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Isn't that bad for the core?

 

They may have sealed it with something, can't tell by the photos. Only the bottom of the core would have been exposed and I'm tipping it was sealed.

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Isn't that bad for the core?

 

They may have sealed it with something, can't tell by the photos. Only the bottom of the core would have been exposed and I'm tipping it was sealed.

Looks like some red stuff was used to seal the cut edge.

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Isn't that bad for the core?

 

They may have sealed it with something, can't tell by the photos. Only the bottom of the core would have been exposed and I'm tipping it was sealed.

 

waterline down is foam

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So WB it did involve a overwater trip to get to Mona Vale?? I look forward to prize.

She only got wet between Woolwich Dock and Rozelle Bay ( just around the corner ) - lifted out at Sydney City and loaded onto a truck headed for Mona Vale

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Arse already chopped off as well? If so, would definitely make her shorter and an easier transport.

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Arse already chopped off as well? If so, would definitely make her shorter and an easier transport.

arse hasn't been chopped yet

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So WB it did involve a overwater trip to get to Mona Vale?? I look forward to prize.

She only got wet between Woolwich Dock and Rozelle Bay ( just around the corner ) - lifted out at Sydney City and loaded onto a truck headed for Mona Vale

Part right..I'll take half a T shirt then, left or right side doesn't matter.

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Maxi Scow ???????

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What's it rate?

 

Edit: Fuck, beaten by the front page :(

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You shouldn't know where the front page is.

C'mon, give me a break. You have to peek from time to time, otherwise how will you know what to bash Clean about this week?

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Come on.., it's ne newq prototype for an Ocean Optimist!

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You shouldn't know where the front page is.

 

C'mon, give me a break. You have to peek from time to time, otherwise how will you know what to bash Clean about this week?

Good point, you can be the nominated FP viewer for the next 12 months.

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You shouldn't know where the front page is.

C'mon, give me a break. You have to peek from time to time, otherwise how will you know what to bash Clean about this week?

 

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another huge section has been cut!

 

Thats chopped back to in front of the mast now - gotta be half a boat missing!

 

this explains why they weren't too worried about transporting by water the other day - they obviously just needed the watertight bulkhead intact until they got it into the shed

 

makes sense to cut it back further - No way they were going to make the lines of the NEW longer section blend seamlessly with the rest of the hull by only lopping off that first small section.

 

 

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Nope. Its the next Space Shuttle Virgin are testing for commercial use in 2025...

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Looking at existing plans she is still going to end up a relatively skinny boat compared to these two fatties that are going to be out there come Boxing Day.

 

Might be some interesting development in the weight and foil/righting moment department, particularly if SA is going up???

 

 

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are you sure that deck mould isnt upside down

That is a finished deck above a finished Bow section of the Hull.

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Looking at existing plans she is still going to end up a relatively skinny boat compared to these two fatties that are going to be out there come Boxing Day.

 

Might be some interesting development in the weight and foil/righting moment department, particularly if SA is going up???

 

 

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detachable office

 

just saw fats comment about bowman gets his own office priceless

 

Satelite office please.

 

As it is under build, clearly it is a Site office

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yeah - it's all happening.

 

wonder if the water ballast will go ?

 

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This is no nip and tuck.

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Who doesn't want to be him?

 

On the payroll and second son of one of Australia's richest men. Owns a couple of half decent enterprises in his own right. Kick ass property, skipper of the most successful supermaxi ever, match racing champ etc id trade places.

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Who doesn't want to be him?

 

On the payroll and second son of one of Australia's richest men. Owns a couple of half decent enterprises in his own right. Kick ass property, skipper of the most successful supermaxi ever, match racing champ etc id trade places.

MR is a very talented guy for sure. I don't know him, but he seems to be a pretty genuine sort of digger. Knows his way around a boat yard too.

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Who doesn't want to be him?

 

On the payroll and second son of one of Australia's richest men. Owns a couple of half decent enterprises in his own right. Kick ass property, skipper of the most successful supermaxi ever, match racing champ etc id trade places.

MR is a very talented guy for sure. I don't know him, but he seems to be a pretty genuine sort of digger. Knows his way around a boat yard too.

 

 

 

You both nailed it.

 

He's a good bloke...

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I'd definitely vouch for him. Having done my apprenticeship with him and the crew at pbmy, he was good to work with. whenever he was on the tools you always learnt heaps. I can remember working on the 32 centre console mold we built, on a Saturday started at about 10am finished at 11pm iirc, learnt heaps that night as everyone else had gone by like 1 or 2pm.

