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The cruising boats that make you dream thread...

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I am sure that even people who have done serious cruising spent more time than they would like to admit dreaming about boats before actually doing it. I am not talking about the shiniest boat with the coolest gadgets from the boatshow, but the one that you would actually dream of sailing to explore somewhere you don't really know (my definition of serious cruising) even if it is just 10 nautical miles away.

 

I've actually got three :

 

Some kind of paradox like boat build in a shed :

 

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That is just because, even if I've sailed many times around Brittany, I don't really know the estuaries and that would be nice to know them intrisincally.

 

A Cognac

 

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That would bring you to the other side of the channel or the other side of the Atlantic for little money, safely and without fuss assuming you can live without modern comfort.

 

A cigale 14 :

 

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That is powerful, fast enough to make quick crossings, comfortable enough to bring onboard wife and children without risking a divorce and with enough payload to visit places that cannot be reached by air flung tourists.

 

I know that there are bigger boats, more recent boats (none of these are really new design!), bigger, faster etc... may be even "objectively superior" but that's the ones that make me dream!

 

Can you also nominate, 1, 2 or 3 boats?

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I am sure that even people who have done serious cruising spent more time than they would like to admit dreaming about boats before actually doing it. I am not talking about the shiniest boat with the coolest gadgets from the boatshow, but the one that you would actually dream of sailing to explore somewhere you don't really know (my definition of serious cruising) even if it is just 10 nautical miles away.

 

I've actually got three :

 

Some kind of paradox like boat build in a shed :

 

johanna.jpg

 

That is just because, even if I've sailed many times around Brittany, I don't really know the estuaries and that would be nice to know them intrisincally.

 

A Cognac

 

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That would bring you to the other side of the channel or the other side of the Atlantic for little money, safely and without fuss assuming you can live without modern comfort.

 

A cigale 14 :

 

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That is powerful, fast enough to make quick crossings, comfortable enough to bring onboard wife and children without risking a divorce and with enough payload to visit places that cannot be reached by air flung tourists.

 

I know that there are bigger boats, more recent boats (none of these are really new design!), bigger, faster etc... may be even "objectively superior" but that's the ones that make me dream!

 

Can you also nominate, 1, 2 or 3 boats?

 

There is an entire thread on the Paradox, and other micro-cruisers in the Cruising Anarchy forum.

 

Micro-Cruiser Anarchy

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=159787

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Amel Super Maramu. Nuff' said.

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Anyone here had a run in a Cigale?

 

Looks like a really interesting boat.

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Ed, why's it not falling over?

I've never understood that picture - it's only the one little keel isn't it? Is the child holding it up?

Ed.

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When you've whiled away as much of you life thinking about boats as I have, it's tough to narrow the field. One goes through phases....

 

Back about 1968, I climbed all over a C&C Corvette at dealer on the northern Chesapeake.I thought it was about the classiest thing that ever floated.

 

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In my multihull phase, I decided that if I were to go offshore, I would want a catamaran with all accommodation in the hulls (aside from some protection for the helm. Richard Wood's Mira was what I was thinking of:

 

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Finally, in the years before it disappeared, I worked close to the Yacht Haven yard in Stamford. There was an Oyster (probably not the same model as in the picture) that showed up from time to time. I said to myself "this is the real deal".

 

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Bonus selection: the Van de Stadt 34. Just because.

 

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CS36T...(sigh)

 

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If it were just me my two votes would go to the Flickr 20 or the Hobie 33. I know it a bit of a bipolar thing but both are trailerable and both have made ocean passages. Being trailerable opens up sooooo many more cruising grounds.

 

Sorry no pics posting from my tablet

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CS36T...(sigh)

 

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You want to go and steal Mainesail's boat? He does keep it in immaculate shape.

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PY...he's my hero. That's his boat in the pic.

 

Great website too.

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For me the boat of my dreams has to be aesthetically perfect in every way. I do not want a single line out of place. I think this boat would do very well.

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For me the boat of my dreams has to be aesthetically perfect in every way. I do not want a single line out of place. I think this boat would do very well.

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Yes, I could dream on that one.

