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...Team VESTAS WIND...the resurrection thread.

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...sometimes it's worthwhile sifting through the trashbin of speculgab to find a post like this......

Green light to build the new boat I understand. Kiwi boaatbuilders in Europe have been asked to stay instead of going home for Xmas. The question now is when will they rejoin the race?

 

....I've known NZ to have reliable gossip in the past,,,,anyone got more yet??

 

 

 

News should come out soon:

Team Vestas Wind@TeamVestasWind 3h

This afternoon, #Vestas is meeting with Nico & crew to debrief & determine next steps. Stay tuned! #VOR #TeamVestas

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if they make it surely with a different navigator ....

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......hmmm,,that seems like good material for some other thread :):rolleyes:

 

 

 

maybe end of feb...would they have a spare mast?

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.....I'd be betting the maintenance team has one kicking around,,along with spares of most everything but a hull.

 

I'd also be willing to part with a mast from here..... http://goa.craigslist.co.in/boa/4792635555.html

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...a bit more from the question thread :rolleyes: ...

 

I have it from a boatbuilder in Europe that his return to NZ has been delayed 3 months because they start the new Vestas on Monday week. Why the heck didn't VO make a spare hull like couchsurfer had suggested in june!?

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That would be too good. And the only way for Vestas to use the VOR marketing opportunity in this situation. Imagine the Vestas pavillion traveling from port to port, but no boat, no crew for autograph sessions, no anything in sight. Bit useless and sad...

If they rejoin, they can "capitalize" on the Phoenix effect. Great.

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From interviews, heard they have a two spare rigs "Strategically" placed around the race course for any boat that breaks, so apparently they have 2 tubes at least (maybe full rigs). Plus, I can't imagine a rig takes longer to build than a hull...

 

HW

 

maybe end of feb...would they have a spare mast?

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That would be too good. And the only way for Vestas to use the VOR marketing opportunity in this situation. Imagine the Vestas pavillion traveling from port to port, but no boat, no crew for autograph sessions, no anything in sight. Bit useless and sad...

If they rejoin, they can "capitalize" on the Phoenix effect. Great.

 

.....I'd think that beyond completing the race,,,a huge part of Vestas' ROI would be all the events they attend in the period between this and next edition of the VOR,no?

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That would be too good. And the only way for Vestas to use the VOR marketing opportunity in this situation. Imagine the Vestas pavillion traveling from port to port, but no boat, no crew for autograph sessions, no anything in sight. Bit useless and sad...

If they rejoin, they can "capitalize" on the Phoenix effect. Great.

 

.....I'd think that beyond completing the race,,,a huge part of Vestas' ROI would be all the events they attend in the period between this and next edition of the VOR,no?

 

Has Vestas the company confirmed that they will support the next VOR as well, with or without the same crew? (Or is this wishful thinking?)

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there is a media confcall tomorrow Monday at 0730 UTC. Nico, Wouter, Knut and the Vestas CMO are attending. Fresh news, hopefully.

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I would be surprised if the afterguard wasn't replaced.

 

....and others would be surprised if it changed at all.,but no need for uninformed speculguesses on this,,I'll bet we'll hear with the news conference.

 

 

 

 

 

Wonder if the can chopper off the current rig (or the boat for that matter...)

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...umm yes,,,well said! :mellow:

 

...I know a rectivist who can hardly wait to hear :rolleyes:

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Afaik, the mast is still standing right on it's place, so it should not be a concern, at least for the moment.

 

Otoh, what about the 8th hull supposedly built?

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Not quite sure how you would pull the rig where she sits. Way too much motion using either a helo or barge w/crane.

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No.6. It's deck stepped so less difficult to chopper off the deck. Still a lot of motion though.

 

Or there are two spare VO65 masts floating around the world.

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No.6. It's deck stepped so less difficult to chopper off the deck. Still a lot of motion though.

 

Or there are two spare VO65 masts floating around the world.

Have you ever fuking stepped/unstepped a spar of any significant size? The hook as to be pretty near static. No joy pulling pins with the boat at a steep incline. I've done hundreds including boats laying on their side. I would be shocked if this was even on the table.

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If they've decided to trash the hull then a chainsaw around the step would involve far fewer tears than fuxxing with the pin.

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if they make it surely with a different navigator ....

 

 

Maybe not, he's had the big f-up now, and will never do it again, could be the best Nav now!

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If they've decided to trash the hull then a chainsaw around the step would involve far fewer tears than fuxxing with the pin.

Ho boy.

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if they make it surely with a different navigator ....

 

 

Maybe not, he's had the big f-up now, and will never do it again, could be the best Nav now!

 

Would he be at the press con if he's planning to resign?

Where is the press con info from anyway?

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If they've decided to trash the hull then a chainsaw around the step would involve far fewer tears than fuxxing with the pin.

You've never used a chainsaw on composite structures have you? Especially with a cantilevered load attached to the bit your cutting.

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If they've decided to trash the hull then a chainsaw around the step would involve far fewer tears than fuxxing with the pin.

You've never used a chainsaw on composite structures have you? Especially with a cantilevered load attached to the bit your cutting.

 

It's american "hold my beer n watch this" engineering

 

AKA me-tarded

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All held up by a helicopter mind you.What could possibly go wrong?

Absolutely nothing, just as long as Wes the 'mid mast man and keel trimmer' and soon to be announced 'shore boss and salvage expert'

Is retained on the pay role.

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If they've decided to trash the hull then a chainsaw around the step would involve far fewer tears than fuxxing with the pin.

