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I am in boat looking mode - without getting specific - would buy a boat whose owner was murdered on?

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Sure, as long as any mess was cleaned up first - what are the odds on it happening twice? Kind of like flying after being in a plane crash - the odds on a repeat are incalculably small.

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I'm with Sloop on this one as long as the previous owner was not a friend.

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No problem, as long as the PO was removed quickly after...not left for a month in the summer, for instance.

 

 

Unless you believe in ghosts. :ph34r:

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You might consider the effect this could have on the future resale value, if that's going to be a factor for you. In houses this can be a big issue -- some cultures more than others.

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I tried to buy an impounded drug boat one time (54' steel Brewer design), but drugs + boat - less stigma...

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I was waffling on a badly 'rode hard and put away wet' race boat earlier this year. Did some poking around and found out the owner had been through court for beating up his wife more than once. The bad karma aspect kind of sealed the 'no deal' for me. But I probably wouldn't have bought it anyway.

 

Murdered? I'd be more interested to know if they deserved it!

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Horrible story-hacked to death by machete in the Rio Dulce...

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I ran a Swan 65 that had a famous (west coast) crewman die of a heart attach. Very few people outside of an immediate circle of sailors that knew the guy even knew the actual boat he collapsed on. So it's really only in the mind of the potential buyer. If the price was right & I wanted that boat it would not bother me.

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i've sailed many times on a boat on which a crew member died - i never really think about it

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i've sailed many times on a boat on which a crew member died - i never really think about it

 

My first reaction to your post was that you were a big league Jonah that I wouldn't sail with under any circumstances and then I realized you were talking about one boat and one crew member.

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i've sailed many times on a boat on which a crew member died - i never really think about it

Blue Yankee?

 

no - nothing like that

 

a heart attack.., and i wasnt aboard,,, and didnt know the guy

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Clearing Immigration in Bermuda after a passage from St Martin, the old greyhaired officer asked our skipper, 'Have there been any deaths on board since your last port of call?'

 

As I had just filled the diesel day tank with fresh water down at the Royal Bermuda YC docks, my skip looked over at me with a nasty sneer and answered, 'Not yet....'

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Shortage of boats to choose from in your area? I say no way, unless it was a really killer deal.

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Shortage of boats to choose from in your area? I say no way, unless it was a really killer deal.

 

I say, make sure everyone on the face of the planet knows this boat's a death boat so they won't touch it with a 10-foot (whisker?) pole.

 

Then drive a really killer deal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(and sleep with the hatch locked)

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Shortage of boats to choose from in your area? I say no way, unless it was a really killer deal.

 

I say, make sure everyone on the face of the planet knows this boat's a death boat so they won't touch it with a 10-foot (whisker?) pole.

 

Then drive a really killer deal.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(and sleep with the hatch locked)

"(and sleep with the hatch locked)"

 

That would keep the beasties in and you without a quick way out no??

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i've sailed many times on a boat on which a crew member died - i never really think about it

 

Me too... rode on on a couple of them, for a few years

 

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Although sometimes I still wake up in the middle of the night, in a panic (UNREP detail! Haircut!)

 

Sorry, couldn't help it

 

FB- Doug

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Clearing Immigration in Bermuda after a passage from St Martin, the old greyhaired officer asked our skipper, 'Have there been any deaths on board since your last port of call?'

 

As I had just filled the diesel day tank with fresh water down at the Royal Bermuda YC docks, my skip looked over at me with a nasty sneer and answered, 'Not yet....'

 

If you had filled the water tank with diesel instead of the diesel tank with water he might have.

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Interesting topic- same question comes up for houses where someone has taken their own life - I feel ( in regards to house and boats) that if someone lives there long enough chances are in the past that someone may have died there - more applicable to houses as there are a lot of older houses around.

Certainly wouldn't put me off

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Clearing Immigration in Bermuda after a passage from St Martin, the old greyhaired officer asked our skipper, 'Have there been any deaths on board since your last port of call?'