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I agree...but one day I could own a 36T, but that beauty is way out of my league.

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For me the boat of my dreams has to be aesthetically perfect in every way. I do not want a single line out of place. I think this boat would do very well.

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Yup, that will do nicely, probably order one w/ my income tax refund.

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Can you also nominate, 1, 2 or 3 boats?

 

There is an entire thread on the Paradox, and other micro-cruisers in the Cruising Anarchy forum.

 

Micro-Cruiser Anarchy

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=159787

 

 

I know... What makes me dream about the paradox is the idea of designing and building a tiny boat. I've actually been part of a team who built a 30 footer 20 years ago and at the time promised myself to never ever do this again... seeing the paradox made me dream of building another boat hence why it features in my list.

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Anyone here had a run in a Cigale?

 

Looks like a really interesting boat.

 

No, just seen a cigale 16 sail by me. It was appearing fast, relaxed and effortless!

 

 

Ed, why's it not falling over?

I've never understood that picture - it's only the one little keel isn't it? Is the child holding it up?

Ed.

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It is flat underneath.

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I dream of my own boat. The boat I have, makes me perfectly happy.

 

I can't remember the last time it was warm and sunny enough to sit in the cockpit, while eating my dinner, sipping a beer, and watching the sun set in my lovely cove.

If winter would just release its grip on this place, my dreams would come true.

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I dream of my own boat. The boat I have, makes me perfectly happy.

 

I can't remember the last time it was warm and sunny enough to sit in the cockpit, while eating my dinner, sipping a beer, and watching the sun set in my lovely cove.

If winter would just release its grip on this place, my dreams would come true.

 

S'posed to be 70F on Thursday - might be your day!

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I dream of my own boat. The boat I have, makes me perfectly happy.

 

I can't remember the last time it was warm and sunny enough to sit in the cockpit, while eating my dinner, sipping a beer, and watching the sun set in my lovely cove.

If winter would just release its grip on this place, my dreams would come true.

 

S'posed to be 70F on Thursday - might be your day!

 

 

...and T-storms/pouring rain. I just had this funny image of me, sitting in the cockpit in full foulies, in a downpour, eating spaghetti-o's direct from the can, all while still tied to the dock.

Seriously though, tomorrow might be a better bet. It'll still be cool, but warmer than today, more sun and not as blustery as Thursday.

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Deckplan.jpg

 

Baltic 38, Douglas Peterson, probably my favorite (ok among my 10 favorites), wpuld be nice to cruise on her.

 

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Tara Tari (designer: Marc Van Peteghem), built with fiberglass and jute fibers. Steam punk boat, pure class (I would shut the hatch though).

 

 

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A honest, skinny 41 ft aluminum boat... The concept is a dream... probably not a necessary dream...

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I dream of my own boat. The boat I have, makes me perfectly happy.

 

I can't remember the last time it was warm and sunny enough to sit in the cockpit, while eating my dinner, sipping a beer, and watching the sun set in my lovely cove.

If winter would just release its grip on this place, my dreams would come true.

Me too Ajax, I am already living my dream, but it's fun to use some lateral thinking...

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I dream of my own boat. The boat I have, makes me perfectly happy.

 

I can't remember the last time it was warm and sunny enough to sit in the cockpit, while eating my dinner, sipping a beer, and watching the sun set in my lovely cove.

If winter would just release its grip on this place, my dreams would come true.

May be that's your actual dream :

 

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Ok, I get my coat...

 

@psychosailing : cool boats!

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Some time back. about three years ago I think, I drew this for myself. It's all the boat I would ever need.

 

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If they were smart, the folks at International Marine (West Wight Potter) would buy that design from you. It's the perfect line extension for them.

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Anyone here had a run in a Cigale?

 

Looks like a really interesting boat.

 

No, just seen a cigale 16 sail by me. It was appearing fast, relaxed and effortless!

 

 

Ed, why's it not falling over?

I've never understood that picture - it's only the one little keel isn't it? Is the child holding it up?

Ed.

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It is flat underneath.

 

 

 

But it's no more than a metre wide - must be less, even. Seems it wouldn't take much to topple it?

