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VOR 2014-2015 - Leg 2

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Now that Leg 1 is wrapped up, what happens for Leg 2? Does ADOR continue to build on their momentum? Does Vestas figure out their boatspeed and match ADOR and DF? Does Dongfeng manage not to break anything? Will it be another crapshoot between Brunel, DF, and ADOR, or will mapfre, Alvimedica, and SCA get their shit together?

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Already? Are you kidding? How long is this race again?

 

Dee is going to be on the next leg. Who would have thought it?

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I'm anxious for them to post the Leg 2 SI so we can see if they have a big exclusion zone in the piracy region.

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Already? Are you kidding? How long is this race again?

 

Dee is going to be on the next leg. Who would have thought it?

So who gets dropped to make space for Dee?

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I would hardly call leg 1 wrapped up...

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I'm anxious for them to post the Leg 2 SI so we can see if they have a big exclusion zone in the piracy region.

I'm guessing that they will have to sail through the Maledives and then up the Indian Coast before making turn to the West into the Straits of Hormuz.

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I would hardly call leg 1 wrapped up...

 

Over half the fleet is finished, Alvi looks pretty safe in 5th, the only race now is for DFL...

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Over half the fleet has finished? There are only 5 boats in this race? Not fair to Mapfre and SCA is it?

 

WetHog :ph34r:

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I would hardly call leg 1 wrapped up...

 

Over half the fleet is finished, Alvi looks pretty safe in 5th, the only race now is for DFL...

And I'd be surprised if SCA can find a passing lane.

 

But, I still keep checking in. I find it interesting, sometimes even compelling watching the boats on the course working the systems. Not sure why, but I do.

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I would hardly call leg 1 wrapped up...

 

Over half the fleet is finished, Alvi looks pretty safe in 5th, the only race now is for DFL...

And I'd be surprised if SCA can find a passing lane.

 

But, I still keep checking in. I find it interesting, sometimes even compelling watching the boats on the course working the systems. Not sure why, but I do.

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...was going to comment,,but it would be leg one material,,woudn't it :mellow:

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I'm anxious for them to post the Leg 2 SI so we can see if they have a big exclusion zone in the piracy region.

I'm guessing that they will have to sail through the Maledives and then up the Indian Coast before making turn to the West into the Straits of Hormuz.

 

That's going to give the Navigators an extra headache - trying to do match racing through all the atolls of the Maldives without parking it.

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I'm anxious for them to post the Leg 2 SI so we can see if they have a big exclusion zone in the piracy region.

I'm guessing that they will have to sail through the Maledives and then up the Indian Coast before making turn to the West into the Straits of Hormuz.

 

That's going to give the Navigators an extra headache - trying to do match racing through all the atolls of the Maldives without parking it.

They'll have a big exclusion zone keeping the Teams (Boats) as far away as they can from the Somalian Coast (200-250 nm...that's my guess)

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Lots of funky wind on leg 2, not a lot of historical info from past racing through to AD. Lets hope we get some more of the close racing and that SCA and Mapfre can make a comeback.

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Last time they chartered a freighter; any guesses this time they'll have some armed escorts standing by?

 

Maybe something like the Spanish warship that visited the fleet off Africa on leg 1?

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Last time they chartered a freighter; any guesses this time they'll have some armed escorts standing by?

 

Maybe something like the Spanish warship that visited the fleet off Africa on leg 1?

No freighter this time around. They already said that....

 

See here

 

http://www.yacht.de/sport/volvo_ocean_race/in-grossem-bogen-um-die-piraten/a92105.html

 

This is coming from Tom Touber. You'll need Google Translation for reading though.

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No freighter this time around. They already said that....

 

See here

 

http://www.yacht.de/sport/volvo_ocean_race/in-grossem-bogen-um-die-piraten/a92105.html

 

This is coming from Tom Touber. You'll need Google Translation for reading though.

 

Thanks for that link.

 

Interesting that the google translation reinforces the idea of "waypoints relatively far from the coast"

 

The previous world regatta had been interrupted because of acute danger of piracy in the Indian Ocean. A freighter took the yachts to a previously agreed-way point on board and put them just before the stage harbor again.

Volvo Ocean Race
© Sander van den Borch / VOR
Tom Touber, senior managing director of Volvo Ocean Race SLU
This temporary solution this time is to be avoided - the pirates are no longer as active as three years ago in the sea area by far. The Dutchman Touber who has also coached both for participants and for the organizers five races as a manager in the country, declared that they would require the passage of waypoints relatively far from the coast. The exact route will be determined only at the stopover in Cape Town in mid-November.

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No freighter this time around. They already said that....

 

See here

 

http://www.yacht.de/sport/volvo_ocean_race/in-grossem-bogen-um-die-piraten/a92105.html

 

This is coming from Tom Touber. You'll need Google Translation for reading though.

 

Thanks for that link.

 

Interesting that the google translation reinforces the idea of "waypoints relatively far from the coast"

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The previous world regatta had been interrupted because of acute danger of piracy in the Indian Ocean. A freighter took the yachts to a previously agreed-way point on board and put them just before the stage harbor again.

Volvo Ocean Race
© Sander van den Borch / VOR
Tom Touber, senior managing director of Volvo Ocean Race SLU
This temporary solution this time is to be avoided - the pirates are no longer as active as three years ago in the sea area by far. The Dutchman Touber who has also coached both for participants and for the organizers five races as a manager in the country, declared that they would require the passage of waypoints relatively far from the coast. The exact route will be determined only at the stopover in Cape Town in mid-November.

 

That means as I guessed probably 150-200 nm away from the somalian coastline. The coastline is famous for its piracies.

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Looking at current Ugrib files, it looks like leg two can be divided into five parts.

 

1/ The run from the start up to the southern edge of Madagascar, depending on the weather patterns after the start there could some strong SE to SW winds.

 

2/ The run up to the Indian Ocean doldrums should be under SE trades

 

3/ The doldrums, which appear to be a lot narrower than the Atlantic ones, a good chance for a quick transition here.

 

4/ NE trades up into the Gulf

 

5/ Variable land breezes through the Gulf and down to the finish

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Leg 2 is going to drive the navigators and skippers to the brink.

 

It doesn't look like you'd want to get too close to Madagascar as it throws a decent wind shadow to it's south east.

 

Depending on the position of the Indian Ocean High you may see teams leaving Reunion and Mauritus to port as the equitorial doldrums look narrowest between the maldives and a line directly south from Sri Lanka... so if you've got to get east then do it whilst you've got the breeze in the south. In any case they'll likely leave the Seychelles to port as there isn't any wind in there anyway... the only way you can operate as a pirate in an open skiff 400nm from the coast is if it is predominantly calm and flat conditions... great for piracy, poor for sailing fast.

 

As they enter the Arabian Sea they'll most likely be closer to India than Oman for consistent breeze - and I'd certainly want at least 600nm of open water between myself and the Gulf of Aden, Somali, and Yemeni coastlines if I had a choice.

 

Entering the Gulf of Oman there's typically better breeze to be had in the North toward the Iranian coast.... though then you've got to roll the dice with the Iranian Navy so you may see teams cut the corner on the Muscat side... at best they can hope for consistent northerlies for a fast tight reach without becoming embroiled in the usual three way in that region between the Iranian Navy, the Omani Coast Guard and the US Fleet. It's one thing to go 'lights out' on a forty footer racing through these parts at night and quite another to be racing in this fleet. There will be serious nerves on all sides as shipping lanes, increasing tides, lack of wind, and three very short tempered naval fleets all get layered over the top of the race.

 

Tides and shipping lanes will play a huge role through the Strait of Hormuz. Here Iran will enforce its maritime boundaries, though it would be surprising if they did so to the point of boarding and impounding vessels and arresting teams as they have done to sailing vessels in the region many times (most relevantly in 2009) Get the wind and the tide wrong and you're going in the wrong direction at 5 knots at best, at worst you're in a whirlpool and on the rocks of the Musandam Peninsula.

 

Down the UAE coast in the Arabian Gulf, you'll want to be 10+ miles off the coast to avoid the local fishing and shipping traffic, the proliferation of nets, and all sorts of man made navigational hazards but you'll also want to stick within 50nm otherwise things get testy with the politics again especially around the islands like Abu Musa. Best hope here is for a nor'wester 'shamal' wind to blow them home on a broad reach.

