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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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Sailrocket 3 - The Offshore version

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DubTray, I do not, as it happens, but you have prompted me to ponder an important question. A recent proa thread http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=183030 which I had the strange experience of reading, gives some background on the bizarre conflict between certain Pacific and Atlantic proa people. What is particularly striking is the seemingly very small number of proas that have ever been built so that arguments are all based on literally one or two boats ever. DL comes in for all sorts of criticism for not building anything but the good news is everyone else is building and progressing so at least we're not arguing about 1976.

 

Meanwhile, Paul Larsen goes and builds what I suppose is a foiling Proa, and maybe I missed all this but he didn't seem bring out the crazies all that much. My question is, does proa crazy cancel out foil crazy? Or does actually building a thing tend to make everyone shut up. Or am I crazy?

 

Good luck with making the force aligned sailing boat models. It seems like a really good procrastination activity at work.

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DubTray, I do not, as it happens, but you have prompted me to ponder an important question. A recent proa thread http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=183030 which I had the strange experience of reading, gives some background on the bizarre conflict between certain Pacific and Atlantic proa people. What is particularly striking is the seemingly very small number of proas that have ever been built so that arguments are all based on literally one or two boats ever. DL comes in for all sorts of criticism for not building anything but the good news is everyone else is building and progressing so at least we're not arguing about 1976.

 

Meanwhile, Paul Larsen goes and builds what I suppose is a foiling Proa, and maybe I missed all this but he didn't seem bring out the crazies all that much. My question is, does proa crazy cancel out foil crazy? Or does actually building a thing tend to make everyone shut up. Or am I crazy?

 

Good luck with making the force aligned sailing boat models. It seems like a really good procrastination activity at work.

 

Anyone who criticizes me for "not building anything" is an uninformed idiot. Just look at my gallery here and on boat design -and thats only part of the model and fullsize boats I've designed and built.......

 

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showuser=30

 

http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=31218

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Does anyone else here compulsively google sailrocket 3 while compulsively making small models of force aligned proas or flip tackers or canting mast trimarans or some other dream of a force aligned sailing vessel?

 

You bet! I got it so bad that I built a canting rig for my 12m/40' proa. Still getting the bugs out of the rest of it, but will try the canting "soon".

 

Foiling Optimist:

There are enough proas built and sailing to know what works and what doesn't. I have been building them for 20 years, still get abused every time I post (down to one or two people, from a high of about 20, so things are improving), so building does not seem to prevent the crazies. Not everyone who reads the threads thinks they are a waste. The interested people contact me direct to avoid the abuse and idiocy.

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DubTray, I do not, as it happens, but you have prompted me to ponder an important question. A recent proa thread http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=183030 which I had the strange experience of reading, gives some background on the bizarre conflict between certain Pacific and Atlantic proa people. What is particularly striking is the seemingly very small number of proas that have ever been built so that arguments are all based on literally one or two boats ever. DL comes in for all sorts of criticism for not building anything but the good news is everyone else is building and progressing so at least we're not arguing about 1976.

 

Meanwhile, Paul Larsen goes and builds what I suppose is a foiling Proa, and maybe I missed all this but he didn't seem bring out the crazies all that much. My question is, does proa crazy cancel out foil crazy? Or does actually building a thing tend to make everyone shut up. Or am I crazy?

 

Good luck with making the force aligned sailing boat models. It seems like a really good procrastination activity at work.

 

Anyone who criticizes me for "not building anything" is an uninformed idiot. Just look at my gallery here and on boat design -and thats only part of the model and fullsize boats I've designed and built.......

 

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showuser=30

 

http://www.boatdesign.net/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=31218

 

 

 

Now look what you've gone and done FO!! :( :(

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*bump*

There is a bit about the project on CNN. Looks like Paul had enough sailing in a straight line. Why sail for a mile if you could try tor the Blue Ribbon instead?

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Thanks for the story link.  Glad to see Paul has not been lounging too much.  Hopefully he is lurking around here and can give us some crumbs to chew on.

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On 7/6/2017 at 1:08 PM, Chasm said:

*bump*

There is a bit about the project on CNN. Looks like Paul had enough sailing in a straight line. Why sail for a mile if you could try tor the Blue Ribbon instead?

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I heard "asymmetric boat"...

A proa?

 

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I'll hit him up this week

 

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On 08/07/2017 at 9:52 AM, Laurent said:

I heard "asymmetric boat"...

A proa?

 

I heard that too.

The ultimate weather gamble, an asymetric boat!

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12 hours ago, Jethrow said:

I heard that too.

The ultimate weather gamble, an asymetric boat!

If it is an asymmetric tacking boat, like a trimaran with different boards on the ama, or a rig permanently tilted on one side, or a MASSIVE tacking canoe (one long main hull with an ama on one side only), then YES; it is a weather gamble...

But if it is a "true" proa, shunting from one tack to the other, then it is not.

It would be interesting to see how a 150 ft long shunting proa, in archimedian mode, not weighting more than the current ultim class trimarans, would perform...

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So, a tacking outrigger Malagasy style ?

For a NY -  Lizard record could work , around the world I would prefer a proa, shunting, unless one has to pull off the number of tacks that Coville had.

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20 hours ago, Laurent said:

If it is an asymmetric tacking boat, like a trimaran with different boards on the ama, or a rig permanently tilted on one side, or a MASSIVE tacking canoe (one long main hull with an ama on one side only), then YES; it is a weather gamble...

But if it is a "true" proa, shunting from one tack to the other, then it is not.

It would be interesting to see how a 150 ft long shunting proa, in archimedian mode, not weighting more than the current ultim class trimarans, would perform...

Fast.  At 150+ feet it would be extremely fast.

 

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3 hours ago, Potter said:

Why go so big?

Because size does not matter.

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