ongoing dispute with Spooner plays itself out before the court.

http://mobile.royalgazette.com/article/20150312/SPORT30/150319882

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Oracle optimistic they can secure catamarans release

Oracle Team USA officials remained tight-lipped yesterday over the arrest of the racing syndicates AC45 catamaran.

However, the Americas Cup holders are reportedly optimistic that their multihull yacht will be allowed to begin its delayed journey to Bermuda soon.

It is understood that Oracle have legal options that would allow their AC45 to continue its journey to the teams Bermuda base at the Royal Naval Dockyard while the ongoing dispute with Spooner plays itself out before the court.

http://mobile.royalgazette.com/article/20150312/SPORT30/150319882

 

Sure. Post a bond. "All it takes is money", of which it has an ample supply. ;)

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Published on Mar 10, 2015

Sail Racing, the innovative clothing company that designs and manufactures high performance marine gear, has become the Official Clothing Partner for the America’s Cup and ORACLE TEAM USA.

 

 

 

 

The most expensive foulies in the history of sailing join forces with the richest team to ever win the AC!

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The most expensive foulies in the history of sailing join forces with the richest team to ever win the AC!

 

[yawn]

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pretty much. there is nothing more tiring than uncreative media people writing press releases or making movies for a sponsor announcement.

 

But everyone's gotta eat, I guess

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Published on Mar 10, 2015

Sail Racing, the innovative clothing company that designs and manufactures high performance marine gear, has become the Official Clothing Partner for the America’s Cup and ORACLE TEAM USA.

 

 

 

 

The most expensive foulies in the history of sailing join forces with the richest team to ever win the AC!

 

 

and not very good foulies either.. Funny, its often small things like this that few notice that signals poor decision making in a bigger organisation

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Buy an ad....oh, they did...

 

So Simmer's big contribution so far is pimping for Racor, bit sad....

 

Presti - No comprende

 

Fresh at least sounds passionate about what he's involved in and explains it all well

 

Saw the foulie ad a few days back - not worth posting here imo

 

Now that the office is open in Hamilton it seems the OTUSA PR machine is back in business - hope you guys had a nice year off, place needs a bit of an airing - smells funny!

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The most expensive foulies in the history of sailing join forces with the richest team to ever win the AC!

[yawn]

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Expensive, I think you forgot about the days when Patagonia sold foulies, now those were top dollar!

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In summation Spooner doesn't have a shot in hell and has pretty much killed his chance to continue as a pro sailor .

Only thing spooner is guilty of was trusting Coutts and Simmer. He may not win this case, but he'll get work. Real question is why anyone trusts Coutts.

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In summation Spooner doesn't have a shot in hell and has pretty much killed his chance to continue as a pro sailor .

 

"A sub issue is whether the vessel Spooner actually sailed on is the one in the containers that have been stickered. Apparently, the numbers painted on the sides of the boats and their actual serial numbers may not match and 4 may not really be 4. Do not expect the Court to try to figure out under which walnut shell 4 really can be found." - See more at: http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2015/03/15/americas-cup-courts-and-sailor-compensation/#sthash.vUY1TFd3.dpuf

 

slightly glosses over the boat 4 show, and tries to assign blame to Spooner for lying their asses off over boat 4.

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Expensive, I think you forgot about the days when Patagonia sold foulies, now those were top dollar!

 

 

Yea but the smock was very cool even though it looked like a dress, plus I still have a nice serviceable early 90's jacket picked up at Svenson's.

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In summation Spooner doesn't have a shot in hell and has pretty much killed his chance to continue as a pro sailor .
Only thing spooner is guilty of was trusting Coutts and Simmer. He may not win this case, but he'll get work. Real question is why anyone trusts Coutts.

 

Agreed. Friedman's opinion should be taken with a grain of salt -- he ignores the issue of wrongful termination.

