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Ferguson teen robbed a store moments before being shot dead?

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I realize black people killing anyone does not further Big Al's agenda so he isnt going to say anything. And I heard Big Al loud and clear regarding Ferg situation.

 

If not going out of my way to listen to that blow hard is lazy then I'm the laziest mf'er in the world. For some reason the news channels love putting that worthless big mouth on the air and I havent heard him say anything about chicago black gang shootings yet.

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I realize black people killing anyone does not further Big Al's agenda so he isnt going to say anything. And I heard Big Al loud and clear regarding Ferg situation.

 

If not going out of my way to listen to that blow hard is lazy then I'm the laziest mf'er in the world. For some reason the news channels love putting that worthless big mouth on the air and I havent heard him say anything about chicago black gang shootings yet.

Seems he actually has something to say about Chicago violence.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Sharpton-in-Chicago-to-Address-Gun-Violence--228535151.html

 

Your ignorance knows no bounds.

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Why is everyone so worked up about a dead kid? It's not like someone opened his mail or anything. Besides, all important indicators suggest that he would have been a democRAT.

Because somehow the actions of these two stupic kids leading up to the death of one of them is somehow 'whities' fault. The usual blame someone else excuse. Personally i'm sick of it.

 

Is Mike Browns father around? Alive? Commented?

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Is Mike Browns father around? Alive? Commented?

You really need to put some effort into this. Why do we have to do all your work.

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We all have our place in this world SE.

 

 

I realize black people killing anyone does not further Big Al's agenda so he isnt going to say anything. And I heard Big Al loud and clear regarding Ferg situation.

 

If not going out of my way to listen to that blow hard is lazy then I'm the laziest mf'er in the world. For some reason the news channels love putting that worthless big mouth on the air and I havent heard him say anything about chicago black gang shootings yet.

Seems he actually has something to say about Chicago violence.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Sharpton-in-Chicago-to-Address-Gun-Violence--228535151.html

 

Your ignorance knows no bounds.

Obviously you didnt read it yourself. It mentioned nothing of him denouncing black chicago gang violence. It did however quote him saying "I'm known to question a lot of police work and I will,".

 

Why is it those who 'hate' so much think with emotions and 'read' and 'hear' what you want rather than what is actually spoken or written, or more importantly, what is not.

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So much for Big Al not saying anything about Chicago then eh?

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So much for Big Al not saying anything about Chicago then eh?

 

Great headline, but poor follow through. Sharpton never rented an apartment in Chicago.

 

Empty promises from an empty suit.

 

I understand that words mean more than actions with you and your elk, but if I were you - I'd be truly embarrassed for posting that link.

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So much for Big Al not saying anything about Chicago then eh?

 

Great headline, but poor follow through. Sharpton never rented an apartment in Chicago.

 

Empty promises from an empty suit.

 

I understand that words mean more than actions with you and your elk, but if I were you - I'd be truly embarrassed for posting that link.

But did he say anything about Chicago violence? I've heard he ignored it. Never mentioned it. Like it doesn't exist.

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So much for Big Al not saying anything about Chicago then eh?

 

Great headline, but poor follow through. Sharpton never rented an apartment in Chicago.

 

Empty promises from an empty suit.

 

I understand that words mean more than actions with you and your elk, but if I were you - I'd be truly embarrassed for posting that link.

But did he say anything about Chicago violence? I've heard he ignored it. Never mentioned it. Like it doesn't exist.

 

You are correct Ed. He mentioned he was going to rent an apartment in Chicago.

 

I'll do my part to curb the violence in Chicago. -- Next month I'm going to move to Chicago in an effort to bring attention to the black-on-black violence. I'd move there sooner, but I have to go to DC first to check on the status of the Zimmerman hate crime investigation at the DOJ.

 

Problem solved, right?

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Is Mike Browns father around? Alive? Commented?

You really need to put some effort into this. Why do we have to do all your work.

Rhetorical...although probably not relevant to this thread.

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Au contraire mon ami, my solutions of mandatory body cams is gaining popularity, and calls for grand jury investigations on cop shootings seems popular too.

Why such a fuss over shootings by cops but not civilian against civilian? There sure seems to be a hell of lot more black people getting shot and killed when there arent cops around (chicago) than with cops. Why is that apparently OK?

who said it was o.k.? perhaps you've missed some other threads and discussions. do you not hold police officers and law enforcement to some type of standard? protect and serve, perhaps? to follow the law they are sworn to uphold? do you think shooting of unarmed citizens should go unquestioned?

Has anybody even suggested that? JFC, but you are a drama queen.

 

Take a lesson from Sol and stop imagining what people say, FFS.

It's what she does.

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The whole thing is a huge waste. Waste of life and waste of resources. And the only reason race is part of this kind of thing these days is due to Al Sharpton types who without racism are non-relevant.

 

A box of cigars for crying out loud. Criminals are not smart.

The problem is he had his hands up when he was shot per three witnesses now. Jack failed to mention the witness was clear he saw nothing that looked like a bum rush. This will be a tough one for the cop, if those construction workers are white and sound intelligent. It may be the adrenalin got the better of him and he's not really a bad guy at all, but them's the breaks in that line of work.

 

The larger mess is this in combination with a community that had lost trust in their police and is therfore not giving them the benefit of the doubt. Everybody deserves that, but it's problematic for police in our system of laws if they lose it. Always a fragile construct between the police and the poor even in the best of times.

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The whole thing is a huge waste. Waste of life and waste of resources. And the only reason race is part of this kind of thing these days is due to Al Sharpton types who without racism are non-relevant.

 

A box of cigars for crying out loud. Criminals are not smart.

The problem is he had his hands up when he was shot per three witnesses now. Jack failed to mention the witness was clear he saw nothing that looked like a bum rush. This will be a tough one for the cop, if those construction workers are white and sound intelligent. It may be the adrenalin got the better of him and he's not really a bad guy at all, but them's the breaks in that line of work.

 

The larger mess is this in combination with a community that had lost trust in their police and is therfore not giving them the benefit of the doubt. Everybody deserves that, but it's problematic for police in our system of laws if they lose it. Always a fragile construct between the police and the poor even in the best of times.

I'm gonna need to know if any of those "witnesses" are American, or if they are all democRATS. Reliability of witnesses is key.

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Au contraire mon ami, my solutions of mandatory body cams is gaining popularity, and calls for grand jury investigations on cop shootings seems popular too.