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I'd definitely vouch for him. Having done my apprenticeship with him and the crew at pbmy, he was good to work with. whenever he was on the tools you always learnt heaps. I can remember working on the 32 centre console mold we built, on a Saturday started at about 10am finished at 11pm iirc, learnt heaps that night as everyone else had gone by like 1 or 2pm.

thats good to hear.

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Copy cats already beavering away preparing for S2H

 

PS Trickys.boat... but with pre-race secrecy he is passing it off as someone elses.

The front fell off? Had to be said...

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Copy cats already beavering away preparing for S2H

 

PS Trickys.boat... but with pre-race secrecy he is passing it off as someone elses.

The front fell off? Had to be said...

 

That was last Friday on the cool boat thread and Sailby and GreatRed made the joke then.

 

But gee you're quick. ;)

 

BTW If I want to turbo a Trekka; I bloody well will.

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So where does the hull start? Looks to me like a 103' boat with a clipper bow and bowsprit. Does it come off to measure into the 100' length?

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It's all down to weather with this next race. This team have had amazing fortune with the weather ( as well as bloody good navigation and crew work.) They deserve every accolade, however no amount of change will fix this boat of the weather gods don't play.

 

I hope the big changes they are doing are worth it long term.

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Maybe but consider the weather favours one boat for only a part of the race, then the other.

 

This is by far the most probable scenario.

 

Then any changes that result in performance improvement, or increase the range of conditions in which you are competitive, become an asset.

 

A race that(without the mods) may have gone either way is now a win... which is all that matters in the world of 'line honours arms-race' stoushes.

 

Meanwhile the sticky one-trick pony remains just that.

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I would have thought currently "as is" it is a case of weather at any one section of the race course favours one OR the other and where normally S2H is a 2 or 3 weather race.

 

However post mod WOXI will move more to the "middle/above middle" sacrificing some of her current advantage to improve power reaching. That means she should be less vulnerable and be even more an all rounder than she already is.

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Ha, reckon not ( i.e. giving away her advantage zone)

 

Well we agree that she's increasing performance across a wider range.

 

Foretriangle MASSIVELY larger kites & codes will increase LW performance beyond what humankind has seen in a offshore mono.

 

Where/why are you seeing her move toward pseudo-fat reaching boat, her beam max is the same? Have you any angles on any stability +/- ???

 

Strategically and totally hypothetically why would one go toward the design corner Comanche sits, yet never get there, while giving away your advantage area, no sense in that at all.

 

Also yes she will be better pushing on downwind with the mast aft, but IMO running free the narrower boat was never at a disadvantage anyway, till stuffing the bow

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Strategically and totally hypothetically why would one go toward the design corner Comanche sits, yet never get there, while giving away your advantage area, no sense in that at all.

 

 

 

Because obviously someone is very nervous about the size of the performance deficit in that corner.

Cover your closest opposition, could this open the door for Loyal (if they can get their shit together for once).

Could be that the roles in 2015 will be reversed, Comanche fully worked up, WO dialing in a new(ish) boat.

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"Foretriangle MASSIVELY larger kites & codes will increase LW performance....."

"Also yes she will be better pushing on downwind with the mast aft, but IMO running free the narrower boat was never at a disadvantage anyway, till stuffing the bow......"

Do these two comments not answer your own question?????

So the mods allow the boat to boat push harder when running in fresh to frightening conditions when the bow would be stuffing.

 

And Yet.....

 

The same mods allow the design to carry a larger foretriangle which will in some way offset the need to remain competitive in the lighter stuff.

 

Wild Oats is all about Line Honours - the handicap stuff is just the Cherry on the top. So as it has only 4 or 5 direct competitors - Big Indian, Loyal, Rags, Rio & VO70's would it not make sense to concede some of its light air dominance and gain some heavy air speed?

 

WO remains a slippery sucker (it is not getting any wider/fatter) and I do not see displacement changing radically - so we can say that that wetted surface area is going to be similar to as before - yes, yes I know prismatic can be altered a lot - but really it is not going to be a quantum away from where it was........

 

So the boat remains a good all rounder (relative to the big indian which is clearly a power reaching monster - which nobody will top if they get those conditions) but has probably sped itself up for the heavy downwind.

 

I do not see any problems with this - bearing in mind:

  • the team are just moderately successful;
  • know what their strengths and weaknesses are;
  • and are unlikely to be spending Bob's coin if it wasn't a high probability of being successful......