You've never used a chainsaw on composite structures have you? Especially with a cantilevered load attached to the bit your cutting.

helo ..tether secured to mast head....check

det cord secured to all standing rigging terminals...check

helo...load the tether...

reef crew :-)....detonate on my signal....

fly away...

hey...just a thought about all the time and expense by the Vestas Org...good money after bad..they'll still have to pay the local authorities for all sorts of real and imagined claims...before anything leaves including personal

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The best way to try to save something worth from Vestas 1 should be to charter the Marion Dufresne, currently in La Réunion. The ship is fully equiped to pull the wreckage from the reef and hoist it on its deck, as it was done with Cheminées Poujolat (Bernard Stamm) during 2008 WG.

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So they would re-join the race with a new hull and the newest sails of the fleet... Nice.

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I would be surprised if the afterguard wasn't replaced.

I would be surprised if they were.

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So they would re-join the race with a new hull and the newest sails of the fleet... Nice.

 

Why do you say this? Looks like they pulled all of the sails off of the boat with them plus there's the set of "practice" sails I'm sure they would be obligated to use before building a new set.

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So they would re-join the race with a new hull and the newest sails of the fleet... Nice.

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......oh yeh,,they'd also have had a coupl'a legs break.

...surely their 'fresh' will counteract all the tuning time the others get :mellow:

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Would you give the keys to the bus to these guys a second time?

 

If I could make a real story out of it; a symbol for Vestas the company's successs in the face of all kinds of adversity in the alternative energy world. The company has a compelling story, and Nico is sort of ideal to play that role.

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When the Vestas Wind Crew met with company CFO and head bean counter they were told the following. "The most senior executives were too far vested in high maintenance "girlfriend" commitments at the next stops to can the program. It is also too late to get many of the deposits back for the VIP boondoggles and such. No choice the show must go on and we are stuck paying you crew guys. Since you trashed the outrageous new boat we bought you, that mistake will not happen again. The controller who knows a thing or two about sailing has found something called a Macgregor for you to finish the job with. The new boat has been bought and the advertising team is getting it painted blue at a volvo authorized body shop in Cleveland before we fly the replacement boat to you. The sails you saved off the boat you trashed will be cut and sewn by you in your hotel room(singular) to fit the replacement boat. The social media marketing team has hired Kim Kardashian's mother to sail and tweet your progress from here on out. If you knuckleheads get shipwrecked again we will leave you with her wherever you are this time. If you embarrass us again in any way we will put that fellow Clean on the boat with you until you finish this race. If It were up to me you would not get another dime. But, I do not run this company. I am just stuck writing the checks and trying to explain where this cash went."

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i can't tell if that's supposed to be funny, ironic, satirical, or somehow entertaining, because it is none of them.

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i can't tell if that's supposed to be funny, ironic, satirical, or somehow entertaining, because it is none of them.

 

Well, I found it a funny, ironic, satirical and a somewhat entertaining Dilbertesque parody of the 'Murican bean-counter,

 

So different from the Wikipedia presentation of Morten Albaek

Morten Noedgaard Albæk (born July 28, 1975) is CMO and Group Senior Vice President for Marketing, Communication & Corporate Relations at global wind turbine manufacturer Vestas Wind Systems A/S. Morten Albaek has an academic background in History and Philosophy and is an Honorary Professor in Philosophy and Education at Aalborg University.[1] He is also the only Scandinavian ever to be selected four times for the Internationalist’s Top 100 Most Influential CMOs in the World,[2][3] was declared one of 18 Global Champions in 2011,[4] and one of 50 Global Marketing Leaders in 2012.[5] He was appointed Global Thought Leader by Recharge in April 2013[6] and appointed by Recharge in 2014 as one of the world’s 40 new energy leader under 40 whom can change the energy mix of the planet.[7] Finally, he was selected in 2014 by Fast Company among the 1000 most creative business people in the world.[8]

Rooted in academic philosophy, Morten Albaek believes in creating an enlightenment economy as the antithesis to the experience economy, and in merging capitalism and humanism (the two “isms’’ that have dominated Western culture for more than 500 years) into Capitalistic Humanism, which serves as a cognitive and ideological frame for creating sustainable change.[9]

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i can't tell if that's supposed to be funny, ironic, satirical, or somehow entertaining, because it is none of them.

 

 

What.... not "tasty"

 

kris-jenner-plastic-surgery-breast-impla

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Would you give the keys to the bus to these guys a second time?

If I could make a real story out of it; a symbol for Vestas the company's successs in the face of all kinds of adversity in the alternative energy world. The company has a compelling story, and Nico is sort of ideal to play that role.

 

 

agreed.

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When the Vestas Wind Crew met with company CFO and head bean counter they were told the following. "The most senior executives were too far vested in high maintenance "girlfriend" commitments at the next stops to can the program. It is also too late to get many of the deposits back for the VIP boondoggles and such. No choice the show must go on and we are stuck paying you crew guys. Since you trashed the outrageous new boat we bought you, that mistake will not happen again. The controller who knows a thing or two about sailing has found something called a Macgregor for you to finish the job with. The new boat has been bought and the advertising team is getting it painted blue at a volvo authorized body shop in Cleveland before we fly the replacement boat to you. The sails you saved off the boat you trashed will be cut and sewn by you in your hotel room(singular) to fit the replacement boat. The social media marketing team has hired Kim Kardashian's mother to sail and tweet your progress from here on out. If you knuckleheads get shipwrecked again we will leave you with her wherever you are this time. If you embarrass us again in any way we will put that fellow Clean on the boat with you until you finish this race. If It were up to me you would not get another dime. But, I do not run this company. I am just stuck writing the checks and trying to explain where this cash went."

Hunter, is that you? :D :D :D

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So they would re-join the race with a new hull and the newest sails of the fleet... Nice.

 

Why do you say this? Looks like they pulled all of the sails off of the boat with them plus there's the set of "practice" sails I'm sure they would be obligated to use before building a new set.