 

Why such a fuss over shootings by cops but not civilian against civilian? There sure seems to be a hell of lot more black people getting shot and killed when there arent cops around (chicago) than with cops. Why is that apparently OK?

who said it was o.k.? perhaps you've missed some other threads and discussions. do you not hold police officers and law enforcement to some type of standard? protect and serve, perhaps? to follow the law they are sworn to uphold? do you think shooting of unarmed citizens should go unquestioned?

 

Is it going unquestioned?

 

BTW Are you ready to admit Big Mike robbed the store and violently assaulted the clerk?

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The whole thing is a huge waste. Waste of life and waste of resources. And the only reason race is part of this kind of thing these days is due to Al Sharpton types who without racism are non-relevant.

 

A box of cigars for crying out loud. Criminals are not smart.

The problem is he had his hands up when he was shot per three witnesses now. Jack failed to mention the witness was clear he saw nothing that looked like a bum rush. This will be a tough one for the cop, if those construction workers are white and sound intelligent. It may be the adrenalin got the better of him and he's not really a bad guy at all, but them's the breaks in that line of work.

 

The larger mess is this in combination with a community that had lost trust in their police and is therfore not giving them the benefit of the doubt. Everybody deserves that, but it's problematic for police in our system of laws if they lose it. Always a fragile construct between the police and the poor even in the best of times.

 

Spend some time on youtube watching fatal police encounters. You will find a number where the suspect just keeps moving toward the officer not obeying command. Even putting hands up only to get close enough to assault the officer.

 

What is critical to the Ferguson case is what happened in the car. If the officer grabbed mike through the window and when Mike resisted he drew his gun which mike saw and grabbed to avoid getting shot?

 

Them the officer did not have cause to shoot when Mike was fleeing (in my opinion)

 

However if MIke initiated the contact, punched the officer without cause and the then the officer drew the gun to defend himself or Mike tried to go for the gun in the holster then the officer was justified shooting a fleeing violent felon.

 

When Mike turned and backed the officer up 25 feet as, maybe, the most credible witness said. The officer had every right to view Mike as a lethal threat and shoot to kill. I could care less when his hands were. Apparently he had to keep shooting over the entire 25 feet to stop the big guy.

 

In the video below the officer tries to hard to order the man to stop before defending himself. As a result the man reached the officer and beat him. He could have died. In my mind he could have killed that man and it would be justified.

 

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I'm starting to see Spatial Ed as being a tool who isn't satified having a resonable discussion with others. So, he takes an incredibly outlandish idea and pushes it, hoping to engage folks and score some points in his own mind.

 

I wonder if this is just a silly internet game for him. Twisting things and advocating stupid propositions.

 

If not Either way, he is an immensely pathetic individual.

 

You're just starting to see this? Really?

 

And and BTW, I incorporated Len's grammar suggestion into your post. You're welcome ;)

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Au contraire mon ami, my solutions of mandatory body cams is gaining popularity, and calls for grand jury investigations on cop shootings seems popular too.

 

Why such a fuss over shootings by cops but not civilian against civilian? There sure seems to be a hell of lot more black people getting shot and killed when there arent cops around (chicago) than with cops. Why is that apparently OK?

who said it was o.k.? perhaps you've missed some other threads and discussions. do you not hold police officers and law enforcement to some type of standard? protect and serve, perhaps? to follow the law they are sworn to uphold? do you think shooting of unarmed citizens should go unquestioned?

 

Is it going unquestioned?

 

BTW Are you ready to admit Big Mike robbed the store and violently assaulted the clerk?

i never said he did not steal cigars…i said that the video alone was not conclusive and alone it was not proof he stole cigars. ffs the majority of what some of you are willing to take as fact straight out of your imagination was obscured by the crap on the counter. you believe he stole because you want to believe he stole, not because that video proves he stole. geeze you are dense.

and no, i would argue that he did not violently assault the clerk…i have already stated that i would consider that simple battery…he shoved the clerk.

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The whole thing is a huge waste. Waste of life and waste of resources. And the only reason race is part of this kind of thing these days is due to Al Sharpton types who without racism are non-relevant.

 

A box of cigars for crying out loud. Criminals are not smart.

The problem is he had his hands up when he was shot per three witnesses now. Jack failed to mention the witness was clear he saw nothing that looked like a bum rush. This will be a tough one for the cop, if those construction workers are white and sound intelligent. It may be the adrenalin got the better of him and he's not really a bad guy at all, but them's the breaks in that line of work.

 

The larger mess is this in combination with a community that had lost trust in their police and is therfore not giving them the benefit of the doubt. Everybody deserves that, but it's problematic for police in our system of laws if they lose it. Always a fragile construct between the police and the poor even in the best of times.

Spend some time on youtube watching fatal police encounters. You will find a number where the suspect just keeps moving toward the officer not obeying command. Even putting hands up only to get close enough to assault the officer. What is critical to the Ferguson case is what happened in the car. If the officer grabbed mike through the window and when Mike resisted he drew his gun which mike saw and grabbed to avoid getting shot? Them the officer did not have cause to shoot when Mike was fleeing (in my opinion) However if MIke initiated the contact, punched the officer without cause and the then the officer drew the gun to defend himself or Mike tried to go for the gun in the holster then the officer was justified shooting a fleeing violent felon. When Mike turned and backed the officer up 25 feet as, maybe, the most credible witness said. The officer had every right to view Mike as a lethal threat and shoot to kill. I could care less when his hands were. Apparently he had to keep shooting over the entire 25 feet to stop the big guy. In the video below the officer tries to hard to order the man to stop before defending himself. As a result the man reached the officer and beat him. He could have died. In my mind he could have killed that man and it would be justified.

There is no justification for shooting at Michael Brown while he was running away.

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Au contraire mon ami, my solutions of mandatory body cams is gaining popularity, and calls for grand jury investigations on cop shootings seems popular too.

 

Why such a fuss over shootings by cops but not civilian against civilian? There sure seems to be a hell of lot more black people getting shot and killed when there arent cops around (chicago) than with cops. Why is that apparently OK?

who said it was o.k.? perhaps you've missed some other threads and discussions. do you not hold police officers and law enforcement to some type of standard? protect and serve, perhaps? to follow the law they are sworn to uphold? do you think shooting of unarmed citizens should go unquestioned?

 

Is it going unquestioned?

