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I think, maybe. Lots of heavy middle aged dudes selling their conventional boats in favor of 20 ft sporties. Quite a good number might buy something like this tk help polish their skills?

 

I'm not very in tuned with the dingy market but it sounds like this will line up with the D1? Anything else similar? Hiker? Competitive over 200 lbs? Asym kite?

 

If it's anything like its big brother the VX one... Winner

 

 

minimum sailor weight = 190lbs

 

are there many people that heavy looking for dinghies?

 

maybe.., but i'm way too light

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If that's what people want, then I have to wonder why everything from the Fox to the Bongo haven't caught on.

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VX EVO ( the VX ONE for ONE ) looks like a brilliant idea! Big enough for a big guy or two kids. Don't worry about the boat being too powerful or requiring really big guys to sail/race it. Brian Bennett is a very savvy guy when it comes to the market. MAYBE the boat will offer more than one mast section or different size sails? A lead-ballasted center board ( no bulb ) for those who want a little extra stability? He will provide something to accommodate a wide range of sailors - which means a wide range of buyers. Nice provision for the assy to add fun and performance. Don't forget that most sailing in the USA is done in rather LIGHT breezes so a bigger rig may be nice on those " lazy, hazy, crazy days of summer ". Nice job Brian! We look forward to more info and photos soon. Best of Luck!

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Look forward to seeing this on the water, really enjoy the VX and wouldn't be opposed to seeing a single hander. Plus at 200lbs I am right in the weigh range for this boat.

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VX EVO ( the VX ONE for ONE ) looks like a brilliant idea! Big enough for a big guy or two kids. Don't worry about the boat being too powerful or requiring really big guys to sail/race it. Brian Bennett is a very savvy guy when it comes to the market. MAYBE the boat will offer more than one mast section or different size sails? A lead-ballasted center board ( no bulb ) for those who want a little extra stability? He will provide something to accommodate a wide range of sailors - which means a wide range of buyers. Nice provision for the assy to add fun and performance. Don't forget that most sailing in the USA is done in rather LIGHT breezes so a bigger rig may be nice on those " lazy, hazy, crazy days of summer ". Nice job Brian! We look forward to more info and photos soon. Best of Luck!

 

you don't think most buyers would want to race it OD?

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It's a bit longer than the current crop o'dinks, so maybe it will have room for a parent who enjoys sailing with their kid, or a couple of younger sailors. It also looks like there will be a weighted keel to address lighter single handers, with a lighter keel for those who like to swim. Broadens access to the game.

Looks like a good spot in the market. No reason to jump into the Laser, Aero, D-Zero, Melges 14 fray. It's not a dingy, an is aimed at older, bigger folks who going to see it as a bargain entry into an asymmetric sport boat.

Count me very, very interested for the reasons Ultra stated. It's going to be a single seat F16 for quick, fun engagements when you don't need to launch your fully armed air superiority fighter.

Since it is a Bennett design, the quality and performance is assured.

It's going to end up being the "gateway drug" for the VX One Class.

just be clear, a keel will do nothing to balance the playing field between light and heavy. The effectiveness of the keel at what will be optimal heel (close to 0) will be nill, so heavier sailors will still be faster in anything close to or above design wind. Now if you're just using the keel to stay upright/get upright, and you're not racing, then, whatever. Cant imagine buying a new boat, especially a small one, not to race it, though.

 

 

I guess count me as confused as to this things purpose. doesnt seem to be trying hard for OD. Is entering where a number of other boats failied miserably - but were maybe ahead of their time, and lead is just well... lead... that shit can poison you.

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that ballast will do a great job on a singlehander,

so the boat can sail away when you slip over the side, under the SF Bay bridge or similar hypothermic

& shark infested waters

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True, the Mid-Pacific Gyre is home to thousands of abandoned K6's, Viper's, Melges, Open 6.5's, SB20's - all sucked right out underneath from their helpless crews by King Neptune Himself.

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ever had a boat drift away from you, crewed or otherwise? It is absolutely exhausting trying to get back. eventually boats usually capsize or turtle - which makes the struggle a little easier. if they dont the situation can become very bad.

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Fucking hard swimming in a spray jacket and lifejacket too. Doesn't take much speed to get away from you

Wasn't the k1 a similar idea to this? Did they ever get off the ground?

