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9 hours ago, mustang__1 said:
On 12/15/2018 at 4:47 AM, Shootist Jeff said:

So sometimes flying the aluminum tube from hell ain’t so bad. I’m in the way back from a business trip to the US and I got upgraded to first class (Emirates) because they were overbooked in business.   Lucky me. I’ve never flown up front on the EK A380. 

Ho Lee Fuk!  

Mile high club in the lavatory???  You could get 3 hookers in there comfortably. 5 easily if they are Vietnamese hookers.

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yeah but wouldnt you rather ferry an F15 across the atlantic instead? 

Oh HELLZ NO!  Been there done, done that.  Have numerous T-shirts to prove it.  There is nothing fun about doing that trip strapped into an ejection seat for 15 hours.  And trust me...... refueling in the weather, at night, 11x before getting to the Euro coast while peeing into a small plastic bag is not as much fun as eating a Filet and drinking a nice Napa Cab Sauv served by a hot 5'9" Romanian stew.

Gawd I wished I could have done all my deployments in "ruling class".  I might have stayed in longer.  ;)

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still sounds more pleasant than the last few overnight races i've done... (that's only half true, miami to havanna was fucking sublime - downwind sleigh ride.... the others.... not so much)

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On 12/17/2018 at 7:17 AM, mustang__1 said:

still sounds more pleasant than the last few overnight races i've done... (that's only half true, miami to havanna was fucking sublime - downwind sleigh ride.... the others.... not so much)

Hence the reason I'm not a big offshore racer.  I've done it enough to know that I don't completely enjoy it.  

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On 5/4/2015 at 11:18 PM, Great Red Shark said:

Far and away the worst aspect of the traveling experience is NOT the equipment or policies of the outfit you booked with, it's the interaction, or even just being in proximity to much of the Goddamn Traveling Public.

 

Once upon a time people dressed up to travel by air. It was special. Dads in suits, women dressed in skirts - heck even with the smoking there was a largely understood principle of politeness.

 

Not Anymore.

 

So many of our fellow humanoids are entirely bereft of ANY awareness at their level of self-absorption that stinking, blaring music, ignoring basic instruction, and common rudeness to everyone unfortunate enough to be in contact with them are standard operating procedure for a lot of 'people'.

 

These folks really ought to become acquainted with a cattle prod.

 

"Sir, I'm sorry but our gas chromograph indicates you smell worse than week-dead roadkill and we cannot allow you to board in this condition - either take a hot shower immediately and burn those clothes or you can just stay here in Fresno (where you fucking belong)."

 

"Sir, the lady in seated front of you has requested YOUR child stop kicking the seat, now - we understand the tot has no respect for you as you are clearly a crappy parent, but if you can't have him behave we will need to escort both of you to a locked cage in the hold with an airsick great dane for the duration of the flight."

 

Because as the airline goes its a business decision - you get this for that, and it's either worth it or not - but your fellow passengers ? Fuck me, but some of them really need to be reprogrammed like the robots in Woody Allen's "The Sleeper" where they yank their heads off.

DING FUCKING DING!!!!  This is an old thread (Mad made me dig it up), but THIS ^^ really needs repeating.  I love flying, but I hate traveling with fellow humans.  They are almost all cunts and they generally make the experience miserable.  

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everybody's a cunt but you and me...and i'm not convinced about you!

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Flying Frontier next week. I didn't book 'em.

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Spirit ditto. Not if over 1 hour. NO WAY on 4+ flight. Ask for a root canal and then a 2x price flight on another flight with 9 stopovers.

Why? Their tix brag about how narrow their seats are so you can make friends, and how they don't recline to save space. Yeah. Every airine CEO needs to fly the cheapest seat their airline has incognito. Twice a month. 

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15 minutes ago, Borax Johnson said:

Spirit ditto. Not if over 1 hour. NO WAY on 4+ flight. Ask for a root canal and then a 2x price flight on another flight with 9 stopovers.

Why? Their tix brag about how narrow their seats are so you can make friends, and how they don't recline to save space. Yeah. Every airine CEO needs to fly the cheapest seat their airline has incognito. Twice a month. 

I don't recline my seat in an aircraft, so not having the passenger in the seat in front of me reclining their seat into my knees is a bonus.

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6 hours ago, slap said:

I don't recline my seat in an aircraft, so not having the passenger in the seat in front of me reclining their seat into my knees is a bonus.

Yep, I never recline in economy.  I find the position more uncomfortable than upright.  I hate when the moment the gear starts moving after liftoff, the shitbag in front of me slams the seat back to recline and I've got his or her smelly hair in my lap.  

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4 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Yep, I never recline in economy.  I find the position more uncomfortable than upright.  I hate when the moment the gear starts moving after liftoff, the shitbag in front of me slams the seat back to recline and I've got his or her smelly hair in my lap.  

First you complain about tattooed prostitutes, now smelly hair in your lap, I am sensing a trend here.  Maybe it's time you upped your game and stop looking for entertainment in dark alleys.