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In summation Spooner doesn't have a shot in hell and has pretty much killed his chance to continue as a pro sailor .
Only thing spooner is guilty of was trusting Coutts and Simmer. He may not win this case, but he'll get work. Real question is why anyone trusts Coutts.

Agreed. Friedman's opinion should be taken with a grain of salt -- he ignores the issue of wrongful termination.

It was an at-will contract, he's not going to win anything. Probably shouldn't have demanded that raise, there are only 8 sailor spots on the boat (and no 2 boat testing this time either) so.. Seems he overvalued himself and it backfired. That, or he has alternative things he'd prefer to do instead unless he got a big raise.

 

The big point made by GS was to stick to the (increased) housing allowance policy in a consistent way for everybody.

 

By Corey F's account the boat's release may be settled in a hearing tomorrow, through the posting of a bond if necessary.

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Agreed. Friedman's opinion should be taken with a grain of salt -- he ignores the issue of wrongful termination.

It was an at-will contract, he's not going to win anything. Probably shouldn't have demanded that raise, there are only 8 sailor spots on the boat (and no 2 boat testing this time either) so.. Seems he overvalued himself and it backfired.

 

The big point made by GS was to stick to the (increased) housing allowance policy in a consistent way for everybody.

 

By Corey F's account the boat's release may be settled in a hearing tomorrow, through the posting of a bond if necessary.

 

The issue was expenses, per the contract, not wages.

Equality in housing allowance (expenses) isn't part of the contract.

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Actually, housing expense allowance is very expressly a part of the contract. It gets broken down by the exact number of dependencies in spouse and children.

 

If you're looking to trash RC, this case is not the argument except for in the larger decision to go to Bermuda - a decision I understand but still very much dislike.

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In summation Spooner doesn't have a shot in hell and has pretty much killed his chance to continue as a pro sailor .

 

Only thing spooner is guilty of was trusting Coutts and Simmer. He may not win this case, but he'll get work. Real question is why anyone trusts Coutts.

 

Agreed. Friedman's opinion should be taken with a grain of salt -- he ignores the issue of wrongful termination.

 

In a state with at will employment ?

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Especially given the ruling today against Uber and Lyft, I still wonder how Oracle can offer these type of independent contractor contracts, when clearly the sailors are not.

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To be settled tomorrow according to Cory. Or at least the boat arrest part.

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Maybe the judge will award the boat to MSP's AC Trust? Or if TC gets his way then perhaps Capt K get a piece of it? Peskin? The possibilities here are so exciting, the kit probably includes an automatic ride-height control secret.

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Maybe the judge will award the boat to MSP's AC Trust? Or if TC gets his way then perhaps Capt K get a piece of it? Peskin? The possibilities here are so exciting, the kit probably includes an automatic ride-height control secret.

Don't worry too much, you'll get your VIP pass for the next AC, ..........................along with your surrogate poster.

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Maybe the judge will award the boat to MSP's AC Trust? Or if TC gets his way then perhaps Capt K get a piece of it? Peskin? The possibilities here are so exciting, the kit probably includes an automatic ride-height control secret.

Don't worry too much, you'll get your VIP pass for the next AC, ..........................along with your surrogate poster.
Oh yeah, am absolutely counting on it, it's the only reason I follow this forum.

 

Speaking of, has anyone tried booking accommodations in BDA for 2017? Friends of mine want to go, so perhaps I will make it happen too.

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Maybe the judge will award the boat to MSP's AC Trust? Or if TC gets his way then perhaps Capt K get a piece of it? Peskin? The possibilities here are so exciting, the kit probably includes an automatic ride-height control secret.

Don't worry too much, you'll get your VIP pass for the next AC, ..........................along with your surrogate poster.
Oh yeah, am absolutely counting on it, it's the only reason I follow this forum.

 

Speaking of, has anyone tried booking accommodations in BDA for 2017? Friends of mine want to go, so perhaps I will make it happen too.

 

I'd like to meet up for a drink, it'd be fun. O by the way, did you ever go to San Fransisco?

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