 

As I had just filled the diesel day tank with fresh water down at the Royal Bermuda YC docks, my skip looked over at me with a nasty sneer and answered, 'Not yet....'

 

If you had filled the water tank with diesel instead of the diesel tank with water he might have.

 

 

The skipper got back at me real good for the diesel screwup. He made me share a cabin on that trip with the cutest exhibitionist nymphomaniac tease that ever breathed. She gave me the worst set of blue balls in history before that delivery was over! Years later he came through my home port and looked me up and had me join he and his crew at the time for dinner. He started telling his crew about the little minx that he had 'set me up' with and I had to admit to him that I never got even a taste of that. He was shocked and dismayed that I hadn't been rutting like satyr the whole passage. A smile finally came over his face and he said that it was my Karma to suffer such a world class tease for my goof with the fuel/water. He attributed my mistake to a bad case of 'DSB'. I had to ask, 'Dangerous Sperm Buildup'!

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Bottom pic a Farragut Class?

 

Yep

 

Originally a "Destroyer Leader, Guided Missile" or DLG; later they decided that was too complicated and just called a destroyer with guided missiles (SM-2 AA and later Harpoons) or DDG.

 

The MacDonough (DDG 39) was a steamin' mofo; during the relatively short years I was in her, we went to England and Italy and Portugal and Pakistan and Djibouti and Bahrain and Diego G and Gitmo a couple times, along with much running in circles in between. I was startled to see her being broken up at the old Philly pier, long long after... hope none of her metal goes into my razor blades.

 

FB- Doug

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Bottom pic a Farragut Class?

Yep

 

Originally a "Destroyer Leader, Guided Missile" or DLG; later they decided that was too complicated and just called a destroyer with guided missiles (SM-2 AA and later Harpoons) or DDG.

 

The MacDonough (DDG 39) was a steamin' mofo; during the relatively short years I was in her, we went to England and Italy and Portugal and Pakistan and Djibouti and Bahrain and Diego G and Gitmo a couple times, along with much running in circles in between. I was startled to see her being broken up at the old Philly pier, long long after... hope none of her metal goes into my razor blades.

 

FB- Doug

Cool. I dig DDs and DEs.

A book you might try to track down, should be able to find it on Amazon, is The Ordeal of Convoy NY 119. Synopsis: a handful of DEs escort a fleet of Army craft (LTs (large tugs), towing STs (small tugs), barges, and car floats; plus Y-Class oilers) across the North Atlantic in fall '44. Army actually had more vessels than Navy did during WW2. The STs kept rolling over, the barges broke loose, the car floats leaked and sank, oilers broke down... constant problems. Then they hit a gale in the approaches to the English Channel. Crazy story, good read.

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Trent Reznor (NiN) lived for awhile in the house where Sharon Tate et alia were butchered by the Manson Family. How's that for some heavy vibe? Had a studio there called "Le Pig" where Marilyn Manson (no relation) and Tori Amos cut records.

 

Might want to add this woman to the survey team:

 

 

And if the report includes statements like "Letters REDRUM bleeding thru paint on bulkheads", I'd keep looking.

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Tori Amos was one of the better shows I've seen. Too bad she was opening for Alanis Morrisette, who not only was quite disappointing, but had a crowd of thousands of screaming teenage girls. I left a couple songs into her set.... surprised I lasted that long.

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A good name for it would be DOA. Take more of those nootropics and maybe some day you can properly complete a sentence.

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You might consider the effect this could have on the future resale value, if that's going to be a factor for you. In houses this can be a big issue -- some cultures more than others.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You said "Boat" and "Resale Value" in the same sentence! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Funniest thing I've heard all week! :lol:

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I am in boat looking mode - without getting specific - would buy a boat whose owner was murdered on?

 

It depends... What's it rate?

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Great question around the office today. It would depend on the boat on the price, but we all came to the same conclusion: If it were a solid boat i.e. j120, farr something etc that we could race and cruise for like 20k, we are all in. We figured a good priest and a rum bath would turn around the Karma for the boat.