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It's also sunk into the muck 500 cm.

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Baltic 38, Douglas Peterson, probably my favorite (ok among my 10 favorites), wpuld be nice to cruise on her.

 

Capucine+Trochet+TaraTari+Atlantique.JPG

 

Tara Tari (designer: Marc Van Peteghem), built with fiberglass and jute fibers. Steam punk boat, pure class (I would shut the hatch though).

 

 

 

 

 

Gosh - many thanks for introducing me to TT and Capucine. I am very much in love now.

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I dream of my own boat. The boat I have, makes me perfectly happy.

 

I can't remember the last time it was warm and sunny enough to sit in the cockpit, while eating my dinner, sipping a beer, and watching the sun set in my lovely cove.

If winter would just release its grip on this place, my dreams would come true.

I like how you think Ajax! My boat makes me perfectly happy as well and she will do just fine to cruise around FL, the Bahamas and the Caribbean for a year or two or more. Just deciding on when to pull the plug on work for some time is the question...

 

But if the game is to pick a boat you don't have:

Fishing: Pursuit 30 with twin 300 Suzuki 4 strokers on the back.

Sailing: Swan 46 that I saw at the boat show, must have been about ten years ago at this point. I don't think many were built as I have yet to see one since. I know pics or it did not happen. I remember she had a stacking washer dryer and a lifting keel.

 

LOL! What do you know there is one for sale right across the Bay.

 

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2005/Nautor-Swan-46-2384564/Oxford/MD/United-States#.VRFzwOFO2pw

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Thanks Istream. The idea behind that sketch was to take my 26'er and retain the features it had while reducing LOA and improving performance.

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Cruisin' Loser and I were talking about bigger boats over the weekend (we both have Souwester 42s).

 

We both come to the same place over and over again. 25,000 lbs is big enough. More than that and the benefits (a bigger cramped space, a bit more seakindly) do not make up for the more difficult handling.

 

Big enough to require a paid crew and things other than sailing really start taking up mindspace.

 

Tucky, do you really want a 60' tri? How would you keep/sail her?

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I've loved the dashew 80 Beowulf since I first saw her in the early 2000's. hands down my favorite modern boat. absolutely love it.

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Tucky, do you really want a 60' tri? How would you keep/sail her?

 

While Paradox is a financial fantasy for me, there is nothing about that boat that would not work as a cruiser, and I'm quite sure I could learn where the edge is. Think of her like driving in a Porsche- Paradox is detuned substantially from the ORMA tris she is based on, so she has plenty of float volume. She sleeps four which is the cruising or passage crew she needs, and the owner sails her alone quite a bit. She has an anchor handling system and powered winches, etc.

 

Might have to sharpen the leading edge of the rudders to deal with Maine lobster pots. I'm guessing she is under 15,000 lbs, maybe close to 10,000, so she meets your criteria for weight:-)

 

http://www.nigelirens.com/boats/sail-boats/paradox

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I don't know what she rates in IRC but more like the kind of boat I would dream for a RORC season!

 

 

 

Cruisin' Loser and I were talking about bigger boats over the weekend (we both have Souwester 42s).

 

We both come to the same place over and over again. 25,000 lbs is big enough. More than that and the benefits (a bigger cramped space, a bit more seakindly) do not make up for the more difficult handling.

 

Big enough to require a paid crew and things other than sailing really start taking up mindspace.

 

Tucky, do you really want a 60' tri? How would you keep/sail her?

25000 lbs is already big in my books... For me the psychological displacement beyond which it is hardwork is 8 to 10 metric tons. (17.6 to 22000 lbs). The cigale 14 is actually already at the top end of this.

I remember racing a j133 across the channel thinking not sure I would enjoy this with a crew of 4. I suppose that when you are cruising it is a bit different as it is OK to be underpowered.

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My perfect boat means a boat I can sail and dock by myself. I can't always round up a crew of four nor do I want to. I want to be able to dock the boat under sail or power without looking like a jack ass.

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I dream of my own boat. The boat I have, makes me perfectly happy.

 

I can't remember the last time it was warm and sunny enough to sit in the cockpit, while eating my dinner, sipping a beer, and watching the sun set in my lovely cove.