 

They better get some sleep in Cape Town because it'll be 4000nm of snakes and ladders to Abu Dhabi!

 

Volvo need to call Stan Honey and get him to work up a 'live line' representation of the geo-political boundaries and shipping lanes for the last thousand or so miles. It's going to get interesting...

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Volvo need to call Stan Honey and get him to work up a 'live line' representation of the geo-political boundaries and shipping lanes for the last thousand or so miles. It's going to get interesting...

 

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This would be cool.

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Armed escort sounds most entertaining and given the fleet compression, maybe even feasible.

 

On the other hand... the way they are scrimping on the cost of the media feed, how the F can they afford a VOR Navy?

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Volvo need to call Stan Honey and get him to work up a 'live line' representation of the geo-political boundaries and shipping lanes for the last thousand or so miles. It's going to get interesting...

 

/\ /\

 

This would be cool.

Man, I'd love this. Stan Honeys AC Live Line was fantastic.

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Just noticed a couple things in the NOR:

 

http://www.volvooceanrace.com/static/assets/content_v2/media/files/m27801_notice-of-race-inc-amdt-8-20141007.pdf

 

NOR 30.1.4 already says that Mauritius, the Maldives, and a TBD waypoint in the Indian Ocean must all be left to Port. So at least we know that much.

 

Eventually, they'll post the details in the SI, which I'm guessing will be posted after the Skipper's meeting, which per the below amendment was moved to November 12:

 

http://www.volvooceanrace.com/static/assets/content_v2/media/files/m30189_notice-of-race-amendment-9-20141107.pdf

 

When they post the Leg 2 SI, it'll be here:

 

http://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/noticeboard.html

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So if they have to leave the Maldives (at roughly 01S 74E) to Port that potentially throws in options to deal with the Indian Ocean High which is currently hovering around 35S 75E...

 

Cut the corner and sail on the western side of the low passing Mauritius and potentially slog upwind until the wind frees up to the SE trades, or dive south, plug into a low and ride it east till you can slingshot round the eastern side of the high pressure with downwind angles all the way to the convergence zone just south of the Maldives.

 

Any early bets? Can the long road pay off?

 

This should make for some interesting weather analysis to come! These navigators are really earning their money this go round...

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Armed escort sounds most entertaining and given the fleet compression, maybe even feasible.

 

On the other hand... the way they are scrimping on the cost of the media feed, how the F can they afford a VOR Navy?

 

This was discussed as a possibility last time around. Apparently one of the stumbling blocks was finding an escort vessel that could keep up. Assuming a nuclear cruiser is out of budget, we're talking most likely smaller destroyers or patrol boats, many of which tap out at 25-30 knots, and don't have anywhere near the fuel capacity to sustain that speed for days on end. If the fleet got a big following wind for more than a few days in a row, they'd be on their own until their escort could resupply (again, expensive) and catch up.

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So if they have to leave the Maldives (at roughly 01S 74E) to Port that potentially throws in options to deal with the Indian Ocean High which is currently hovering around 35S 75E...

 

Cut the corner and sail on the western side of the low passing Mauritius and potentially slog upwind until the wind frees up to the SE trades, or dive south, plug into a low and ride it east till you can slingshot round the eastern side of the high pressure with downwind angles all the way to the convergence zone just south of the Maldives.

 

Any early bets? Can the long road pay off?

 

This should make for some interesting weather analysis to come! These navigators are really earning their money this go round...

The VORG is a good insight into how some way out routes work or don't work, I remember one boat taking the long way around, it failed miserably. Last time I was following Zezo routing to Abu Dhabi, generally up the middle, the winning boat went a little west of the Zezo routing for a win.

 

Navigating through the Maldives will be a pain, lots of small cays and islets..

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If they have to leave all of the Maldives to port then they'll be up to 07N 73E before they can crack off to the north west. That's more than 1300 nautical miles from the Somali coast line (and only 230nm from the tip of India for perspective).

 

Even if they take the rhumb line direct to Muscat they've got very healthy separation from the Gulf of Aden, and the worst you'll get once in the Gulf of Oman are opportunistic fisherman and smugglers on the run to/from Iran that range from very friendly through to 'actively inquisitive' though nothing much more than a winch handle over the knuckles can't dissuade if they grab a lifeline to hop on board or hold alongside. I'm sure the Omani Coast Guard and Royal Navy of Oman will be out in force to keep the peace with the local fishermen.

 

Iran is the bigger issue at hand depending on the favoured side of the course in the approach and departure of the Strait of Hormuz.

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If they have to leave all of the Maldives to port then they'll be up to 07N 73E before they can crack off to the north west. That's more than 1300 nautical miles from the Somali coast line (and only 230nm from the tip of India for perspective).

 

Even if they take the rhumb line direct to Muscat they've got very healthy separation from the Gulf of Aden, and the worst you'll get once in the Gulf of Oman are opportunistic fisherman and smugglers on the run to/from Iran that range from very friendly through to 'actively inquisitive' though nothing much more than a winch handle over the knuckles can't dissuade if they grab a lifeline to hop on board or hold alongside. I'm sure the Omani Coast Guard and Royal Navy of Oman will be out in force to keep the peace with the local fishermen.

 

Iran is the bigger issue at hand depending on the favoured side of the course in the approach and departure of the Strait of Hormuz.

 

I've sailed up and down the coast around Muscat and up round Musandam through the Strait a few times and not once have we encountered opportunistic fishermen though we have seen the smugglers flying past on their skiffs.

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If they have to leave all of the Maldives to port then they'll be up to 07N 73E before they can crack off to the north west. That's more than 1300 nautical miles from the Somali coast line (and only 230nm from the tip of India for perspective).

 

Even if they take the rhumb line direct to Muscat they've got very healthy separation from the Gulf of Aden, and the worst you'll get once in the Gulf of Oman are opportunistic fisherman and smugglers on the run to/from Iran that range from very friendly through to 'actively inquisitive' though nothing much more than a winch handle over the knuckles can't dissuade if they grab a lifeline to hop on board or hold alongside. I'm sure the Omani Coast Guard and Royal Navy of Oman will be out in force to keep the peace with the local fishermen.

 

Iran is the bigger issue at hand depending on the favoured side of the course in the approach and departure of the Strait of Hormuz.

I've sailed up and down the coast around Muscat and up round Musandam through the Strait a few times and not once have we encountered opportunistic fishermen though we have seen the smugglers flying past on their skiffs.

Only happened to me once... Right on sunrise they came in quick and very keen to get on board and made it pretty clear they wanted our cash among other things. I made it clear that wasn't going to happen. Followed us at a distance for a few miles before dropping off and heading inshore toward Suhar. The fleets of smugglers were always friendly as they had better places to be... it's not the norm or really worth considering vs other issues to consider in the area. Just a it of local colour.

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If they have to leave all of the Maldives to port then they'll be up to 07N 73E before they can crack off to the north west. That's more than 1300 nautical miles from the Somali coast line (and only 230nm from the tip of India for perspective).

 

Even if they take the rhumb line direct to Muscat they've got very healthy separation from the Gulf of Aden, and the worst you'll get once in the Gulf of Oman are opportunistic fisherman and smugglers on the run to/from Iran that range from very friendly through to 'actively inquisitive' though nothing much more than a winch handle over the knuckles can't dissuade if they grab a lifeline to hop on board or hold alongside. I'm sure the Omani Coast Guard and Royal Navy of Oman will be out in force to keep the peace with the local fishermen.

 

Iran is the bigger issue at hand depending on the favoured side of the course in the approach and departure of the Strait of Hormuz.

I've sailed up and down the coast around Muscat and up round Musandam through the Strait a few times and not once have we encountered opportunistic fishermen though we have seen the smugglers flying past on their skiffs.

Only happened to me once... Right on sunrise they came in quick and very keen to get on board and made it pretty clear they wanted our cash among other things. I made it clear that wasn't going to happen. Followed us at a distance for a few miles before dropping off and heading inshore toward Suhar. The fleets of smugglers were always friendly as they had better places to be... it's not the norm or really worth considering vs other issues to consider in the area. Just a it of local colour.