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ha ha, i recommend a reality check for you, failing that hang on to the mainsheet with your life

You really are a barrel of laughs.

Also, why do you hang around in Dinghy Anarchy? I don't imagine you've much to offer in terms of modern dinghy sailing?

 

 

IMO that's another attempt to launch a boat into an already crowded part of the market- Interested to see how it goes

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Negativity notwithstanding, there is a point to be made here. The Vipers etc all have crew that can turn the boat around to pick up anyone who goes overboard. Not the case, obviously, with a singlehander. Understanding how the boat (with the keel option) would respond in the event the skipper falls out would be important. Would it go head to wind peacefully and allow the skipper to catch up? That would be a good trick! A lifeline is the simplest answer, I suppose.

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Also, why do you hang around in Dinghy Anarchy? I don't imagine you've much to offer in terms of modern dinghy sailing?

 

What's a leadmine got to do with modern dinghy sailing anyway?

 

If it ever happens to you then you may find that a singlehander blowing away from you is no joke. I can tell you from experience its amazing how small and invisible you feel if the boat is blowing away downwind from you faster than you can swim.

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My advice would be to not use a weighted option. There, problem solved

Don't bring logic and reason into this conversation. They are having fun arguing without it!

 

On a serious note, I am going to be watching this Evo, would be a great dinghy night trainer for the VX.

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ever had a boat drift away from you, crewed or otherwise? It is absolutely exhausting trying to get back. eventually boats usually capsize or turtle - which makes the struggle a little easier. if they dont the situation can become very bad.

 

We had a line squall come from the north a few years back. I saw it and we sailed into the beach and told the R/C what we saw but alas nobody else got it. So an F18 went over -- and sailed over a mile away from her crew. Fortunately all were recovered with no trouble. But my god that F18 went sideways fast! Didn't feel the need to turtle for a long time!

 

 

 

 

Fucking hard swimming in a spray jacket and lifejacket too. Doesn't take much speed to get away from you

Wasn't the k1 a similar idea to this? Did they ever get off the ground?

 

I was wondering about that too.

Then again the Viper and now the VX1 seem to be going where the Boss and the L4000 etc tried and failed to go... I forget what it was called but it was in that same time period and had a keel...sort of...

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minimum sailor weight = 190lbs

 

are there many people that heavy looking for dinghies?

 

maybe.., but i'm way too light

 

 

Finns are out all the time in my hometown.

 

Most guys my age that I used to race Lasers with are like 1.5 of me now.

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if anyone at Bennett Boats is listening:

 

ill take mine with trapeze and spinnaker to race one design thanks

 

lead assistance would be good option for recreation sailing with family, friends etc.

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Like! My only single handed options in the Midwest is the tired old Laser or an MC scow (all 400 embarrassing lbs of it). Not very excited about either. On paper the VX EVO looks like great fun. The VX One is IMO by far the best sportboat on the market. It's not even close. Unfortunately people are afraid of true performance and want to sail with 2 handholders in the J70 (shaking my head...).

 

I really like the Weta trimaran, but most Americans just do not understand multihulls. If the Weta doesn't take off in the Midwest, maybe this will.

 

I'm amazed the Weta has not grown faster in the US. Americans just do not get it. It's here now for the same price (12k). It's stable, easy to push hard and forgiving for beginners. It also has a fairly wide competitive weight range. It is very fun to race and sail, even in light air. Anyway...

 

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Stachel - don't own anything.

Son has BIC open. I've previuosly owned sailboards, dingies and 16 skiff. Not sailed for couple of years due to work and being involved in kids sailing

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Fucking hard swimming in a spray jacket and lifejacket too. Doesn't take much speed to get away from you

Wasn't the k1 a similar idea to this? Did they ever get off the ground?

Some what hate to admit it but I have shedded my PFD to swim fast enough to catch my boat. Not a problem to be overlooked.

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Nice posting of the WETA. Now, take the WETA, make it 2' longer, approx 45 lbs lighter, get rid of the jib, make the assy spin bigger, change the hull shape to add wider flatter aft sections, add curved cockpit contours for comfortable hiking, get rid of the two amas, and as if by magic, you have the general idea for the VX EVO. Both are clever designs but COMPLETELY different. Best of luck Brian on your new design!

