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I was thinking more along the lines of looking at the thing after you nuked it and then gone and booted the guy in the nuts if there were any markings...

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SF Drone Company Collects $38M, Makes Zero Deliveries
NBC BAY AREA RESPONDS By Chirs Chmura and Joe Rojas

A San Francisco startup takes thousands of pre-orders worth millions of dollars but never delivers the promised product. Consumers want refunds. And now, the district attorney is involved. Consumer investigator Chris Chmura reports.

(Published 3 hours ago)

 

An artful 2015 video touts the Lily camera, a clever twist on the drone. Lily stood out because it follows its subject and records life from above. Lily was advertised as autonomous and waterproof, too.

Tech consultant Stuart Friedman saw Lily online and pulled out his credit card to land one six months ahead of everyone else.

“It immediately hit me,” Friedman said. “They got me right where they wanted me: I have an immediate need for this.”

The $1,000 flying marvel is the brainchild of two Berkeley alums. Their San Francisco company blanketed social media, offered pre-sales at a discount and collected more than $30 million. Lily co-founder Antoine Balaresque touted the financial feat in a 2016 interview with Tech Crunch.

“Thirty million dollars?” asks the interviewer.

“Thirty-four million dollars,” says Balaresque, correcting her. “It’s been great. We had traction around the world.”

Records show Lily ultimately raked in more than $38 million from 61,450 buyers in 80 countries.

“I gave them $600,” Friedman says.

  • Customers: Submit Refund Info Here

But Lily Robotics repeatedly pushed back its delivery date, leaving customers to wonder whether the drone-making start-up would ever get off the ground. It didn’t.

“While, when I initially made my purchase I was fully aware that it would be six months until I received it, we’re sitting now at about two years since I purchased it [and I still don’t have it],” Friedman said.

Faced with delays and excuses, thousands of fed-up Lily customers requested refunds and got them.

One enlisted the Responds team at our NBC sister station in Washington, D.C.

“I never suspected it was going to take 18 months,” said Lily customer Annie Rosello.

But people like Friedman, as well as Kier in Milpitas and James in San Mateo and gobs of others who’ve sounded off on social media did not get refunds.

“I was never responded to,” Friedman said.

Friedman and others turned to us for help.

We made multiple requests on their behalf. We asked where the $38 million went and whether customers would get their money back. But Lily’s responses equaled the number of drones it delivered: zero.

The outlook was bad. Then, the situation got worse.

The San Francisco district attorney sued Lily, accusing it of false advertising and misleading representations. The suit claims Lily’s promotional videos weren’t actually shot with a Lily.

Some footage was allegedly shot by competitors’ drones and, according to the suit, Lily “failed to make any disclaimers regarding the true source of the video footage.”

The district attorney accuses Lily of knowing what it was doing was wrong. The suit cites an internal email Balaresque sent. It reads: “I think we should be extremely careful if we decide to lie publicly.”

A Lily lawyer declined to comment on the suit. Friedman is stunned by all this.

“I guess, emotionally, it’s nice to see some legal action taken.”

A source close to the company tells NBC Bay Area that Lily Robotics staff has now shrunk from 30 employees to just four: the two co-founders plus two newly hired experts whose sole task is to shut down the failed drone maker.

Records show Lily has also filed for federal bankruptcy protection.

Chapter 11 is often a bad omen for consumers, but this one might offer hope. We found the company has told the court it has $18.7 million remaining and 31,800 customers awaiting refunds. If the full amount would be devoted to refunds, that would average out to $588per person, about the same amount Friedman paid.

Lily’s bankruptcy attorney told us “the company has requested court approvals to bring full refunds to its customers.”

The court will sort out who Lily owes and how much. It’ll then decide if consumers like Friedman stand at the front of the line to be paid or the back.

“The crazier part right now is I have no idea whether it’s a line, a crowd or a mad scramble,” he said.

The San Francisco DA says he is moving forward with his civil suit against Lily Robotics, even though the company has filed for bankruptcy protection.

To consumers who are due refunds, Lily says it knows who you are. But, its bankruptcy attorney told NBC Bay Area that if you’ve moved or changed your email address over the past two years, you’ll need to update your details to get your money back.

Customers seeking refunds can update their information here.

Published at 10:43 PM PDT on Apr 17, 2017 | Updated 3 hours ago

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I just came across this. Dreaming about having a couple of those tuning forks for 30 mph on the hood of my car. Would this help?

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If you can't afford to crash it, don't buy it, Before going to play with the big boys. Buy the dirt cheap 20 quid ones to get used to flying something. They're also basically indestructibel.