If winter would just release its grip on this place, my dreams would come true.

 

S'posed to be 70F on Thursday - might be your day!

 

 

...and T-storms/pouring rain. I just had this funny image of me, sitting in the cockpit in full foulies, in a downpour, eating spaghetti-o's direct from the can, all while still tied to the dock.

Seriously though, tomorrow might be a better bet. It'll still be cool, but warmer than today, more sun and not as blustery as Thursday.

 

I would hope you would be wearing the captain obvious hat as well.

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My perfect boat means a boat I can sail and dock by myself. I can't always round up a crew of four nor do I want to. I want to be able to dock the boat under sail or power without looking like a jack ass.

 

I can relate to this, 2 of my 3 nominations meet this criterion. I suppose that lowers (for me) the displacement limit to about 3 metric tons.

 

As a kid swans used to make me dream, later I delivered a swan 442 from south Britanny to St Malo and that broke the dream. Sure you could steer the thing upwind with 2 fingers and it would start gliding effortlessly with 5 knots of wind but tacking was really hard work and that took all the fun out of the equation even if we were 3 fit guys and a girl on board. Got to crew on a racing one once a few years later and that was fun just upwind.

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My perfect boat means a boat I can sail and dock by myself. I can't always round up a crew of four nor do I want to. I want to be able to dock the boat under sail or power without looking like a jack ass.

 

Bob, that's what I think now too - is it a geezer thing do you think? ;)

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My perfect boat means a boat I can sail and dock by myself. I can't always round up a crew of four nor do I want to. I want to be able to dock the boat under sail or power without looking like a jack ass.

 

Bob, that's what I think now too - is it a geezer thing do you think? ;)

 

 

Must be...I'm still happy with our 35'er, but I can see a time when it might seem too big for singlehanding. Changing from a 135 to a 105 would make it a lot easier. My shoulders are not as grind-happy as they used to be.

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My perfect boat means a boat I can sail and dock by myself. I can't always round up a crew of four nor do I want to. I want to be able to dock the boat under sail or power without looking like a jack ass.

YUP!

 

That is what determined the size of FRANCIS LEE. Based on my experience with a number of different boats, Bob and I figured that the Perry Sliver Daysailor design was the max I could handle by myself. So far she has been a pussycat when I have taken her out by myself. AND she is well under 25,000 pounds (at 19,000 +/-.)

 

Of course I thought about her for 50 years before I pulled the trigger and had her built, so one would hope I got it right. Thanks to Bob and many more other talented people, we got her spot on.

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Talking this weekend, and one criterion for boat ownership was raised: you should be able to write a cheque for a new mast without worrying about it.

Quite like that.

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Talking this weekend, and one criterion for boat ownership was raised: you should be able to write a cheque for a new mast without worrying about it.

Quite like that.

 

Well, that would limit me to something about 16' long. Fortunately, I have insurance. :)

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Thanks Istream. The idea behind that sketch was to take my 26'er and retain the features it had while reducing LOA and improving performance.

I've always loved that little packet Bob. But in my mind, I usually take a small boat and lengthen it by 30-60% but keep the same interior, beam and freeboard. (give me l.w.l. but not all the other baggage that usually gets crammed in every time the length increases...hmm, sounds like the Sliver.....)

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Veegs: I have a different idea everyday. I think if I were to try that "Bob"s boat" over again I would do just as you said. I'd stretch it out to maybe 35 or 38'. Mini Sliver style. But stay tuned. I may have a new custom built boat in the works for myself. To hell with what I need. Now it's all about what I need for my granddaughter so I can introduce her to the joy of sailing. I'm not ready to show anyone yet. I really don't want to deal with all the "Did you ever think of,,,,,," I have thought and I am done thinking. When it's in the water I'll post pics. Give me two months.

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Talking this weekend, and one criterion for boat ownership was raised: you should be able to write a cheque for a new mast without worrying about it.

Quite like that.

 

I don't - I'd have to think carefully about Laser ownership.

