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Five and Happy, I assume you'll start a push for mandatory flu vaccinations now, given how much you care about saving lives. This IS about saving lives, right?

 

No flash is was about a rather modest suggestion that the government (as lead by BHO) could finally get out ahead of a crisis with a bit to planning before the fact. Instead our fearless leader cleverly dismissed prudence and basically lied to us yet again.

 

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try the Sunday morning talk shows.

 

First is Meet the Press.

 

Then there's CBS's show with Bob Schieffer.

 

Watch them both.

 

That's two slices of humble pie for you

 

 

Sol's pretending to ignore you. What a dick. :lol:

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Five and Happy, I assume you'll start a push for mandatory flu vaccinations now, given how much you care about saving lives. This IS about saving lives, right?

 

No flash is was about a rather modest suggestion that the government (as lead by BHO) could finally get out ahead of a crisis with a bit to planning before the fact. Instead our fearless leader cleverly dismissed prudence and basically lied to us yet again.

 

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Was it really false comfort?

 

Only two nurses got sick. That's dealing with the possible case that showed up safely for the rest, which is the vast majority of them. Oba was right again! Not much to worry about at all. Well, except for those two people.

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One person has died so far, who made it into the country before becoming symptomatic. He infected two caregivers so far. Not exactly the run away black death we've been lead to fear. That's why I was/am not worried about Ebola coming here.

 

You did get one person good and worked up, Dum Dum, but I suspect he's been convinced of the impending end of the world since about 1/20/09 anyway.

 

 

This thread is about spreading Fearbola.

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Five and Happy, I assume you'll start a push for mandatory flu vaccinations now, given how much you care about saving lives. This IS about saving lives, right?

No flash is was about a rather modest suggestion that the government (as lead by BHO) could finally get out ahead of a crisis with a bit to planning before the fact. Instead our fearless leader cleverly dismissed prudence and basically lied to us yet again.

 

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Was it really false comfort?

 

Only two nurses got sick. That's dealing with the possible case that showed up safely for the rest, which is the vast majority of them. Oba was right again! Not much to worry about at all. Well, except for those two people.

I would expect that the emergency department that the initial case presented to would have been populated by numerous other people that needed treatment. That only 2 others, those that helped treat the initial case, have been infected, would suggest the comments by some on this thread are scaremongering.

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Five and Happy, I assume you'll start a push for mandatory flu vaccinations now, given how much you care about saving lives. This IS about saving lives, right?

No flash is was about a rather modest suggestion that the government (as lead by BHO) could finally get out ahead of a crisis with a bit to planning before the fact. Instead our fearless leader cleverly dismissed prudence and basically lied to us yet again.

 

10zbxab.png

Was it really false comfort?

 

Only two nurses got sick. That's dealing with the possible case that showed up safely for the rest, which is the vast majority of them. Oba was right again! Not much to worry about at all. Well, except for those two people.

I would expect that the emergency department that the initial case presented to would have been populated by numerous other people that needed treatment. That only 2 others, those that helped treat the initial case, have been infected, would suggest the comments by some on this thread are scaremongering.

 

It would also suggest that this comment was right on the money:

 

Sean G. Kaufman, who oversaw infection control at Emory University Hospital while it treated Dr. Kent Brantly and Nancy Writebol, the first two American Ebola patients, called the earlier C.D.C. guidelines “absolutely irresponsible and dead wrong.”

 

I wonder why they bother with negative pressure rooms for Ebola? I mean, we're talking negative air pressure, a defense against airborne disease. This isn't one, so why bother?

 

Yet, they bother.

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Precisely - why bother if it's not necessary? Why any hospital can do this....

 

As an "induhpendant" and "conservative" Sol should be outraged by so much expenditure on things which just aren't justified according to his thinking.

 

Hell they even appointed a czar..

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oh and to answer the topic question - apparently Obama is. NOW at least.

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Pro-Ebola Obama takes fear mongering to the next level -

 

U.S. Military 'Strike Team' Will Be Deployed To Fight Ebola

 

“In response to a request by the Department of Health and Human Services — and as an added prudent measure to ensure our nation is ready to respond quickly, effectively, and safely in the event of additional Ebola cases in the United States — (Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel) today ordered his Northern Command Commander, Gen. Chuck Jacoby, to prepare and train a 30-person expeditionary medical support team that could, if required, provide short-notice assistance to civilian medical professionals in the United States,” Kirby said...

....Since the military does not have health resources to contribute beyond the substantial resources of the NIH, CDC and a small army of world experts on infectious diseases who are already involved, it would seem the sole reason for its involvement is to inject what has so far been lacking: effective organization.. (link)

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Pro-Ebola Obama takes fear mongering to the next level -

 

U.S. Military 'Strike Team' Will Be Deployed To Fight Ebola

 

“In response to a request by the Department of Health and Human Services — and as an added prudent measure to ensure our nation is ready to respond quickly, effectively, and safely in the event of additional Ebola cases in the United States — (Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel) today ordered his Northern Command Commander, Gen. Chuck Jacoby, to prepare and train a 30-person expeditionary medical support team that could, if required, provide short-notice assistance to civilian medical professionals in the United States,” Kirby said...

....Since the military does not have health resources to contribute beyond the substantial resources of the NIH, CDC and a small army of world experts on infectious diseases who are already involved, it would seem the sole reason for its involvement is to inject what has so far been lacking: effective organization.. (link)

That editorial is remarkable for its ignorance.

 

USNORTHCOM's mission is homeland defense, defined broadly, and includes, prominently, logistical support of civilian agencies responding to emergencies. The NIH and CDC do not fly people and materiel around or build things.

 

The Army has great depth of expertise and a proud history in tropical and infectious diseases. It owns one of the premier research facilities (complete with BSL-4 lab) in the world, USAMRIID at Ft. Detrick. USAMRIID was tasked under GWB with a role in protection of the civilian population from potential bioterrorist agents, including viral hemorrhagic fevers.

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Pro-Ebola Obama takes fear mongering to the next level -

 

 

U.S. Military 'Strike Team' Will Be Deployed To Fight Ebola

In response to a request by the Department of Health and Human Services and as an added prudent measure to ensure our nation is ready to respond quickly, effectively, and safely in the event of additional Ebola cases in the United States (Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel) today ordered his Northern Command Commander, Gen. Chuck Jacoby, to prepare and train a 30-person expeditionary medical support team that could, if required, provide short-notice assistance to civilian medical professionals in the United States, Kirby said...

....Since the military does not have health resources to contribute beyond the substantial resources of the NIH, CDC and a small army of world experts on infectious diseases who are already involved, it would seem the sole reason for its involvement is to inject what has so far been lacking: effective organization.. (link)

That editorial is remarkable for its ignorance.