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Fucking hard swimming in a spray jacket and lifejacket too. Doesn't take much speed to get away from you

Wasn't the k1 a similar idea to this? Did they ever get off the ground?

 

Think the K1 is doing quite well...

 

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When last was a decent dinghy designed in the States, if ever?

Um, the Clarks have designed some sweet rides...

As far as mass produced, well, that would probably be the V15 in the 90s...

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When last was a decent dinghy designed in the States, if ever?

 

Paul Bieker has designed some great i14s, the Clarks and Chis Maas have designed great ICs.

 

Perhaps the question you are wanting to ask was when was the last time a decent dinghy class was founded in the US.

 

I thought the Megabyte was very good, but it only marginally counts for nationality and hasn't really found secure status as a class. Are we going back to the Sunfish?

 

I don't think there's much doubt that the US dinghy market, in so far as it exists at all, is very idiosyncratic which means even if a boat manages to become popular in the US it will have trouble getting established elsewhere.

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American Dinghy success:

 

Comet

Snipe

Lighting

Thistle

Bluejay

Rhodes 18

Rhodes Bantam

Duster

Penguin

Windmill

Jet14

Lido 14

Flying Tern

Sailfish

Sunfish

Force 5

...

...

...

...

...

Vanguard 15

...

...

Hoot!

 

 

Something rather noticeable here...

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They are both very subjective terms. In pure racing/participation terms, the Opti is the most successful by a mile (and not mentioned in fastyacht's list). The Snipe, Lightning and, to a lesser degree, the Sunfish are the only boats which have had any decent success outside of the US. And barely any of them even have decent sized fleets at their own national championships. From a performance point of view, none of them would be considered high performance (save perhaps the Thistle and the Hoot), so on these terms, not much in the way of "decent" or "success".

However, if someone were try to argue that the Lighning is anything less than decent and successful, they would be dead wrong.

My guess, at the risk of putting words in his mouth, is Major Tom is looking for what would be deemed a modern high-performance boat, which would consider the VX Evo. So, on this basis, the only boat that would make this criteria would be the Hoot.

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LOL I arbitrarily decided not to list anything that was under 9 feet long and essentially a kid's only boat. I left off a number of other boats that also had big numbers once.

The Thistle isn't even an international class. But quite robust here.

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I really like the Weta trimaran, but most Americans just do not understand multihulls.

The argument that "most americans do not understand multihulls" is a bit off the mark. Of all the high performance single hander fleets that work well on the east coast, the A-class has got to be near #1. The F-18 is also pretty robust, as well as a few other classes. Then there's all those goofballs that have been talked into buying marstams and the list goes on and on. Clearly Americans get multihulls. What stops the Weta is, well...come on dude...it's a heavy skiff with training wheels....The thrills and spills factor of sailing is pretty essential to the risk/fun/skill/respect equation that drives high performance sailors to do what they do. Americans aren't too uneducated to buy Wetas, they are too openly risk-seeking. No comment on the VX except to share a quote. "There is only one thing harder than starting a one-design class: starting a college" -Steve Clark. Best of luck to them.

 

DRC

 

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So, on this basis, the only boat that would make this criteria would be the Hoot.

 

....nicely put. Indeed the Hoot is a lovely fun ride. Definitely a positive tick on the designer,Chris Maas. Unfortunately, I'd think that the success aspect might require selling a few more boats though. :mellow:

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So, on this basis, the only boat that would make this criteria would be the Hoot.

 

....nicely put. Indeed the Hoot is a lovely fun ride. Definitely a positive tick on the designer,Chris Maas. Unfortunately, I'd think that the success aspect might require selling a few more boats though. :mellow:

 

All in good time, all in good time.

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When last was a decent dinghy designed in the States, if ever?

Um, the Clarks have designed some sweet rides...

As far as mass produced, well, that would probably be the V15 in the 90s...

 

 

Swift Solo? surprising number of them around even if we don't see any class activity.

 

FB- Doug

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such a shame - i really do love the swift.maybe not as much as i might love an A-cat or moth, but a very very cool boat.

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Also, why do you hang around in Dinghy Anarchy? I don't imagine you've much to offer in terms of modern dinghy sailing?