How many thousand miles less will their sails have on them when they re-join? It can make a big difference in performance by the end of the race, IMHO.

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i can't tell if that's supposed to be funny, ironic, satirical, or somehow entertaining, because it is none of them.

 

 

What.... not "tasty"

 

kris-jenner-plastic-surgery-breast-impla

Yes, definitely tasty!

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So they would re-join the race with a new hull and the newest sails of the fleet... Nice.

 

Why do you say this? Looks like they pulled all of the sails off of the boat with them plus there's the set of "practice" sails I'm sure they would be obligated to use before building a new set.

How many thousand miles less will their sails have on them when they re-join? It can make a big difference in performance by the end of the race, IMHO.

I'm guessing it would make less of a difference than DNC-ing in 3-4 legs would.

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just listened to the Vestas media confcall. I missed the first 10 minutes. My notes:

 

- boat is out. Not repairable

- Vestas & VOR working hard on a solution, i.e. a new boat. But this a great challenge and not an easy task. It might not be possible. Expecting to announce next steps before start of leg 3

- VOR owns the damaged boat. Vestas was leasing it.

- When Vestas was asked about their financial hit due to the accident, its CMO stated that there is no financial hit at all. Their budget is not going to increase due to it.

- Following the above, I guess that the final decision to build a new boat is going to fall on Knut's shoulders, and his ability to convince both Volvo companies to underwrite some millions. He has done this already, so we'll see.

- Vestas very disappointed to be in this situation but very proud on the way the team handled the situation.

- Nico expressed his gratitude about the support from all stakeholders.

- VOR will make public all findings and recommendations going forward.

- I did not hear Wouter speak, but maybe he did so in the 10 minutes I missed.

 

cheers

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So they would re-join the race with a new hull and the newest sails of the fleet... Nice.

 

Why do you say this? Looks like they pulled all of the sails off of the boat with them plus there's the set of "practice" sails I'm sure they would be obligated to use before building a new set.

How many thousand miles less will their sails have on them when they re-join? It can make a big difference in performance by the end of the race, IMHO.

I'm guessing it would make less of a difference than DNC-ing in 3-4 legs would.

 

Credit where it's due. Spot on W.

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The best way to try to save something worth from Vestas 1 should be to charter the Marion Dufresne, currently in La Réunion. The ship is fully equiped to pull the wreckage from the reef and hoist it on its deck, as it was done with Cheminées Poujolat (Bernard Stamm) during 2008 WG.

 

Very few chances. Marion Dufresne has a busy schedule, which is essential to keep a number of French outposts alive and fed.

 

Yes they did help Bernard Stamm, but this was because they happened to be moored in the same bay at the exact time of Stamm's anchor dragging. (IIRW had not MD be there Stamm could have enjoyed a permanent mooring and ....)

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The best way to try to save something worth from Vestas 1 should be to charter the Marion Dufresne, currently in La Réunion. The ship is fully equiped to pull the wreckage from the reef and hoist it on its deck, as it was done with Cheminées Poujolat (Bernard Stamm) during 2008 WG.

 

 

A big helo is the best thing to take off the boat to the reef . like Mil-Mi 26 . Now the weckrage is enough light.

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You would need to choose a calm day, but you could pull a deck stepped mast using a bottle of hydrogen, a balloon, a few ropes and a small boat. It would help if all the halyards have not been removed.

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Stamm was ordered to remove his wreck. That's unlikely to happen to Vestas.

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i can't tell if that's supposed to be funny, ironic, satirical, or somehow entertaining, because it is none of them.

 

 

What.... not "tasty"

 

kris-jenner-plastic-surgery-breast-impla

Yes, definitely tasty!

What you could call "A transvestite of justice" ?

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So they would re-join the race with a new hull and the newest sails of the fleet... Nice.

 

Why do you say this? Looks like they pulled all of the sails off of the boat with them plus there's the set of "practice" sails I'm sure they would be obligated to use before building a new set.

How many thousand miles less will their sails have on them when they re-join? It can make a big difference in performance by the end of the race, IMHO.

I'm guessing it would make less of a difference than DNC-ing in 3-4 legs would.

Yes, but if they finish one leg in front of you and behind your rival, is one point that may cost you the trophy...

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So they would re-join the race with a new hull and the newest sails of the fleet... Nice.

 

Why do you say this? Looks like they pulled all of the sails off of the boat with them plus there's the set of "practice" sails I'm sure they would be obligated to use before building a new set.

How many thousand miles less will their sails have on them when they re-join? It can make a big difference in performance by the end of the race, IMHO.

I'm guessing it would make less of a difference than DNC-ing in 3-4 legs would.

Yes, but if they finish one leg in front of you and behind your rival, is one point that may cost you the trophy...

Exactly, how are they supposed to race and not interfere with the other boats racing?

 

If the loss had been down to a structural issue then fair enough, replace the boat. But to run it hard aground and then ask for another boat.....................

 

(flame suit on)

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Remember when the Russian boat Kosatka stopped racing in Singapore in 2009 and then got enough money together to join in Stockholm? They weren't allowed to rejoin the race because the boat no longer met the class rules after one keel ram was disconnected. Had they met the class rules I believe they would have been allowed to race. In the end they just shadowed the fleet to St Petersburg.

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The best way to try to save something worth from Vestas 1 should be to charter the Marion Dufresne, currently in La Réunion. The ship is fully equiped to pull the wreckage from the reef and hoist it on its deck, as it was done with Cheminées Poujolat (Bernard Stamm) during 2008 WG.

 

 

A big helo is the best thing to take off the boat to the reef . like Mil-Mi 26 . Now the weckrage is enough light.