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I held up the queue at mount pleasant airfield when a bit of foil off some sweets(candy) set off the machine.. The foil had got stuck in the lining of a jacket pocket and took some time to find.. There was no carry on luggage allowed everything had to go in the hold or be in your pockets.  The excess precautions was to stop squadies bringing back anicient ammo from the Falklands.

Since I was bringing boxes of metal cased equipment back with me I could have hidden anything in there, especially as I had the seals for the boxes. However bringing back in an aircraft, live ammo that has spent some time exposed on a Falklands hillside did not appeal.

Saudi Airlines does not serve alcohol which is why we tried to avoid it where possible. A friend had a solution , inject oranges with vodka for the trip out, and sadiki (illicit spirits) on the way back.

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 I love flying, but I hate traveling with fellow humans. 

Starting to look like "The People of Walmart" at our local terminal....   50+ yr old overweight dude in shorts, flip flops and tank top looking like he just came off a week-long bender.    Seriously ?     And that flight was cancelled, so he got to marinate in the terminal another 3+ hrs..... thank gawd I found a connection on a different flight.

 

On a related note, I have not read up much on the recent Aeroflot crash.    A flight attendant friend commented the evacuation was slow due to people in the front of the plane getting their luggage out of the overhead....    

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Maybe the more and more shitty airline flying gets, the better chance GA has of making a comeback and getting some economies of scale again... 

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7 minutes ago, IrieMon said:

Starting to look like "The People of Walmart" at our local terminal....   50+ yr old overweight dude in shorts, flip flops and tank top looking like he just came off a week-long bender.    Seriously ?     And that flight was cancelled, so he got to marinate in the terminal another 3+ hrs..... thank gawd I found a connection on a different flight.

 

On a related note, I have not read up much on the recent Aeroflot crash.    A flight attendant friend commented the evacuation was slow due to people in the front of the plane getting their luggage out of the overhead....    

I can remember the days when people used to dress smartly to fly and it wasn't that long ago either.

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46 minutes ago, mustang__1 said:

Maybe the more and more shitty airline flying gets, the better chance GA has of making a comeback and getting some economies of scale again... 

 

That would be nice, but doubtful.  I can usually fly from New England to South Carolina or Florida for $250 round trip or less, if booked several months in advance.  That is way less than driving or taking GA.  

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2 minutes ago, billy backstay said:

 

That would be nice, but doubtful.  I can usually fly from New England to South Carolina or Florida for $250 round trip or less, if booked several months in advance.  That is way less than driving or taking GA.  

yeah... Familiar. However, last year "I" spent close to a gran to get from Philly to Springfield MO - by way of motherfuckingfuckingdallas. Flying GA would have been faster and cheaper  - aside from the very expensive maintenance we were in the middle of ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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19 minutes ago, mustang__1 said:

yeah... Familiar. However, last year "I" spent close to a gran to get from Philly to Springfield MO - by way of motherfuckingfuckingdallas. Flying GA would have been faster and cheaper  - aside from the very expensive maintenance we were in the middle of ¯_(ツ)_/¯

 

Yes, if you have access to a plane and your private license.  I was one 2-stop solo and a check ride away from getting mine in 2002, when I came down with Guillane-Barre syndrome, and I was sidelined for half a year, then never finished it, too busy with other stuff.

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3 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

I hate when the moment the gear starts moving after liftoff, the shitbag in front of me slams the seat back to recline and I've got his or her smelly hair in my lap.  

Add this to your OpSepcs takeoff list...

#4 - Put knees firmly against the seat in-front until reaching altitude to maintain proper pitch for forward seat.

#5 - For seat induced space restrictions initiate BTOA (buffeting, turbulence, and oscillation annoyance flow) to reduce forward seat pitch. 

Hasn't failed me yet.... B)

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28 minutes ago, mustang__1 said:

yeah... Familiar. However, last year "I" spent close to a gran to get from Philly to Springfield MO - by way of motherfuckingfuckingdallas. Flying GA would have been faster and cheaper  - aside from the very expensive maintenance we were in the middle of ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Not this time of year...

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Fuck you all for restarting this thread a day before I leave on a trans Atlantic flight that boards tomorrow evening and lands at the final destination the next night local time.

Flying on BA with a Heathrow stopover, this has all the potential for its own "Rant about flying" thread.

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Are those anti-recline seat blockers still a thing?

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Oh stop with the reclining thing.  Geez.  It ain't all that bad.  Some of us have medical issues that require the recline.  My back and hips are shot, No way I can sit bolt upright for 15 mins. let alone a couple of hrs without some serious issues.  You don't let me recline?? Well I will be trying to bounce the thing back every 2 mins till it does and when it breaks, then you will really see what its like to  have someone's hair in your face...   

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47 minutes ago, pbd said:

Fuck you all for restarting this thread a day before I leave on a trans Atlantic flight that boards tomorrow evening and lands at the final destination the next night local time.

Flying on BA with a Heathrow stopover, this has all the potential for its own "Rant about flying" thread.

 

BA is way better equipment and service than all US airlines.  Used BA and Turkish Air for one of our last trips to Europe, and the difference in quality on all levels is palpable.