 

USNORTHCOM's mission is homeland defense, defined broadly, and includes, prominently, logistical support of civilian agencies responding to emergencies. The NIH and CDC do not fly people and materiel around or build things.

 

The Army has great depth of expertise and a proud history in tropical and infectious diseases. It owns one of the premier research facilities (complete with BSL-4 lab) in the world, USAMRIID at Ft. Detrick. USAMRIID was tasked under GWB with a role in protection of the civilian population from potential bioterrorist agents, including viral hemorrhagic fevers.

Army medicine doesn't get the spotlight like the bangey things do. Thanks for the reminder

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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/texas-ebola-watch-ends-dozens-contacts-thomas-eric-duncan-n229491

 

The first wave of people who had contact with the original Dallas Ebola patient were taken off a watch list early Monday, marking a moment of relief for more than 40 people even as dozens more continue to be monitored by officials.

 

Midnight (1 a.m. ET) marked the end of 21 days since the diagnosis of Thomas Eric Duncan, who was treated and died at the Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas. Ebola has a 21-day incubation period, and when a case is confirmed officials monitor anyone who had contact with that person for three weeks.

 

Authorities in Texas said Monday that 43 people were cleared from monitoring for symptoms and could resume normal life.

 

“We are so happy this is coming to an end, and we are so grateful that none of us has shown any sign of illness,” Louise Troh, Duncan’s fiancée and mother to the couple’s son, said in a statement late Sunday. Troh and three other people have been under quarantine, ordered by the government not to go out in public.

 

 

CDC Updates Ebola Protocol as Anxiety RisesNIGHTLY NEWS

 

 

 

None of those who came in contact with Duncan before he was put in isolation have shown signs of contracting the virus.

 

Amid the relief, more than 70 health workers who cared for Duncan when he was in isolation remain under watch.

 

Two nurses at the hospital, Nina Pham and Amber Vinson, contracted the deadly virus and have been hospitalized. “They are blameless in this situation,” said Clay Jenkins, the top elected official in Dallas County. “They are victims of Ebola. They are not at fault for contracting this disease in any way.”

 

Troh’s daughter, Youngor Jallah, who also ended her monitoring period Monday, has stayed in an apartment she shares with her partner and their children, according to The Associated Press.

 

“I'm telling you, just to step outside will be so great,” she told the AP. “To hug my mom and grieve for Eric, not over the phone like we’ve been doing, but in the flesh.”

 

Read more at NBC Dallas-Fort Worth

 

More good news came from the World Health Organization with its declaration that Nigeria was free of Ebola cases. A Liberian-American man carried the virus to Africa's most populous country in July, and 19 people became infected.

 

Ebola has killed 4,546 people across Liberia, Guinea and Sierra Leone, the three worst-affected countries. Nigeria had 20 cases in total, of which eight died.

 

More than 9,000 people in West Africa have been infected with Ebola, and half have died, sparking fears in the U.S. and elsewhere that the virus could spread.

 

Ebola spreads by close physical contact with the bodily fluids of someone who is infected and symptomatic. But despite the threat of the Ebola crisis growing exponentially in West Africa, Americans have little reason to fear the disease spreading here, experts told NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Sunday.

 

The Pentagon is fielding a 30-person expeditionary medical support team to provide immediate assistance to civilian health professionals in the U.S. if additional Ebola cases arise. The team will include 20 critical care nurses, five doctors trained in infectious disease and five trainers in infectious disease protocols, the Pentagon said in a statement.

 

New York Senator Charles E. Schumer on Sunday called on the Center for Disease Control to station a team of experts in New York City, saying JFK and Newark airports receive the majority of traffic coming from West Africa.

 

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

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Pro-Ebola Obama takes fear mongering to the next level -

 

U.S. Military 'Strike Team' Will Be Deployed To Fight Ebola

 

“In response to a request by the Department of Health and Human Services — and as an added prudent measure to ensure our nation is ready to respond quickly, effectively, and safely in the event of additional Ebola cases in the United States — (Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel) today ordered his Northern Command Commander, Gen. Chuck Jacoby, to prepare and train a 30-person expeditionary medical support team that could, if required, provide short-notice assistance to civilian medical professionals in the United States,” Kirby said...

....Since the military does not have health resources to contribute beyond the substantial resources of the NIH, CDC and a small army of world experts on infectious diseases who are already involved, it would seem the sole reason for its involvement is to inject what has so far been lacking: effective organization.. (link)

That editorial is remarkable for its ignorance.

 

USNORTHCOM's mission is homeland defense, defined broadly, and includes, prominently, logistical support of civilian agencies responding to emergencies. The NIH and CDC do not fly people and materiel around or build things.

 

The Army has great depth of expertise and a proud history in tropical and infectious diseases. It owns one of the premier research facilities (complete with BSL-4 lab) in the world, USAMRIID at Ft. Detrick. USAMRIID was tasked under GWB with a role in protection of the civilian population from potential bioterrorist agents, including viral hemorrhagic fevers.

 

That's good to know.

 

My post was aimed at people who believe that Ebola should be of little concern to us here in the US and that knee jerk reactions that spread unwarranted fear should be mocked.

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Five and Happy, I assume you'll start a push for mandatory flu vaccinations now, given how much you care about saving lives. This IS about saving lives, right?

 

No flash is was about a rather modest suggestion that the government (as lead by BHO) could finally get out ahead of a crisis with a bit to planning before the fact. Instead our fearless leader cleverly dismissed prudence and basically lied to us yet again.

 

10zbxab.png

 

Was it really false comfort?

 

Only two nurses got sick. That's dealing with the possible case that showed up safely for the rest, which is the vast majority of them. Oba was right again! Not much to worry about at all. Well, except for those two people.

 

Two to one ratio? If that keeps happening, don't surprised if hospital staff starts looking for a better risk reward ratio.

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Five and Happy, I assume you'll start a push for mandatory flu vaccinations now, given how much you care about saving lives. This IS about saving lives, right?

 

No flash is was about a rather modest suggestion that the government (as lead by BHO) could finally get out ahead of a crisis with a bit to planning before the fact. Instead our fearless leader cleverly dismissed prudence and basically lied to us yet again.

 

10zbxab.png

 

Was it really false comfort?

 

Only two nurses got sick. That's dealing with the possible case that showed up safely for the rest, which is the vast majority of them. Oba was right again! Not much to worry about at all. Well, except for those two people.

 

Two to one ratio? If that keeps happening, don't surprised if hospital staff starts looking for a better risk reward ratio.

 

If the two-to-one ratio you mention were to continue for a few more rounds, things would get ridiculous in a hurry.

 

But, it doesn't seem to be following that growth pattern, does it?