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https://www.amazon.com/Syma-S109G-Channel-Helicopter-Gyro/dp/B00DPK11XM

The great thing about this one is, if you by some miracle manage to kill one of these things, it's probably cheaper to buy a new one than repair it!

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If you can't afford to crash it, don't buy it, Before going to play with the big boys. Buy the dirt cheap 20 quid ones to get used to flying something. They're also basically indestructibel.

I tell pretty much everyone looking to get into the drone game to pick up a Hubsan X4 first. They're basically indestructible and cost pennies to fix. All cheaper than one crash with a higher end drone.

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Look for Safety Regulations to retroactively

 

require blades to be enclosed to prevent contact with blades as well as to contain broken bits of blades

 

After a MAJOR Payout !!!!

 

will be hard to comply with at first But will quickly become practical B)

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so, after kinda learning how to fly a drone for the past 6 months on a cheap POS...I splashed it in the river the other day to watch it sink................not wnough horse power and certainly not enough range....dropped out of the sky like a meteor ;-)

 

so I ordered a Mavic today :-)

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so, after kinda learning how to fly a drone for the past 6 months on a cheap POS...I splashed it in the river the other day to watch it sink................not wnough horse power and certainly not enough range....dropped out of the sky like a meteor ;-)

 

so I ordered a Mavic today :-)

Nice. I fricken' love mine!

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Look for Safety Regulations to retroactively

 

require blades to be enclosed to prevent contact with blades as well as to contain broken bits of blades

 

After a MAJOR Payout !!!!

 

will be hard to comply with at first But will quickly become practical B)

You're just pouting because we take better pictures than you do.

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so, after kinda learning how to fly a drone for the past 6 months on a cheap POS...I splashed it in the river the other day to watch it sink................not wnough horse power and certainly not enough range....dropped out of the sky like a meteor ;-)

 

so I ordered a Mavic today :-)

Bringe it AYC thisse weekende!

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so, after kinda learning how to fly a drone for the past 6 months on a cheap POS...I splashed it in the river the other day to watch it sink................not wnough horse power and certainly not enough range....dropped out of the sky like a meteor ;-)

 

so I ordered a Mavic today :-)

Bringe it AYC thisse weekende!

 

not going to AYC :-( gotta finish work on my boat so I can splash..............

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so, after kinda learning how to fly a drone for the past 6 months on a cheap POS...I splashed it in the river the other day to watch it sink................not wnough horse power and certainly not enough range....dropped out of the sky like a meteor ;-)

 

so I ordered a Mavic today :-)

Bringe it AYC thisse weekende!

 

not going to AYC :-( gotta finish work on my boat so I can splash..............

 

Sorrey to hearre, neede helpe?

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so, after kinda learning how to fly a drone for the past 6 months on a cheap POS...I splashed it in the river the other day to watch it sink................not wnough horse power and certainly not enough range....dropped out of the sky like a meteor ;-)

 

so I ordered a Mavic today :-)

Bringe it AYC thisse weekende!

 

not going to AYC :-( gotta finish work on my boat so I can splash..............

 

Sorrey to hearre, neede helpe?

 

yesssss........recore starboard side :-(

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ShweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeT

 

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Pilot Crashes Drone into Seattle Space Needle, May Face Jail and Fine

 

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A drone pilot crashed his camera drone into Seattle’s iconic Space Needle on New Years Eve, and they may now be facing charges.

Footage of the accident captured by the drone itself was made public this week and quickly went viral. The 3-minute video shows the drone capturing scenic views of the city for a couple of peaceful minutes before unexpectedly flying straight into the upper section of the space needle, where some workers were standing.

 

 

CNN reports that police have identified the owner of the drone using its serial number. The FAA began requiring drone owners to register their drones in 2016 for incidents just like this latest one in Seattle.

While Seattle doesn’t currently have any drone ordinances, it’s considering charging the drone owner with reckless endangerment, a gross misdemeanor which could carry a penalty of up to 364 days in jail and a $5,000 fine.

 

 

“It looks like the drone tractor beam we installed on the Space Needle is working,” Space Needle CEO Ron Sevart tells CNN. He says it’s the third time Space Needle management has recovered a drone at the famous landmark.

(via CNN via Paleofuture)

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20 hours ago, Chum said:

I call BS on the "drone tractor beam". Jamming is different than taking control. If the drone was jammed it's just coincidence it crashed where it did.y

I hope you realize that dude was making a joke about the fact that muppets keep plowing into the thing. 