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1 hour ago, billy backstay said:

 

BA is way better equipment and service than all US airlines.  Used BA and Turkish Air for one of our last trips to Europe, and the difference in quality on all levels is palpable.

Yeah but, but, but HEATHROW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!     

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For work travel I've found it's cheaper to fly first class on another airline than business select on SW, especially coast to coast. Given the usual number of SW preboarders, even in A1-A16 on SW I can end up in a plain old economy seat for $1200.  On shorter routes like BWI - DTW I've had Delta first class under $200.

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4 hours ago, shaggy said:

Oh stop with the reclining thing.  Geez.  It ain't all that bad.  Some of us have medical issues that require the recline.  My back and hips are shot, No way I can sit bolt upright for 15 mins. let alone a couple of hrs without some serious issues.  You don't let me recline?? Well I will be trying to bounce the thing back every 2 mins till it does and when it breaks, then you will really see what its like to  have someone's hair in your face...   

What ever you do, don't fly Spirit as they have done away with reclining seats in economy. You want comfort with them, pay for the Big Front Seat...  Heard that Virgin America/Alaska, Delta along with a few other are gonna start installing seats that hardly recline at all.

 

 

 

 

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At the risk of going the other way on complaining...

I wish there was a more elegant way to wrap up a week long trip abroad where you have to take a taxi, 2 trains, a 1.5 hr subway through Shanghai to get to the airport to get on a 15 hr flight.

12 hours of smelly mass transit (well, thats not entirely fair, the China maglev trains are quite nice) followed by a long flight.

Your luggage could have a clean set of clothes for the flight, but a shower?  Not particularly convenient.

Clean-ish shirt that's been knocking about the suitcase a week.  That is about it.

Could laundry be done?  No... moving hotels daily.

So the best I can do is make an effort with a sort of clean outfit to start the day, and a clean shirt.  That is about it.  Back at the end of 24+ hrs of travel.  

Travel is awesome and awful at the same time.

Managing what you eat is a bigger priority IMHO... some of the off-gassing on planes is truly horrifying.  What do you people eat!!  (on any continent)  Try eating a vegetable.

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On 5/7/2019 at 5:23 AM, Shootist Jeff said:

Yep, I never recline in economy.  I find the position more uncomfortable than upright.  I hate when the moment the gear starts moving after liftoff, the shitbag in front of me slams the seat back to recline and I've got his or her smelly hair in my lap.  

maybe you should talk to biden about that, he may give you some finer points...

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1 hour ago, Windward said:

At the risk of going the other way on complaining...

I wish there was a more elegant way to wrap up a week long trip abroad where you have to take a taxi, 2 trains, a 1.5 hr subway through Shanghai to get to the airport to get on a 15 hr flight.

12 hours of smelly mass transit (well, thats not entirely fair, the China maglev trains are quite nice) followed by a long flight.

Your luggage could have a clean set of clothes for the flight, but a shower?  Not particularly convenient.

Clean-ish shirt that's been knocking about the suitcase a week.  That is about it.

Could laundry be done?  No... moving hotels daily.

So the best I can do is make an effort with a sort of clean outfit to start the day, and a clean shirt.  That is about it.  Back at the end of 24+ hrs of travel.  

Travel is awesome and awful at the same time.

Managing what you eat is a bigger priority IMHO... some of the off-gassing on planes is truly horrifying.  What do you people eat!!  (on any continent)  Try eating a vegetable.

Just buy a new shirt at the airport, I don’t have any suggestions for diet issues. 

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4 hours ago, Windward said:

At the risk of going the other way on complaining...

I wish there was a more elegant way to wrap up a week long trip abroad where you have to take a taxi, 2 trains, a 1.5 hr subway through Shanghai to get to the airport to get on a 15 hr flight.

12 hours of smelly mass transit (well, thats not entirely fair, the China maglev trains are quite nice) followed by a long flight.

Your luggage could have a clean set of clothes for the flight, but a shower?  Not particularly convenient.

Clean-ish shirt that's been knocking about the suitcase a week.  That is about it.

Could laundry be done?  No... moving hotels daily.

So the best I can do is make an effort with a sort of clean outfit to start the day, and a clean shirt.  That is about it.  Back at the end of 24+ hrs of travel.  

Travel is awesome and awful at the same time.

Managing what you eat is a bigger priority IMHO... some of the off-gassing on planes is truly horrifying.  What do you people eat!!  (on any continent)  Try eating a vegetable.

 

First World Problems, alas............

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5 hours ago, Windward said:

So the best I can do is make an effort with a sort of clean outfit to start the day, and a clean shirt. 

Airports have shops , who does laundry ?

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6 hours ago, Windward said:

At the risk of going the other way on complaining...

I wish there was a more elegant way to wrap up a week long trip abroad where you have to take a taxi, 2 trains, a 1.5 hr subway through Shanghai to get to the airport to get on a 15 hr flight.

12 hours of smelly mass transit (well, thats not entirely fair, the China maglev trains are quite nice) followed by a long flight.