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Bus, he's got a point, if any nurse knows that she's got less than the best information out there, why would they want to play Russian Roulette?

 

Andrea Mitchell from Meet the Press yesterday:

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/andrea-mitchell-still-not-clear-hospitals-are-ready-fight-ebola-n229276

 

On the same show:

 

More U.S. hospitals need personnel prepared to handle and treat Ebola patients, the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases told NBC News. In an interview with NBC's "Meet the Press," Dr. Anthony Fauci said that pre-training is vital - and the four major biocontainment units in the U.S. are not enough.

“We need to have more than just the four [units] in which you have people who are pre-trained, so that you don't come in, and then that's the first time you start thinking about it,” Fauci said. “It can't just be four. We may not even need any more, and we hope we don't.”

“But in case there are more cases, we want to make sure we have people who are pre-trained, pre-drilled over and over, and have the right protocol going.”

The four locations with biocontainment units specially equipped to handle infectious diseases are Emory University Hospital in Atlanta, Georgia, the NIH campus in Bethesda, Maryland, St. Patrick Hospital in Missoula, Montana and the Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha. With current staffing capabilities, the four units can handle a combined total of 11 patients.

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/we-need-more-hospitals-equipped-treat-ebola-nihs-fauci-tells-n229111

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Bus, he's got a point, if any nurse knows that she's got less than the best information out there, why would they want to play Russian Roulette?

 

Andrea Mitchell from Meet the Press yesterday:

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/andrea-mitchell-still-not-clear-hospitals-are-ready-fight-ebola-n229276

 

On the same show:

 

More U.S. hospitals need personnel prepared to handle and treat Ebola patients, the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases told NBC News. In an interview with NBC's "Meet the Press," Dr. Anthony Fauci said that pre-training is vital - and the four major biocontainment units in the U.S. are not enough.

“We need to have more than just the four [units] in which you have people who are pre-trained, so that you don't come in, and then that's the first time you start thinking about it,” Fauci said. “It can't just be four. We may not even need any more, and we hope we don't.”

“But in case there are more cases, we want to make sure we have people who are pre-trained, pre-drilled over and over, and have the right protocol going.”

The four locations with biocontainment units specially equipped to handle infectious diseases are Emory University Hospital in Atlanta, Georgia, the NIH campus in Bethesda, Maryland, St. Patrick Hospital in Missoula, Montana and the Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha. With current staffing capabilities, the four units can handle a combined total of 11 patients.

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/we-need-more-hospitals-equipped-treat-ebola-nihs-fauci-tells-n229111

 

Agreed. Health care practitioners have every right to be scared shitless based on what they've been told versus how it played out.

 

But, Hypocrisy Jack© uses the words "keeps happening" when speaking to an example of exponential growth. This implies it has grown by that ratio for more than one generation. How many times has the number of infected people in the US doubled? Over what time frame? It is not playing out the way he expressed. In fact, it doesn't seem to be turning out the way he HOPED, which is a more troubling indicator of his mindset.

 

Ebola is some nasty shit, no doubt. But, I don't subscribe to the mentality of the poster who started this thread by posing a question and then ridiculing, dimissing, or deriding anyone who doesn't share his mindset. That is to say nothing of the flip-flopping exhibited by the same poster when it comes to just what this thread is about.

 

(edit) Wonder why the article you linked doesn't mention USAMRIID. Moe mentioned it, and (if memory serves) they factored into the response regarding SHFV in Reston, VA in 1990.

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Bus, he's got a point, if any nurse knows that she's got less than the best information out there, why would they want to play Russian Roulette?

 

Andrea Mitchell from Meet the Press yesterday:

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/andrea-mitchell-still-not-clear-hospitals-are-ready-fight-ebola-n229276

 

On the same show:

 

More U.S. hospitals need personnel prepared to handle and treat Ebola patients, the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases told NBC News. In an interview with NBC's "Meet the Press," Dr. Anthony Fauci said that pre-training is vital - and the four major biocontainment units in the U.S. are not enough.

“We need to have more than just the four [units] in which you have people who are pre-trained, so that you don't come in, and then that's the first time you start thinking about it,” Fauci said. “It can't just be four. We may not even need any more, and we hope we don't.”

“But in case there are more cases, we want to make sure we have people who are pre-trained, pre-drilled over and over, and have the right protocol going.”

The four locations with biocontainment units specially equipped to handle infectious diseases are Emory University Hospital in Atlanta, Georgia, the NIH campus in Bethesda, Maryland, St. Patrick Hospital in Missoula, Montana and the Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha. With current staffing capabilities, the four units can handle a combined total of 11 patients.

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/we-need-more-hospitals-equipped-treat-ebola-nihs-fauci-tells-n229111

 

Agreed. Health care practitioners have every right to be scared shitless based on what they've been told versus how it played out.

 

.......

 

 

That is to say nothing of the flip-flopping exhibited by the same poster when it comes to just what this thread is about.

 

The fact of the matter is, we weren't prepared and still aren't. There will be more occurrences - we're not trying to contain it. To suggest a normal hospital is capable of dealing with this is insane. I just shake my head - it's like the French generals in World War 1 on trench warfare "many will die, some will live - c'est la guerre".

 

Yes, it was kind of bizarre when HJ decided to refute the thread title. Just like someone else I know. Don't let your attitude about HJ cloud what he's saying though, a broken clock is right twice a day, etc.

 

Missed your edit:

 

I have no idea why they didn't mention it. Maybe because it's an external response force? Don't know.

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Bus, he's got a point, if any nurse knows that she's got less than the best information out there, why would they want to play Russian Roulette?

 

Andrea Mitchell from Meet the Press yesterday:

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/andrea-mitchell-still-not-clear-hospitals-are-ready-fight-ebola-n229276

 

On the same show:

 

More U.S. hospitals need personnel prepared to handle and treat Ebola patients, the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases told NBC News. In an interview with NBC's "Meet the Press," Dr. Anthony Fauci said that pre-training is vital - and the four major biocontainment units in the U.S. are not enough.

“We need to have more than just the four [units] in which you have people who are pre-trained, so that you don't come in, and then that's the first time you start thinking about it,” Fauci said. “It can't just be four. We may not even need any more, and we hope we don't.”

“But in case there are more cases, we want to make sure we have people who are pre-trained, pre-drilled over and over, and have the right protocol going.”

The four locations with biocontainment units specially equipped to handle infectious diseases are Emory University Hospital in Atlanta, Georgia, the NIH campus in Bethesda, Maryland, St. Patrick Hospital in Missoula, Montana and the Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha. With current staffing capabilities, the four units can handle a combined total of 11 patients.