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13 minutes ago, Chum said:

Must have missed that...

no they keep hitting that :)

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Almost bought a DJI MAVIC PRO @ CostCo = $1K

thought long and hard about risk, liabilities, limited legal fly zones (in DAGO)

And the Many ways to get a $20K fine

I sat it back down and left

price OK, I Really like how it folds up & 90 Daz to return it if something went bad and it got Farked-Up (if you can still find it) 

I'm thinking they will still get Better and Cheeper

But the Fun of having/using one is closing out like a Bad shore break

 

But Im still thinkin :unsure:

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36 minutes ago, DA-WOODY said:

Almost bought a DJI MAVIC PRO @ CostCo = $1K

thought long and hard about risk, liabilities, limited legal fly zones (in DAGO)

And the Many was to get a $20K fine

I sat it back down and left

price OK, I Really like how it folds up & 90 Daz to return it if something went bad and it got Farked-Up (if you can still find it) 

I'm thinking they will still get Better and Cheeper

But the Fun of having/using one is closing out like a Bad shore break

 

But Im still thinkin :unsure:

I went to my local park where they hold the Australian F1 GP to test fly my rebuilt quadcopter. It was a weekday and I was on an open football field alone and mostly just hovering low, when a park ranger came up to me to give a long spiel about not being allowed to fly in any park in the state. He did not fine me and we had a good chat about the stupidity of the law. He said he'd love one but because of is job he can't get one as he couldn't afford to fly illegally.

I packed my quad away and have not tried to fly since. I will eventually find a park where I am likely not to run into park staff to finish my testing. Then I probably fly from the marina or from my boat.

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Still Thinking and Thinking

Pretty much the only things I would like to have it for instead of just inviting a Pretty Lady to come for a ride in the Yellow Helicopter

Is already on the "You Can't Do That List"

So like getting a Great Deal on a 3-Wheeler that's illegal to ride

In Fack More like a Great Deal on a GUN you can't Shoot considering the Fines and Federal Agency's Regulating them :o

Is it worth even owning one at this point ???????

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Woody,

     Why haven't you shared your photos of 'Pretty Lady to come for a ride in the Yellow Helicopter'? 

     I thought of you when I saw this

 

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calling me on that .............. Ha

guess you don't follow along

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Next Up .....................

Many have been posted here, the rest can be found

ya I know everyone else get Hawter Cougars to ride in their Bigger, Faster, More Plush Helicopter

i'm not worthy

But I get around and I'm Happy with a Non-Pretend Life !!!

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6 hours ago, DA-WOODY said:

Still Thinking and Thinking

Pretty much the only things I would like to have it for instead of just inviting a Pretty Lady to come for a ride in the Yellow Helicopter

Is already on the "You Can't Do That List"

So like getting a Great Deal on a 3-Wheeler that's illegal to ride

In Fack More like a Great Deal on a GUN you can't Shoot considering the Fines and Federal Agency's Regulating them :o

Is it worth even owning one at this point ???????

Get a drone and mount a gun on it. If someone complains about you flying refer to the 2nd amendment and call the NRA for support

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Public Safety

Board Votes to Restrict Drones Near Fires

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By Yvette Urrea Moe, County of San Diego Communications OfficeOct. 10, 2017 | 1:50 PM
 

The San Diego County Board of Supervisors voted Tuesday to restrict drones from flying near or over fires and locations that have public safety temporary area restrictions to ensure public safety.

The emergency ordinance, passed during peak fire season, applies to the unincorporated areas of San Diego County and takes effect immediately. It will restrict civilian drones from launching, flying or landing within three miles of a firefighting operation or a designated area with temporary restrictions. Any violation would be a misdemeanor crime. All board members present voted in favor of the ordinance.

The ordinance will give news media an exception to cover a disaster area as a way to inform the public, as long as it does not interfere with emergency operations.

In wildfire situations, the presence of a civilian drone in an area where aerial firefighting resources are flying interferes with emergency operations. If a civilian drone is seen in the area, it results in the immediate grounding of firefighting helicopters or planes until the drone can be removed. This action is for firefighter safety which includes preventing mid-air collisions in conditions where visibility is often murky due to smoke. Since water drops from the air are one of a fire agency’s best tools to stop or reduce flames, the withdrawal of air resources leaves a fire to grow putting lives and property at risk.

Law enforcement can also designate a temporary area restriction, in situations of potential unrest such as the prototype border wall construction project in Otay Mesa. Objects that could be used as weapons are prohibited in a temporary area restriction. In these situations, the Sheriff’s Department or other law enforcement, may need to operate a helicopter or drone to monitor the area, so civilian drones would interfere with public safety.

 
 
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So if you fly yer drone and there just happens to be a fire within 3 miles that you don't even know or care about

You are Guilty of a Misdemeanor 

Too Much Risk in just owning one

More than 1 way to Ban something !!!

 

 

 

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Woody,

You can post as many videos as you like. Not gonna change things. 