Your luggage could have a clean set of clothes for the flight, but a shower?  Not particularly convenient.

Clean-ish shirt that's been knocking about the suitcase a week.  That is about it.

Could laundry be done?  No... moving hotels daily.

So the best I can do is make an effort with a sort of clean outfit to start the day, and a clean shirt.  That is about it.  Back at the end of 24+ hrs of travel.  

Travel is awesome and awful at the same time.

Managing what you eat is a bigger priority IMHO... some of the off-gassing on planes is truly horrifying.  What do you people eat!!  (on any continent)  Try eating a vegetable.

My wife and I flew to NZ years ago and we connected in LA.  The outgoing plane had a problem and we spent 8hrs at LAX.  We finally depart and I pound two beers and a bunch of wine with dinner and snooze.  We get to Auckland and have to run from the International Terminal to the Domestic Terminal on the hottest day of the year to make our flight to Queenstown.  We board and there's only about 10 people on a 737.  We look at each other and agree silently to not sit together.  I think those clothes were eventually burned.  

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1 hour ago, Cal20sailor said:

My wife and I flew to NZ years ago and we connected in LA.  The outgoing plane had a problem and we spent 8hrs at LAX.  We finally depart and I pound two beers and a bunch of wine with dinner and snooze.  We get to Auckland and have to run from the International Terminal to the Domestic Terminal on the hottest day of the year to make our flight to Queenstown.  We board and there's only about 10 people on a 737.  We look at each other and agree silently to not sit together.  I think those clothes were eventually burned.  

United use to have showers in their member clubs, but from what I understand the are discontinuing them when they redo the lounges.

Las Vegas use to have a 24 Hour Fitness at the airport, that I did use a few time.  Little cardio and a hot shower..

Lufthansa has what the call a Welcome Lounge at the Frankfurt airport.  The wife and I got to use them once as part of package....  pretty nice after flying the 14 hour redeye from LAX... 

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15 hours ago, Mid said:

Airports have shops , who does laundry ?

 

After the deliveries to Florida for SORC, we would change into our one remaining clean set of clothes, and ship the dirty ones home UPS.

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On 5/7/2019 at 7:59 PM, pbd said:

Fuck you all for restarting this thread a day before I leave on a trans Atlantic flight that boards tomorrow evening and lands at the final destination the next night local time.

Flying on BA with a Heathrow stopover, this has all the potential for its own "Rant about flying" thread.

OK 

Paranoia was uncalled for. Sitting in the lounge at LHR in a sleep deprived stupor sucking down free booze waiting for the last leg into Lisbon board. But..... we had a rocky start; the outgoing flight from LAX was delayed 90 minutes 9 hours before departure. Who’d a thunk that would work out ok. 

 

I don't give a fuck if we have issues on the return. 

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12 hours ago, billy backstay said:

 

After the deliveries to Florida for SORC, we would change into our one remaining clean set of clothes, and ship the dirty ones home UPS.

Arrived back in Hong Kong after a rough trip. Customs asked my mate to open his bag. He stepped back and explained it was going direct to a washing machine and the maid would do the loading. Customs man got the zip half done, turned green and waved him through. 

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On 5/7/2019 at 4:58 PM, IrieMon said:

On a related note, I have not read up much on the recent Aeroflot crash.    A flight attendant friend commented the evacuation was slow due to people in the front of the plane getting their luggage out of the overhead....    

Same thing that happened when an Emirates 777 from India belly landed in Dubai a couple of years ago.  Not on the scale of the Aeroflot debacle, but there was a YouTube vid IIRC of an Emirates stew screaming at this Indian dipshit to stop trying to get his bag out of the overhead.  BTW - the Emirates crew did an amazing job of the evac on that one as the plane burst into flames and was engulfed within minutes of coming to a stop, and that was after one whole side of the aircraft slides were unusable. 

Maybe the new crew procedure if that happens should be to smack them over the head with a piece of metal rebar and leave them onboard to die in the fire. Works for me...... we’ve already got about 6.3 Billion idiots on this planet.  Every little bit helps..... Just saying.

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On 5/7/2019 at 4:59 PM, mustang__1 said:

Maybe the more and more shitty airline flying gets, the better chance GA has of making a comeback and getting some economies of scale again... 

Wouldn’t that be nice! 

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On 5/7/2019 at 5:06 PM, mad said:

I can remember the days when people used to dress smartly to fly and it wasn't that long ago either.

I still try to dress halfway decent, even more so if I’m flying up front.  More out of a sense of pride than anything, but sadly the truth is you get better service as well - from the checkin desk, gate agents to the cabin crew - I notice that if you don’t look like a bag of shit, you tend to get a smile and a slightly better level of service.  Of course being polite, following instructions like not reclining your seat during taxi out, and such tends to get you better service as well.  It’s human nature and I can’t say that I blame them.  I couldn’t imagine dealing with the flying public day in and day out.  

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On 5/8/2019 at 12:56 AM, Ed Lada said:

Yeah but, but, but HEATHROW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!     