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/we-need-more-hospitals-equipped-treat-ebola-nihs-fauci-tells-n229111

 

Agreed. Health care practitioners have every right to be scared shitless based on what they've been told versus how it played out.

 

.......

 

 

That is to say nothing of the flip-flopping exhibited by the same poster when it comes to just what this thread is about.

 

The fact of the matter is, we weren't prepared and still aren't. There will be more occurrences - we're not trying to contain it. To suggest a normal hospital is capable of dealing with this is insane. I just shake my head - it's like the French generals in World War 1 on trench warfare "many will die, some will live - c'est la guerre".

 

Yes, it was kind of bizarre when HJ decided to refute the thread title. Just like someone else I know. Don't let your attitude about HJ cloud what he's saying though, a broken clock is right twice a day, etc.

 

Missed your edit:

 

I have no idea why they didn't mention it. Maybe because it's an external response force? Don't know.

 

Two misconceptions

 

A ) That I dispute the title. Why would I? The first post makes it clear the fear is centered on the panic that ebola case would create and whether the we have done a good job quelling the fears it in advance. The answer to that question is now obviously, no.

 

B ) That the "fear" in the title exclusively or even mostly meant fear of getting Ebola. Again the Original post clearly referred to the panic Ebola could cause and the extent of our preparedness for any infectious epidemic. Measles, TB, smallpox, A deadly Flu strain or any of a few dozen emerging diseases.

 

There is nothing wrong with the title or the first post despite the usual suspects attempts to force a false interpretation on what I wrote

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Hypocrisy Jack© could've saved himself a whole buncha time, energy, and credibility if he had just said something like - "Whoops. Poor choice of words in the thread title."

 

But, he is constitutionally incapable to coming anywhere close to admitting he is wrong or made a mistake. That's what is so entertaining about him.

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Hypocrisy Jack© could've saved himself a whole buncha time, energy, and credibility if he had just said something like - "Whoops. Poor choice of words in the thread title."

 

But, he is constitutionally incapable to coming anywhere close to admitting he is wrong or made a mistake. That's what is so entertaining about him.

 

it wasn't a poor choice of words. It was quite precise. He was right to be concerned about Ebola - it remains a substantial threat. The coming months are going to be ugly in my opinion. Not trying to fear monger - the symptoms of Ebola mimic the flu. Think on that and be prepared.

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Hypocrisy Jack© could've saved himself a whole buncha time, energy, and credibility if he had just said something like - "Whoops. Poor choice of words in the thread title."

 

But, he is constitutionally incapable to coming anywhere close to admitting he is wrong or made a mistake. That's what is so entertaining about him.

 

it wasn't a poor choice of words. It was quite precise. He was right to be concerned about Ebola - it remains a substantial threat. The coming months are going to be ugly in my opinion. Not trying to fear monger - the symptoms of Ebola mimic the flu. Think on that and be prepared.

 

I respectfully disagree. He specified Ebola in the thread title. Then, he said the thread was not about Ebola. Then, he said it was.

 

Lather, rinse, repeat.

 

There are other things far more likely to befall the US citizen in the time it takes for this to run its course. But, most of those things are centered around personal choices (smoking, overeating, sedentary lifestyle, alcohol and/or drugs, etc.), and few people will modify their behaviors to minimize/eliminate the threat. Personal responsibility, pshaw.

 

But, Ebola is scary and folks are playing upon that fear (not the same thing as reminding us to be educated).

 

Not sure that folks with a political axe to grind (like the thread originator) would be happy with anything Obama did. Had Obama demanded an overwhelming response, I bet some would be bitching about the cost/benefit ratio and how the overreaction is evidence Obama is in over his head.

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It's an election year. Got to come up with something to get the jumpy-up-and-downies to the polls.

 

This election is a referendum on Ebola.

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Is Ebola on the ballet? What's he (she?) running for?

 

Politizing this is just more rightie/leftie BS.

 

EVERY hospital should have protocols and procedures for highly infectious disease. Hell, infections caught in a US hospital is a leading cause of death at hospitals. It's a good reason to avoid the places if at all possible.

 

The fact that this one in Texas sucks at it, says a lot about that hospital in Texas.

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You can't spell Democrat without 60% of the letters in Ebola. That seems suspiciously close if you ask me.

 

Everyone with Superior Knowledge knows these things.

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Hypocrisy Jack© could've saved himself a whole buncha time, energy, and credibility if he had just said something like - "Whoops. Poor choice of words in the thread title."

 

But, he is constitutionally incapable to coming anywhere close to admitting he is wrong or made a mistake. That's what is so entertaining about him.

 

it wasn't a poor choice of words. It was quite precise. He was right to be concerned about Ebola - it remains a substantial threat. The coming months are going to be ugly in my opinion. Not trying to fear monger - the symptoms of Ebola mimic the flu. Think on that and be prepared.

 

I respectfully disagree. He specified Ebola in the thread title. Then, he said the thread was not about Ebola. Then, he said it was.

 

Lather, rinse, repeat.

 

There are other things far more likely to befall the US citizen in the time it takes for this to run its course. But, most of those things are centered around personal choices (smoking, overeating, sedentary lifestyle, alcohol and/or drugs, etc.), and few people will modify their behaviors to minimize/eliminate the threat. Personal responsibility, pshaw.

 

But, Ebola is scary and folks are playing upon that fear (not the same thing as reminding us to be educated).

 

Not sure that folks with a political axe to grind (like the thread originator) would be happy with anything Obama did. Had Obama demanded an overwhelming response, I bet some would be bitching about the cost/benefit ratio and how the overreaction is evidence Obama is in over his head.

 

No disagreement about the title. He stated the problem and then abandoned it, which was foolish. People on this thread were reacting to the poster not the topic. It's as true now as it was in August. You may recall my posts on that. If anyone else had posted it, it would never have been met with the vitriol that it has. As I said before, if Jackoff posted that motherhood is good, he would have been met with the fury of this board. I believe, if I'm not mistaken, Jack called for increased awareness and education. Stunningly, that was met with accusations of "fear-mongering". How odd.

 

I agree with you about personal responsibility. I think increased awareness and educating the public about the realities would have done a lot of good. People who care about personal responsibility would have appreciated it. Instead, misinformation and obfuscation which leads to mistrust.

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It's an election year. Got to come up with something to get the jumpy-up-and-downies to the polls.

 

This election is a referendum on Ebola.

 

You know that Ebola is the new Republican code word for Colored People or hasn't the latest Democrat talking points hit your inbox yet?

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why, o why Happy, do you focus on the little things when it's the big slow stuff that'll get you.

 

Oh, yeah, gotta feel good about the bunker.

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Hypocrisy Jack© could've saved himself a whole buncha time, energy, and credibility if he had just said something like - "Whoops. Poor choice of words in the thread title."