 

 

This place is 200 miles or much more from nowhere and anywhere. Any helo would have to be barged in or some type of major military operation with inflight refueling. How tender are these rigs when they are pulled to pick up and set down. Can you just jerk them out and plop them down or is the stick needing of hyper care during the dismount? The other issue you face is no helo pilot will connect to something fixed. The cargo load needs to be free ready to host with known load levels. 20,000 pounds of free payload would be the upper limit. Anything buried in the sand would be considered fixed and a no go. Volvo already has spare rigs, what would you do with this uniquely used rig when you got it off the barge the helo or balloon dropped it on? This is all about media, marketing and branding at this point. Just build a new boat or allow a near one design replacement boat already sitting somewhere. This is not the Olympics. From the very beginning this has all been about business, sponsorship, branding, marketing, and advertising.

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Remember when the Russian boat Kosatka stopped racing in Singapore in 2009 and then got enough money together to join in Stockholm? They weren't allowed to rejoin the race because the boat no longer met the class rules after one keel ram was disconnected. Had they met the class rules I believe they would have been allowed to race. In the end they just shadowed the fleet to St Petersburg.

At least it was the same boat (minus a keel ram)

 

Getting a new one because you trashed the last one.......................

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This is not the Olympics. From the very beginning this has all been about business, sponsorship, branding, marketing, and advertising.

 

No, if it were the Olympics it would be about business, sponsorship, branding, marketing, advertising, international politics, bribery, corruption, kickbacks, squandering of money on colossal scales, and women's beach volleyball (to the exclusion of any sport you were actually interested in.) Compared to the Olympics, the level to which the sport actually matters in the VOR is vastly greater.

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Remember when the Russian boat Kosatka stopped racing in Singapore in 2009 and then got enough money together to join in Stockholm? They weren't allowed to rejoin the race because the boat no longer met the class rules after one keel ram was disconnected. Had they met the class rules I believe they would have been allowed to race. In the end they just shadowed the fleet to St Petersburg.

 

Remember, the pair of keel rams is a critical safety design element. It isn't a simple technicality. They would have needed to recertify the boat - and I don't think there was either time or money to get it to full spec. At the time I remember feeling that there were some awkward issues about the way they shadowed the race. There is nothing that says they can't sail where they like, and that they should or should not shadow the race fleet. But it left an unhappy feeling that they were sailing a boat that clearly didn't meet a critical safety design engineering specification.

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Richard Gladwell's transcription of the presser for Sail-World.com/nz

http://www.sail-world.com/Canada/Volvo-Ocean-Race:-I-saw-jagged-rocks-and-breaking-waves---Nicholson/129723

Volvo Ocean Race: 'I saw jagged rocks and breaking waves' - Nicholson

The Team Vestas Wind crew and Volvo Ocean Race management have just completed a media conference call in Abu Dhabi.

Skipper Chris Nicholson opened by outlining what happened in the 48-hour period prior to the grounding off Team Vestas Wind's on the Cargados Carajos Shoals, some 200 miles north-east of Mauritius in the Indian Ocean

'We were aware that there would be some sea-mounts. When I saw those, I asked what the depth and current and wave conditions would be.

Shore crew manager Neil Cox (blue shirt) and skipper Chris Nicholson after Team Vestas Wind crew arrives to Mauritius - Marc Bow-Volvo Ocean Race Click Here to view large photo
My experience with those off the east coast of Australia is that conditions can get quite bumpy with a difficult wave state.. Wouter’s reply was that the depth went from 3000 metres to 40 metres – that were the extremes of the depths.

'The current was negligible, and we would monitor the wave state, as we approached,' Nicholson said.

'A 40 metre depth is perfectly safe depth at which to cross seamounts or any piece of terrain', Nicholson added.

'That information as relayed to the crew, so they were informed as to the conditions.'

'In hindsight we would have zoomed in much more on the actual area,' said navigator Wouter Verbraak. 'We have not yet managed to get the computers up and running, they are pretty much dead. But we would like to do this, so we know what has happened.

'We had passed during the days, over several seamounts,' Verbraak explained. 'The wave were quite big due to the tropical storms. But we didn’t have any problems with the seamounts. Wave conditions were forecasted to diminish. As such 40 metres was a safe depth to pass over the seamounts.

Team Vestas Wind spun 180 degrees on impact with the Cargados Carajos Shoals, Mauritius, in the Indian Ocean. - Brian Carlin - Team Vestas Wind Click Here to view large photo

In response to a question as to whether the crew was in any danger, Nicholson said they were certainly in danger from the time the 65ft yacht hit the atoll.

'We went instantly into an 180-degree turn. In the force of the impact, our rudders broke off. In the instantaneous turn, our dagger board snapped off. We were completely stuck with breaking waves.

'My initial look over the side of the boat was jagged rocks and breaking waves. At that stage, I didn’t even know there was a safe haven as such in the lagoon, some distance away.

'My initial thoughts were obviously for the worst. We had to inform Race Headquarters. There were 100 jobs going on at the one time', he explained, such as securing bulkhead watertight doors, getting survival suits, the liferafts and the AIS personal beacons.'

November 29, 2014. Leg 2 onboard Team Alvimedica. DAY 10. Alvimedica diverts to the Cargados Carajos Shoals where Team Vestas has run aground. Navigator Will Oxley communicates with Vestas over the VHF. - © Amory Ross / Team Alvimedica Click Here to view large photo

'There was so much going on but the one thing that shone out was the entire crew handled the situation with composure.'

'My one thought was that we had to get the boat under control - we had sails still hoisted. It was an amazingly stressful time, but we need to back up and remember that this was bought about by a simple human error.'

'At the end of the day we didn’t look at the chart and we didn’t zoom in enough.'