 

What's a leadmine got to do with modern dinghy sailing anyway?

 

If it ever happens to you then you may find that a singlehander blowing away from you is no joke. I can tell you from experience its amazing how small and invisible you feel if the boat is blowing away downwind from you faster than you can swim.

 

Jim- I've been in that position and I know how it feels, not good! I've seen it happen to a K1 and the boat just turned head to wind, so all going well you'd be able to just swim over!

I was responding to a certain poster's negativity in relation to pretty much everything!

I like the idea of the VX one, I just think that without the keel it'd be tough to break into the corner that the RS100 and D One have carved themselves

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Stachel, Nice posts! We need more info on this innovative project. Someone post something!

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Stachel, Nice posts! We need more info on this innovative project. Someone post something!

Second the motion

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OK so how is this different from the RS100, D-One, RS Vareo, Laser Vago, Bongo, Hoot + Chute, Raider? This boat has to be similar to one of them as they're all sit-in kite singlehanders.

not to mention the orgy of non kite singlehanders either people just don't want boats like that or they're not marketed well in the USA but based on the results in the fairly dinghy centric UK I think the answer is people don't want them. So unless this boat is a fricken revolution/VX are marketing geniuses then it doesn't make sense. Maybe they think they are marketing geniuses given the VX-One's success or maybe that was just a really good boat.

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OK so how is this different from the RS100, D-One, RS Vareo, Laser Vago, Bongo, Hoot + Chute, Raider? This boat has to be similar to one of them as they're all sit-in kite singlehanders.

not to mention the orgy of non kite singlehanders either people just don't want boats like that or they're not marketed well in the USA but based on the results in the fairly dinghy centric UK I think the answer is people don't want them. So unless this boat is a fricken revolution/VX are marketing geniuses then it doesn't make sense. Maybe they think they are marketing geniuses given the VX-One's success or maybe that was just a really good boat.

 

The VX is a really great boat. I'm thinking it's the best I have sailed in most respects.

 

The single hander, maybe but even if it's a huge improvement over everything else, it's late to market and hitting the far-high end of the price bracket. Got a steep hill to climb. I'd love to try one though.

 

FB- Doug

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I wonder how these smaller 1 to 2 person keel/dinghy boats would fair in the really rough conditions of distance ocean travel. How would Frank Dye have done with his epic trip to Norway? Capsize recovery should be less of an issue than with the Wayfarer. Safer?

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Brian - Yer killin us!! Throw us a bone even if it is only more computer generated images. The VZ ONE got our juices flowing - now we want to see the little brother. Have pity on us!

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I have been thinking about this boat quite a bit. I have met Brian a few times and he is very smart as demonstrated by the VX one. He got everything just about spot on with that boat and it is certainly one of the best boats I have tested.

 

Having tested and sailed all the modern skiff single handers, I think for the EVO to work it needs a few things.

 

First the non-trapezing dinghies are better to sail. They are more involving - you can reach and adjust the strings with pressure changes. When on trap you sort of just hang on and ride it out. Non-trapezing are better tactically as well and therefore more fun in the long run.

 

To get the leverage of the trapeze you can just have a bit of a wing to allow the helmsman to sit further out.

 

Give the boat a bit of freeboard so different hiking styles can be employed.

 

Make it light and easily handled. The RS Aero is a revelation on this front.

 

I would have a stayed rig. This would allow the boat to suit a large range of sailors as they could tune their mast bend to suit. It should also mean a lighter rig and prevent the Finn scenario where you have to spend a fortune to find the right mast.

 

And critically, it has to be value for money. The VX one nailed this, the RS Aero nailed this and as a result they have been very successful.

 

Oh and if it could have that amazing downhill feel and speed the VX One has that would be awesome.

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Best done with Norfix pump cleats, up and down with a bungee take up system for the endless halyard/takedown line. We have such an arrangement on our AC canoes and it works great. Biggest concern is using the right diameter and single braid line that is not prone to twisting. Any friction in the system is bad and twists and blockage anywhere in the system is death. Rob Michael in the UK deserves all the credit for this very well designed, one had operation that allows one to always have a had on the tiller extension. Yaaaaaaaeee Rob. Love my AC

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Nice shot of the beginnings of the VX EVO hull on the Bennett Yachting Facebook page. How 'bout some more shots or info? Must be slow going in the dinghy market. Brian, we are getting anxious!