A few few years ago some of us predicted that “it’s all about me” morons would drive significant restrictions on drone use. They are getting what they asked for. Running into buildings downtown, interfering with firefighting operations, flying in airport approach and departure corridors and the rest are resulting in self inflicted wounds. 

Clearly, having the cash to buy a cheap quad is not associated with the brainpower to use it wisely and in accordance with the basic rules so the restrictions will continue to increase.  

I’m tempted to buy one but live too close to 2 airports - one GA and one military - and get occasional overflights.  Agree with you, it’s too much hassle and getting worse but that’s in response to idiot behavior. 

 

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8 hours ago, Innocent Bystander said:

Woody,

You can post as many videos as you like. Not gonna change things. 

A few few years ago some of us predicted that “it’s all about me” morons would drive significant restrictions on drone use. They are getting what they asked for. Running into buildings downtown, interfering with firefighting operations, flying in airport approach and departure corridors and the rest are resulting in self inflicted wounds. 

Clearly, having the cash to buy a cheap quad is not associated with the brainpower to use it wisely and in accordance with the basic rules so the restrictions will continue to increase.  

I’m tempted to buy one but live too close to 2 airports - one GA and one military - and get occasional overflights.  Agree with you, it’s too much hassle and getting worse but that’s in response to idiot behavior. 

 

This can Not  turn into an argument

I AGREE !!!!!!

I would like to have one and can afford one

it would even be a write-off business expense

But at this point only Criminals will own one - as most any use is now against some law or laws

Like a Gun or Attorney if you or were the only ones to own one all would be fine

BUT They are hell bent on Legislating Drones to be safe in the hands of the un-safe

As In You Must Keep Hold of It at all times  - No Free Flying

Hell even a Kite in Banned from pubic parks in DAGO

I never killed anyone flying a kite as a kid

or adult 

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2 hours ago, DA-WOODY said:

This can Not  turn into an argument

I AGREE !!!!!!

I would like to have one and can afford one

it would even be a write-off business expense

But at this point only Criminals will own one - as most any use is now against some law or laws

Like a Gun or Attorney if you or were the only ones to own one all would be fine

BUT They are hell bent on Legislating Drones to be safe in the hands of the un-safe

As In You Must Keep Hold of It at all times  - No Free Flying

Hell even a Kite in Banned from pubic parks in DAGO

I never killed anyone flying a kite as a kid

or adult 

Yeah. We agree. 

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Dixon And Peotter Propose Banning Aerial Photography

Mike Glenn October 13, 2017

 
 

If you thought the “ban list” that Councilwoman Diane Dixon continues to try to push onto a relatively free population was complete, you’d be wrong.  Last Tuesday, the City Council had a hearing on drones, where Kelsey Brewer with the Association of California Cities (OC) spoke at the request of Dixon.

Dixon was joined in her quest by Councilman Scott Peotter.

Drones are regularly used to photograph houses by real estate agents, film boat parties, fishing crews, whale and dolphin watching, and taking other amazing footage including exploring canyons and showcasing our city’s natural scenic beauty.

Reasons for the ban were brought up, which included:

Potential use of drones for eavesdropping (really? you all know how loud these things are)
Potential use of drones for Trespass/Invasion of Privacy/Peeping Tom (this is already illegal)
Potential use of drones for Stalking (this is already illegal)

The problem here, though, is that literally all of the above are ALREADY illegal.  That’d be like banning hammers because they could be used to break car windows.  There are abundant uses for drones and people using them criminally are still criminals, and people using them to take photos of cool stuff should not be made to be criminals just because other people are creeps.  Arrest the creeps for being creeps, but do not punish innocent people.

Councilmember Will O’Neill and Kevin Muldoon agreed with reality (as usual), with O’Neill saying  “[…] the best we can do is send out our police officers to try and enforce what is essentially pre-technological penal codes.” — you have nailed it, Mr. O’Neill.

The real legal problem, though, is that if Dixon gets her way, it will set the city up to get sued into oblivion by photographers, real estate agents, and the FAA itself, as was already demonstrated in the Singer v. Newton (Massachusetts) case.

I grabbed the title image screenshot from Andy’s Aerial Adventures, which regularly produces amazing aerial footage in and around the Newport Area.

Please, tag your friend who has a drone or post your favorite aerial photos or videos from our area, below– and sign the petition to stop this ban at http://savenewport.com/drones/

Watch the video of the City Council Study Session, here: http://newportbeach.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=44&clip_id=2667 (Item #SS3)

 

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On 10/5/2017 at 9:29 AM, Rasputin22 said:

Woody,

     Why haven't you shared your photos of 'Pretty Lady to come for a ride in the Yellow Helicopter'? 

 

 

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don't get me started :o:lol::lol::lol:B)

 

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