Most of the locals would shit their pants if they saw 65' of female crew coming at them at 19 knots!

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Key crew decisions for @desafiomapfre as Nélias joins for Leg 2 while Desjoyeaux and Lunven leave. http://bit.ly/mapfre-changes #VOR

I guess Nico leaving will be permanent, but I am sure Mich will be back...(edit) maybe not

CAPE TOWN, November 10 – Jean-Luc Nélias, the man who helped mastermind Groupama’s win in the last Volvo Ocean Race, will take over as navigator for Spanish boat MAPFRE for the second leg of this edition, starting on November 19.

Nélias (FRA) was also navigator for Franck Cammas’s winning crew in 2011-12. He replaces Nico Lunven (FRA) in the MAPFRE crew that finished seventh in the opening leg from Alicante, Spain to Cape Town on Friday (November 7). Nélias had already been working with MAPFRE as a weather analyst.

The team also announced that Michel Desjoyeaux (FRA), the twice Vendée Globe winner on board for the first leg, will not be sailing any further stages in the 2014-15 race but remains available to assist the team from on-shore.

MAPFRE emphasised that it was never planned for Desjoyeaux to sail the entire race.

Desjoyeaux told Volvo Ocean Race: "The decision (for me) to no longer sail on board MAPFRE was taken by the team and me. They are not easy decisions to take but it’s also part of the life of a team. Even if I’m no longer sailing, I’ve not wasted my time. MAPFRE is a great team with really good guys on board."

His replacement will be announced in the next few days, the team added.

The team said their one-design Volvo Ocean 65 boat had arrived in Cape Town generally in good shape despite some relatively minor problems with the engine, batteries and other small breakages.

In all, MAPFRE sailed a total of 8,525 nautical miles (nm) and would have secured sixth spot on Friday had they not ran into an almost windless area under Table Mountain shortly before the finish. Team SCA took advantage to sail in on a more favoured course and snatched sixth instead.

The Spanish boat will be back in the water on Tuesday (November 11), preparing for the Cape Town in-port race on Saturday, November 14.

The seven-strong fleet departs for Abu Dhabi, a distance of 6,125nm, on Wednesday, November 19.

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Key crew decisions for @desafiomapfre as Nélias joins for Leg 2 while Desjoyeaux and Lunven leave. http://bit.ly/mapfre-changes #VOR

I guess Nico leaving will be permanent, but I am sure Mich will be back...(edit) maybe not

CAPE TOWN, November 10 – Jean-Luc Nélias, the man who helped mastermind Groupama’s win in the last Volvo Ocean Race, will take over as navigator for Spanish boat MAPFRE for the second leg of this edition, starting on November 19.

Nélias (FRA) was also navigator for Franck Cammas’s winning crew in 2011-12. He replaces Nico Lunven (FRA) in the MAPFRE crew that finished seventh in the opening leg from Alicante, Spain to Cape Town on Friday (November 7). Nélias had already been working with MAPFRE as a weather analyst.

The team also announced that Michel Desjoyeaux (FRA), the twice Vendée Globe winner on board for the first leg, will not be sailing any further stages in the 2014-15 race but remains available to assist the team from on-shore.

MAPFRE emphasised that it was never planned for Desjoyeaux to sail the entire race.

Desjoyeaux told Volvo Ocean Race: "The decision (for me) to no longer sail on board MAPFRE was taken by the team and me. They are not easy decisions to take but it’s also part of the life of a team. Even if I’m no longer sailing, I’ve not wasted my time. MAPFRE is a great team with really good guys on board."

His replacement will be announced in the next few days, the team added.

The team said their one-design Volvo Ocean 65 boat had arrived in Cape Town generally in good shape despite some relatively minor problems with the engine, batteries and other small breakages.

In all, MAPFRE sailed a total of 8,525 nautical miles (nm) and would have secured sixth spot on Friday had they not ran into an almost windless area under Table Mountain shortly before the finish. Team SCA took advantage to sail in on a more favoured course and snatched sixth instead.

The Spanish boat will be back in the water on Tuesday (November 11), preparing for the Cape Town in-port race on Saturday, November 14.

The seven-strong fleet departs for Abu Dhabi, a distance of 6,125nm, on Wednesday, November 19.

LOL, Mapfre...they're not going to come back from that kind of deficit I think. Nelias only sailed Leg 2 of the VOR 2011/2012 until that secret Port in the Maledives....this time all sailing the Full Leg so nothing to be gained for the Spanish Team here.

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but I am sure Mich will be back...(edit) maybe not

 

Maybe not.

 

"Thanks, but no thanks"?

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Oh, an interesting to revisit this interview with Stan Honey from 2011, and it's application this time where the navigators have to be spending time on deck.

 

 

**How did you get hooked up with Groupama in the first place?

**It’s interesting, I asked (skipper) Franck Cammas the same question: “Why did you ask an American guy to navigate? Every sailor in France is a navigator, and they’re all fabulous.” And his answer was: He wanted a guy that was going to try and get it perfect. And that’s one thing about French navigators, which I understand having raced shorthanded myself, is that you can’t navigate the way you’d navigate a Volvo, where you process all the data. You try to adjust it all for risk, and figure out all the probabilities to have a perfect estimate of your own boat’s performance. And every single decision you try to get exactly right.
Whereas the French, and any shorthanded sailor knows, you have triage: You’ve got to navigate, you’ve got to do some steering, you have to change sails, you have to trim. So the way you navigate is you take a look at the data and then you have to jump by gestalt into the right answer because you don’t have the time to figure it out rigorously the way you’d do it in a Volvo. Franck knows that many of the French sailors will try to get a 95% solution, and then they’ll want do some trimming, they’ll want to do some steering.
Franck already had nine of the best multihull guys on the planet, and I was the only one on the boat whose full-time job was to focus all my energies on making sure we were in all the right places. With my limited ability to steer and trim, I wasn’t going to add much there. I think he wanted to do a round-the-world record attempt with a Volvo level of attention to the navigation decisions.

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the body language from Desjoyeaux in the second half of the leg 1 videos was hinting to this outcome. He was not even on deck when the boat arrived to dock in Cape Town (maybe downstairs packing already?). It was anyhow a very risky decision to put on board a strong personality like him with Iker, a couple that never sailed together before. Specially with the limited time to prepare that they had.

 

Lunven is potentially the scapegoat of the leg... we'll see how long Nelias manages to stay on board.

 

Now, who will be skipper when Iker misses a leg due to the Nacra commitments? Xabi Fernandez??

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ha, some additional insights from spanish journalist Pedro Sardina. Here a quick and dirty translation:

 

- Desj is leaving due to not agreeing with Iker in the tactical decisions. Also the sacking of Lunven and the blaming him for all poor tactical decisions in the leg was not well taken by Desj (Lunven came on board through him). Apptly there were continuous discussions on board on all major decisions. Lunven's opinion was very often not listened to. A quite unbearable atmosphere on boad according to Sardina. Last but not leat was the decision to go closer to the coast that cost them finishing last, which was Iker's decision despite Desj's opinion. (maybe the reason Desj was not on deck upon arrival?)

 

here the link to the news article:

http://www.abc.es/vela/noticia/desjoyeaux-se-baja-del-mapfre-por-desacuerdos-con-iker/

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ha, some additional insights from spanish journalist Pedro Sardina. Here a quick and dirty translation:

 

- Desj is leaving due to not agreeing with Iker in the tactical decisions. Also the sacking of Lunven and the blaming him for all poor tactical decisions in the leg was not well taken by Desj (Lunven came on board through him). Apptly there were continuous discussions on board on all major decisions. Lunven's opinion was very often not listened to. A quite unbearable atmosphere on boad according to Sardina. Last but not leat was the decision to go closer to the coast that cost them finishing last, which was Iker's decision despite Desj's opinion. (maybe the reason Desj was not on deck upon arrival?)

 

here the link to the news article:

http://www.abc.es/vela/noticia/desjoyeaux-se-baja-del-mapfre-por-desacuerdos-con-iker/

I guess this is Desj view of the situation. Otherwise it really sounds like a sinking ship - all the `good guys` are leaving now.