 

BTW Are you ready to admit Big Mike robbed the store and violently assaulted the clerk?

i never said he did not steal cigars…i said that the video alone was not conclusive and alone it was not proof he stole cigars. ffs the majority of what some of you are willing to take as fact straight out of your imagination was obscured by the crap on the counter. you believe he stole because you want to believe he stole, not because that video proves he stole. geeze you are dense.

and no, i would argue that he did not violently assault the clerk…i have already stated that i would consider that simple battery…he shoved the clerk.

 

From an article in the Washington Post -

 

A partially redacted witness report in the packet given to media – which did not state who provided the information – said that a woman inside the store came out of the bathroom during the altercation.

She told police she saw Brown tell the store employee that he and his companion wanted several boxes of cigars from behind the counter.

“As [redacted employee name] was placing the boxes on the counter, Brown grabbed a box of Swisher Sweet cigars and handed them to [Dorian] Johnson who was standing behind Brown,” the report stated. Johnson has said in interviews that he was with Brown when he was killed.

The witness said that the store employee then told Brown he had to pay first, and then Brown reached over the counter to grab more packs of cigars and turned to leave the store.

According to the witness account, the employee called 911 and attempted to block Brown from leaving by standing in front of the door.

“That is when Brown grabbed [redacted employee name] by the shirt and forcefully pushed him back into a display rack,” the report said.

The police report goes on to state that surveillance video from the store shows Brown and Johnson entering the store before Brown hands the pack of Swisher Sweets to Johnson.

“An apparent struggle or confrontation seems to take place with Brown, however it is obscured by a display case on the counter,” the report stated. “Meanwhile, Johnson sets the box he was handed back on the counter.” (link)

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Has Dorian Johnson been arrested for the cigar theft? If not, why not?

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Has Dorian Johnson been arrested for the cigar theft? If not, why not?

 

He placed the cigars Brown gave him back on the counter (see the last sentence in the article posted above).

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Has Dorian Johnson been arrested for the cigar theft? If not, why not?

 

He placed the cigars Brown gave him back on the counter (see the last sentence in the article posted above).

So no crime was committed?

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Has Dorian Johnson been arrested for the cigar theft? If not, why not?

 

He placed the cigars Brown gave him back on the counter (see the last sentence in the article posted above).

So no crime was committed?

 

Not by Johnson.

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Seems like he might be an accomplice if a crime had been committed.

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Seems like he might be an accomplice if a crime had been committed.

 

How so?

Party to a strong arm robbery? If your buddy commits a violent strong arm robbery while you stand by his side and both of you leave together, you get a pass?

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Is it going unquestioned?

 

BTW Are you ready to admit Big Mike robbed the store and violently assaulted the clerk?

i never said he did not steal cigars…i said that the video alone was not conclusive and alone it was not proof he stole cigars. ffs the majority of what some of you are willing to take as fact straight out of your imagination was obscured by the crap on the counter. you believe he stole because you want to believe he stole, not because that video proves he stole. geeze you are dense.

and no, i would argue that he did not violently assault the clerk…i have already stated that i would consider that simple battery…he shoved the clerk.

 

After the death they interviewed the store owner/clerk and the woman who reported the theft to 911. The store owner wanted the rioting public to know he did not call the police. Both confirmed it was robbery. In another day or two Dorian had also fessed up.

 

Only you and few others continue this farce that the tape had an innocent explanation.

 

You want to believe the angry dark kid was pleasant to the officer and the officer with no prior complaints decided to arrest the sweet innocent dark kid through the window of his car. Be my guest but you look stupid doing so.

 

One thing we don't know is how well the officer's early statement holds up to the forensic evidence. Any gaps there and he could start to look a lot more guilty of something. So there is still hope that your fantasies will come true.

 

As for density, Elle. Elle, Elle I probably double your IQ even in a coma. In the future you get a Bah.

 

In case Bah is foreign to you (highly likely) I'll use a cartoon to explain it to you.

 

DogbertBah.gif

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Seems like he might be an accomplice if a crime had been committed.

 

How so?

Party to a strong arm robbery? If your buddy commits a violent strong arm robbery while you stand by his side and both of you leave together, you get a pass?

 

What law did Johnson break? Did Johnson rob the store, push anyone or assist Brown in any way?

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Its too bah that there are eye witnesses that disagree with Jack. Just too bah.

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Seems like he might be an accomplice if a crime had been committed.

 

How so?

Party to a strong arm robbery? If your buddy commits a violent strong arm robbery while you stand by his side and both of you leave together, you get a pass?

 

What law did Johnson break? Did Johnson rob the store, push anyone or assist Brown in any way?

Strong arm robbery. He was clearly with the perp and assisted. In a strong arm robbery, helping your buddy commit the heinous act is simply being next to him. Strength in numbers. Poor clerk knew he was outnumbered and just gave him the cigars. Why hasn't Johnson been arrested?

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As for density, Elle. Elle, Elle I probably double your IQ even in a coma. In the future you get a Bah.

What Elle has to say makes a lot more sense than what you do. Between your need to Reductio ad adsurdum, create false dichotomies, and generally behave as a petulant cunt, imma go with you being the dense one.

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Seems like he might be an accomplice if a crime had been committed.

 

How so?

Party to a strong arm robbery? If your buddy commits a violent strong arm robbery while you stand by his side and both of you leave together, you get a pass?

 

What law did Johnson break? Did Johnson rob the store, push anyone or assist Brown in any way?

Strong arm robbery. He was clearly with the perp and assisted. In a strong arm robbery, helping your buddy commit the heinous act is simply being next to him. Strength in numbers. Poor clerk knew he was outnumbered and just gave him the cigars. Why hasn't Johnson been arrested?

 

How did he assist?

 

"Simply being next to him" is not assistance.

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As for density, Elle. Elle, Elle I probably double your IQ even in a coma. In the future you get a Bah.

What Elle has to say makes a lot more sense than what you do. Between your need to Reductio ad adsurdum, create false dichotomies, and generally behave as a petulant cunt, imma go with you being the dense one.

 

Bah

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How did he assist?

 

"Simply being next to him" is not assistance.

In a strong arm robbery, it does. Did the Fergy cops fuck this case up as well?

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How did he assist?

 

"Simply being next to him" is not assistance.

In a strong arm robbery, it does. Did the Fergy cops fuck this case up as well?

 

Really? Have any case law to back that up, or are you making shit up again?