 

Frankly I doubt that criterion would fit the vast majority of sailboat owners

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Talking this weekend, and one criterion for boat ownership was raised: you should be able to write a cheque for a new mast without worrying about it.

Quite like that.

 

Ugh. I guess my current Daysailer II about does it for me then. :lol:

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Veegs: I have a different idea everyday. I think if I were to try that "Bob"s boat" over again I would do just as you said. I'd stretch it out to maybe 35 or 38'. Mini Sliver style. But stay tuned. I may have a new custom built boat in the works for myself. To hell with what I need. Now it's all about what I need for my granddaughter so I can introduce her to the joy of sailing. I'm not ready to show anyone yet. I really don't want to deal with all the "Did you ever think of,,,,,," I have thought and I am done thinking. When it's in the water I'll post pics. Give me two months.

Ha! Different idea everyday? You should see my pile of sketches! (it's still only my sketches since I'm discovering that doing a software startup company is a cash hog and the pot at the end of the rainbow still remains 'just around the corner'!)

 

And the clock is counting-- so I'll give you til Memorial Day for the pics.

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My perfect boat means a boat I can sail and dock by myself. I can't always round up a crew of four nor do I want to. I want to be able to dock the boat under sail or power without looking like a jack ass.

Bob, that's what I think now too - is it a geezer thing do you think? ;)

Might not be, I'm under 30 but a few goes at docking a 38' multi with 20knots on the beam has reminded me why bigger isn't always better.

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Veegs:

I'm figuring my birthday, June 25. It would be a nice present. "From Bob to Bob on account of being such a nice guy".

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Bob - can't wait to see what you come up with for yourself. I used to sketch boats all the time, even before the Landing School, don't do that much any more but it's always fun to think "what if", especially in a realistic way. No 80 footers please.

 

I've always thought of displacement as a better way to judge the size of a boat. When I was looking for my current boat the ability to singlehand was very important. My previous boat was easy for me to sail at 10k lbs, new boat is even easier at 11,600 with a much bigger engine (38 hp vs 18). Sure she could be a little faster, or be a bit more roomy, but in reality for living aboard and sailing alone she's just about perfect. And pretty too! Of course I still make mental sketches...

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Baltic 38, Douglas Peterson, probably my favorite (ok among my 10 favorites), wpuld be nice to cruise on her.

 

Capucine+Trochet+TaraTari+Atlantique.JPG

 

Tara Tari (designer: Marc Van Peteghem), built with fiberglass and jute fibers. Steam punk boat, pure class (I would shut the hatch though).

 

 

 

 

 

Gosh - many thanks for introducing me to TT and Capucine. I am very much in love now.

 

 

You are welcome, it's so easy to fall in love with their story...

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"I've always thought of displacement as a better way to judge the size of a boat."

 

I think that is the wise way Brodie. Displ measures the materials in the boat, not LOA.

 

I'll let the cat out of the bag when I have something to show off. There are still a couple of hurdles yet. I think I will surprise you. I've already surprised me.

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I think I can grow a bit with the current ride, I moved on from the little trimaran in the photo to something a bit, well, bigger.

 

I was chatting with a former 50 owner who has an Alerion 38, loves her boat but said all she would have had to do was put electric winches on her old boat and she'd have gotten another 10 years out of it.

 

Maybe I can grow old(er) with this one.

 

 

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Personal boat of "From a Bare Hull" author Ferenc Mate.

 

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1992/Bruce-King-41%27-Ketch-2826085/Sidney/Canada

 

How anyone could bear to sell a boat like that is beyond me.

 

 

The boat that launched a thousand dreams.

 

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/Westsail-32-2826210/Wilmington/CA/United-States

 

If those are recent pics that is amazingly cheap even for a project.

Great boats for dreamers...

 

We want photos :

 

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I think that these boats have a bit of a "Corto Maltese" dimension :

 

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A nice Antares 44, or the older PDQ even has always been my end game boat. Big enough to cover some serious miles and comfortable while your doing it. Not overly complicated that a couple can't handle it.

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The boat that launched a thousand dreams.

 

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/Westsail-32-2826210/Wilmington/CA/United-States

 

If those are recent pics that is amazingly cheap even for a project.