 

We did come up some new names for the boat:

Crime Scene

Sleeping with the Fish

Cement Pillow

Cold

Flat Line

Run Out

Door Nail

DOA

Tack Or I'll Kill You!

Kick The Bucket

Ruffi

 

We could go on...

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I am in boat looking mode - without getting specific - would buy a boat whose owner was murdered on?

 

No

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Kind of like flying after being in a plane crash - the odds on a repeat are incalculably small.

 

Nor would I fly on a plane that had crashed previously :-)

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I am in boat looking mode - without getting specific - would buy a boat whose owner was murdered on?

 

I don't suppose... that you are planning this murder, the once and future vic is married to a babe you're seeing now, and you are carefully thinking about resale.......

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Go for it! You might get an able-bodied crew member who appears in a storm to help steer your ship while you writhe on the floor, sick from mixing cheese and plums. Just don't pay any attention to the occasional beating sound coming from your floor boards... It's probably just the bilge pump.

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can you claim salvage rights?

 

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LOL, true story, USS Enterprise sea trials after refueling - had a bunch of sillyvillian (civilian) riders on board, some were seasick including one lady scientist. Since she was under the weather her friends left her in the bunk to sleep, and sleep and sleep..after her sleeping for about 24 hours straight, they tried to wake her up....oooopss..she had gone to sleep never to wake up.

 

Doctor Ben Dover had to pronounce her....

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Met a guy who took on a delivery with the owner on board. Older guy and didn't buck the skippers decisions and they got along just fine, UNTIL...

 

Hit some rough weather off the Carolina capes and the owner was useless. Skip was nervous about the old guy flopping around down below puking all over everything and possibly calling in the CG on the radio. Got the owner all bundled up in foul weather gear and PFD and harness and parked him in the leeward side of the cockpit sort of sheltered by the dodger. He couldn't take a stint at the helm, but was feeling better than down below. After a half day of this, things got worst and all of a sudden the owner just keeled over into the floor of the cockpit. Skip waited for a lull and went around the binnacle and propped him back up in the seat and then realized he was dead!

 

Many freaky hours later the weather improved to the point where the skip could get to the radio and put in a report to the CG. They said that they would send out a cutter to take the owner off and to just heave to where he was. Skip needed some rest but it was pretty hard to relax with a body in the cockpit with him. Took a few hours until the CG arrived and sent the RIB over and took the owner off and got a brief statement from the skipper. He expected them to come back to the boat after ferrying the body to the cutter but was surprised to see the RIB being hoisted! He asked what was up and was told that he should proceed with his voyage or follow them into the nearby port. He was shocked that after 24 hrs at the helm that he was solely on his own but CG said that they could not tow and if he wanted to abandon ship that was his call. He figured he should at least fulfill his obligation to get the boat to its destination, if only for the new widows financial benefit. Also he wanted the paycheck which he knew he wouldn't get if he bailed.

 

As the cutter steamed away, he decided to have at some of the rum on board to relax from his harrowing experience and figured a good buzz would let him sleep and recharge and then get back under way. Didn't take long for the rum to do its thing and he had nodded off to a well deserved rest when the CG RIB was back alongside after they must have checked in with the home office and were told they couldn't really just leave the guy out there alone under those circumstances. The boarding party saw the empty bottle and noted his obvious drunken stupor and assumed that he had been drunk the whole time and somehow that made him responsible for the owners death! The poor kid freaked and said that he was sober as a judge until they left him and they finally saw the logic behind that. The weather had further improved and after being provided with some hot grub from the cutter it was decided that he would continue with the trip. The skip gave the CG the contact info for the widow and decided that he would come to the homeport of the cutter instead of taking any chances with the next Cape.

 

Took him a day and change to get in and was given a space at the CG dock and a shower and meal as well. He had to fill out a lot of paperwork and such and then he asked the officer in charge how the widow had taken the news. To his shock, the officer pushed the phone across the deck to him and said that they figured they would let him have the honors! The skip just said that he was going to his boat and have a couple more stiff drinks before he could bring himself to make the call and the Coasty agreed. The widow wanted the boat to be brought to the original destination since she would be listing it and selling it. She didn't seem that upset over loosing her husband and it was obvious that she hated the boat.