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DogbertBah.gif

 

Hypocrisy Jack© makes clear he has no intention of considering a viewpoint other than his own.

 

Pretty much a classic example of a narcissistic asshole. But, we already knew that.

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How did he assist?

 

"Simply being next to him" is not assistance.

In a strong arm robbery, it does. Did the Fergy cops fuck this case up as well?

 

Really? Have any case law to back that up, or are you making shit up again?

I just slipped into my Happy Jack Magic Underpants (™) and rewatched that video. Its clear in the tape that Johnson is the ring leader. He tells the clerk to give Brown the cigars, Brown hands them to Johnson who puts them back on the counter and yells, "Not those mutherfuckers, the Swishers!" The clerk hands Brown the Swishers. Johnson then tells the clerk "That's better you cracker, now you better fucking keep your pie hole shut or my gentle giant here is gonna bust your ass." He then gives Brown the signal to ruff up the clerk a bit to send the message. They both walk out.

Did Johnson break any laws?

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How did he assist?

 

"Simply being next to him" is not assistance.

In a strong arm robbery, it does. Did the Fergy cops fuck this case up as well?

 

Really? Have any case law to back that up, or are you making shit up again?

I just slipped into my Happy Jack Magic Underpants (™) and rewatched that video. Its clear in the tape that Johnson is the ring leader. He tells the clerk to give Brown the cigars, Brown hands them to Johnson who puts them back on the counter and yells, "Not those mutherfuckers, the Swishers!" The clerk hands Brown the Swishers. Johnson then tells the clerk "That's better you cracker, now you better fucking keep your pie hole shut or my gentle giant here is gonna bust your ass." He then gives Brown the signal to ruff up the clerk a bit to send the message. They both walk out.

Did Johnson break any laws?

 

The witness didn't report any of that - except that Johnson put the cigs back on the counter before he left, but go ahead and enjoy your fantasy and interpretation of the law.

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WHO.FUCKING.CARES whether there was a cigar robbery or not??? That's not the point. What the video shows and IS THE ONY POINT is that the "gentle gian"t was an aggressive asshole. Couple that with a cop punched in the face, a struggle for a gun in the car.... And it paints a pretty damning pic of an aggressive asshole with zero respect for the law or for authority.

 

JFC, focus people!

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More bla bla bla. Marching? Forum? That is talk. Talk amongst people that dont have a clue. They need shit done in the trenches. Get this shit taken care of.

 

You're above crap is ignorant as it says NOTHING but feel good bs.

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WHO.FUCKING.CARES whether there was a cigar robbery or not??? That's not the point. What the video shows and IS THE ONY POINT is that the "gentle gian"t was an aggressive asshole. Couple that with a cop punched in the face, a struggle for a gun in the car.... And it paints a pretty damning pic of an aggressive asshole with zero respect for the law or for authority.

 

JFC, focus people!

When he goes on trial that stuff will be admissible.

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How did he assist?

 

"Simply being next to him" is not assistance.

In a strong arm robbery, it does. Did the Fergy cops fuck this case up as well?

 

Really? Have any case law to back that up, or are you making shit up again?

I just slipped into my Happy Jack Magic Underpants (™) and rewatched that video. Its clear in the tape that Johnson is the ring leader. He tells the clerk to give Brown the cigars, Brown hands them to Johnson who puts them back on the counter and yells, "Not those mutherfuckers, the Swishers!" The clerk hands Brown the Swishers. Johnson then tells the clerk "That's better you cracker, now you better fucking keep your pie hole shut or my gentle giant here is gonna bust your ass." He then gives Brown the signal to ruff up the clerk a bit to send the message. They both walk out.

Did Johnson break any laws?

You sure the clerk is a Cracker?

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JFSF - totally agreed.

 

Wonder if that video would be part of anything in an actualy court of law or any decisions made regarding prosecution of the officer. To me if the officer was punched hard in the face I dont even understand how it would be expected he'd have the mental capacity to think straight and everything after that doesnt really matter. But I'm not a lawyer thats for sure.

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The whole thing is a huge waste. Waste of life and waste of resources. And the only reason race is part of this kind of thing these days is due to Al Sharpton types who without racism are non-relevant.

 

A box of cigars for crying out loud. Criminals are not smart.

The problem is he had his hands up when he was shot per three witnesses now. Jack failed to mention the witness was clear he saw nothing that looked like a bum rush. This will be a tough one for the cop, if those construction workers are white and sound intelligent. It may be the adrenalin got the better of him and he's not really a bad guy at all, but them's the breaks in that line of work.

 

The larger mess is this in combination with a community that had lost trust in their police and is therfore not giving them the benefit of the doubt. Everybody deserves that, but it's problematic for police in our system of laws if they lose it. Always a fragile construct between the police and the poor even in the best of times.

Spend some time on youtube watching fatal police encounters. You will find a number where the suspect just keeps moving toward the officer not obeying command. Even putting hands up only to get close enough to assault the officer. What is critical to the Ferguson case is what happened in the car. If the officer grabbed mike through the window and when Mike resisted he drew his gun which mike saw and grabbed to avoid getting shot? Them the officer did not have cause to shoot when Mike was fleeing (in my opinion) However if MIke initiated the contact, punched the officer without cause and the then the officer drew the gun to defend himself or Mike tried to go for the gun in the holster then the officer was justified shooting a fleeing violent felon. When Mike turned and backed the officer up 25 feet as, maybe, the most credible witness said. The officer had every right to view Mike as a lethal threat and shoot to kill. I could care less when his hands were. Apparently he had to keep shooting over the entire 25 feet to stop the big guy. In the video below the officer tries to hard to order the man to stop before defending himself. As a result the man reached the officer and beat him. He could have died. In my mind he could have killed that man and it would be justified.
There is no justification for shooting at Michael Brown while he was running away.

 

There may be. If it is decided he was fleeing from a violent felony. It's a pretty narrow window of law that permits that in this country, sometimes.

 

No justification for shooting an unarmed man with his hands up, saying "OK OK OK" who is not charging or anything like that, such as described by the report on the construction workers account, though.

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The whole thing is a huge waste. Waste of life and waste of resources. And the only reason race is part of this kind of thing these days is due to Al Sharpton types who without racism are non-relevant.

 

A box of cigars for crying out loud. Criminals are not smart.

The problem is he had his hands up when he was shot per three witnesses now. Jack failed to mention the witness was clear he saw nothing that looked like a bum rush. This will be a tough one for the cop, if those construction workers are white and sound intelligent. It may be the adrenalin got the better of him and he's not really a bad guy at all, but them's the breaks in that line of work.