 

I presume posting the two options was intentional, as Mate's first "Warm Rain" was a Westsail 32. I was aboard his Westsail when he listed it in Vancouver some 15 years ago. Some of the sails were never out of the bag. I believe he only uses his Vancouver-based boats 2-4 weeks a year, hence the 460 hours on the engine of the King designed boat.

 

Starkers

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Personal boat of "From a Bare Hull" author Ferenc Mate.

 

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1992/Bruce-King-41'-Ketch-2826085/Sidney/Canada

 

How anyone could bear to sell a boat like that is beyond me.

Stunningly beautiful boat. Just a huge wow-wow-wow-wow-wow factor.

 

But with all that exposed woodwork, I expect that maintenance bills are in the if-you-have-to-ask-you-can't-afford-it category :(

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For another perspective. Larger boats are certainly more work and more costly and what is the "right size" boat is as individual as your fingerprint or iris. There is no correct answer for another regarding the size question. But we like a larger boat and are willing to do the work and pay the money for a larger boat and enjoy it greatly. We've owned Joli for 15 years, it's 65,000#, 61 foot overall and carries an airdraft of 93'. The thing I most like about the boat is the speed and power it sails at with a minimum of fuss in conditions that make a smaller lighter boat leave passengers heaving. I like the room to carry gear and spares, the motion at anchor and the feeling a rock solid large boat offers. Over my years of racing I always envied the larger boat sailing by with a smooth and calm motion while we had the full crew parked on the back of the bus trying to keep nose out of the drink. A 30 knot breeze downhill on a 35 footer is a different experience then a 30 knot breeze on a 60 footer. We've sailed Joli in 45 with just a storm staysail, it's pedestrian and boring even though boat speed is in the low teens. The other question that comes up is can the boat be sailed short handed for us the answer is yes. Polly and I sail Joli alot, we enjoy overnight trips but we are limited by a lake length of 241 miles ( ie we get one overnight sail before we run out of lake) and if we feel conditions are too difficult to consider docking we toss the pick in the bay and wait for the weather to change and relax. Putting the boat away is a non issue with systems we've developed over the years and docking is generally sedate, the boat does not blow around much.

 

At the end of the day we all have different skills, means and dreams, that is a very good thing it keeps guys like Bob busy and Catalina building boats.

 

Polly and I breaking down Joli for the winter.

 

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At anchor for a few days.

 

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Joli,

 

Good points about bigger and weather. Was aboard my sons' charge last fall. 60' (70,000 displ.) in 55 knots. Staysail, double reef main, off the quarter. speeds in low to mid teens and once all settled in it was fun. My 40' (18,000 displ.) would have been OK, but I am sure it would have been a much different experience.

 

Is that a C & C design?

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Sail, it's one of the C&C 61's. Lotta fun to cruise, very easy to sail but we very rarely race it.

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I am currently landlocked and in no physical condition to do much on a boat except sit somewhere out of the way. I enjoy my "dream" boat every morning as I sit in my man cave with my coffee. I go everywhere and anywhere on it, in any weather and I love every minute of it. Thanks Bob.

 

 

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The boat that launched a thousand dreams.

 

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/Westsail-32-2826210/Wilmington/CA/United-States

 

If those are recent pics that is amazingly cheap even for a project.

 

I presume posting the two options was intentional, as Mate's first "Warm Rain" was a Westsail 32. I was aboard his Westsail when he listed it in Vancouver some 15 years ago. Some of the sails were never out of the bag. I believe he only uses his Vancouver-based boats 2-4 weeks a year, hence the 460 hours on the engine of the King designed boat.

 

Starkers

 

'Zactly. I too checked out Warm Rain when she was for sale at T-Bird years ago. Gorgeous boat - I think Mate is pretty OCD. IIRC they wanted about $100K for it which was a big premium for the name recognition factor.

 

Look how that compares with the one in L.A.

 

A friend was selling the house Mate built with his FABH money - the first waterfront house past Race Rock boatyard. It was a Dan White design and I knew who Mate was so we had a look. It was really beat up - looked like rock stars had been renting it. Hard to reconcile that house being designed & built for the same person as those boats. It looks great from the outside with those overlapping rectangle proportions but inside it's all staircases - a housewife killer as they used to call them. The inside was panelled with vertical cedar that matched the outside. Dramatic but odd and I didn't like it. Still love the exterior though.