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Best done with Norfix pump cleats, up and down with a bungee take up system for the endless halyard/takedown line. We have such an arrangement on our AC canoes and it works great. Biggest concern is using the right diameter and single braid line that is not prone to twisting. Any friction in the system is bad and twists and blockage anywhere in the system is death. Rob Michael in the UK deserves all the credit for this very well designed, one had operation that allows one to always have a had on the tiller extension. Yaaaaaaaeee Rob. Love my AC

 

Damn straight, it is awesome, love mine also!

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Nice shot of the beginnings of the VX EVO hull on the Bennett Yachting Facebook page. How 'bout some more shots or info? Must be slow going in the dinghy market. Brian, we are getting anxious!

 

Brian put up some shots of the EVO's hull and deck. Should be in the water in just a couple of weeks. Said around 170lbs/16 feet, gave the targeted sailing weight, two rigs will be available, summer demos and some racing, full circuit in 2017.

 

Have a look.

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Can't wait to sail this fast fun single or double hander. Well thought out with centerboard and kick up rudder. A great new one design.

Love to hear more about the boat.

 

What makes it well thought out?

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Brian knows the difficulties of the market today. Brian knows how to make great boats. The Viper and VX One are proof. The VX Evo will be worth the wait, but please Brian, you are killing us here! Trying to be patient but we are just like kids on Xmas. Show us more!

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Can't wait to sail this fast fun single or double hander. Well thought out with centerboard and kick up rudder. A great new one design.

 

Love to hear more about the boat.

What makes it well thought out?

You can't tell?

Apart from the revolutionary concept of a centerboard and a kick up rudder I confess I remain uninformed by the post.

 

More seriously, language is creeping into the pre-marketing suggesting that this is double handed as well as single handed boat. I was hoping that this was going to be an unambiguous single hander. When I last saw Brian a year ago in Miami I mentioned that I found a single handler a pretty exciting and attractive prospect.

I have a slight personal bias against the crossover concept because I am an average weight guy. The crossover tends to favor either a one heavy person or two light people. I would prefer a boat designed for median weight with enough tolerance in tune and sailing characteristic to have a weight range from moderately light to moderately heavy. Not a deal killer, just my personal preference.

The crossover may have a larger market and Brian has to take account of commercial reality rather than my tastes.

 

On the other hand....it's his project so he can take account of his own personal taste.....and he is above median size. When you are in charge, you get to decide.

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Since my fighting weight is in the 130 lb range, I ALWAYS pick my friends according to their balast contribution factor.

 

I'd love to see a VX Evo that I could said, competitively, without crew. If I need crew, I'll go and sail my old-fashioned Buccaneer.

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...I see a lot of torsional rigidity for an unstayed mast....ask finnsailors what they think of that :mellow:

 

 

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How to you figure that?

I assume you mean the Gnav bar?

I've only ever seen them on stayed rigs. Have never been a huge fan either, for some reason I just don't get the feeling they are as good a solution as the traditional vang.

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...I see a lot of torsional rigidity for an unstayed mast....ask finnsailors what they think of that :mellow:

 

 

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Well at least it looks very cool

 

torsional rigidity? You mean the black semi-deck? Well only because its black it doesn't mean it is super stiff. But yes a closed profile is way stiffer (torsionally) than an upen profile...

I have sever sailed a finn (not entirely true) and never talked to one (true) so I don't know what they would say about torsinal rigitidiy, but I guess you mean that the comparably soft mast in a rigidid structure will lead to high bending moments in the mast (where it comes out of the deck) due to boat motion and to mast failures.

or something else?

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...sorry for the unclarity,, I'm referring to torsional rigidity of the hull. I'd believe those two closed side-tanks would present a lot more rigidity to side-bend in the hull. This may seem like a good thing,,,but it's been found that the gust response flexibility of a mast is best carried right through the hull....why have a nice responsive mast on what's likely a pretty rigid base?

This is all a very different dynamic than a stayed boat,,, but common knowledge among finnsailors since the early 80's. With the now common quiver of sailsizes available with these boats, it'd likely cause a premature downsizing of sail size for a given weight sailor.