 

The larger mess is this in combination with a community that had lost trust in their police and is therfore not giving them the benefit of the doubt. Everybody deserves that, but it's problematic for police in our system of laws if they lose it. Always a fragile construct between the police and the poor even in the best of times.

Spend some time on youtube watching fatal police encounters. You will find a number where the suspect just keeps moving toward the officer not obeying command. Even putting hands up only to get close enough to assault the officer. What is critical to the Ferguson case is what happened in the car. If the officer grabbed mike through the window and when Mike resisted he drew his gun which mike saw and grabbed to avoid getting shot? Them the officer did not have cause to shoot when Mike was fleeing (in my opinion) However if MIke initiated the contact, punched the officer without cause and the then the officer drew the gun to defend himself or Mike tried to go for the gun in the holster then the officer was justified shooting a fleeing violent felon. When Mike turned and backed the officer up 25 feet as, maybe, the most credible witness said. The officer had every right to view Mike as a lethal threat and shoot to kill. I could care less when his hands were. Apparently he had to keep shooting over the entire 25 feet to stop the big guy. In the video below the officer tries to hard to order the man to stop before defending himself. As a result the man reached the officer and beat him. He could have died. In my mind he could have killed that man and it would be justified.
There is no justification for shooting at Michael Brown while he was running away.

 

There may be. If it is decided he was fleeing from a violent felony. It's a pretty narrow window of law that permits that in this country, sometimes.

 

No justification for shooting an unarmed man with his hands up, saying "OK OK OK" who is not charging or anything like that, such as described by the report on the construction workers account, though.

 

Anybody interested in finding out what the actual evidence is in this case?

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Spend some time on youtube watching fatal police encounters. You will find a number where the suspect just keeps moving toward the officer not obeying command. Even putting hands up only to get close enough to assault the officer. What is critical to the Ferguson case is what happened in the car. If the officer grabbed mike through the window and when Mike resisted he drew his gun which mike saw and grabbed to avoid getting shot? Them the officer did not have cause to shoot when Mike was fleeing (in my opinion) However if MIke initiated the contact, punched the officer without cause and the then the officer drew the gun to defend himself or Mike tried to go for the gun in the holster then the officer was justified shooting a fleeing violent felon. When Mike turned and backed the officer up 25 feet as, maybe, the most credible witness said. The officer had every right to view Mike as a lethal threat and shoot to kill. I could care less when his hands were. Apparently he had to keep shooting over the entire 25 feet to stop the big guy. In the video below the officer tries to hard to order the man to stop before defending himself. As a result the man reached the officer and beat him. He could have died. In my mind he could have killed that man and it would be justified.
There is no justification for shooting at Michael Brown while he was running away.

 

There may be. If it is decided he was fleeing from a violent felony. It's a pretty narrow window of law that permits that in this country, sometimes.

 

No justification for shooting an unarmed man with his hands up, saying "OK OK OK" who is not charging or anything like that, such as described by the report on the construction workers account, though.

 

Anybody interested in finding out what the actual evidence is in this case?

 

Yeah, it worked for Zimmerman.

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Anybody interested in finding out what the actual evidence is in this case?

Too soon to tell. The grand jury is still deciding whether or not to give Mr. Brown a trial.

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Anybody interested in finding out what the actual evidence is in this case?

 

I certainly am. I don't see how anyone can complain that Brown's family isn't going to get a fair shake with 40 FBI agents on the ground and the world watching.

 

Ed wants to rely on a couple witnesses, and Sol seems to want to exhume Brown so he can stand trial - but I don't know of any precedence for that.

 

Some people - like the family of Brown, Sharpton, protesters and a few posters here seem to think we should be a nation of men [sic] and not laws.

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WHO.FUCKING.CARES whether there was a cigar robbery or not??? That's not the point. What the video shows and IS THE ONY POINT is that the "gentle gian"t was an aggressive asshole. Couple that with a cop punched in the face, a struggle for a gun in the car.... And it paints a pretty damning pic of an aggressive asshole with zero respect for the law or for authority.

JFC, focus people!

This again? Punched in the face is just what the cop said. Struggled for the gun is just what the cop said. Neither of those statements has been proven.

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WHO.FUCKING.CARES whether there was a cigar robbery or not??? That's not the point. What the video shows and IS THE ONY POINT is that the "gentle gian"t was an aggressive asshole. Couple that with a cop punched in the face, a struggle for a gun in the car.... And it paints a pretty damning pic of an aggressive asshole with zero respect for the law or for authority.

 

JFC, focus people!

Well, the lack of arrest of the strong arm robbery accomplice indicates that either there was no strong arm robbery, or the Fergy cops are truly the Keystone cops. Doesn't reflect well on the competency of the police. Does it.

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The whole thing is a huge waste. Waste of life and waste of resources. And the only reason race is part of this kind of thing these days is due to Al Sharpton types who without racism are non-relevant.

 

A box of cigars for crying out loud. Criminals are not smart.

The problem is he had his hands up when he was shot per three witnesses now. Jack failed to mention the witness was clear he saw nothing that looked like a bum rush. This will be a tough one for the cop, if those construction workers are white and sound intelligent. It may be the adrenalin got the better of him and he's not really a bad guy at all, but them's the breaks in that line of work.

 

The larger mess is this in combination with a community that had lost trust in their police and is therfore not giving them the benefit of the doubt. Everybody deserves that, but it's problematic for police in our system of laws if they lose it. Always a fragile construct between the police and the poor even in the best of times.

Spend some time on youtube watching fatal police encounters. You will find a number where the suspect just keeps moving toward the officer not obeying command. Even putting hands up only to get close enough to assault the officer. What is critical to the Ferguson case is what happened in the car. If the officer grabbed mike through the window and when Mike resisted he drew his gun which mike saw and grabbed to avoid getting shot? Them the officer did not have cause to shoot when Mike was fleeing (in my opinion) However if MIke initiated the contact, punched the officer without cause and the then the officer drew the gun to defend himself or Mike tried to go for the gun in the holster then the officer was justified shooting a fleeing violent felon. When Mike turned and backed the officer up 25 feet as, maybe, the most credible witness said. The officer had every right to view Mike as a lethal threat and shoot to kill. I could care less when his hands were. Apparently he had to keep shooting over the entire 25 feet to stop the big guy. In the video below the officer tries to hard to order the man to stop before defending himself. As a result the man reached the officer and beat him. He could have died. In my mind he could have killed that man and it would be justified.
There is no justification for shooting at Michael Brown while he was running away.