'But after that it all went well.'

A textbook recovery:
'We made a serious mistake, but the good thing is that we didn't make anymore', said Wolter Verbraak. (It should be noted that in one Pilot for the area it is claimed that the Shoals are 3nm out of position and if correct, electronic and paper charts would both have been affected.)

'Often when you make one mistake, several others are made, and the situation snowballs, and that creates a dangerous situation. But we didn't and that is a testimony to our teamwork and our training and I still vividly remember the moment - even though it was the worst moment in my sailing career, it was also one of the best - because we worked as a team, and that was incredible. As Chris Nicholson highlighted, there was so many jobs to be done - and that is one of the big things that I cherish from this. Everyone picked a piece of the puzzle that moved us forward and into safety. It was an amazing atmosphere on the boat. There was an incredible teamwork and bond within the team.'

Volvo Ocean Race CEO, Knut Frostad reiterated the organizer's relief that all the crew were safe and not injured.

Currently, Vestas Wind and Volvo Ocean Race, along with the insurers of the boat are working together to determine what will happen to the 65ft round the world racer, which is still on the atoll. 'We are all making our absolute best efforts to do what is right with the boat on the reef. Both Volvo Ocean Race and Vestas have a very clear mission to ensure that there is a minimum of environmental impact on the reef.'

The boat will be removed, either 'in its current form or in a different form. We are working on the detail, and all parties are supporting the plan, and trying to make things happen as quickly as possible.'

Team Vestas Wind stuck hard on the Cargados Carajos Shoals - Volvo Ocean RaceClick Here to view large photo

Sponsors keen to go again:
Morten Albaek, CEO of Team Vestas Wind and Chief Marketing Officer of Vestas Wind reiterated the sponsors keenness to continue in the Race, and confirmed that Chris Nicholson would remain as skipper. 'I trust him now as much as I did before,' Albaek declared.

'It is Vestas' clear ambition to get Vestas Wind out sailing again. We will do everything within our means to make that happen.'

'If the assessment from all the parties is that the boat cannot be repaired. One of the options we are looking into is building a new boat, and whether that can be done and in a time that is meaningful for the team and for Vestas to re-enter the race. That is all still to be concluded, and we are all working closely with Volvo Ocean Race to explore that opportunity, but we don't have any detailed plans or conclusions, yet.'

He confirmed that crew debriefing interviews were already underway to determine what had happened in the lead-up to the incident and that attempts to revive the computers were being made to retrieve the information and build a complete picture, before continuing in the race. The information would be shared within the team and with other teams in the race and the wider sailing community.

Organizers were keen to point out that the issue was a human error. 'Wouter has identified what that was', said Albaek. 'There is no co-relation between the fact that we started our preparation late and this incident.'

Knut Frostad said that the inquiry was extremely important to the Volvo Ocean Race. 'We want to know why the incident happened and how it can be avoided. But also thankfully we don't have incidents like this happening often. We also want to learn how all the safety features worked on the boat, and what the crew experienced in this situation.'

'We are also debriefing with Vestas crew members here and will do so with other team members. We are looking at some changes, if necessary, before the next leg.'

'Our learnings will be published and shared. I cannot give an undertaking as to the timing,' he added.

When first hit, skipper Chris Nicholson said he was unaware that a lagoon lay behind them - Brian Carlin - Team Vestas Wind Click Here to view large photo

Boat ownership clarified:
Frostad confirmed that the yacht was owned by Volvo Ocean Race and leased to the Vestas team. If the boat cannot be repaired, and a new boat is commissioned, then 'we will have to talk about the ownership structure.'

Albaek confirmed that there were no financial consequences for Vestas, as the sponsor of the Team Vestas Wind. The boat was insured, and there will be 'no overall decrease in the budget for Vestas Wind's participation in the Volvo Ocean Race if we are lucky enough to get sailing again.'

'There are no financial consequences for Vestas' Albaek reiterated. 'Our close partners, Powerhouse, are also very keen on exploring all opportunities for Vestas to re-enter the race. Of course, it has to be a joint effort to bring the team back. It will take a real contribution from all parties, bring the team back on the water. But Vestas as the lead sponsor is going to take the leadership to drive these opportunities, along with Powerhouse.'

'It is very important for the sailing world to understand that the culture we have within this team is very open and honest,' said Chris Nicholson. 'In the weeks ahead we can go into much finer detail about what happened. But from a personal point of view I really need to thank the Volvo Ocean Race and their safety standards. And Vestas in regard to how we handled the crisis both during and since. They have been amazing with their level of support for the entire team.'

It is not yet known if Vestas Wind can be rebuilt - Brian Carlin - Team Vestas Wind Click Here to view large photo

'Alvimedica stood by us and gave invaluable assistance during the night.' Nicholson also acknowledged the Mauritius Coastguard and the Mauritius Police, The level of assistance we received that night was quite amazing, and we did need it.

'Since then everyone in the program has been quite touched by the level of support that we have had.

'I don't know what I expected, but it has simply been amazing. There is a glimmer of hope that we can be back, and I know that everyone here is working just as hard as they can to make that happen.'

Vestas Wind Team boss Morten Albaek reiterated Nicholson's sentiments and thanked the other teams for their help and support 'even though we currently don't have a boat in the race.'

He expected that a decision as to the teams future involvement would be made before the start of the next leg. All parties pointed out that getting the team back in the race was not a foregone conclusion and would be extremely challenging.

But to counter that view, the Volvo Ocean 65 fleet were fortuitously built to be used for two races, and one objective for Team Vestas Wind may be to restart either in Auckland or South America and use the rest of the Race to build for the 2017-18 event.