Actually I just went through LHR a couple of weeks ago for a Business trip to Canada and its not that bad.  Had a stupid 12 hour layover on the way out, so dumped my hand carry bag into storage, jumped on the Tube into Piccadilly Circus for the day and had a lovely day walking around the city on a BEAUTIFUL Easter Sunday.  Brekkie in Leicester Square, Lunch in China town, a couple of pints in a random pub somewhere, walked St James park and the Mall, Changing of the guard at Bucs - it was a great day!  

Had a bit shorter layover on the way back about 4 hours.  Terminal 5 is really nice.  No issues.  They’ve got some great restaurants and shops and its easy to get around.  

BA flights were on time and everything was excellent.  Even the cabin crew were surprisingly not all the 60 year old Sr birds that you usually see on long haul BA flights.  

It was one of the few trips I didn’t have much to complain about. Shocking, I know.  :lol:

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On 5/8/2019 at 8:24 PM, Windward said:

At the risk of going the other way on complaining...

I wish there was a more elegant way to wrap up a week long trip abroad where you have to take a taxi, 2 trains, a 1.5 hr subway through Shanghai to get to the airport to get on a 15 hr flight.

12 hours of smelly mass transit (well, thats not entirely fair, the China maglev trains are quite nice) followed by a long flight.

Your luggage could have a clean set of clothes for the flight, but a shower?  Not particularly convenient.

Clean-ish shirt that's been knocking about the suitcase a week.  That is about it.

Could laundry be done?  No... moving hotels daily.

So the best I can do is make an effort with a sort of clean outfit to start the day, and a clean shirt.  That is about it.  Back at the end of 24+ hrs of travel.  

Travel is awesome and awful at the same time.

Managing what you eat is a bigger priority IMHO... some of the off-gassing on planes is truly horrifying.  What do you people eat!!  (on any continent)  Try eating a vegetable.

Actually, THE absolute best part of flying business class on Long haul flights - we’ll maybe co-equal with layflat seats - is most of the BC lounges these days have showers!!  OMG, When I came back through LHR a couple of weeks ago - I had worked all day and went straight from the factory floor to the airport to come home.  It was only a 7 hr flight to LHR and then another 8 onto Dubai.  But the use of the shower in the BA lounge in Heathrow was absolute heaven!  I had a clean shirt and clean underwear and clean socks in my hand luggage just for this event.   

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12 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Actually I just went through LHR a couple of weeks ago for a Business trip to Canada and its not that bad.  Had a stupid 12 hour layover on the way out, so dumped my hand carry bag into storage, jumped on the Tube into Piccadilly Circus for the day and had a lovely day walking around the city on a BEAUTIFUL Easter Sunday.  Brekkie in Leicester Square, Lunch in China town, a Pina Colada at Trader Vics, walked St James park and the Mall, Changing of the guard at Bucs - it was a great day!  

 

Did you happen to see Lon Chaney walking with the Queen ?

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I recently got stuck on a 6 hour flight next to a screaming child and her equally irritable and sleep deprived mother. I always avoid flying where possible, twice a year is more than enough for me.

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10 hours ago, Dorado said:
23 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Actually I just went through LHR a couple of weeks ago for a Business trip to Canada and its not that bad.  Had a stupid 12 hour layover on the way out, so dumped my hand carry bag into storage, jumped on the Tube into Piccadilly Circus for the day and had a lovely day walking around the city on a BEAUTIFUL Easter Sunday.  Brekkie in Leicester Square, Lunch in China town, a Pina Colada at Trader Vics, walked St James park and the Mall, Changing of the guard at Bucs - it was a great day!  

 

Did you happen to see Lon Chaney walking with the Queen ?

Yes, and his hair was perfect!

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On 5/7/2019 at 5:58 AM, IrieMon said:

On a related note, I have not read up much on the recent Aeroflot crash.    A flight attendant friend commented the evacuation was slow due to people in the front of the plane getting their luggage out of the overhead....    

Not the first time I have heard that. Staggering stupidity, excused as shock I presume?

Remember, 1/2 of all the people you meet are below average.

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1 hour ago, SloopJonB said:

 

Remember, 1/2 of all the people you meet are below average.

Glad to see you're doing some self evaluation.

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Don't really like LHR. They won't give a gate number early so you're basically stuck in a very expensive shopping mall.

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51 minutes ago, NaptimeAgain said:

Don't really like LHR. They won't give a gate number early so you're basically stuck in a very expensive shopping mall.

Depends on who you know, and how you ask.

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On 5/11/2019 at 4:04 AM, Shootist Jeff said:

I still try to dress halfway decent, even more so if I’m flying up front.  More out of a sense of pride than anything, but sadly the truth is you get better service as well - from the checkin desk, gate agents to the cabin crew - I notice that if you don’t look like a bag of shit, you tend to get a smile and a slightly better level of service.  Of course being polite, following instructions like not reclining your seat during taxi out, and such tends to get you better service as well.  It’s human nature and I can’t say that I blame them.  I couldn’t imagine dealing with the flying public day in and day out.  