 

There may be. If it is decided he was fleeing from a violent felony. It's a pretty narrow window of law that permits that in this country, sometimes.

 

No justification for shooting an unarmed man with his hands up, saying "OK OK OK" who is not charging or anything like that, such as described by the report on the construction workers account, though.

 

The point of watching the videos is to see the real life threat someone who is bigger than you presents when they passive aggressively move towards you. If as the unidentified worker that gave the interview says Mike turned and they were only about 10 feet (just someones estimate , could be farther or closer) away and they raise their hands but then start closing the distance between you after they have already demonstrated they were violent? Sorry the shooting was justified. And it is very possible that to a person who wants to be sympathetic to the teen could see it as a non violent surrender from a distance.

 

There was already a gun fight in the vehicle. That is started as a jaywalk is completely irrelevant. Like I said search Youtube. Real live videoed cases where advancing suspects got too close and others where after shots were fired they shot to kill a fleeing suspect without further warning warning.

 

I'm still open to the remote possibility the officer lost his cool and assaulted Mike first because he was pissed by a punk blowing him off. But you need to show me some evidence that is what happened before I will believe that is what happened. As the evidence stands now I think Mike was the maker of his own fate.

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WHO.FUCKING.CARES whether there was a cigar robbery or not??? That's not the point. What the video shows and IS THE ONY POINT is that the "gentle gian"t was an aggressive asshole. Couple that with a cop punched in the face, a struggle for a gun in the car.... And it paints a pretty damning pic of an aggressive asshole with zero respect for the law or for authority.

JFC, focus people!

This again? Punched in the face is just what the cop said. Struggled for the gun is just what the cop said. Neither of those statements has been proven.

 

Which is the more likely aggressor based on what we do know. Mike on video being in your face and violent minutes before vs an officer with a complaint free career and no-one that has come forward with stories of prior character issues?

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WHO.FUCKING.CARES whether there was a cigar robbery or not??? That's not the point. What the video shows and IS THE ONY POINT is that the "gentle gian"t was an aggressive asshole. Couple that with a cop punched in the face, a struggle for a gun in the car.... And it paints a pretty damning pic of an aggressive asshole with zero respect for the law or for authority.

JFC, focus people!

This again? Punched in the face is just what the cop said. Struggled for the gun is just what the cop said. Neither of those statements has been proven.

Well if cops are liars that cannot be trusted then get rid of cops and we'll all take care of it ourselves.

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I think we all know what was most likely to have happened. Good thing 98% of us feel the same way. There is always a few 'fliers' out there on all subjects.

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I think we all know what was most likely to have happened. Good thing 98% of us feel the same way. There is always a few 'fliers' out there on all subjects.

Does the 98% include the 3 eye witnesses?

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I think we all know what was most likely to have happened. Good thing 98% of us feel the same way. There is always a few 'fliers' out there on all subjects.

Does the 98% include the 3 eye witnesses?

We'll know after the grand jury knows. Right now non of us on this thread knows including you.

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Contractors react to shooting

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR7VHs9wo0Q#t=59

 

wo men could be seen on video reacting to the shooting of unarmed teen Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., in what CNN described on Wednesday night as exclusive footage shot by a bystander on a cellphone. "He had his fucking hands in the air!" one of the men is heard shouting in the moments after the Aug. 9 shooting of the black teen by a white police officer. CNN aired the footage during "Anderson Cooper 360" and said it was filmed by an unidentified man near the scene of the shooting. CNN also talked to the two men who were shown on the video.



The men, who didn't wish to be identified, told CNN they witnessed the shooting from about 50 yards away. The man shown in the video in a pink shirt told CNN that they heard one gun shot followed by another about 30 seconds later. He said he saw Brown staggering and putting his hands up saying "Okay, okay, okay" but that "the cop didn't say get on the ground, he just kept shooting."



The man in the green shirt told CNN he saw Brown running away from the police car with his hands up as the officer chased him. He also said the police officer shot Brown again when his back was turned, according to CNN. The network said the two men have no connection to Michael Brown or his family. CNN reported that their accounts corroborate what other witnesses have reported: that Brown had his hands in the air and his back to Officer Darren Wilson when he was shot.



http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cnn-ferguson-video-bystanders-hands-air

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Love the pic of a guy, face blurred with his hands up under the caption

'He Had His F**king Hands In The Air!'

. Only when you dig into the story do you learn that the guy in the PIC is not gentle Mike. Talk about misleading media. 50 yrds is a long way to see any interaction with the cop and Brown.

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That at least shows that Ferguson has good schools. For a bunch of kids, that was very well written and produced.

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That at least shows that Ferguson has good schools. For a bunch of kids, that was very well written and produced.

 

This maybe why.

 

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Love the pic of a guy, face blurred with his hands up under the caption 'He Had His F**king Hands In The Air!'

. Only when you dig into the story do you learn that the guy in the PIC is not gentle Mike. Talk about misleading media. 50 yrds is a long way to see any interaction with the cop and Brown.

In your opinion, what's the longest distance you'd accept for an accurate account of an interaction?

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Love the pic of a guy, face blurred with his hands up under the caption 'He Had His F**king Hands In The Air!'

. Only when you dig into the story do you learn that the guy in the PIC is not gentle Mike. Talk about misleading media. 50 yrds is a long way to see any interaction with the cop and Brown.

In your opinion, what's the longest distance you'd accept for an accurate account of an interaction?
I think it depends on the angle and distance. Eyewitnesses are important but in my opinion forensics plays a larger part. My point was the way CNN played the story. Clearly trying to stoke the fires. I have not come to any conclusion other than the cop asked them

To get out of the street they ignored him which led to a confrontation and ended with mr brown dead. Witnesses are contradicting each other and the forensics that have been released.

 

I also think the robbery video shows a large man willing to use his size to intimidate.

 

Other than that it ranges from the kid was at fault to the cop was at fault. Probably somewhere in the middle.

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That at least shows that Ferguson has good schools. For a bunch of kids, that was very well written and produced.

 

This maybe why.

 

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I should have used the sarcasm font, but thanks for posting that.

 

Apparently, Sharpton is not the only one profiting from exploiting racial unrest. I hope the Ferguson kids were paid well for their acting. They did great.