November 29, 2014. Leg 2 onboard Team Alvimedica. DAY 10. Alvimedica diverts to the Cargados Carajos Shoals where Team Vestas has run aground. Navigator Will Oxley communicates with Vestas over the VHF. - © Amory Ross / Team Alvimedica Click Here to view large photo

Shore crew manager Neil Cox (blue shirt) and skipper Chris Nicholson after Team Vestas Wind crew arrives to Mauritius - Marc Bow-Volvo Ocean Race Click Here to view large photo

December 03, 2014. Team Vestas Wind crew arrives to Mauritius with all the equipment they rescued from the boat after grounding on the Cargados Carajos Shoals on the 29th November; - Marc Bow-Volvo Ocean Race Click Here to view large photo

The Vestas Wind team will minimise their impact on the reef as much as possible - Brian Carlin - Team Vestas Wind Click Here to view large photo

 


by Richard Gladwell, Sail-World.com/nz

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Was listening to Dawn Riley last night. Two things she said were of interest. One was that she seems to think there is a hull and deck already built. Not sure how she knows that.

The second thing she said was she her experience with Wouter Verbaak ended with her firing him due to his arrogance. She seemed to take great pleasure in that.

 

 

Refuel a helicopter in flight? Can that be done? I would have thought the rotor(s) would do a number on the fuel hose, and vice-a-verse.

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btw, does the NOR allow teams to change boats during the race? If not very clear so, I can imagine Abu Dhabi's and Brunel's opposition to this move, as a competitive Vestas could snap them some vital points for the overall win. Dongfeng, on the other side, would play ball with VOR, as they own them a big favor for being in the race (VOR signed the sponsors with Volvo's push/door opener). From the others, Alvimedica should be in favor, too (another VOR led sponsor). Mapfre and SCA, not sure.

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Now that is interesting. Thanks for the link ST. I would have thought besides the rotor issues that the speed potentials of each aircraft would have been problematic as well.

 

That has to cost a bomb though. Would think making new bits, even running 24/7, would be cheaper than any remote salvage could be.

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btw, does the NOR allow teams to change boats during the race? If not very clear so, I can imagine Abu Dhabi's and Brunel's opposition to this move, as a competitive Vestas could snap them some vital points for the overall win. Dongfeng, on the other side, would play ball with VOR, as they own them a big favor for being in the race (VOR signed the sponsors with Volvo's push/door opener). From the others, Alvimedica should be in favor, too (another VOR led sponsor). Mapfre and SCA, not sure.

 

That can be answered with the NOR:

 

9.5 REPLACEMENT BOATS

 

When a Boat has sustained damage that would preclude it from further participation in the

Race, the RC may authorise the use of another VO65 if available with a valid VO65 Class

Certificate as a replacement.

 

(Has been in there from the beginning, not a recent addition. ;) )

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...interesting details of the presser,thanks. Not a whole lot more news or details yet ,,,perhaps it'll still be a bit early for news with Clean's interview as well...but certainly a couple of things stand out for me from the interview,,and Dawn Riley's comments 'on record'........

...1...Comments towards Wouter are rather damning. Indeed there seems to be question of his continued participation.

 

...2...future participation....still in question for this race. I would have liked to hear that there's a completed hull sitting in the plant as Riley's comments suggest.but indeed there's no other public confirmation. Personally,I would have thought that it would have been a 'natural' to build a spare hull,given the history,,the odds,, the plan to use the same boats in the next round,,,,and mostly the importance of keeping the 'show' going in respect to R.O.I.** for sponsors. The VO is much more a sponsor/roi program than any kind of boat race most of us know, a sign of the times....to suddenly have a sponsor's billboard disappear off the face of the planet does not send a very hopeful message to future prospective sponsors. In this day and age,,I would hope that the organizers see the importance of keeping the 'show on the road' in order to support continued growth of the format they've developed. It seems they are doing all they can going forwards,,but preparation for a reasonably likely scenario such as this would seem prudent.....if they haven't done so already! Indeed it would be fantastic news for both VestasWind and future sponsors to hear that VO hedged their bets,,and hull8 is waiting on the wings,once hull7 is confirmed as a write-off.

 

 

......**....ROI..return on investment

 

 

.......as for concerns of TeamVestas returning to this race, and worries above of the team 'getting in the way' or 'stealing points that 'cost you the trophy',,one only needs to look at the last VO,where what was often referred to as much a 'freighter race' as yacht race. A clear precedent is already in place that a broken boat gets shipped to the next port they can re-start,the only penalty being the DNF they got on the break-down leg. Good/bad,,,right/wrong,,that's the format of this race. As is customary in most OD events,,there is allowance for replacement of damaged equipment.

In the format of the VO,or any sponsor-driven event, ROI is king. Although Vestas gains valuable exposure from the 'everyone loves a crash' syndrome,,,the real value will come from them with a successful re-launch into this edition,,,and Iikely seal the deal for their future commitment. Team Vestas seems to value their 'phoenix' qualities....certainly their association with VestasSpeed showed this well. I expect we'll see a very fine example of this quality again ,over the next few weeks!

 

....3....in regards to recovery, it's clear that there's a strong commitment towards this by all parties. Of course ,all agree also that it is not a simple or quick process. Perhaps there's a possibility of this boat returning to racing in the future-maybe even in the VO....but methinks that recovery assessment and repair to be rather complicated if it is possible, the chances are slim.

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Now that is interesting. Thanks for the link ST. I would have thought besides the rotor issues that the speed potentials of each aircraft would have been problematic as well.

 

That has to cost a bomb though. Would think making new bits, even running 24/7, would be cheaper than any remote salvage could be.

And here too, shit happens, and not the way you imagine :

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Material ordered. Starting Monday 15th at one of the yards. Planning phase now.