 

Same here, always wear khaki slacks, a Polo shirt or sweater, no jeans or t-shirts, I don't regularly wear t-shirts anyway, got to have a collar.  It also helps that we both have TSA Preapprovals, to get to go through the quicker line, no shoes have to come off, etc.

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On 5/11/2019 at 1:25 AM, Shootist Jeff said:

Actually, THE absolute best part of flying business class on Long haul flights - we’ll maybe co-equal with layflat seats - is most of the BC lounges these days have showers!!  OMG, When I came back through LHR a couple of weeks ago - I had worked all day and went straight from the factory floor to the airport to come home.  It was only a 7 hr flight to LHR and then another 8 onto Dubai.  But the use of the shower in the BA lounge in Heathrow was absolute heaven!  I had a clean shirt and clean underwear and clean socks in my hand luggage just for this event.   

I immediately got the image of you walking around the lounge semi-naked in flip-flops with a towel wrapped around your waist while brushing your teeth with one hand and talking on the phone with the other. And that's scary as shit.

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13 hours ago, bhyde said:

I immediately got the image of you walking around the lounge semi-naked in flip-flops with a towel wrapped around your waist while brushing your teeth with one hand and talking on the phone with the other. And that's scary as shit.

What, you mean that's not OK?  I was wondering why I was getting all these looks after my shower.  :lol:

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On 5/11/2019 at 3:57 AM, Shootist Jeff said:

Wouldn’t that be nice! 

Flew up the coast yesterday. Took one fuel stop in bumfuck NC, and some fumbling with the new IFD440, but damn - so much nicer than the human cattle car flight down on sunday. Of course, we were above 12000 both legs (plus one stint at FL120 till we realized the forecast winds didn't match reality) so were on supplemental oxygen the whole time. Do you know how uncomfortable it is to have to fly with a full face mask on for hours at a time (my cannula is broken)? . 

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2 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

What, you mean that's not OK?  I was wondering why I was getting all these looks after my shower.  :lol:

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21 minutes ago, mustang__1 said:

Flew up the coast yesterday. Took one fuel stop in bumfuck NC, and some fumbling with the new IFD440, but damn - so much nicer than the human cattle car flight down on sunday. Of course, we were above 12000 both legs (plus one stint at FL120 till we realized the forecast winds didn't match reality) so were on supplemental oxygen the whole time. Do you know how uncomfortable it is to have to fly with a full face mask on for hours at a time (my cannula is broken)? . 

At least you had heat...

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On 5/11/2019 at 2:55 AM, Shootist Jeff said:

Same thing that happened when an Emirates 777 from India belly landed in Dubai a couple of years ago.  Not on the scale of the Aeroflot debacle, but there was a YouTube vid IIRC of an Emirates stew screaming at this Indian dipshit to stop trying to get his bag out of the overhead.  BTW - the Emirates crew did an amazing job of the evac on that one as the plane burst into flames and was engulfed within minutes of coming to a stop, and that was after one whole side of the aircraft slides were unusable. 

Maybe the new crew procedure if that happens should be to smack them over the head with a piece of metal rebar and leave them onboard to die in the fire. Works for me...... we’ve already got about 6.3 Billion idiots on this planet.  Every little bit helps..... Just saying.

that's why it's needed to stuff the important things into your pocket before landing..   passport, wallet, phone, tickets, transfers, reservation papers, usb sticks.. the rest is superfluous..

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2 hours ago, mustang__1 said:

Do you know how uncomfortable it is to have to fly with a full face mask on for hours at a time (my cannula is broken)? . 

That was my life for most of 16 years.  You have a shit mask.....  Just saying.

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26 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

That was my life for most of 16 years.  You have a shit mask.....  Just saying.

Industry standard Mountain High oxygen mask. Also just giving you shit - fully aware of your background lol. When i was down lower I took off the bottom strap which relieved a lot of the discomfort. 

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15 minutes ago, mustang__1 said:

Industry standard Mountain High oxygen mask. Also just giving you shit - fully aware of your background lol. When i was down lower I took off the bottom strap which relieved a lot of the discomfort. 

Wait until you need to wear a C-PAP every night.

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1 hour ago, nacradriver said:

Wait until you need to wear a C-PAP every night.

Please just fucking shoot me if I ever have to wear that shit every night!  Must make the spontaneous lovemaking in your household "interesting".  

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4 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Please just fucking shoot me if I ever have to wear that shit every night! 

Only if I can pull the trigger

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1 hour ago, Shootist Jeff said:

spontaneous lovemaking in your household "interesting".  

No problems there... 

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5 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

That was my life for most of 16 years.  You have a shit mask.....  Just saying.

Do you recall the price tag on that fancy hard hat they gave you ?

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13 hours ago, Dorado said:

Do you recall the price tag on that fancy hard hat they gave you ?

Can't speak to the helmets they wear, but i know surplus F18 masks go for a little over a grand if memory serves. Additional trouble is it's complicated to hook up a pressure oxygen mask to a standard GA aircraft oxygen system. Gotta imagine it would blow through the onboard oxygen pretty fast too. That said.... the engine in the Mooney Rocket has a service limit of FL320 - it'd be fun to go up there if it weren't for the RVSM FL280 limit these days. 