 

Really people, what the fuck do we know anyway? Lets enjoy the boat porn, super milf involvement and have a more evenly matched race than last year. I know what I will be doing on Boxing Day........

 

 

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Strategically and totally hypothetically why would one go toward the design corner Comanche sits, yet never get there, while giving away your advantage area, no sense in that at all.

 

 

 

Because obviously someone is very nervous about the size of the performance deficit in that corner.

Cover your closest opposition, could this open the door for Loyal (if they can get their shit together for once).

Could be that the roles in 2015 will be reversed, Comanche fully worked up, WO dialing in a new(ish) boat.

 

 

 

Comanche may be fully dialed in,,, but in one corner of conditions,,,,a corner that can present many variables.

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"Foretriangle MASSIVELY larger kites & codes will increase LW performance....."

"Also yes she will be better pushing on downwind with the mast aft, but IMO running free the narrower boat was never at a disadvantage anyway, till stuffing the bow......"

 

Do these two comments not answer your own question?????

 

So the mods allow the boat to boat push harder when running in fresh to frightening conditions when the bow would be stuffing.

 

And Yet.....

 

The same mods allow the design to carry a larger foretriangle which will in some way offset the need to remain competitive in the lighter stuff.

 

Wild Oats is all about Line Honours - the handicap stuff is just the Cherry on the top. So as it has only 4 or 5 direct competitors - Big Indian, Loyal, Rags, Rio & VO70's would it not make sense to concede some of its light air dominance and gain some heavy air speed?

 

WO remains a slippery sucker (it is not getting any wider/fatter) and I do not see displacement changing radically - so we can say that that wetted surface area is going to be similar to as before - yes, yes I know prismatic can be altered a lot - but really it is not going to be a quantum away from where it was........

 

So the boat remains a good all rounder (relative to the big indian which is clearly a power reaching monster - which nobody will top if they get those conditions) but has probably sped itself up for the heavy downwind.

 

I do not see any problems with this - bearing in mind:

  • the team are just moderately successful;
  • know what their strengths and weaknesses are;
  • and are unlikely to be spending Bob's coin if it wasn't a high probability of being successful......

 

Really people, what the fuck do we know anyway? Lets enjoy the boat porn, super milf involvement and have a more evenly matched race than last year. I know what I will be doing on Boxing Day.......

 

 

 

+1 Well said.! And yes enjoy the porn too. Not much more to say cos you nailed it.!

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This is awesome to watch, even though the race is still nearly 3 month away. If WOXI wins again this year, does Commanche go back in the shed, get split down the middle, and have 2M of beam removed from the boat? What potential mods could be made to her to make her more competitive outside of her designed conditions?

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When it was being built Clean asked them if they included any provisions to make it faster so that it could stay current like WOXI and they said no.

 

What about those curved boards though? Are they ever going to make an appearance?

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Strategically and totally hypothetically why would one go toward the design corner Comanche sits, yet never get there, while giving away your advantage area, no sense in that at all.

 

 

Because obviously someone is very nervous about the size of the performance deficit in that corner.

Cover your closest opposition, could this open the door for Loyal (if they can get their shit together for once).

Could be that the roles in 2015 will be reversed, Comanche fully worked up, WO dialing in a new(ish) boat.

But that deficit (hard reaching only) can't be 'covered'

Unless you mean cover from behind

 

You'd rather stay faster in the remaining 85% of conditions

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When it was being built Clean asked them if they included any provisions to make it faster so that it could stay current like WOXI and they said no.

 

What about those curved boards though? Are they ever going to make an appearance?

Could the moustache foils make an appearance on WOXI with her new mods?

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When it was being built Clean asked them if they included any provisions to make it faster so that it could stay current like WOXI and they said no.

 

What about those curved boards though? Are they ever going to make an appearance?

Could the moustache foils make an appearance on WOXI with her new mods?

 

 

Probably not, moustache foils are a result of appendage number limitations of the IMOCA class. A foil combining the leeway resistance and vertical lift tasks is less versatile than two independent ones and therefore most likely less efficient over a wide range of conditions. Plus the IMOCA designers and skippers have already admitted that they had to sacrifice upwind performance which is a strong point of WOXI they are not going to sacrifice.

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When it was being built Clean asked them if they included any provisions to make it faster so that it could stay current like WOXI and they said no.

 

What about those curved boards though? Are they ever going to make an appearance?