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...another dribble from NZL. This inf is not 'official'**,but alongside the OP...''the plant workers have been asked to retained'' rings a hope. Now a mention that material has been ordered adds more hope to the cause**. Taking it at face value,,this suggests there is indeed no hull 8 sitting on the sidelines,,contrary to Riley's suggestion,,and my great hope. :mellow:

 

....Going forward,,I'm looking forward to seeing the phoenix in action,,,,a splendid display of resourcefulness,ingenuity, and a 'can-do' approach by all concerned,,,showing how all elements can combine in the finest manner,with little added expense to the sponsor.

Thank gawd for insurance,,perhaps worthy of a coupla 'stickers' on the boom of #8! :)

 

 

.....**certainly would be a nasty troll if inaccurate :mellow:

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....post 60 above seems to be a pretty complete paraphrase of the 'conference'. It's a rather stange silence for the second half of the tape,,I had thought my speakers were putz,,save for the sound of someone typing in the conference....a strange sequence indeed,,leaving many questions, details yet to be answered. :mellow: .........

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....post 60 above seems to be a pretty complete paraphrase of the 'conference'. It's a rather stange silence for the second half of the tape,,I had thought my speakers were putz,,save for the sound of someone typing in the conference....a strange sequence indeed,,leaving many questions, details yet to be answered. :mellow: .........

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Ever worked with WebEx? I do it every day, and outages ("Can you hear me?, Can you hear me? Sorry, please dial in again, WebEx is down...") are very common.

Don't think that this is the case here, tho.

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btw, does the NOR allow teams to change boats during the race? If not very clear so, I can imagine Abu Dhabi's and Brunel's opposition to this move, as a competitive Vestas could snap them some vital points for the overall win. Dongfeng, on the other side, would play ball with VOR, as they own them a big favor for being in the race (VOR signed the sponsors with Volvo's push/door opener). From the others, Alvimedica should be in favor, too (another VOR led sponsor). Mapfre and SCA, not sure.

 

That can be answered with the NOR:

 

>9.5 REPLACEMENT BOATS

 

When a Boat has sustained damage that would preclude it from further participation in the

Race, the RC may authorise the use of another VO65 if available with a valid VO65 Class

Certificate as a replacement.

 

(Has been in there from the beginning, not a recent addition. ;) )

 

 

 

The money guys and their lawyers will always want a path or exit that lets them go forward even if others closer to the sport do not think it practical, rational, fair or remotely possible. At the money table they know then cannot predict the future and will not want to sign on to anything that limits future options.

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....post 60 above seems to be a pretty complete paraphrase of the 'conference'. It's a rather stange silence for the second half of the tape,,I had thought my speakers were putz,,save for the sound of someone typing in the conference....a strange sequence indeed,,leaving many questions, details yet to be answered. :mellow: .........

.

 

Ever worked with WebEx? I do it every day, and outages ("Can you hear me?, Can you hear me? Sorry, please dial in again, WebEx is down...") are very common.

Don't think that this is the case here, tho.

 

 

Does anyone have the WebEx Call #? The should be a complete recording of the entire call there? The Cisco WebEx Network is very robust. The week link is the path from the desktop through the public internet to the closest WebEx network node or the "last mile" that Cisco WebEx has zero control over. The memory and processor limits of the PC trying to multitask can also limit the quality.

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Was listening to Dawn Riley last night. Two things she said were of interest. One was that she seems to think there is a hull and deck already built. Not sure how she knows that.

The second thing she said was she her experience with Wouter Verbaak ended with her firing him due to his arrogance. She seemed to take great pleasure in that.

 

 

Refuel a helicopter in flight? Can that be done? I would have thought the rotor(s) would do a number on the fuel hose, and vice-a-verse.

That was certainly the evening's moment of smug, wasn't it.

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What the hell? That is the weirdest video to come out of a press conference. Who is the guy walking around, zooming in on Knut's paperwork and looking over the shoulder of Nico? What was the point of all the silence at the end and watching the MD typing on his laptop.

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...interesting details of the presser,thanks. Not a whole lot more news or details yet ,,,perhaps it'll still be a bit early for news with Clean's interview as well...but certainly a couple of things stand out for me from the interview,,and Dawn Riley's comments 'on record'........

...1...Comments towards Wouter are rather damning. Indeed there seems to be question of his continued participation.

 

...2...future participation....still in question for this race. I would have liked to hear that there's a completed hull sitting in the plant as Riley's comments suggest.but indeed there's no other public confirmation. Personally,I would have thought that it would have been a 'natural' to build a spare hull,given the history,,the odds,, the plan to use the same boats in the next round,,,,and mostly the importance of keeping the 'show' going in respect to R.O.I.** for sponsors. The VO is much more a sponsor/roi program than any kind of boat race most of us know, a sign of the times....to suddenly have a sponsor's billboard disappear off the face of the planet does not send a very hopeful message to future prospective sponsors. In this day and age,,I would hope that the organizers see the importance of keeping the 'show on the road' in order to support continued growth of the format they've developed. It seems they are doing all they can going forwards,,but preparation for a reasonably likely scenario such as this would seem prudent.....if they haven't done so already! Indeed it would be fantastic news for both VestasWind and future sponsors to hear that VO hedged their bets,,and hull8 is waiting on the wings,once hull7 is confirmed as a write-off.

 

 

......**....ROI..return on investment

 

 

.......as for concerns of TeamVestas returning to this race, and worries above of the team 'getting in the way' or 'stealing points that 'cost you the trophy',,one only needs to look at the last VO,where what was often referred to as much a 'freighter race' as yacht race. A clear precedent is already in place that a broken boat gets shipped to the next port they can re-start,the only penalty being the DNF they got on the break-down leg. Good/bad,,,right/wrong,,that's the format of this race. As is customary in most OD events,,there is allowance for replacement of damaged equipment.