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Key crew decisions for @desafiomapfre as Nélias joins for Leg 2 while Desjoyeaux and Lunven leave. http://bit.ly/mapfre-changes #VOR

 

I guess Nico leaving will be permanent, but I am sure Mich will be back...(edit) maybe not

CAPE TOWN, November 10 – Jean-Luc Nélias, the man who helped mastermind Groupama’s win in the last Volvo Ocean Race, will take over as navigator for Spanish boat MAPFRE for the second leg of this edition, starting on November 19.

Nélias (FRA) was also navigator for Franck Cammas’s winning crew in 2011-12. He replaces Nico Lunven (FRA) in the MAPFRE crew that finished seventh in the opening leg from Alicante, Spain to Cape Town on Friday (November 7). Nélias had already been working with MAPFRE as a weather analyst.

The team also announced that Michel Desjoyeaux (FRA), the twice Vendée Globe winner on board for the first leg, will not be sailing any further stages in the 2014-15 race but remains available to assist the team from on-shore.

MAPFRE emphasised that it was never planned for Desjoyeaux to sail the entire race.

Desjoyeaux told Volvo Ocean Race: "The decision (for me) to no longer sail on board MAPFRE was taken by the team and me. They are not easy decisions to take but it’s also part of the life of a team. Even if I’m no longer sailing, I’ve not wasted my time. MAPFRE is a great team with really good guys on board."

His replacement will be announced in the next few days, the team added.

The team said their one-design Volvo Ocean 65 boat had arrived in Cape Town generally in good shape despite some relatively minor problems with the engine, batteries and other small breakages.

In all, MAPFRE sailed a total of 8,525 nautical miles (nm) and would have secured sixth spot on Friday had they not ran into an almost windless area under Table Mountain shortly before the finish. Team SCA took advantage to sail in on a more favoured course and snatched sixth instead.

The Spanish boat will be back in the water on Tuesday (November 11), preparing for the Cape Town in-port race on Saturday, November 14.

The seven-strong fleet departs for Abu Dhabi, a distance of 6,125nm, on Wednesday, November 19.

Clean. Would you call these rolling heads or just a misunderstanding? Must have been an idjit that guessed this one.

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Only happened to me once... Right on sunrise they came in quick and very keen to get on board and made it pretty clear they wanted our cash among other things. I made it clear that wasn't going to happen. Followed us at a distance for a few miles before dropping off and heading inshore toward Suhar. The fleets of smugglers were always friendly as they had better places to be... it's not the norm or really worth considering vs other issues to consider in the area. Just a it of local colour.

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.....wow,,sounds like things could easily have had a different outcome--a good place to avoid ,no?

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Oh, an interesting to revisit this interview with Stan Honey from 2011, and it's application this time where the navigators have to be spending time on deck.

 

 

**How did you get hooked up with Groupama in the first place?

**It’s interesting, I asked (skipper) Franck Cammas the same question: “Why did you ask an American guy to navigate? Every sailor in France is a navigator, and they’re all fabulous.” And his answer was: He wanted a guy that was going to try and get it perfect. And that’s one thing about French navigators, which I understand having raced shorthanded myself, is that you can’t navigate the way you’d navigate a Volvo, where you process all the data. You try to adjust it all for risk, and figure out all the probabilities to have a perfect estimate of your own boat’s performance. And every single decision you try to get exactly right.
Whereas the French, and any shorthanded sailor knows, you have triage: You’ve got to navigate, you’ve got to do some steering, you have to change sails, you have to trim. So the way you navigate is you take a look at the data and then you have to jump by gestalt into the right answer because you don’t have the time to figure it out rigorously the way you’d do it in a Volvo. Franck knows that many of the French sailors will try to get a 95% solution, and then they’ll want do some trimming, they’ll want to do some steering.
Franck already had nine of the best multihull guys on the planet, and I was the only one on the boat whose full-time job was to focus all my energies on making sure we were in all the right places. With my limited ability to steer and trim, I wasn’t going to add much there. I think he wanted to do a round-the-world record attempt with a Volvo level of attention to the navigation decisions.

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.....very telling....nice find,thanks

 

Clean. Would you call these rolling heads or just a misunderstanding? Must have been an idjit that guessed this one.

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...heh,,,they were simply trying to cleanup some superfluous comma's :rolleyes:;)

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Checking the various piracy sites it looks like 2014 has been quieter than past years. I remember at one point the Somali's where pushing all the way to the Indian coast.

 

The question I have does SCA have to put their burkas on before they get to shore? Yes I know Abu dhabi is slightly more relaxed but even things like a husband kissing his wife at the docks or the shorts and tee shirts the girls are wearing In cape town are strictly prohibited. There will probably be some lee way given but not much.

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The question I have does SCA have to put their burkas on before they get to shore? Yes I know Abu dhabi is slightly more relaxed but even things like a husband kissing his wife at the docks or the shorts and tee shirts the girls are wearing In cape town are strictly prohibited. There will probably be some lee way given but not much.

A better question would be are you really this naive or is it just racism?

 

Photos from the Abu Dhabi Sailing and Yacht Club web site:

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A better question would be are you really this naive or is it just racism?

 

Photos from the Abu Dhabi Sailing and Yacht Club web site:

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It isn't racism if it is true. There is one girl wearing shorts in that picture the other two are wearing capris or long pants. One of the girls is wearing long sleeves. Do you really think it is cool enough to wear long sleeves and long pants there? She looks very warm.

Abu Dhabi is a modern modern metropolis where designer fashion brands are plenty in the shops and malls, but the occasions where they are worn needs to be appropriate. Short, revealing or tight clothing is considered disrespectful. Abu Dhabi is an Islamic country and clothing should be modest. Residents and visitors are advised to respect the Emirati culture and customs by not wearing excessively revealing clothing in public places. It is disrespectful for men and women to uncover shoulders and knees when in public. Tight or revealing tops and short skirts or dresses are not advised. Beachwear is acceptable at beach clubs, hotels and public beaches but swimmers should avoid excessively revealing swimming suits.

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Key crew decisions for @desafiomapfre as Nélias joins for Leg 2 while Desjoyeaux and Lunven leave. http://bit.ly/mapfre-changes #VOR

I guess Nico leaving will be permanent, but I am sure Mich will be back...(edit) maybe not

CAPE TOWN, November 10 – Jean-Luc Nélias, the man who helped mastermind Groupama’s win in the last Volvo Ocean Race, will take over as navigator for Spanish boat MAPFRE for the second leg of this edition, starting on November 19.

Nélias (FRA) was also navigator for Franck Cammas’s winning crew in 2011-12. He replaces Nico Lunven (FRA) in the MAPFRE crew that finished seventh in the opening leg from Alicante, Spain to Cape Town on Friday (November 7). Nélias had already been working with MAPFRE as a weather analyst.

The team also announced that Michel Desjoyeaux (FRA), the twice Vendée Globe winner on board for the first leg, will not be sailing any further stages in the 2014-15 race but remains available to assist the team from on-shore.

MAPFRE emphasised that it was never planned for Desjoyeaux to sail the entire race.

Desjoyeaux told Volvo Ocean Race: "The decision (for me) to no longer sail on board MAPFRE was taken by the team and me. They are not easy decisions to take but it’s also part of the life of a team. Even if I’m no longer sailing, I’ve not wasted my time. MAPFRE is a great team with really good guys on board."

His replacement will be announced in the next few days, the team added.

The team said their one-design Volvo Ocean 65 boat had arrived in Cape Town generally in good shape despite some relatively minor problems with the engine, batteries and other small breakages.

In all, MAPFRE sailed a total of 8,525 nautical miles (nm) and would have secured sixth spot on Friday had they not ran into an almost windless area under Table Mountain shortly before the finish. Team SCA took advantage to sail in on a more favoured course and snatched sixth instead.

The Spanish boat will be back in the water on Tuesday (November 11), preparing for the Cape Town in-port race on Saturday, November 14.

The seven-strong fleet departs for Abu Dhabi, a distance of 6,125nm, on Wednesday, November 19.

LOL, Mapfre...they're not going to come back from that kind of deficit I think. Nelias only sailed Leg 2 of the VOR 2011/2012 until that secret Port in the Maledives....this time all sailing the Full Leg so nothing to be gained for the Spanish Team here.