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Yup, it's mind boggling what it costs to put a Jeff in the air. 

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2 hours ago, mustang__1 said:

Can't speak to the helmets they wear, but i know surplus F18 masks go for a little over a grand if memory serves. Additional trouble is it's complicated to hook up a pressure oxygen mask to a standard GA aircraft oxygen system. Gotta imagine it would blow through the onboard oxygen pretty fast too. That said.... the engine in the Mooney Rocket has a service limit of FL320 - it'd be fun to go up there if it weren't for the RVSM FL280 limit these days. 

 

Why are you limited to 28k?

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Just now, billy backstay said:

 

Why are you limited to 28k?

because the mooney A) is not RVSM capalble and B ) we don't have pressure oxygen masks - just full face masks. Due to the inherent error in altimeters, above FL280 they used to go to 2000' separation, but with the modern stuff, and more capable autopilots, they introduced a new standard for required equipment to operate up there and went back to 1000' separation. RVSM = reduced vertical separation minima. Small singles are never going to be allowed into that region. In addition to the required equipment i believe they also need to perform an annual test flight with a certified tester on board. IT can lead to fun some stuff though: https://aviationweek.com/business-aviation/german-challenger-totaled-after-a380-wake-turbulence

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6 hours ago, mustang__1 said:

Can't speak to the helmets they wear, but i know surplus F18 masks go for a little over a grand if memory serves. Additional trouble is it's complicated to hook up a pressure oxygen mask to a standard GA aircraft oxygen system. Gotta imagine it would blow through the onboard oxygen pretty fast too. That said.... the engine in the Mooney Rocket has a service limit of FL320 - it'd be fun to go up there if it weren't for the RVSM FL280 limit these days. 

FL320?  Awesome... 

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On 5/15/2019 at 11:06 AM, Grande Mastere Dreade said:

that's why it's needed to stuff the important things into your pocket before landing..   passport, wallet, phone, tickets, transfers, reservation papers, usb sticks.. the rest is superfluous..

it's also why I like to wear a cheap sports coat  while flying..

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On 5/15/2019 at 1:28 PM, nacradriver said:

Wait until you need to wear a C-PAP every night.

 

i'm just amazed at the sleep industry..  has anyone ever heard of a person who went in for a sleep test and the result was you didn't need one of those machines?

just amazing..  I understand the people who have sleep issues are the ones taking the test, but c'mon, 100% ..

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On 5/16/2019 at 3:09 AM, Dorado said:

Do you recall the price tag on that fancy hard hat they gave you ?

Dunno, I'm sure it was not cheap.  BTW, I still have my helmet and mask - You get to keep them when you retire.  Its not like they're going to reuse them again.....

 

 

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On 5/17/2019 at 7:59 AM, Grande Mastere Dreade said:

 

i'm just amazed at the sleep industry..  has anyone ever heard of a person who went in for a sleep test and the result was you didn't need one of those machines?

just amazing..  I understand the people who have sleep issues are the ones taking the test, but c'mon, 100% ..

Consider these words... stroke, hypertension, heart attack, difficulty staying asleep (insomnia), excessive daytime sleepiness (hypersomnia), difficulty paying attention while awake, and being Irritable.  all this relates to sleep apnea.

The practice of sleep medicine along with sleep studies has been around since the mid 50, sleep apnea made its way in to the ICD-9 now the ICD-10 in in the early 60's..  CPAP's hit the realm in the early 80's...  they only reason we're now aware of them as many of the "boomers" are getting the the age where this problem starts to manifest itself..

Not 100% of the people getting a sleep study get a CPAP...  But I can tell just about every one I have talked that has one swears by them... 

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10 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

Dunno, I'm sure it was not cheap.  BTW, I still have my helmet and mask - You get to keep them when you retire.  Its not like they're going to reuse them again.....

 

 

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2 hours ago, nacradriver said:

Consider these words... stroke, hypertension, heart attack, difficulty staying asleep (insomnia), excessive daytime sleepiness (hypersomnia), difficulty paying attention while awake, and being Irritable.  all this relates to sleep apnea.

The practice of sleep medicine along with sleep studies has been around since the mid 50, sleep apnea made its way in to the ICD-9 now the ICD-10 in in the early 60's..  CPAP's hit the realm in the early 80's...  they only reason we're now aware of them as many of the "boomers" are getting the the age where this problem starts to manifest itself..

Not 100% of the people getting a sleep study get a CPAP...  But I can tell just about every one I have talked that has one swears by them... 

Some folks have central, i.e. non obstructive, sleep apnea.

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On 5/19/2019 at 4:48 AM, Shootist Jeff said:

Dunno, I'm sure it was not cheap.  BTW, I still have my helmet and mask - You get to keep them when you retire.  Its not like they're going to reuse them again.....