 

I guess this is all a moot point in OD classes,,,but it'll make an interesting variable class to class :mellow:

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Are we sure that it won't have stays? The proto doesn't even have the sprit fitting installed on the bow extension yet.

 

 

yeh,,I'm assuming no stays,,,but I didn't realize they're planning a chute till now :mellow:

 

...stays would change all my comments :rolleyes:

 

 

....but they wouldn't need that black section of deck if there's shrouds :unsure:

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Are we sure that it won't have stays? The proto doesn't even have the sprit fitting installed on the bow extension yet.

 

 

yeh,,I'm assuming no stays,,,but I didn't realize they're planning a chute till now :mellow:

 

...stays would change all my comments :rolleyes:

 

 

....but they wouldn't need that black section of deck if there's shrouds :unsure:

Looks just like VX deck layout, and it has stays. Makes you wonder since it has a chute, but no jib. We'll know in a few days.

 

Surprised to see a Gnav. Guess with the possibility of two aboard they don't want to give up any space.

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Black bow-piece seems to be a very clever idea. Not only does it allow a stronger bow area because the mold doesn't have to be pointed all the way forward ( fragile glass work in the pointy end ) but it MAY be replaceable in the event of some bow damage. Bumper boats anyone?

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Black bow-piece seems to be a very clever idea. Not only does it allow a stronger bow area because the mold doesn't have to be pointed all the way forward ( fragile glass work in the pointy end ) but it MAY be replaceable in the event of some bow damage. Bumper boats anyone?

 

Except that it needs to not be black.

Any place south of Cape Cod that is going to become a cooktop any day when you'd want to go sailing.

 

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Fine bow layup is not that difficult frankly - The 'glass' (or similar) can naturally ends up 'short' of the bow dufing layup. You wrap it around the pointy end ... but you then use a simple narrow wood 'batten' (can be glass / carbon) that is pushed /tapped right up into the bow taking the fibre/weave with it. . The 'pusher' is then left there and incorporated into the structure... result one very strong but fine edged bow without voids or lack of 'proper' structure.. If you don't do it this way or have a workable alternative you will have problems for sure. We've been doing it this way for some time as have a number of Cat producers and it at least avoids having to produce other parts that in turn need to be attached.

 

The other reason for possibly going for an 'add on later' nose assembly is to make release from the mould tooling easier. But there are plenty of other tricks available allowing fine bows to release easily as well ... ;-)

 

But there is always more than one way to do most things ....

 

Cirrus .....

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Black bow-piece seems to be a very clever idea. Not only does it allow a stronger bow area because the mold doesn't have to be pointed all the way forward ( fragile glass work in the pointy end ) but it MAY be replaceable in the event of some bow damage. Bumper boats anyone?

 

Except that it needs to not be black.

Any place south of Cape Cod that is going to become a cooktop any day when you'd want to go sailing.

 

FB- Doug

 

Black will not be the only color available for the bow section. Can't say much more yet . ;)

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Anyone want a Viper? I'll trade you for this machine...

Why? I know you are being a bit hyperbolic and want to see how the boat works out, but why would you want to switch? It looks like it will be marginally quicker to set up, but not all that different from a VX One. Probably two to step the mast, less of a dingy and more of a sportboat logistically that will require a trailer and ramp or hoist to launch. Sixteen footer and ~170 lbs without the weighted keel.

 

Just wondering how many Viper and VXer's would switch to an Evo and why- to avoid the crew issue? Easier setup? Cost?

 

For the "where is the pole nimrods who won't be buying a boat anyway..." You can see the hole for the spirit in the aft side of the forward bulkhead- it has a piece of tape holding a cover in place. The bow fitting and sleeve hasn't been located and bonded in yet.

 

Very interesting boat. Hope it performs and handles well for a single handed skipper.

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Stachel has identified the main points for the EVO perfectly. Crew issue? Yes, no crew makes all forms of sailing easier. Easier setup? Yes, with " water access " a huge issue, the EVO makes it easier to get on the water from a public ramp, public beach or your sailing club or association. Cost? Yes, even though the EVO will not be a " cheap " boat, it will be more affordable to more people. Brian knows that you have to build a boat that fits the needs of many sailors now. I think he has another winner on his hands. Anxious to see the EVO sailing!

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