Starting early this time around. Last time it took about half the race before Tele started to fall apart for seemingly no good reason. I would say the wrong person left the boat.

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It would be interesting to see the break up of watches on the different boats.

 

In that Read/Walker interview IW mentions that he & SiFi do full watches and dart downstairs to crunch the numbers when they get the chance. Also mentioned that everyone drives.

 

The boats are just so under staffed they need all the hands on deck they can get. You really need a crew of all rounders.

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Key crew decisions for @desafiomapfre as Nélias joins for Leg 2 while Desjoyeaux and Lunven leave. http://bit.ly/mapfre-changes #VOR

I guess Nico leaving will be permanent, but I am sure Mich will be back...(edit) maybe not

CAPE TOWN, November 10 – Jean-Luc Nélias, the man who helped mastermind Groupama’s win in the last Volvo Ocean Race, will take over as navigator for Spanish boat MAPFRE for the second leg of this edition, starting on November 19.

Nélias (FRA) was also navigator for Franck Cammas’s winning crew in 2011-12. He replaces Nico Lunven (FRA) in the MAPFRE crew that finished seventh in the opening leg from Alicante, Spain to Cape Town on Friday (November 7). Nélias had already been working with MAPFRE as a weather analyst.

The team also announced that Michel Desjoyeaux (FRA), the twice Vendée Globe winner on board for the first leg, will not be sailing any further stages in the 2014-15 race but remains available to assist the team from on-shore.

MAPFRE emphasised that it was never planned for Desjoyeaux to sail the entire race.

Desjoyeaux told Volvo Ocean Race: "The decision (for me) to no longer sail on board MAPFRE was taken by the team and me. They are not easy decisions to take but it’s also part of the life of a team. Even if I’m no longer sailing, I’ve not wasted my time. MAPFRE is a great team with really good guys on board."

His replacement will be announced in the next few days, the team added.

The team said their one-design Volvo Ocean 65 boat had arrived in Cape Town generally in good shape despite some relatively minor problems with the engine, batteries and other small breakages.

In all, MAPFRE sailed a total of 8,525 nautical miles (nm) and would have secured sixth spot on Friday had they not ran into an almost windless area under Table Mountain shortly before the finish. Team SCA took advantage to sail in on a more favoured course and snatched sixth instead.

The Spanish boat will be back in the water on Tuesday (November 11), preparing for the Cape Town in-port race on Saturday, November 14.

The seven-strong fleet departs for Abu Dhabi, a distance of 6,125nm, on Wednesday, November 19.

LOL, Mapfre...they're not going to come back from that kind of deficit I think. Nelias only sailed Leg 2 of the VOR 2011/2012 until that secret Port in the Maledives....this time all sailing the Full Leg so nothing to be gained for the Spanish Team here.

Please be certain that your facts are correct. JLN was aboard Groupama for far more than Leg 2 from CT-Maldives. Rather than speculate about what did or did not happen aboard Mapfre, let us focus on what happens in less than two weeks time, the start of Leg 2. Lastly, as noted multiple times prior to the race start, Pedro Sardina is more of a tabloid journo rather than a journo reporting sports news.

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Pedro Sardina is more of a tabloid journo rather than a journo reporting sports news.

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...krash!..long time no speak--you been busy or something? ;)

 

. .....sensationalizing things?....certainly the impression I got ---definitely time to move on

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Pedro Sardina is more of a tabloid journo rather than a journo reporting sports news.

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...krash!..long time no speak--you been busy or something? ;)

 

. .....sensationalizing things?....certainly the impression I got ---definitely time to move on

 

Agree, Sardina is definitely more a tabloid reporter than anything else and his animosity against Pedro Campos (head of Team Mapfre) and Krash I mean Knut is well documented, but he is also pretty much the only Spanish journalist that gives his opinion, speculative or not. Most others just re-publish the official press releases.

 

On Desj & Iker, Sardina's views must be mostly correct. Two very strong personalities on board do not work well together. Specially if the chain of command is not clearly defined.

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Not sure which thread this should go into, but like this infographic from GAC Pindar about the logisitcis for the race village...simplistic, but clear.

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That's pretty cool but does it mean there is a second village that will go to Abu Dhabi whilst the first goes on to Sanya? Or does Abu Dhabi payroll it's own?

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That's pretty cool but does it mean there is a second village that will go to Abu Dhabi whilst the first goes on to Sanya? Or does Abu Dhabi payroll it's own?

 

the racing boats are too fast and with the build up and down phases it is impossible to bring the village in time to the next stop. So there are two villages (double cost) in the race, and they leap-frog. Abu Dhabi is receiving the one from Alicante, then out to Auckland, China from Cape Town to then Itajai, etc. This is cheaper than air-freighting the whole thing.

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Pedro Sardina is more of a tabloid journo rather than a journo reporting sports news.

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...krash!..long time no speak--you been busy or something? ;)

 

. .....sensationalizing things?....certainly the impression I got ---definitely time to move on

Hello CS. Nice to be back after a long while away. I am not sensationalizing sir, I was simply irritated that Nelias was not given due credit. As for the IM - MD issue, of course there is more to the story, but the nutshell versions that are circulating each have some merit.

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Volvo Ocean Race@volvooceanrace 2m2

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Key crew decisions for @desafiomapfre as Nélias joins for Leg 2 while Desjoyeaux and Lunven leave. http://bit.ly/mapfre-changes #VOR

I guess Nico leaving will be permanent, but I am sure Mich will be back...(edit) maybe not

CAPE TOWN, November 10 Jean-Luc Nélias, the man who helped mastermind Groupamas win in the last Volvo Ocean Race, will take over as navigator for Spanish boat MAPFRE for the second leg of this edition, starting on November 19.

Nélias (FRA) was also navigator for Franck Cammass winning crew in 2011-12. He replaces Nico Lunven (FRA) in the MAPFRE crew that finished seventh in the opening leg from Alicante, Spain to Cape Town on Friday (November 7). Nélias had already been working with MAPFRE as a weather analyst.

The team also announced that Michel Desjoyeaux (FRA), the twice Vendée Globe winner on board for the first leg, will not be sailing any further stages in the 2014-15 race but remains available to assist the team from on-shore.

MAPFRE emphasised that it was never planned for Desjoyeaux to sail the entire race.

Desjoyeaux told Volvo Ocean Race: "The decision (for me) to no longer sail on board MAPFRE was taken by the team and me. They are not easy decisions to take but its also part of the life of a team. Even if Im no longer sailing, Ive not wasted my time. MAPFRE is a great team with really good guys on board."

His replacement will be announced in the next few days, the team added.

The team said their one-design Volvo Ocean 65 boat had arrived in Cape Town generally in good shape despite some relatively minor problems with the engine, batteries and other small breakages.

In all, MAPFRE sailed a total of 8,525 nautical miles (nm) and would have secured sixth spot on Friday had they not ran into an almost windless area under Table Mountain shortly before the finish. Team SCA took advantage to sail in on a more favoured course and snatched sixth instead.

The Spanish boat will be back in the water on Tuesday (November 11), preparing for the Cape Town in-port race on Saturday, November 14.

The seven-strong fleet departs for Abu Dhabi, a distance of 6,125nm, on Wednesday, November 19.

LOL, Mapfre...they're not going to come back from that kind of deficit I think. Nelias only sailed Leg 2 of the VOR 2011/2012 until that secret Port in the Maledives....this time all sailing the Full Leg so nothing to be gained for the Spanish Team here.
Please be certain that your facts are correct. JLN was aboard Groupama for far more than Leg 2 from CT-Maldives. Rather than speculate about what did or did not happen aboard Mapfre, let us focus on what happens in less than two weeks time, the start of Leg 2. Lastly, as noted multiple times prior to the race start, Pedro Sardina is more of a tabloid journo rather than a journo reporting sports news.

Couldn't agree more, especially regarding Sardina

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Hi Krash, Knut indeed, ha! who are they kidding. Agree that ADOR's secret is the multi-tasking and number of drivers. I also believe that a lot ef Dongfeng's success also lies with the fact that many are short handed sailors (Figaro etc) where an eye to every detail on the boat serves them well in the relatively short handed world of the VO65. New name(s) perhaps on DFRT in Leg 2 as the aim has alwas been to rotate the Chinese boys.