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I think we all know what was most likely to have happened. Good thing 98% of us feel the same way. There is always a few 'fliers' out there on all subjects.

Does the 98% include the 3 eye witnesses?

We'll know after the grand jury knows. Right now non of us on this thread knows including you.

Weird, you said 98% know what happened. But when I ask if the 3 independent eye witnesses who actually saw what happened are part of the 98 % who you think know what happened are part of the population, you deflect. Seems to me that you don't think the eye witnesses are included in your argument. That tells me you are pulling numbers out of your ass. Is that true?

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This maybe why.

 

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I should have used the sarcasm font, but thanks for posting that.

 

Apparently, Sharpton is not the only one profiting from exploiting racial unrest. I hope the Ferguson kids were paid well for their acting. They did great.

 

It's a 1000 miles round trip to Ferguson, I wonder if they really made the trip?

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Would have been hard today the protestors decided to block US 70 in honor of Big Mike. Too bad a big rig didn't splatter them all over

the interstate.

http://m.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/protesters-try-to-block-interstate/image_9250c53a-53d7-5501-b833-01b5bc3183af.html?mobile_touch=true

Too bad? WTF? You're better than sick jokes like that.

 

Or am I taking your words out of context? Or grabbing one little bit and trying to twist what you just wrote?

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Would have been hard today the protestors decided to block US 70 in honor of Big Mike. Too bad a big rig didn't splatter them all over

the interstate.

http://m.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/protesters-try-to-block-interstate/image_9250c53a-53d7-5501-b833-01b5bc3183af.html?mobile_touch=true

Too bad? WTF? You're better than sick jokes like that.

 

Or am I taking your words out of context? Or grabbing one little bit and trying to twist what you just wrote?

 

An unfortunate post no doubt.

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Would have been hard today the protestors decided to block US 70 in honor of Big Mike. Too bad a big rig didn't splatter them all over

the interstate.

http://m.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/protesters-try-to-block-interstate/image_9250c53a-53d7-5501-b833-01b5bc3183af.html?mobile_touch=true

Too bad? WTF? You're better than sick jokes like that.

 

Or am I taking your words out of context? Or grabbing one little bit and trying to twist what you just wrote?

Street justice?

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The whole thing is a huge waste. Waste of life and waste of resources. And the only reason race is part of this kind of thing these days is due to Al Sharpton types who without racism are non-relevant.

 

A box of cigars for crying out loud. Criminals are not smart.

The problem is he had his hands up when he was shot per three witnesses now. Jack failed to mention the witness was clear he saw nothing that looked like a bum rush. This will be a tough one for the cop, if those construction workers are white and sound intelligent. It may be the adrenalin got the better of him and he's not really a bad guy at all, but them's the breaks in that line of work.

 

The larger mess is this in combination with a community that had lost trust in their police and is therfore not giving them the benefit of the doubt. Everybody deserves that, but it's problematic for police in our system of laws if they lose it. Always a fragile construct between the police and the poor even in the best of times.

Spend some time on youtube watching fatal police encounters. You will find a number where the suspect just keeps moving toward the officer not obeying command. Even putting hands up only to get close enough to assault the officer. What is critical to the Ferguson case is what happened in the car. If the officer grabbed mike through the window and when Mike resisted he drew his gun which mike saw and grabbed to avoid getting shot? Them the officer did not have cause to shoot when Mike was fleeing (in my opinion) However if MIke initiated the contact, punched the officer without cause and the then the officer drew the gun to defend himself or Mike tried to go for the gun in the holster then the officer was justified shooting a fleeing violent felon. When Mike turned and backed the officer up 25 feet as, maybe, the most credible witness said. The officer had every right to view Mike as a lethal threat and shoot to kill. I could care less when his hands were. Apparently he had to keep shooting over the entire 25 feet to stop the big guy. In the video below the officer tries to hard to order the man to stop before defending himself. As a result the man reached the officer and beat him. He could have died. In my mind he could have killed that man and it would be justified.
There is no justification for shooting at Michael Brown while he was running away.
He was shot in the back 6 times?

Try again.

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The whole thing is a huge waste. Waste of life and waste of resources. And the only reason race is part of this kind of thing these days is due to Al Sharpton types who without racism are non-relevant.

 

A box of cigars for crying out loud. Criminals are not smart.

The problem is he had his hands up when he was shot per three witnesses now. Jack failed to mention the witness was clear he saw nothing that looked like a bum rush. This will be a tough one for the cop, if those construction workers are white and sound intelligent. It may be the adrenalin got the better of him and he's not really a bad guy at all, but them's the breaks in that line of work.

 

The larger mess is this in combination with a community that had lost trust in their police and is therfore not giving them the benefit of the doubt. Everybody deserves that, but it's problematic for police in our system of laws if they lose it. Always a fragile construct between the police and the poor even in the best of times.

Looks like one of them is white, so there is some credibility there. What I can't figure out is how they coordinated the "hands up" thing so quickly that the other worker is on video doing the hands-up thing before the cops even got the crime scene tape up. That's pretty fast organization.

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Would have been hard today the protestors decided to block US 70 in honor of Big Mike. Too bad a big rig didn't splatter them all over

the interstate.

http://m.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/protesters-try-to-block-interstate/image_9250c53a-53d7-5501-b833-01b5bc3183af.html?mobile_touch=true

Too bad? WTF? You're better than sick jokes like that.

 

Or am I taking your words out of context? Or grabbing one little bit and trying to twist what you just wrote?

Yeah poor taste but can you imagine the thought process of hey lets march out a ramp onto an interstate?

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I think we all know what was most likely to have happened. Good thing 98% of us feel the same way. There is always a few 'fliers' out there on all subjects.

Does the 98% include the 3 eye witnesses?

We'll know after the grand jury knows. Right now non of us on this thread knows including you.

Weird, you said 98% know what happened. But when I ask if the 3 independent eye witnesses who actually saw what happened are part of the 98 % who you think know what happened are part of the population, you deflect. Seems to me that you don't think the eye witnesses are included in your argument. That tells me you are pulling numbers out of your ass. Is that true?

Some of them. As it appears the event is a bit different depending on which eye witness is asked.

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Would have been hard today the protestors decided to block US 70 in honor of Big Mike. Too bad a big rig didn't splatter them all over

the interstate.

http://m.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/protesters-try-to-block-interstate/image_9250c53a-53d7-5501-b833-01b5bc3183af.html?mobile_touch=true

Too bad? WTF? You're better than sick jokes like that.