 

But, he is constitutionally incapable to coming anywhere close to admitting he is wrong or made a mistake. That's what is so entertaining about him.

 

it wasn't a poor choice of words. It was quite precise. He was right to be concerned about Ebola - it remains a substantial threat. The coming months are going to be ugly in my opinion. Not trying to fear monger - the symptoms of Ebola mimic the flu. Think on that and be prepared.

 

I respectfully disagree. He specified Ebola in the thread title. Then, he said the thread was not about Ebola. Then, he said it was.

 

Lather, rinse, repeat.

 

There are other things far more likely to befall the US citizen in the time it takes for this to run its course. But, most of those things are centered around personal choices (smoking, overeating, sedentary lifestyle, alcohol and/or drugs, etc.), and few people will modify their behaviors to minimize/eliminate the threat. Personal responsibility, pshaw.

 

But, Ebola is scary and folks are playing upon that fear (not the same thing as reminding us to be educated).

 

Not sure that folks with a political axe to grind (like the thread originator) would be happy with anything Obama did. Had Obama demanded an overwhelming response, I bet some would be bitching about the cost/benefit ratio and how the overreaction is evidence Obama is in over his head.

 

No disagreement about the title. He stated the problem and then abandoned it, which was foolish. People on this thread were reacting to the poster not the topic. It's as true now as it was in August. You may recall my posts on that. If anyone else had posted it, it would never have been met with the vitriol that it has. As I said before, if Jackoff posted that motherhood is good, he would have been met with the fury of this board. I believe, if I'm not mistaken, Jack called for increased awareness and education. Stunningly, that was met with accusations of "fear-mongering". How odd.

 

I agree with you about personal responsibility. I think increased awareness and educating the public about the realities would have done a lot of good. People who care about personal responsibility would have appreciated it. Instead, misinformation and obfuscation which leads to mistrust.

 

What problem did I state and abandon? I asked a reasonable question in the title and I elaborated in the first post. That was twisted into "fear mongering" Ebola would get you. Not a reasonable charge given the tone and text in the opening post. Later when they hijacked their own hijack I sarcastically posted "Ebola thread" .

 

There is a reason Bus driver is on ignore. Numerous times I caught him in a direct lie about me. I documented 3 specific examples only one of which he ever addressed. Since then he pollutes my threads with endless personal attacks. Apparently in an effort to obscure or justify his own sins. As do sol, special, ranger etc...

 

They obviously don't care about Underdawg's rules and guidelines because I am reasonably certain their activities run counter to this UnderDawg admonition

 

Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include:

- Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly

- Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion

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why, o why Happy, do you focus on the little things when it's the big slow stuff that'll get you.

 

Oh, yeah, gotta feel good about the bunker.

 

No worries, I will no longer focus on you.

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Yeah!

 

You must be down to, what, about 5 sycophants that you haven't ignored yet?

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There is a reason Bus driver is on ignore. Numerous times I caught him in a direct lie about me. I documented 3 specific examples only one of which he ever addressed. Since then he pollutes my threads with endless personal attacks. Apparently in an effort to obscure or justify his own sins. As do sol, special, ranger etc...

 

What a load of happy horseshit. Or, should I say steaming pile of Malarkey.

 

According to Webster, the definition of "lie" is as follows:

Definition of LIE
intransitive verb
1
: to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2
: to create a false or misleading impression

 

I have bolded and underlined an important point. In the case involving the statement in my sig, I thought I had refrained from involving Jack's son. I was wrong, he pointed it out, and I immediately, and publicly apologized. It was not a lie. It was a mistake, yet he defines it as a lie. That very thing would meet the definition, as he intends to deceive you.

 

Hypocrisy Jack© has no honor and no integrity. He is a disingenuous poster, who has repeatedly shown to be a deceitful and petty human being. When he is wrong, he goes on a cruise.

 

That he is so roundly mocked in this forum is a testament to what a wart he is on the ass of humanity. But, he revels in the attention. To an attention-whore, any attention is welcome.

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why, o why Happy, do you focus on the little things when it's the big slow stuff that'll get you.

 

Oh, yeah, gotta feel good about the bunker.

 

Why do you think this is a racial issue?

 

I am so fucking tired of hacks like you who, without anything to add to the conversation, play the race card.

 

Tedious.

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If you read the commentary by the normal noise makers on the right, it's all about Obama and shutting down travel from Africa. SARS had a bunch of noise as well, but no presidential criticism or cries for travel bans. Why is that?

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Is Ebola on the ballet? What's he (she?) running for?

 

Politizing this is just more rightie/leftie BS.

 

EVERY hospital should have protocols and procedures for highly infectious disease. Hell, infections caught in a US hospital is a leading cause of death at hospitals. It's a good reason to avoid the places if at all possible.

 

The fact that this one in Texas sucks at it, says a lot about that hospital in Texas.

Totally agree. Panic? No. Worried? Sure - this kind of thing can get ugly quick. Having gov say they working with health care industry and having waste stacked to the ceiling and two nurses sick says something amiss. The fact they moved the nurses out of that hospital is not good either. Many hospitals across us would fail this as well. Potentially very bad.

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If you read the commentary by the normal noise makers on the right, it's all about Obama and shutting down travel from Africa. SARS had a bunch of noise as well, but no presidential criticism or cries for travel bans. Why is that?

 

Obama is our President, who happens to be black. Africa is populated by blacks. Ebola is in Africa and we have a black President, therefore any rational discussion about limiting travel from Africa is racist. Got it.

 

Why don't you jump ugly on the neighboring racist countries in Africa, and other countries that have banned travel from WA?

 