 

I don't think the 2nd place in leg 1 was a fluke, in fact taking the lead, breaking a rudder, taking the lead and having a crappy doldrums then biting at Azzam's heels then blowing a padeye and losing 5 miles and finishing 12 minutes (less than a mile) behind ADOR does tend to suggest the Charlie's crew is more than up to the task.

 

Don't want to get too carried away here in China but the interest in the team - and therefore sailing - is accelerating.

 

Certainly the next two legs will be interesting and as closely fought as the last one as both boats will be wanting to first into their home port while denying that phsycological boost to the other.

 

Just a week to go then once again - Game On!

 

See ya on the water, and definately in Sanya

 

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Pedro Sardina is more of a tabloid journo rather than a journo reporting sports news.

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...krash!..long time no speak--you been busy or something? ;)

 

. .....sensationalizing things?....certainly the impression I got ---definitely time to move on

Hello CS. Nice to be back after a long while away. I am not sensationalizing sir, I was simply irritated that Nelias was not given due credit. As for the IM - MD issue, of course there is more to the story, but the nutshell versions that are circulating each have some merit.

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...actually I was referring to Sardina...always seen you to have a pretty good view of what's going on-rather uncanny sometimes!

 

...as much as it would be great to get more details about maintenance issues and some raw sailing footage,,methinks we don't need to pick at Map's very tough crew discord any more than has happened. Any one who's regretted stepping on a boat,but can't get off for days weeks(!!),,,knows what I mean. :mellow:

 

...moving on,,,it would be great if 'someone' would at least stick a webcam in the maintenance shed and simply leave it running ;)

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........ New name(s) perhaps on DFRT in Leg 2 as the aim has alwas been to rotate the Chinese boys.

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.....I can only think that a blind rotation of both Chi-sailors every leg will cost them dearly in the race :mellow:

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So dong is breaking up and rotating out crew. I wish them well that crew did one heck of a good job. Here's hoping that some of them make it back for another leg or three.

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Volvo Ocean Race@volvooceanrace 2m2

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Key crew decisions for @desafiomapfre as Nélias joins for Leg 2 while Desjoyeaux and Lunven leave. http://bit.ly/mapfre-changes #VOR

I guess Nico leaving will be permanent, but I am sure Mich will be back...(edit) maybe not

CAPE TOWN, November 10 Jean-Luc Nélias, the man who helped mastermind Groupamas win in the last Volvo Ocean Race, will take over as navigator for Spanish boat MAPFRE for the second leg of this edition, starting on November 19.

Nélias (FRA) was also navigator for Franck Cammass winning crew in 2011-12. He replaces Nico Lunven (FRA) in the MAPFRE crew that finished seventh in the opening leg from Alicante, Spain to Cape Town on Friday (November 7). Nélias had already been working with MAPFRE as a weather analyst.

The team also announced that Michel Desjoyeaux (FRA), the twice Vendée Globe winner on board for the first leg, will not be sailing any further stages in the 2014-15 race but remains available to assist the team from on-shore.

MAPFRE emphasised that it was never planned for Desjoyeaux to sail the entire race.

Desjoyeaux told Volvo Ocean Race: "The decision (for me) to no longer sail on board MAPFRE was taken by the team and me. They are not easy decisions to take but its also part of the life of a team. Even if Im no longer sailing, Ive not wasted my time. MAPFRE is a great team with really good guys on board."

His replacement will be announced in the next few days, the team added.

The team said their one-design Volvo Ocean 65 boat had arrived in Cape Town generally in good shape despite some relatively minor problems with the engine, batteries and other small breakages.

In all, MAPFRE sailed a total of 8,525 nautical miles (nm) and would have secured sixth spot on Friday had they not ran into an almost windless area under Table Mountain shortly before the finish. Team SCA took advantage to sail in on a more favoured course and snatched sixth instead.

The Spanish boat will be back in the water on Tuesday (November 11), preparing for the Cape Town in-port race on Saturday, November 14.

The seven-strong fleet departs for Abu Dhabi, a distance of 6,125nm, on Wednesday, November 19.

LOL, Mapfre...they're not going to come back from that kind of deficit I think. Nelias only sailed Leg 2 of the VOR 2011/2012 until that secret Port in the Maledives....this time all sailing the Full Leg so nothing to be gained for the Spanish Team here.
Please be certain that your facts are correct. JLN was aboard Groupama for far more than Leg 2 from CT-Maldives. Rather than speculate about what did or did not happen aboard Mapfre, let us focus on what happens in less than two weeks time, the start of Leg 2. Lastly, as noted multiple times prior to the race start, Pedro Sardina is more of a tabloid journo rather than a journo reporting sports news.

Couldn't agree more, especially regarding Sardina

 

he's been right plenty of times too. My inside info was that Mich was done long before he got to shore...lots of bad energy aboard.

 

For those of you whinging about 'sensationalizing' this stuff, just fuck off. The interpersonal relationships, the conflicts, the cliques, and the strong partnerships and groupings are intensely important to this race. Whether Iker can handle the pressure of such a late run and of running a crew like this one given his past record in the race is goddamned interesting...

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For those of you whinging about 'sensationalizing' this stuff, just fuck off. The interpersonal relationships, the conflicts, the cliques, and the strong partnerships and groupings are intensely important to this race. Whether Iker can handle the pressure of such a late run and of running a crew like this one given his past record in the race is goddamned interesting...

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...wow. Out of all the interesting stories that could be covered, I actually find it really sad that more attention needs be given to Mapfre's woes.The issues were pretty clear long before the finish. The 'conflict' has been covered--surely there's something else going on? <_<

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but I am sure Mich will be back...(edit) maybe not

Maybe not.

 

"Thanks, but no thanks"?

Zero chance of MD rejoining the boat while Iker is on board

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For those of you whinging about 'sensationalizing' this stuff, just fuck off. The interpersonal relationships, the conflicts, the cliques, and the strong partnerships and groupings are intensely important to this race. Whether Iker can handle the pressure of such a late run and of running a crew like this one given his past record in the race is goddamned interesting...

+1

Crew performance is the major differentiator in a one design race, and that's measured at every level from mechanical manoeuvres through trimming, overall intensity levels and strategic decision making. Abu Dhabi seem to have assembled a super strong and diverse team, but it is strongly and singly led. Team dynamics are critical - and the Spanish went for a team of champions rather than a champion team. I was dubious when I heard that MD was on board simply as 65 feet and an overall crew of 8 is a way small space for two sailors of his and Ikers' stature.

 

Iker may have the goods but he will need to be given the latitude to run things his way for any definitive answer to that question to be forthcoming. Maybe he's a tomato and garlic flavoured version of Chris Dixon, maybe he's a Grant Dalton? Both strong, autocratic leaders but one nukes teams, the other makes them perform. Hard to say yet.

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Volvo Ocean Race@volvooceanrace 2m2minutes agoKey crew decisions for @desafiomapfre as Nélias joins for Leg 2 while Desjoyeaux and Lunven leave. http://bit.ly/mapfre-changes #VOR I guess Nico leaving will be permanent, but I am sure Mich will be back...(edit) maybe not

CAPE TOWN, November 10 Jean-Luc Nélias, the man who helped mastermind Groupamas win in the last Volvo Ocean Race, will take over as navigator for Spanish boat MAPFRE for the second leg of this edition, starting on November 19.

Nélias (FRA) was also navigator for Franck Cammass winning crew in 2011-12. He replaces Nico Lunven (FRA) in the MAPFRE crew that finished seventh in the opening leg from Alicante, Spain to Cape Town on Friday (November 7). Nélias had already been working with MAPFRE as a weather analyst.

The team also announced that Michel Desjoyeaux (FRA), the twice Vendée Globe winner on board for the first leg, will not be sailing any further stages in the 2014-15 race but remains available to assist the team from on-shore.

MAPFRE emphasised that it was never planned for Desjoyeaux to sail the entire race.

Desjoyeaux told Volvo Ocean Race: "The decision (for me) to no longer sail on board MAPFRE was taken by the team and me. They are not easy decisions to take but its also part of the life of a team. Even if Im no longer sailing, Ive not wasted my time. MAPFRE is a great team with really good guys on board."