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Schionning G-Force 1500. I've got my eye on a Schionning thats on my half of the globe but I'm not quite sure that I'm all in yet. They don't come around our end of the marble too often apparently.

 

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The one that inspired me since 12 years old. Black-Soo by van de Stadt.

The other one was, is the Kurun the Dervin's design for Jacques-Yves Le Toumelin.

I guess I am all over the place.

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The one that inspired me since 12 years old. Black-Soo by van de Stadt.

The other one was, is the Kurun the Dervin's design for Jacques-Yves Le Toumelin.

I guess I am all over the place.

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No worries Sir, many of us have the same problem: we like way too many different boats!

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kimbottles. You should see the one I am working on.

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I always thought Will Porter's design for Bob was pretty close. I'm working on my design brief to adapt it to what I'd want, but Will came pretty close. I also like Bob's 21footer for himself......might have to start a thread to have WLYDO help me refine the brief...but honestly I'm some years from being able to execute it, and so don't want to waste anyone's time either...

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Different boats for different dreams.

 

My current boat is a dream; a Perry 28 footer that sails well and I can singlehand easily. But it's not for crossing oceans.

 

I'd love to do something like the Everglades Challenge; A good rowing boat with a mast or two, and maybe even a place to hide from the bugs.

 

I dream of a trip down the intercoastal; that needs shallow draft, maybe a catboat or catamaran. And the right companion (separate dream).

 

I dream of an extended loop of the Carribean; that would be something comfortable, possibly even a bene/hanse/whatever.

 

I dream of extended ocean passages, Hawaii, Polynesia and beyond; that's the aluminum 40 footer.

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Your dreams of the Glades Challenge and the Intracoastal sound like you should be reviewing the Bolger design catalogue.

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kimbottles. You should see the one I am working on.

 

If I PM you my email address will you send me Drawings?

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Your dreams of the Glades Challenge and the Intracoastal sound like you should be reviewing the Bolger design catalogue.

Nah, I'm a traditionalist, while I respect Bolger, they are just too 'out there' for my taste.

For the IC, I'd need an actual comfy cruiser, while the EC is 'micro/minimalist', and I wouldn't want something specialized, more like a good old workboat that I could also use for fishing, diving, exercise, etc. (and leave at my sister's house in St James City)

 

Just to grab a couple of illustrative images of 'not bolger' boats....

 

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this'll do

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I once lusted after a Concordia Yawl, but I'm not a cruising boat kinda guy, and I never wanted to own one. I would still enjoy sailing one in her conditions though. Beautiful though to my eye...

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Your dreams of the Glades Challenge and the Intracoastal sound like you should be reviewing the Bolger design catalogue.

Nah, I'm a traditionalist, while I respect Bolger, they are just too 'out there' for my taste.

For the IC, I'd need an actual comfy cruiser, while the EC is 'micro/minimalist', and I wouldn't want something specialized, more like a good old workboat that I could also use for fishing, diving, exercise, etc. (and leave at my sister's house in St James City)

 

Just to grab a couple of illustrative images of 'not bolger' boats....

 

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I really like that catboat - what is it?

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This'll work for me.

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I really like that catboat - what is it?

 

 

Marshall 22

 

http://www.marshallcat.com/

 

 

Neat looking catboat. Anyone know what that type of rudder/helm arrangement is called?

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That's called an outboard "barn door" rudder if you really need a name for it. It's just a very typical catboat rudder style.

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http://www.sandemanyachtcompany.co.uk/details/408/Mead-38-ft-Gaff-Cutter-1926/yacht-for-sale/

 

The above is a boat that started or massively influenced our cruising boat plans. We both completely fell in love with her from adverts and I spent a lot of energy trying to find something I didn't like about her. I couldn't see any reason that she wasn't the most beautiful boat I'd seen, but had no intentions or interest in a gaff rigged boat. But I couldnt get her out of my mind and rang the vendor saying that it was bonkers to think of a middle aged (for now) couple who'd never had such a boat to think about, but I was in love.