In the format of the VO,or any sponsor-driven event, ROI is king. Although Vestas gains valuable exposure from the 'everyone loves a crash' syndrome,,,the real value will come from them with a successful re-launch into this edition,,,and Iikely seal the deal for their future commitment. Team Vestas seems to value their 'phoenix' qualities....certainly their association with VestasSpeed showed this well. I expect we'll see a very fine example of this quality again ,over the next few weeks!

 

....3....in regards to recovery, it's clear that there's a strong commitment towards this by all parties. Of course ,all agree also that it is not a simple or quick process. Perhaps there's a possibility of this boat returning to racing in the future-maybe even in the VO....but methinks that recovery assessment and repair to be rather complicated if it is possible, the chances are slim.

Well done. I didn't know you had it in you. Keep it up. Valid points indeed.

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Material ordered. Starting Monday 15th at one of the yards. Planning phase now.

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...another dribble from NZL. This inf is not 'official'**,but alongside the OP...''the plant workers have been asked to retained'' rings a hope. Now a mention that material has been ordered adds more hope to the cause**. Taking it at face value,,this suggests there is indeed no hull 8 sitting on the sidelines,,contrary to Riley's suggestion,,and my great hope. :mellow:

 

....Going forward,,I'm looking forward to seeing the phoenix in action,,,,a splendid display of resourcefulness,ingenuity, and a 'can-do' approach by all concerned,,,showing how all elements can combine in the finest manner,with little added expense to the sponsor.

Thank gawd for insurance,,perhaps worthy of a coupla 'stickers' on the boom of #8! :)

 

 

.....**certainly would be a nasty troll if inaccurate :mellow:

 

 

Even if there are blank decks and hulls. A lot of "material" would be needed? It would be intellectually interesting to understand what insurance pays when, to who, and for what. Do they(whoever they is) get full value on employee negligence? Is there such a thing as "navigator malpractice, errors, and omissions". The boat was leased... sort of like the maritime admiralty equivalent of a FexEx guy wrecking a rent a truck. Was this a "lease" or a bonafide maritime bareboat charter where the boat must be returned in the same condition of better. Then the contract mess goes on from there. Volvo and Team Vestas Wind have agreements for all kinds of stuff at every stop along the way. What type of effort do they need to display to meet the terms of all those contracts? Can the decision team just say "we are done" "here is notice" "all bets are off". No more checks to anyone after this week?

 

Say some more boats get trashed or abandoned by unfunded crew. What happens if the Volvo Circus does not show up in one of the towns planning for their arrival?

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What the hell? That is the weirdest video to come out of a press conference. Who is the guy walking around, zooming in on Knut's paperwork and looking over the shoulder of Nico? What was the point of all the silence at the end and watching the MD typing on his laptop.

 

It's a VNR (video news release). That means it's for broadcasters, and it's up to them to add commentary. The long silence could be used e.g. for an explanation, comment, some history, whatever.

 

 

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Looks like Team Vestas Wind's Volvo Ocean Race Campaign 2014/2015 has officially come to a close today. All the best for the Future Guys :)

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......I hope not

 

 

The money guys and their lawyers will always want a path or exit that lets them go forward even if others closer to the sport do not think it practical, rational, fair or remotely possible. At the money table they know then cannot predict the future and will not want to sign on to anything that limits future options.

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...the ROI considerations alone would put a big nail in the coffin in terms of future sponsors

 

 

 

.......... Say some more boats get trashed or abandoned by unfunded crew. ........

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....good point...I guess there's some point that someone would decide it's time to put VO out of it's misery....I think that's a long way off still. :rolleyes:

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If someone was nosy they would check into Vestas Winds plans and contracts for Newport have they started canceling stuff?

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On its media channels (twitter, FB) VOR is pushing the message that "Vestas is ‘exploring the opportunity’ of re-entering the Volvo Ocean Race with a new boat". I guess a sign that this is indeed going to happen, despite the pretty un-exciting atmosphere at the media call this morning. IMHO definitely not worthwhile from an ROI perspective, but well, if VOR helps them with the additional financial costs, why not. VOR needs additional boats for the next edition, so why not to have them build now.

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On its media channels (twitter, FB) VOR is pushing the message that "Vestas is ‘exploring the opportunity’ of re-entering the Volvo Ocean Race with a new boat". I guess a sign that this is indeed going to happen, despite the pretty un-exciting atmosphere at the media call this morning. IMHO definitely not worthwhile from an ROI perspective, but well, if VOR helps them with the additional financial costs, why not. VOR needs additional boats for the next edition, so why not to have them build now.

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...yes,,it would have to be a team play. Vestas wording...'exploring the opportunity' actually places a conditionality on things...they are not making a commitment.

..it's one thing for Vesta's to invest some more into the idea of 'overcoming adversity',,but let's face it,,,VO sold leased them a package of boat,,crew,,and race...it's a large part VO's 'vestad' interest to make things work,,,to show the package is reliable......something future sponsors will be interested to see.

 

​...than gawd they insured their investment appropriately......(?)

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The best way to try to save something worth from Vestas 1 should be to charter the Marion Dufresne, currently in La Réunion. The ship is fully equiped to pull the wreckage from the reef and hoist it on its deck, as it was done with Cheminées Poujolat (Bernard Stamm) during 2008 WG.

I wonder if thats been suggested to the right people?

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Does anyone have any idea how long it would take to build a replacement boat? I',m guessing that if one was built it could rejoin the race in Auckland?

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Does anyone have any idea how long it would take to build a replacement boat? I',m guessing that if one was built it could rejoin the race in Auckland?

Paging Nick Bice!

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