His replacement will be announced in the next few days, the team added.

The team said their one-design Volvo Ocean 65 boat had arrived in Cape Town generally in good shape despite some relatively minor problems with the engine, batteries and other small breakages.

In all, MAPFRE sailed a total of 8,525 nautical miles (nm) and would have secured sixth spot on Friday had they not ran into an almost windless area under Table Mountain shortly before the finish. Team SCA took advantage to sail in on a more favoured course and snatched sixth instead.

The Spanish boat will be back in the water on Tuesday (November 11), preparing for the Cape Town in-port race on Saturday, November 14.The seven-strong fleet departs for Abu Dhabi, a distance of 6,125nm, on Wednesday, November 19.

 

LOL, Mapfre...they're not going to come back from that kind of deficit I think. Nelias only sailed Leg 2 of the VOR 2011/2012 until that secret Port in the Maledives....this time all sailing the Full Leg so nothing to be gained for the Spanish Team here.
Please be certain that your facts are correct. JLN was aboard Groupama for far more than Leg 2 from CT-Maldives. Rather than speculate about what did or did not happen aboard Mapfre, let us focus on what happens in less than two weeks time, the start of Leg 2. Lastly, as noted multiple times prior to the race start, Pedro Sardina is more of a tabloid journo rather than a journo reporting sports news.

Couldn't agree more, especially regarding Sardina

he's been right plenty of times too. My inside info was that Mich was done long before he got to shore...lots of bad energy aboard.

 

For those of you whinging about 'sensationalizing' this stuff, just fuck off. The interpersonal relationships, the conflicts, the cliques, and the strong partnerships and groupings are intensely important to this race. Whether Iker can handle the pressure of such a late run and of running a crew like this one given his past record in the race is goddamned interesting...

Adds an interesting dynamic to the race for sure.

 

As this is an OD race it's almost expected that the boats should finish close to each other. So far, any team falling significantly far behind the front pack is viewed as a catastrophe. As it is still possible for this to happen in future legs, especially the next leg, it's not impossible for similar shake ups to amongst teams to take place. More drama and intrigue to follow.

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but I am sure Mich will be back...(edit) maybe not

 

Maybe not.

 

"Thanks, but no thanks"?

Well, he said it cuts both ways, but some how I doubt it.

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Key crew decisions for @desafiomapfre as Nélias joins for Leg 2 while Desjoyeaux and Lunven leave. http://bit.ly/mapfre-changes #VOR

I guess Nico leaving will be permanent, but I am sure Mich will be back...(edit) maybe not

CAPE TOWN, November 10 Jean-Luc Nélias, the man who helped mastermind Groupamas win in the last Volvo Ocean Race, will take over as navigator for Spanish boat MAPFRE for the second leg of this edition, starting on November 19.

Nélias (FRA) was also navigator for Franck Cammass winning crew in 2011-12. He replaces Nico Lunven (FRA) in the MAPFRE crew that finished seventh in the opening leg from Alicante, Spain to Cape Town on Friday (November 7). Nélias had already been working with MAPFRE as a weather analyst.

The team also announced that Michel Desjoyeaux (FRA), the twice Vendée Globe winner on board for the first leg, will not be sailing any further stages in the 2014-15 race but remains available to assist the team from on-shore.

MAPFRE emphasised that it was never planned for Desjoyeaux to sail the entire race.

Desjoyeaux told Volvo Ocean Race: "The decision (for me) to no longer sail on board MAPFRE was taken by the team and me. They are not easy decisions to take but its also part of the life of a team. Even if Im no longer sailing, Ive not wasted my time. MAPFRE is a great team with really good guys on board."

His replacement will be announced in the next few days, the team added.

The team said their one-design Volvo Ocean 65 boat had arrived in Cape Town generally in good shape despite some relatively minor problems with the engine, batteries and other small breakages.

In all, MAPFRE sailed a total of 8,525 nautical miles (nm) and would have secured sixth spot on Friday had they not ran into an almost windless area under Table Mountain shortly before the finish. Team SCA took advantage to sail in on a more favoured course and snatched sixth instead.

The Spanish boat will be back in the water on Tuesday (November 11), preparing for the Cape Town in-port race on Saturday, November 14.

The seven-strong fleet departs for Abu Dhabi, a distance of 6,125nm, on Wednesday, November 19.

LOL, Mapfre...they're not going to come back from that kind of deficit I think. Nelias only sailed Leg 2 of the VOR 2011/2012 until that secret Port in the Maledives....this time all sailing the Full Leg so nothing to be gained for the Spanish Team here.
Please be certain that your facts are correct. JLN was aboard Groupama for far more than Leg 2 from CT-Maldives. Rather than speculate about what did or did not happen aboard Mapfre, let us focus on what happens in less than two weeks time, the start of Leg 2. Lastly, as noted multiple times prior to the race start, Pedro Sardina is more of a tabloid journo rather than a journo reporting sports news.

Couldn't agree more, especially regarding Sardina

 

he's been right plenty of times too. My inside info was that Mich was done long before he got to shore...lots of bad energy aboard.

 

For those of you whinging about 'sensationalizing' this stuff, just fuck off. The interpersonal relationships, the conflicts, the cliques, and the strong partnerships and groupings are intensely important to this race. Whether Iker can handle the pressure of such a late run and of running a crew like this one given his past record in the race is goddamned interesting...

Clean you are correct regarding the importance of dynamics in this race, and historically the Spanish boat is undoubtedly the one most entrenched in this regard. Iker can handle far more than you might think. Do not count these boys out.

 

I have been continually impressed with DFRT. The team has done a tremendous job thus far, and will only continue to improve regardless of crew changes. I am simply happy that sailing is going to finally get the credit it is due in China, as there are some tremendously passionate sportsmen and women on the mainland. After two relatively poor showings, I am thrilled that my dear friend Shanghai Sailor can cheer loudly for the home team with a strong chance of a podium finish!

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...........After two relatively poor showings, I am thrilled that my dear friend Shanghai Sailor can cheer loudly for the home team with a strong chance of a podium finish!

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.....Shanghai Sailor is from France? :rolleyes:

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...........After two relatively poor showings, I am thrilled that my dear friend Shanghai Sailor can cheer loudly for the home team with a strong chance of a podium finish!

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.....Shanghai Sailor is from France? :rolleyes:

Cheeky cheeky Couch.

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...........After two relatively poor showings, I am thrilled that my dear friend Shanghai Sailor can cheer loudly for the home team with a strong chance of a podium finish!

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.....Shanghai Sailor is from France? :rolleyes:

Cheeky cheeky Couch.

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. ...the team eats Coq au Vin.........or ChowMein? :P

 

 

...what's your view of DongFeng's turning block,deckstrap issue?

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...........After two relatively poor showings, I am thrilled that my dear friend Shanghai Sailor can cheer loudly for the home team with a strong chance of a podium finish!

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.....Shanghai Sailor is from France? :rolleyes:

 

 

Cheeky cheeky Couch.

 

 

haha punked ! well played CS .

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...wow....things are really drumming up for leg 2,,lots of action in the boatpark,,,,,,,,,,

 

 

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Key crew decisions for @desafiomapfre as Nélias joins for Leg 2 while Desjoyeaux and Lunven leave. http://bit.ly/mapfre-changes #VOR

 

Not surprised about Lunven, for me he always lacked credibility as a round the world navigator when compared against the likes of SiFi and Capey.

 

I wander where this leaves Sam Goodchild? He was a Mich Desjoyeaux recommendation and I suspect he will be tainted with that brush. Shame for him as it was a good opportunity.

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Lets just hope the web site improves and some of the videos contain tactical insight instead of just silly quotes form on board - there is a whole load of sailors that want to share the agony of the decisions being made.

Like SCA's good and bad call from Leg 1 and Mapfres bad call at the end .... that would hook me far more

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Lets just hope the web site improves and some of the videos contain tactical insight instead of just silly quotes form on board - there is a whole load of sailors that want to share the agony of the decisions being made.

Like SCA's good and bad call from Leg 1 and Mapfres bad call at the end .... that would hook me far more

Don't think the teams care to share their decision making processes and sail trim with the other teams.