Could the moustache foils make an appearance on WOXI with her new mods?

 

 

Probably not, moustache foils are a result of appendage number limitations of the IMOCA class. A foil combining the leeway resistance and vertical lift tasks is less versatile than two independent ones and therefore most likely less efficient over a wide range of conditions. Plus the IMOCA designers and skippers have already admitted that they had to sacrifice upwind performance which is a strong point of WOXI they are not going to sacrifice.

 

who know's what they've got up their sleeve - They are saying the 'profile' of the foil will be changed tho

 

Looks like they're sticking with the retractable centreboard up forward - the casing has already been fitted to the new bow section

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This is awesome to watch, even though the race is still nearly 3 month away. If WOXI wins again this year, does Commanche go back in the shed, get split down the middle, and have 2M of beam removed from the boat? What potential mods could be made to her to make her more competitive outside of her designed conditions?

Why? She was built to be a straight line monster to break records. Oats was built, and rebuilt, and rebuilt, etc. to be a line honors monster.

 

I'd say they are both doing quite well at their intended purposes.

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This is awesome to watch, even though the race is still nearly 3 month away. If WOXI wins again this year, does Commanche go back in the shed, get split down the middle, and have 2M of beam removed from the boat? What potential mods could be made to her to make her more competitive outside of her designed conditions?

Why? She was built to be a straight line monster to break records. Oats was built, and rebuilt, and rebuilt, etc. to be a line honors monster.

 

I'd say they are both doing quite well at their intended purposes.

Simply because of the competitive nature in all of us. Who is content with getting beat by his/her nearest competition every time you line up against them only to have moments of brilliance in the loss?

 

Is he really happy with being the fastest monohull on the planet but unable to beat WOXI for line honors in an actual race? That's all I'm asking.

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It is also pretty handy upwind well heeled....... This is a design feature that will become more and more extreme......Wonder where the limit is and IRC says "enough"???

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Well designed sprit. Minimum weight is important up there, and this will be much lighter.

 

Making the bow longer and stern shorter is an interesting way of moving the mast aft! Good on them, well done.

 

Foils with active control of lift (like a moth) will work hugely better than uncontrolled foils, including DSS or the essentially fixed AOA systems like the silly cheater system created for the AC cats and more recently many other badly performing foilers today. The reason that in 1975 I stopped developing my invention that is more recently called DSS was because all hydrofoils must be active, ar their drag is at least double that of active foils. Sure, sometimes better than nothing, but always much worse than active controls.

Imagine if everybody decided to stop development because they knew the ultimate solution was the only answer?

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Foils with active control of lift (like a moth) will work hugely better than uncontrolled foils,

 

Ocean racing, what could possibly go wrong?

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Well designed sprit. Minimum weight is important up there, and this will be much lighter.

 

Making the bow longer and stern shorter is an interesting way of moving the mast aft! Good on them, well done.

 

Foils with active control of lift (like a moth) will work hugely better than uncontrolled foils, including DSS or the essentially fixed AOA systems like the silly cheater system created for the AC cats and more recently many other badly performing foilers today. The reason that in 1975 I stopped developing my invention that is more recently called DSS was because all hydrofoils must be active, ar their drag is at least double that of active foils. Sure, sometimes better than nothing, but always much worse than active controls.

Imagine if everybody decided to stop development because they knew the ultimate solution was the only answer?

 

 

Or that Carcrash had had that ultimate solution 40 years ago, then somehow abandoned it....?

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Well designed sprit. Minimum weight is important up there, and this will be much lighter.

 

Making the bow longer and stern shorter is an interesting way of moving the mast aft! Good on them, well done.

 

Foils with active control of lift (like a moth) will work hugely better than uncontrolled foils, including DSS or the essentially fixed AOA systems like the silly cheater system created for the AC cats and more recently many other badly performing foilers today. The reason that in 1975 I stopped developing my invention that is more recently called DSS was because all hydrofoils must be active, ar their drag is at least double that of active foils. Sure, sometimes better than nothing, but always much worse than active controls.

 

Active foils are designed to control flight altitude. Foils like DSS don't fly the boat and don't need active controls(wands) to be very, very effective.

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Does this exchange need to be in every thread?

Seems that way.

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wonder if they'll go for a new paint scheme when they're done on the mod's -

 

It'll be easier than trying to blend metallic silver and cheaper than a full respray

 

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Any pics or intel on the mods to WO from you guys in Sydney?

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