 

 

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nice keyboard - i had the same one for a while... Also interesting that the microphone looks like the same design as the one i have http://www.mhoxygen.com/index.php/face-masks/face-mask . Since you already have the mask you might as well get a Mooney Rocket! (or lancair IV reciprocating or a Legacy turbo...)

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51 minutes ago, mustang__1 said:

nice keyboard - i had the same one for a while... Also interesting that the microphone looks like the same design as the one i have http://www.mhoxygen.com/index.php/face-masks/face-mask . Since you already have the mask you might as well get a Mooney Rocket! (or lancair IV reciprocating or a Legacy turbo...)

As much as I loved my previous Mooney, I'm pretty much set on the idea of a fun aerobatic toy like a Pitts or an RV-4.  The amount of times I would go on a long XC where I would want to get up into the FL's vs just going up to play for a couple of hours is small.  I've said numerous times here if I ever won the Powerball jackpot, the first thing I would buy is a mint P-51 Mustang and a spare motor or two and a dedicated Mechanic to take care of it.  

Although having flown in a real Mustang, I'm not sure anymore I would own one as an everyday flyer.  I would be happy just going up in a smaller hi-performance more modern a/c and save the Mustang for special occasions.  Of course if I had serious cash, an L-39 would be fun too......  You can pick up a mint one for $350K on Trade-a-plane.

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2 minutes ago, Shootist Jeff said:

As much as I loved my previous Mooney, I'm pretty much set on the idea of a fun aerobatic toy like a Pitts or an RV-4.  The amount of times I would go on a long XC where I would want to get up into the FL's vs just going up to play for a couple of hours is small.  I've said numerous times here if I ever won the Powerball jackpot, the first thing I would buy is a mint P-51 Mustang and a spare motor or two and a dedicated Mechanic to take care of it.  

Although having flown in a real Mustang, I'm not sure anymore I would own one as an everyday flyer.  I would be happy just going up in a smaller hi-performance more modern a/c and save the Mustang for special occasions.  Of course if I had serious cash, an L-39 would be fun too......  You can pick up a mint one for $350K on Trade-a-plane.

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There's even one for ONLY 175K!  Probably not Mint, though.....

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On 5/15/2019 at 7:28 PM, nacradriver said:

Wait until you need to wear a C-PAP every night.

I’d never heard of them until I saw an advert on an obscure channel 2-3 months ago. Why does anyone need one of those? Other than having some chronic  pulmonary problems? 

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22 hours ago, nacradriver said:

Consider these words... stroke, hypertension, heart attack, difficulty staying asleep (insomnia), excessive daytime sleepiness (hypersomnia), difficulty paying attention while awake, and being Irritable.  all this relates to sleep apnea.

The practice of sleep medicine along with sleep studies has been around since the mid 50, sleep apnea made its way in to the ICD-9 now the ICD-10 in in the early 60's..  CPAP's hit the realm in the early 80's...  they only reason we're now aware of them as many of the "boomers" are getting the the age where this problem starts to manifest itself..

Not 100% of the people getting a sleep study get a CPAP...  But I can tell just about every one I have talked that has one swears by them... 

How much of that is caused by being overweight, lack of exercise, poor diet and general bad health? A very large percentage I’d guess 

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6 minutes ago, mad said:

How much of that is caused by being overweight, lack of exercise, poor diet and general bad health? A very large percentage I’d guess 

Yep

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2 hours ago, mad said:

How much of that is caused by being overweight, lack of exercise, poor diet and general bad health? A very large percentage I’d guess 

I would say a large percentage...  but this is not indicative to have sleep apenea... 

3 hours ago, Shootist Jeff said:

As much as I loved my previous Mooney, I'm pretty much set on the idea of a fun aerobatic toy like a Pitts or an RV-4.  The amount of times I would go on a long XC where I would want to get up into the FL's vs just going up to play for a couple of hours is small.  I've said numerous times here if I ever won the Powerball jackpot, the first thing I would buy is a mint P-51 Mustang and a spare motor or two and a dedicated Mechanic to take care of it.  

Although having flown in a real Mustang, I'm not sure anymore I would own one as an everyday flyer.  I would be happy just going up in a smaller hi-performance more modern a/c and save the Mustang for special occasions.  Of course if I had serious cash, an L-39 would be fun too......  You can pick up a mint one for $350K on Trade-a-plane.

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Why buy when you can rent

https://www.flyfighterjet.com/fly-l-39-in-california-usa

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On 5/19/2019 at 1:34 PM, nacradriver said:

Consider these words... stroke, hypertension, heart attack, difficulty staying asleep (insomnia), excessive daytime sleepiness (hypersomnia), difficulty paying attention while awake, and being Irritable.  all this relates to sleep apnea.

The practice of sleep medicine along with sleep studies has been around since the mid 50, sleep apnea made its way in to the ICD-9 now the ICD-10 in in the early 60's..  CPAP's hit the realm in the early 80's...  they only reason we're now aware of them as many of the "boomers" are getting the the age where this problem starts to manifest itself..

Not 100% of the people getting a sleep study get a CPAP...  But I can tell just about every one I have talked that has one swears by them... 

 

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