 

Or am I taking your words out of context? Or grabbing one little bit and trying to twist what you just wrote?

Yeah poor taste but can you imagine the thought process of hey lets march out a ramp onto an interstate?

simplythought process. Its called selfishness. In honor of Mike they just go out and do whatever the hell they want and disregard others and the law. Appropriate.

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Would have been hard today the protestors decided to block US 70 in honor of Big Mike. Too bad a big rig didn't splatter them all over

the interstate.http://m.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/protesters-try-to-block-interstate/image_9250c53a-53d7-5501-b833-01b5bc3183af.html?mobile_touch=true

Too bad? WTF? You're better than sick jokes like that.

Or am I taking your words out of context? Or grabbing one little bit and trying to twist what you just wrote?

Yeah poor taste but can you imagine the thought process of hey lets march out a ramp onto an interstate?

I was a few cars behind 2 assholes who decided to cause a traffic jam by stopping on a freeway. It was incredibly annoying.

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Would have been hard today the protestors decided to block US 70 in honor of Big Mike. Too bad a big rig didn't splatter them all over

the interstate.http://m.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/protesters-try-to-block-interstate/image_9250c53a-53d7-5501-b833-01b5bc3183af.html?mobile_touch=true

Too bad? WTF? You're better than sick jokes like that.

Or am I taking your words out of context? Or grabbing one little bit and trying to twist what you just wrote?

Yeah poor taste but can you imagine the thought process of hey lets march out a ramp onto an interstate?
I was a few cars behind 2 assholes who decided to cause a traffic jam by stopping on a freeway. It was incredibly annoying.
Haitians in South Florida used to block all lanes of I-95 doing about 10 mph, to bring attention to the discriminatory white foot black foot policy. Not a good way to get sympathetic attention.

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Would have been hard today the protestors decided to block US 70 in honor of Big Mike. Too bad a big rig didn't splatter them all over

the interstate.http://m.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/protesters-try-to-block-interstate/image_9250c53a-53d7-5501-b833-01b5bc3183af.html?mobile_touch=true

Too bad? WTF? You're better than sick jokes like that.

Or am I taking your words out of context? Or grabbing one little bit and trying to twist what you just wrote?

Yeah poor taste but can you imagine the thought process of hey lets march out a ramp onto an interstate?
I was a few cars behind 2 assholes who decided to cause a traffic jam by stopping on a freeway. It was incredibly annoying.
Haitians in South Florida used to block all lanes of I-95 doing about 10 mph, to bring attention to the discriminatory white foot black foot policy. Not a good way to get sympathetic attention.

did you wish someone to splatter them all over the interstate?

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Would have been hard today the protestors decided to block US 70 in honor of Big Mike. Too bad a big rig didn't splatter them all over

the interstate.

 

http://m.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/protesters-try-to-block-interstate/image_9250c53a-53d7-5501-b833-01b5bc3183af.html?mobile_touch=true

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Haitians in South Florida used to block all lanes of I-95 doing about 10 mph, to bring attention to the discriminatory white foot black foot policy. Not a good way to get sympathetic attention.

did you wish someone to splatter them all over the interstate?

I just cringed. I've been to Haiti and seen it first hand. They don't need to convince me, they need to keep from alienating me.

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The whole thing is a huge waste. Waste of life and waste of resources. And the only reason race is part of this kind of thing these days is due to Al Sharpton types who without racism are non-relevant.

 

A box of cigars for crying out loud. Criminals are not smart.

The problem is he had his hands up when he was shot per three witnesses now. Jack failed to mention the witness was clear he saw nothing that looked like a bum rush. This will be a tough one for the cop, if those construction workers are white and sound intelligent. It may be the adrenalin got the better of him and he's not really a bad guy at all, but them's the breaks in that line of work.

 

The larger mess is this in combination with a community that had lost trust in their police and is therfore not giving them the benefit of the doubt. Everybody deserves that, but it's problematic for police in our system of laws if they lose it. Always a fragile construct between the police and the poor even in the best of times.

Looks like one of them is white, so there is some credibility there. What I can't figure out is how they coordinated the "hands up" thing so quickly that the other worker is on video doing the hands-up thing before the cops even got the crime scene tape up. That's pretty fast organization.

 

My wigger alarm is chirping...

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More bla bla bla. Marching? Forum? That is talk. Talk amongst people that dont have a clue. They need shit done in the trenches. Get this shit taken care of.

 

You're above crap is ignorant as it says NOTHING but feel good bs.

 

It's no less than they did in regards to Ferguson; which you deemed sufficient to blame them for the riots...

 

I take back what I said about you being lazy - you obviously put a lot of effort into staying ignorant.

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More bla bla bla. Marching? Forum? That is talk. Talk amongst people that dont have a clue. They need shit done in the trenches. Get this shit taken care of.

 

You're above crap is ignorant as it says NOTHING but feel good bs.

 

It's no less than they did in regards to Ferguson; which you deemed sufficient to blame them for the riots...

 

I take back what I said about you being lazy - you obviously put a lot of effort into staying ignorant.

Frenchie you aint too bright. You made my point. They blow in for a day, blow their biggotted horn, rile people up, then blow out of town. Nothing solved.

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More bla bla bla. Marching? Forum? That is talk. Talk amongst people that dont have a clue. They need shit done in the trenches. Get this shit taken care of.

 

You're above crap is ignorant as it says NOTHING but feel good bs.

 

 

It's no less than they did in regards to Ferguson; which you deemed sufficient to blame them for the riots...

 

I take back what I said about you being lazy - you obviously put a lot of effort into staying ignorant.

 

 

Frenchie you aint too bright. You made my point. They blow in for a day, blow their biggotted horn, rile people up, then blow out of town. Nothing solved.

 

 

Except that wasn't your point, was it? You claimed they caused the unrest in Ferguson, but did nothing about intra-community violence.

 

If you think folks around here are dumb enough to fall for that blatant a case of moving the goalposts, quit projecting.

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Its exactly my point. They are the ones blowing the race horn all the time. The blow the black on black crime horn too. Then run off to make some more money from the white fold they claim are the enemy. There are no goalposts moving there.

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Authoritative bloviating. Where have we seen that before?

 

Doggone it, I regatta an idea I've seen that shit before, somewhere.

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