 

A couple more days to complete the trip and fulfill his end of the bargain and after the widow came down to the boat in her local harbor, then she got all indignant and refused to pay the skipper and implied that her lawyers would be holding him responsible and even had a report from the CG about his 'excessive drinking' during the voyage! I think the our intrepid delivery skipper found a new career after that nightmare.

 

I told him he should have filed a workmans lien against the boat, but he couldn't get away from it fast enough...

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I'd buy that one that kept on beating me over the line.....but it's illegal to arrange the hit

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There was a boat for sale (Los Angeles IIRC) a while back, and the owners were duped into a joy ride. They were tied up and tossed over with the anchor while still alive. In that case I would not buy the boat, it would keep me awake at night.

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what are the odds on it happening twice? Kind of like flying after being in a plane crash - the odds on a repeat are incalculably small.

I'm sure Lee Trevino though the same thing on the second and third time he was struck by lighting... :)

 

buy the boat cheap. put a slick name on it and sail the shit out of it and slay the competition... Worst case...you'd have one helluva bar story...

 

The Locker

Flat Line

CSI

Code 187

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My instant reaction was, Yes, if the price is right. However, on reflection, I then had visions of waking at night to hear footsteps pacing the deck above my head. Going up on deck, to find the departed skipper standing watch. Perhaps with his decapitated, dripping head clasped firmly under his arm.

 

How did he die?

 

Really need more information to give you useful guidance in this matter.

 

 

 

Brian

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My instant reaction was, Yes, if the price is right. However, on reflection, I then had visions of waking at night to hear footsteps pacing the deck above my head. Going up on deck, to find the departed skipper standing watch. Perhaps with his decapitated, dripping head clasped firmly under his arm.

How did he die?

Really need more information to give you useful guidance in this matter.

Brian

See post 10.

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You did not supply enough details. A notorious and grizzly murder on a 50 meter luxury charter boat would have a different effect on value than a murder on a small one design (I have barely escaped the latter fate as both victim and perpetrator). More importantly, was the owner the victim or the perpetrator, or was this a crew-crew, crew-invitee or invitee-invitee situation? Owner involvement, either way, would probably cost 20% on the 50 meter unless the owner was a cultural icon, 5% on the one design unless everyone in the fleet figured the bastard had it coming. Even more importantly, is there the slightest possibility that the boat might be considered a crime or insurance scene and cost you loss of use-if so, forget it, don't buy the boat.

 

And finally, is the victim still aboard?

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That's a tough one and im not sure which way I would go in that situation.

My situation was a little different but I'll share it anyway

 

Two years ago I let my friend stay on my boat while he was having a rough patch with his wife. Sadly we had no idea how tough things where until it was too late and he took his own life in my cabin onboard.

 

Two days after I found him we had a boat race, so we set the flag to half mast put the wash boards in and sailed the shit out of the boat 2 handed. It was one of the rear occasions we got a handicap win.

 

I took that win as a sign to keep the boat. So we re varnished re carpeted re painted re squabed and had a blessing service followed by a huge party, which my girlfriend and I got insanely drunk and stayed on board for the night.

 

Much to our delight & surprise a few weeks after the party we found out we where having a baby! (drinking for the win!)

Now when ever I think of my friend I smile. Seeing my little boy grow up with the boat as a big part of our lives is quite special.

 

I would want to know more history of the owner and the situation before signing on the line. That said if you do go ahead I highly recommend a blessing and a party!

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it totally depends on how much cheaper it is and is that enough for you to buy, there a local boat which the owner was murdered, but they never found the body, but someone had attempted to sink it and it was covered in blood, the wife is in prison for it but says she didn't do it, and there was another set of prints found aboard, so slim chance the murderer is still out there. anyway 5 yrs on the boat is still sitting on the mooring unused and you kind of wonder if it was sold what would it be worth.