  • Belize announced on 18 October that it will stop issuing visas for nationals of Guinea, Liberia and Nigeria. Sierra Leone nationals, who do not need visas to enter Belize, will also be banned. In addition, travellers who have visited any of the aforementioned countries in the past 30 days will be prohibited from entering the country.
  • Antigua and Barbuda on 17 October imposed an entry ban on nationals of Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone. The ban will also apply on anyone who travels to the country within 21 days of visiting any of the aforementioned nations.
  • Trinidad and Tobago announced on 16 October that it would deny entry to nationals of Congo (DRC), Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria and Sierra Leone. In addition, travellers who have visited any of the aforementioned countries in the past six weeks will be quarantined for 21 days upon arrival.
  • Guyana announced on 16 October that visas will not be issued to nationals from Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Nigeria. Furthermore, health officials will screen travellers who have visited these countries in the six weeks prior to their arrival in Guyana.
  • Jamaica imposed an entry ban from 16 October for travellers arriving from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, as well as those who have visited these countries within the four weeks prior to their arrival.
  • Colombia imposed an entry ban from 14 October on any traveller who has visited Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria, Senegal or Sierra Leone in the past four weeks. The restriction would also reportedly apply to Colombian nationals.
  • St Kitts and Nevis have restricted the entry of nationals from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone. Similar measures will also be applied to travellers who have visited these countries in the 21 days prior to arrival.
  • St Lucia has banned visitors from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone. The government has also announced that, in addition to a visa, visitors from Nigeria will be required to present a recent medical certificate clearing them of the virus. No further details are available at this stage, though we are investigating further.
  • St Vincent and the Grenadines has banned visitors from Guinea, Nigeria and Sierra Leone.
  • Kenya on 10 October announced that it had closed the Suam border crossing (Trans-Nzoia county) with Uganda due to reports of an Ebola-related death in Bukwo district (Uganda). Earlier, the Kenyan authorities on 19 August suspended entry of passengers travelling from and through Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone, excluding health professionals supporting efforts to contain the outbreak and Kenyan citizens.
  • Cape Verde on 9 October announced that it would now deny entry to non-resident foreigners coming from countries with ‘intense Ebola transmission' – Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia - or who have been to those countries in the previous 30 days.
  • Mauritius on 8 October banned entry to all travellers who have visited Nigeria, Sierra Leone, Guinea, Liberia, Senegal and Congo (DRC) in the last two months, rather than just citizens of those countries, as was the case previously. The authorities have announced that entry restrictions for travellers from Senegal and Nigeria will be lifted on 10 October and 17 October respectively, if no further cases of Ebola infection are reported.
  • Seychelles on 8 October suspended entry to travellers who have visited Sierra Leone, Liberia, Guinea-Bissau, Guinea, Nigeria or Congo (DRC) 28 days prior to their journey, with the exception of Seychellois citizens.
  • Côte d'Ivoire has reopened in early October its borders with Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia.
  • Equatorial Guinea is denying entry to travellers whose journeys originated in countries affected by Ebola.
  • Cameroon on 17 September reopened its borders to travellers from Senegal. An 18 August ban remains in place on travel from Nigeria, Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.
  • Southern African Development Community (SADC) member states – Angola, Botswana, Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), Lesotho, Madagascar, Malawi, Mauritius, Mozambique, Seychelles, South Africa, Swaziland, Tanzania, Zambia and Zimbabwe – have stated that travellers coming from Ebola-affected countries (according to the World Health Organisation, WHO) would be monitored for 21 days and that travel to member countries for any gatherings would be discouraged. The SADC provided no details as to how member countries will carry out the associated screening and follow-up and it is likely that countries will have individual processes. There are also reports that some countries require health documentation for entry. Travellers are advised to contact the embassy or health ministry of their destination country to clarify their individual circumstances and prepare their trips accordingly.
  • South Sudan has placed a ban on travellers coming from Guinea, Sierra Leone, Liberia or Congo (DRC), or those who have travelled to those countries in the preceding 21 days. According to the health ministry, entry of travellers from Nigeria depends on their travel history in that country and whether they have visited Ebola-affected areas.
  • Namibia's foreign ministry on 11 September announced that foreigners travelling from countries affected by Ebola would be prohibited from entering the country.
  • Gambia on 1 September suspended entry of persons who have visited Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone or Nigeria in the 21 days prior to travel. Those travelling indirectly from any of the aforementioned countries to Gambia via another country also come under this measure.
  • Côte d'Ivoire announced on 23 August that it had closed its land borders with Guinea and Liberia.
  • Gabon stated on 22 August that it is restricting the issuance of entry visas to travellers from Guinea, Liberia, Sierra Leone and Nigeria on a case-by-case basis.
  • Rwanda, according to the US Department of State on 22 August, has banned entry to travellers who have visited Guinea, Liberia or Sierra Leone in the 22 days prior to travel.
  • Senegal on 21 August closed its land border with Guinea, while the country's sea and air borders will also be closed to vessels and aircraft from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone.
  • Chad on 21 August closed its land border with Nigeria at Lake Chad. The country previously reportedly banned the entry of any travellers originating or transiting through Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria or Sierra Leone, with airlines serving the country reportedly rerouting flights.
  • South Africa on 21 August restricted entry for all non-citizens travelling from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone. The government subsequently clarified that this was not a blanket ban and could be waived for 'absolutely essential travel'. (link)

 

What a bunch of black racist ass holes, right?

 

Rwanda must have some serious racists in Gov't to pull off a travel ban on blacks.

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The numbers........

 

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/outbreaks/2014-west-africa/united-states-imported-case.html

 

 

Ebola Contact Tracing, Dallas, Texas

 

Date: 10/20/2014

 

Confirmed Cases: 3

 

Contacts*

 

Current: 3

Completed Surveillance: 9

Total: 11

 

Possible Contacts**

 

Current: 114

Completed Surveillance: 42

Total: 156

 

Totals

 

Current: 116

Completed Surveillance: 51§

Total: 167

 

*Contacts Definite exposure

**Possible Contacts Possible exposure

Completed active surveillance

§Data for last date of exposure is still in progress

 

Note: The number of possible contacts increased significantly Oct. 14 to account for a group of healthcare workers who were previously self-monitoring and are now being actively monitored following a healthcare worker's Ebola diagnosis over the weekend. Another case was diagnosed Oct. 15, which also impacted the numbers.

 

Contacts are defined as people who had recognized exposure to an Ebola patient, blood, bodily fluids, specimens of an Ebola patient or potentially contaminated surfaces.

 

Possible contacts are defined as people who had possible exposure to an Ebola patient, blood, body fluids, specimens of an Ebola patient or potentially contaminated surfaces.

 

Updates: Numbers are accurate as of 5 p.m. the previous day and are updated at approximately noon each day. Public health officials attempt to reach all contacts/possible contacts every day to check for fever and other symptoms. Daily follow-up with contacts/possible contacts will continue for 21 days from the date of each persons exposure.

 

Ebola Contact Tracing, Ohio

 

Date: 10/19/2014

 

Confirmed Cases: 0

 

Total Contacts: 153

 

Out of an abundance of caution, CDC is working together with state health departments and Frontier Airlines to contact all passengers and crew traveling on Frontier Airline flight 1142 from Oct. 10 and flight 1143 from Oct. 13. CDC believes that there is minimal risk to passengers on the same plane as the infected healthcare worker. However, as a precaution, CDC is working with the airline to contact passengers who travelled on two flights the healthcare worker was on.

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I'm glad we are setting an example for the rest of the world on how to contain this virus. Obama should have the State Department put the screws to those racist African countries who are restricting travel. They are only exacerbating the problem.

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I'm glad we are setting an example for the rest of the world on how to contain this virus. Obama should have the State Department put the screws to those racist African countries who are restricting travel. They are only exacerbating the problem.