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Lets just hope the web site improves and some of the videos contain tactical insight instead of just silly quotes form on board - there is a whole load of sailors that want to share the agony of the decisions being made.

Like SCA's good and bad call from Leg 1 and Mapfres bad call at the end .... that would hook me far more

Don't think the teams care to share their decision making processes and sail trim with the other teams.

I know SCA did a couple of times as they went along. Even the final push at the end was in their blog ahead of time.

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I meant we could have expert shore based analysis of their motivation and the factors influencing them - they could use the routing models to show why routes favoured etc

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I meant we could have expert shore based analysis of their motivation and the factors influencing them - they could use the routing models to show why routes favoured etc

arent we all experts in routing here? Go back and reread this thread there are all sorts of expert opinions expressed here. From crew behavior motivators to weather modeling and route estimating. 😄

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I can't translate it - but it looks like we're in for the first brother vs sister scrap in the Volvo - Mr Greenhalgh is joining Mapfre.

http://desafiomapfre.com/rob-greenhalgh-se-une-al-mapfre/

 

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...interesting chip-it,,thanks!.....pardon the google transmutate.....looks like it's pretty good,,other than his cv pointing to his 18''er status :blink:

...I much prefer looking forwards to a well sorted team than picking apart what wasn't working before...moveON!!.

....Quite a push-pace for Rob,finish home affairs,kiss wife g'bye,,,fly to capey on friday,,,,do in-port the next day :huh:

 

 

Robert Greenhalgh from today will be one of the chief guard "MAPFRE "

This was confirmed by the Spanish team from Cape Town (South Africa ), where on Saturday , the 15th, the coastal race and Wednesday, June 19, the output of the second leg of the Volvo Ocean Race 2014-2015 will be held .

Greenhalgh is an experienced offshore sailor who will participate with it in his fourth Volvo Ocean Race , a race already won in the 2005-2006 edition aboard the " ABN AMRO ONE ." He also was second with "Puma" and fifth in 2008-2009 with " Abu Dhabi Ocean Racing" in 2011-2012.

"I'm really looking forward to this new challenge. The Volvo Ocean Race in its new format with one-design boats I think that's fine ; Navigation is very competitive and intense , a lot of equity. The " MAPFRE " ,although they haven't made ​​a good start , it is definitely a favorite . Wanting to be there already , "said Rob Greenhalgh .

Meanwhile , the pattern of "MAPFRE " Iker Martínez explained that " a driver looking very, very experienced who knows very well this type of boats and sails. Rob has a great track record , with a podium and a win in the three editions that competed until now and is well known for its ability to run on board as head guard , his ability to drive very fast and is also a person physically very powerful . "

Rob Greenhalgh will join the team next Friday in Cape Town , where he is scheduled to regatta dispute and official training.

Interestingly Rob compete with Volvo Ocean Race with his sister Libby, navigator of Team ACS.

 

ABOUT ROB GREENHALGH

Date of birth: 08/17/1977

Birthplace: Brighton , Sussex, UK

Location: Hamble , Hampshire, UK

Position on board: Head Guard

Summary palmares

Volvo Ocean Race 2011-2012 . " Abu Dhabi Ocean Racing"

Volvo Ocean Race 2008-2009 . "Puma"

Volvo Ocean Race 2005-2006 . " ABN AMRO ONE"

Team Origin . 40. Extreme Pattern iShares Cup Series in 2007 ( 1 ) and 2008 ( 2 )

British Moth Champion . 2013

Skiff World Champion 18 "

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Position on board 'head guard'.

 

Does that mean people have to check with him before they have a shit, or is he in charge of keeping it clean? Does this explain some of the source of tension onboard in the last leg? No one likes to go down to complete their morning tasks and find the place in a stinky state. No wonder they were all such grumpy fuckers in the on board footage.

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Indeed CMS - the three Greenhalgh siblings are after all pretty much the living embodiment of go hard or go home! The Foxer fleet can testify to that!

http://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/news/7985_Big-Brother-is-coming.html

Though it would seem actually not the first brother vs sister line up - the dutch apparently did it in 89/90.

 

p.s. - oh and thanks for outing me (though I appreciate the avatar isn't subtle!)

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Position on board 'head guard'.

 

Does that mean people have to check with him before they have a shit, or is he in charge of keeping it clean? Does this explain some of the source of tension onboard in the last leg? No one likes to go down to complete their morning tasks and find the place in a stinky state. No wonder they were all such grumpy fuckers in the on board footage.

well SCA broke their head in the last race and gained speed enough to pass mapfre.

 

Not sure where I am going with that joke. Especially since his sister is on SCA.

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Team Brunel - Tête-à-tête

 

Anje-Marijcke [brunel Team Coach] asked Andrew Cape for the boat’s data, such as its speed and course. 'Because we know exactly who was on watch, who was trimming and who was steering, I can link these data to the stories I heard. This is when effective and less effective patterns of co-operation come to light. Shortly, we’ll have a full evaluation with the whole sailing team in which all of the findings – including Andrew’s figures – will be discussed. Then we’ll see what the best combinations are. Some people might be better helmsmen and others may be great trimmers. Finally, the team will use these data to put together two four-man watches.'

 

Link: http://www.sail-world.com/NZ/Volvo-Ocean-race-2014-15---Tete-a-tete/128898

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Team Brunel - Tête-à-tête

 

Anje-Marijcke [brunel Team Coach] asked Andrew Cape for the boat’s data, such as its speed and course. 'Because we know exactly who was on watch, who was trimming and who was steering, I can link these data to the stories I heard. This is when effective and less effective patterns of co-operation come to light. Shortly, we’ll have a full evaluation with the whole sailing team in which all of the findings – including Andrew’s figures – will be discussed. Then we’ll see what the best combinations are. Some people might be better helmsmen and others may be great trimmers. Finally, the team will use these data to put together two four-man watches.'

 

Link: http://www.sail-world.com/NZ/Volvo-Ocean-race-2014-15---Tete-a-tete/128898

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....very nice to hear specifics like that...it gives some insight into the detail teams cover

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Team Brunel - Tête-à-tête

 

Anje-Marijcke [brunel Team Coach] asked Andrew Cape for the boat’s data, such as its speed and course. 'Because we know exactly who was on watch, who was trimming and who was steering, I can link these data to the stories I heard. This is when effective and less effective patterns of co-operation come to light. Shortly, we’ll have a full evaluation with the whole sailing team in which all of the findings – including Andrew’s figures – will be discussed. Then we’ll see what the best combinations are. Some people might be better helmsmen and others may be great trimmers. Finally, the team will use these data to put together two four-man watches.'

 

Link: http://www.sail-world.com/NZ/Volvo-Ocean-race-2014-15---Tete-a-tete/128898

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....very nice to hear specifics like that...it gives some insight into the detail teams cover

Thanks for posting that. Every team is doing the same thing. Like I said, this first leg was just a shake down. Race is on now. Barring any catastrophes the teams will either get tighter or implode.

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Barring any catastrophes the teams will either get tighter or implode.

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.....I'd havta say I was concerned about some of Walker's footage...he seemed pretty keyed-up. I wonder how things will be if they're not running at the front.........caffeine gum indeed. :mellow:

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Don't know if it will be of interest to anyone here, but in an effort to help me keep track of which nationalities are on which boats, I made some infographics and posted them to my Tumblr blog:

 

http://lies.tumblr.com/post/102459418821/volvo-ocean-race-2014-15-i-made-these

Nice work!

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......hmmm,,,I wonder if VO's thinking of freshing-up their web-team? :rolleyes:

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Don't know if it will be of interest to anyone here, but in an effort to help me keep track of which nationalities are on which boats, I made some infographics and posted them to my Tumblr blog:

 

http://lies.tumblr.com/post/102459418821/volvo-ocean-race-2014-15-i-made-these

Nice work!
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......hmmm,,,I wonder if VO's thinking of freshing-up their web-team? :rolleyes:

well the team itself is fairly solid. What they need is to replace the graphic designer with a news paper editor. Some one who can show today's news first and yesterday's news second.

Also a link or even a blurb of the various team blogs would be great. The information is mostly there. It just is strangely organized. It is like they took the worst design elements from windows metro and said that's good. But use less divisions between information.

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