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This reminds me of a 911 going cheap because the owner was a drug dealer and had been killed in the car. Blood in the car and bullet holes through the doors :o

It was going for about 25% of the normal price and was sold before I got to look at it.

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Mythbusters did the "cheap Corvette because a dead body was in it and no once can get the smell out" myth once. You can get the smell out, but it isn't easy and you have to replace most of the interior pieces.

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I get to screw Nicole Kidman?

 

This place has gone to shit. You post that without a picture? One of the best while least realistic scenes ever.

 

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A notorious and grizzly murder on a 50 meter luxury charter boat would have a different effect on value than a murder on a small one design ....

 

And finally, is the victim still aboard?

Fuck the victim -- is the bear still aboard?!?

 

I have one rule -- simple rule, never let me down: No bears on the boat.

 

No bears. No exceptions.

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I get to screw Nicole Kidman?

 

This place has gone to shit. You post that without a picture? One of the best while least realistic scenes ever.

 

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Redhead has passionate sex with man. Some minutes later, she clubs him across the nose with a fire extinguisher.

 

Dunno, KDH. Sounds realistic to me. Sounds exactly like my life. :ph34r:

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OK - being serious now - the surviving wife likely needs the money and the deceased husband will likely want his boat to sail again and his wife to be helped. I see no bad karma issues here.

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I am in boat looking mode - without getting specific - would buy a boat whose owner was murdered on?

 

It depends... What's it rate?

that's the proper response

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I feel I need to make the bad pun after reading this thread. The boat will ghost in light heirs.

 

I might be more metaphysical than most but I would cleanse the boat with sage, peppermint and reset boat's soul. Would relaunch with new paint, change the name while making offering to Poseidon, sharing plentiful libations and erasing the bad juju that befell her old owner.

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There was a boat for sale (Los Angeles IIRC) a while back, and the owners were duped into a joy ride. They were tied up and tossed over with the anchor while still alive. In that case I would not buy the boat, it would keep me awake at night.

I think I remember that. The perpetrator had "acted" in the Power Rangers TV show or some such. Very nasty.

 

Black Jack - "The boat will ghost in light heirs." you made rum come out of my nose. missed the keyboard though.

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Who would buy a boat without a Stabbin Cabin ?? :o:lol::lol::lol::lol:

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Holy shit , I was on that boat as Zobie (Bison) brought the cat , I helped him fit it out for the trip. Such an intresting story, I can't believe it's not a movie yet. The guy had no idea about boats. There is way more to the bazaar story than there is to read about.

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Harder when there is a face to it...

 

http://goo.gl/Z5WjsP

 

 

2008?

 

What's been happening to the boat since, and where is it?

 

 

Vanished really, I have tried numbers and emails and get no replies..

 

http://www.southerncross-boats.org/SCbrochure39.pdf

 

EDIT: I did a lookup on soldboats and checked photos from ad - she sold in 2011 - name change to Kwiana

 

Mystery solved - time to move on. (for me, always more boats)

 

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Buy it and have a spirit chasing away ceremony of your choice, whatever agrees with your beliefs. An amigo bought a murder-suicide house and had it cleansed, he said it was haunted before, it seemed fine to me after except for the bullet divits in the concrete floors. He saved a hundred grand.

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Years ago, back in my Yacht Brokering days, I listed a boat that had been repossessed by a bank and then seized by the harbormaster for several months worth of back mooring fees (it was more complicated than that, but the harbor ended up owning the boat). It was a smaller, older sailboat that wasn't worth much, but it was always a good idea to stay on the right side of the local harbormasters.

 

After a couple of months I got an offer and did the sea trial. While talking about surveyors and boatyards with the seller, I found out that the previous owner of the boat had died on board the boat while doing a bit of auto-erotic asphyxiation! :o

 

 

Though real estate brokers are required to disclose that sort of history, yacht brokers are not, so I never did tell the buyer.

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