 

He completely put me at ease, describing world wide sailing with just him and his wife, and apologising that the boat was already sold. This led to a flirtation with a different but similar boat which turned into a love affair. He was right. Gaff rig is lovely, and easy, even for oldsters.

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http://www.sandemanyachtcompany.co.uk/details/408/Mead-38-ft-Gaff-Cutter-1926/yacht-for-sale/

 

The above is a boat that started or massively influenced our cruising boat plans. We both completely fell in love with her from adverts and I spent a lot of energy trying to find something I didn't like about her. I couldn't see any reason that she wasn't the most beautiful boat I'd seen, but had no intentions or interest in a gaff rigged boat. But I couldnt get her out of my mind and rang the vendor saying that it was bonkers to think of a middle aged (for now) couple who'd never had such a boat to think about, but I was in love.

 

He completely put me at ease, describing world wide sailing with just him and his wife, and apologising that the boat was already sold. This led to a flirtation with a different but similar boat which turned into a love affair. He was right. Gaff rig is lovely, and easy, even for oldsters.

She is a lovely boat, I can see why you were smitten!

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Psycho: That's a good dream. Now add a cove stripe and it will be perfect.

 

Thank god there is already a stack visible for the stove, considering the background.

 

I'd think decent heating would be more essential than a cove stripe :P

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Sometimes I also have this type of dream. Sometimes I dream tiny...

 

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That's a beauty all right, very inspiring.

There have been no less than 3 Elver/Eels for sale on Craigslist in our general area this past winter. One was actually not far away I and I took a look at it on my way to drive somewhere else- a botch/kludge unfortunately. No way of guessing what the others were like. This is not an "instant boat" and many home builders would be far over their heads producing a good one. But it's worth could easily go negative.

 

Many people have the dream to build a boat, more than to sail/cruise one. Nothing wrong with that!

 

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Sometimes I also have this type of dream. Sometimes I dream tiny...

 

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That's a beauty all right, very inspiring.

There have been no less than 3 Elver/Eels for sale on Craigslist in our general area this past winter. One was actually not far away I and I took a look at it on my way to drive somewhere else- a botch/kludge unfortunately. No way of guessing what the others were like. This is not an "instant boat" and many home builders would be far over their heads producing a good one. But it's worth could easily go negative.

 

Many people have the dream to build a boat, more than to sail/cruise one. Nothing wrong with that!

 

FB- Doug

 

 

I wonder how you land when cruising... you just beach the whole thing? carrying a dinghy is out of question of course...

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I wonder how you land when cruising... you just beach the whole thing? carrying a dinghy is out of question of course...

 

 

Inflate the (small) dinghy....

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That's called an outboard "barn door" rudder if you really need a name for it. It's just a very typical catboat rudder style.

 

Actually, I was more curious about the reverse wheel arrangement, with the steering rig in the stern and no binnacle. Perhaps to save on cockpit space and simplify the steering rig? I've seen a couple of home built steel sloops with a similar arrangement and I've always been curious why it's done like that. This little cat boat would definitely be more appealing with tiller steering.

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That's called an outboard "barn door" rudder if you really need a name for it. It's just a very typical catboat rudder style.

 

Actually, I was more curious about the reverse wheel arrangement, with the steering rig in the stern and no binnacle. Perhaps to save on cockpit space and simplify the steering rig? I've seen a couple of home built steel sloops with a similar arrangement and I've always been curious why it's done like that. This little cat boat would definitely be more appealing with tiller steering.

 

To me ALL sailboats are more appealing with a tiller.......

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Hover: If I understand the setup correctly then my IP31 is set up like Marshall 22. We have an Edson Rack and pinion system installed on our boat. The system is provides good feel when steering and is quite heavy duty. In fact iit shows no perceptible wear and tear and the boat was built in 1985.

 

Not sure if the Marshall has the weather helm that cat boats are famous for. If it does, it may be less fatiguing with the wheel (judicious use of the wheel brake) vs a tiller.

 

From The Edson catalog:

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