Obama should lead by example. Restrict travel from Texas.

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Good article for a little perspective:

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/ebola-america-has-fever-broken-n229916

 

Ebola in America: Has the Fever Broken?

BY MAGGIE FOX

Its been 21 days and none of the people in closest contact with Thomas Eric Duncan in the days before he was hospitalized has gotten sick. That includes his fiancée Louise Troh and her children, who were in a small Dallas apartment with an increasingly ill Duncan for days, and forcibly kept inside for days afterward.

 

No one else has carried Ebola into the country yet, and since Wednesday, no more nurses or other health care workers who took care of Duncan have been infected.

 

What has been seen is what the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and other experts predicted would happen that someone might carry Ebola into the United States, and that they might even infect a few other people. What CDC has always promised is that it would stop there.

 

I for one, am quite encouraged by the fact that 21 days have elapsed and Thomas Duncans family have not become ill, said Jennifer Nuzzo, a senior associate at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Schools Center for Health Security. Its further evidence of what public health specialists have been saying: that this virus is not easily transmitted.

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Good article for a little perspective:

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/ebola-america-has-fever-broken-n229916

 

Ebola in America: Has the Fever Broken?

BY MAGGIE FOX

Its been 21 days and none of the people in closest contact with Thomas Eric Duncan in the days before he was hospitalized has gotten sick. That includes his fiancée Louise Troh and her children, who were in a small Dallas apartment with an increasingly ill Duncan for days, and forcibly kept inside for days afterward.

 

No one else has carried Ebola into the country yet, and since Wednesday, no more nurses or other health care workers who took care of Duncan have been infected.

 

What has been seen is what the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and other experts predicted would happen that someone might carry Ebola into the United States, and that they might even infect a few other people. What CDC has always promised is that it would stop there.

 

I for one, am quite encouraged by the fact that 21 days have elapsed and Thomas Duncans family have not become ill, said Jennifer Nuzzo, a senior associate at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Schools Center for Health Security. Its further evidence of what public health specialists have been saying: that this virus is not easily transmitted.

 

Really? Cite?

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Good article for a little perspective:

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/ebola-america-has-fever-broken-n229916

 

Ebola in America: Has the Fever Broken?

BY MAGGIE FOX

Its been 21 days and none of the people in closest contact with Thomas Eric Duncan in the days before he was hospitalized has gotten sick. That includes his fiancée Louise Troh and her children, who were in a small Dallas apartment with an increasingly ill Duncan for days, and forcibly kept inside for days afterward.

 

No one else has carried Ebola into the country yet, and since Wednesday, no more nurses or other health care workers who took care of Duncan have been infected.

 

What has been seen is what the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and other experts predicted would happen that someone might carry Ebola into the United States, and that they might even infect a few other people. What CDC has always promised is that it would stop there.

 

I for one, am quite encouraged by the fact that 21 days have elapsed and Thomas Duncans family have not become ill, said Jennifer Nuzzo, a senior associate at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Schools Center for Health Security. Its further evidence of what public health specialists have been saying: that this virus is not easily transmitted.

 

Really? Cite?

Read his post moron. He linked the cite. What a maroon!

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Good article for a little perspective:http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/ebola-america-has-fever-broken-n229916

Ebola in America: Has the Fever Broken?

BY MAGGIE FOX

Its been 21 days and none of the people in closest contact with Thomas Eric Duncan in the days before he was hospitalized has gotten sick. That includes his fiancée Louise Troh and her children, who were in a small Dallas apartment with an increasingly ill Duncan for days, and forcibly kept inside for days afterward.

No one else has carried Ebola into the country yet, and since Wednesday, no more nurses or other health care workers who took care of Duncan have been infected.

What has been seen is what the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and other experts predicted would happen that someone might carry Ebola into the United States, and that they might even infect a few other people. What CDC has always promised is that it would stop there.

I for one, am quite encouraged by the fact that 21 days have elapsed and Thomas Duncans family have not become ill, said Jennifer Nuzzo, a senior associate at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Schools Center for Health Security. Its further evidence of what public health specialists have been saying: that this virus is not easily transmitted.

Really? Cite?

Here you go

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/ebola-america-has-fever-broken-n229916

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Hypocrisy Jack© could've saved himself a whole buncha time, energy, and credibility if he had just said something like - "Whoops. Poor choice of words in the thread title."

 

But, he is constitutionally incapable to coming anywhere close to admitting he is wrong or made a mistake. That's what is so entertaining about him.

 

it wasn't a poor choice of words. It was quite precise. He was right to be concerned about Ebola - it remains a substantial threat. The coming months are going to be ugly in my opinion. Not trying to fear monger - the symptoms of Ebola mimic the flu. Think on that and be prepared.

 

I respectfully disagree. He specified Ebola in the thread title. Then, he said the thread was not about Ebola. Then, he said it was.

 

Lather, rinse, repeat.

 

There are other things far more likely to befall the US citizen in the time it takes for this to run its course. But, most of those things are centered around personal choices (smoking, overeating, sedentary lifestyle, alcohol and/or drugs, etc.), and few people will modify their behaviors to minimize/eliminate the threat. Personal responsibility, pshaw.

 

But, Ebola is scary and folks are playing upon that fear (not the same thing as reminding us to be educated).

 

Not sure that folks with a political axe to grind (like the thread originator) would be happy with anything Obama did. Had Obama demanded an overwhelming response, I bet some would be bitching about the cost/benefit ratio and how the overreaction is evidence Obama is in over his head.

 

No disagreement about the title. He stated the problem and then abandoned it, which was foolish. People on this thread were reacting to the poster not the topic. It's as true now as it was in August. You may recall my posts on that. If anyone else had posted it, it would never have been met with the vitriol that it has. As I said before, if Jackoff posted that motherhood is good, he would have been met with the fury of this board. I believe, if I'm not mistaken, Jack called for increased awareness and education. Stunningly, that was met with accusations of "fear-mongering". How odd.

 

I agree with you about personal responsibility. I think increased awareness and educating the public about the realities would have done a lot of good. People who care about personal responsibility would have appreciated it. Instead, misinformation and obfuscation which leads to mistrust.

you got a cite for your airbourne comment?

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Is Ebola on the ballet? What's he (she?) running for?

 

Politizing this is just more rightie/leftie BS.

 

EVERY hospital should have protocols and procedures for highly infectious disease. Hell, infections caught in a US hospital is a leading cause of death at hospitals. It's a good reason to avoid the places if at all possible.

 

The fact that this one in Texas sucks at it, says a lot about that hospital in Texas.

Does it?

 

Do we know that hospital is exceptionally bad?

 

I don't. For all I know, they could be one of our better ones and others would have fared worse if Duncan had appeared at their doors.

 

What does it say to you about that one hospital?

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Good article for a little perspective:http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/ebola-america-has-fever-broken-n229916

Ebola in America: Has the Fever Broken?

BY MAGGIE FOX

Its been 21 days and none of the people in closest contact with Thomas Eric Duncan in the days before he was hospitalized has gotten sick. That includes his fiancée Louise Troh and her children, who were in a small Dallas apartment with an increasingly ill Duncan for days, and forcibly kept inside for days afterward.

No one else has carried Ebola into the country yet, and since Wednesday, no more nurses or other health care workers who took care of Duncan have been infected.

What has been seen is what the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and other experts predicted would happen that someone might carry Ebola into the United States, and that they might even infect a few other people. What CDC has always promised is that it would stop there.

I for one, am quite encouraged by the fact that 21 days have elapsed and Thomas Duncans family have not become ill, said Jennifer Nuzzo, a senior associate at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Schools Center for Health Security. Its further evidence of what public health specialists have been saying: that this virus is not easily transmitted.

Really? Cite?

Here you go

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/ebola-america-has-fever-broken-n229916

 

Pay attention to what I bolded -

 

What has been seen is what the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and other experts predicted would happen that someone might carry Ebola into the United States

 

The prediction was off. Our government "predicted" the exact opposite.

 

That's the point.

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Is Ebola on the ballet? What's he (she?) running for?

 

Politizing this is just more rightie/leftie BS.

 

EVERY hospital should have protocols and procedures for highly infectious disease. Hell, infections caught in a US hospital is a leading cause of death at hospitals. It's a good reason to avoid the places if at all possible.

 

The fact that this one in Texas sucks at it, says a lot about that hospital in Texas.

Does it?

 

Do we know that hospital is exceptionally bad?

 

I don't. For all I know, they could be one of our better ones and others would have fared worse if Duncan had appeared at their doors.

 

What does it say to you about that one hospital?

that they cannot handle and infectious agent, whether it's Ebola, SARS, tuberculosis, etc, etc, etc

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Is Ebola on the ballet? What's he (she?) running for?

 

Politizing this is just more rightie/leftie BS.

 

EVERY hospital should have protocols and procedures for highly infectious disease. Hell, infections caught in a US hospital is a leading cause of death at hospitals. It's a good reason to avoid the places if at all possible.

 

The fact that this one in Texas sucks at it, says a lot about that hospital in Texas.

Does it?

 

Do we know that hospital is exceptionally bad?

 

I don't. For all I know, they could be one of our better ones and others would have fared worse if Duncan had appeared at their doors.

 

What does it say to you about that one hospital?

that they cannot handle and infectious agent, whether it's Ebola, SARS, tuberculosis, etc, etc, etc

 

They probably only missed that one.

 

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Fearbola!

 

OH_NOES_ITS_A_SHARK_by_CryingWingedWolf.

 

 

I have a couple sailing friends who work ER at Yale New Haven Hospital.

 

Have your laughs, Sol.

 

He is. Most Sociopaths do.

 

So the CDC updated there protocol this evening. Interesting. Freiden is a joke.

 

and has been from the start. Right up there with Obama. Hence the need for the Czar.

 

Solly, why is the government wasting precious money and time on treating a problem which doesn't exist?

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Texas hospitals have demonstrated that the CDC protocols may need to be clarified so that even faith based institutions can follow them.

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Fearbola!

 

OH_NOES_ITS_A_SHARK_by_CryingWingedWolf.

 

 

I have a couple sailing friends who work ER at Yale New Haven Hospital.

 

Have your laughs, Sol.

 

He is. Most Sociopaths do.

 

>So the CDC updated there protocol this evening. Interesting. Freiden is a joke.

 

and has been from the start. Right up there with Obama. Hence the need for the Czar.

 

Solly, why is the government wasting precious money and time on treating a problem which doesn't exist?

 

 

Exactly. Why update a perfectly good protocol for health care workers? Why call on the military for a quick response team? Why is the CDC tracking so many people who could not possibly be infected based on their own poster?

 

Is Obama one of those pro-Ebola fear mongers, or is he simply doing his best to solve a problem caused by the "party of no" and their NRA backers?

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Hello boys. I'm baaaaack...

 

...from Texas that is. Had a nice little delivery up the coast. I spent a couple of hours layed over in Dallas, and while I'm a bit groggy this morning, I attribute that to a large quantitiy of rum.

 

I don't think I have Ebola yet.

 

Who wants a hug?

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I'm glad we are setting an example for the rest of the world on how to contain this virus. Obama should have the State Department put the screws to those racist African countries who are restricting travel. They are only exacerbating the problem.

You do realize that the borders of those countries are more porous than Swiss cheese, and that travel bans serve only to keep medical experts and supplies out of areas where they need them? If the disease were airborn, you might have apoint, but otherwise...

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I'm glad we are setting an example for the rest of the world on how to contain this virus. Obama should have the State Department put the screws to those racist African countries who are restricting travel. They are only exacerbating the problem.

You do realize that the borders of those countries are more porous than Swiss cheese, and that travel bans serve only to keep medical experts and supplies out of areas where they need them? If the disease were airborn, you might have apoint, but otherwise...

 

As if medical personnel and supplies can only fly coach on a commercial airline. I suppose deployment of the 3000 US troops heding to WA will be staggered based on seating availability on Lufthansa.

 

When you dial 911, do you expect the EMT's to take the local bus to your house?

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How many direct flights to the US from West Africa?

The whole Duncan Ebola scare demonstrates why I am not worried about Ebola coming here. One asymptomatic guy gets into the US on a plane from Belgium, becomes symptomatic, goes to the ER. Do you really think Duncan had health insurance? Of course he was getting sent home. He was probably showing much worse symptoms of inability to pay than Ebola at that point. A couple of days later it was obvious that he had Ebola so he was admitted. Two caregivers were infected by him and are being treated at places competent to handle Ebola cases.

 

That's quite an unstoppable epidemic there.

 

Sorry, I'm just not that worried about it. I have a much better chance of being killed driving to/from work than by Ebola. Quarantine everyone with a driver's license!

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If the faith based hospital had followed CDC guidelines, we wouldn't have an Ebola epidemic here. But they didn't and we do. So its only prudent we restrict direct flights from West Africa even though none exist. And we should check all brown people coming in from any foreign port to make sure they don't have Liberian travel stamps on their passports. And we should count the pages in the passport to make sure they didn't cut one out. I just hope I don't get behind one of these guys next time I come through customs and immigration.

Fear is a powerful motivator. We need to keep the level high so we don't let our guard down.

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Except Nigeria ain't west Africa....

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