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Confirmed, no race today. What a stupid decision to keep a wing for TV events. A small jib + reefed main would have made an amazing show. Where is the GC 32 when we need it ?

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Wow, lots of interesting new developments here in this forum. I think it's becoming more and more clear that the magic that was the Oracle comeback last time was Ben Ainslie on tactics. I think JS isn't much more than a super aggressive driver, which frankly doesn't seem to phase Ainslie or Burling, who both seemed cool as cucumbers all day today. Also I don't think Slingsby on tactics can compete with the BAR and ETNZ camps. Oracle really doesn't have the deep bench to tap into that they did last time around.

 

Also about the France USA luffing that went on in the pre-start, I don't have access to the replay, who initiated the overlap? Is there something in the event or class rules that trumps ISAF RRS 17? 17 obviously doesn't turn on until the gun hits zero, which I believe is what Jimmy and Ken Read were talking about (admittedly in different tones). Prior to the start there is no proper course to sail below or above... I haven't read the sailing instructions but is there an amendment regarding 17? If USA initiated the overlap it doesn't matter anyhow, Frank could have pushed him out completely.

 

I just went searching for the sailing instructions and could only find this link:

 

http://www.americascup.com/en/rules.html

 

Anyone know where to find SI's, or know if 17 was amended.

 

That's one of the many things they are not making public (nor available to their commentators?). There was a complete set of ACRRS drawn up and published for AC34. Many variations from the rules everyone else knows and uses. Has probably been amended slightly and applies again.

 

For rules boffins: I'd like to know why after getting to the circle first and then having to take avoiding action that affected their race position ETNZ had their protest against OTUSA denied (bit tricky without access to the rules I realise :) ). Mistake by the umpires? In most sports a manouver like that that places peolple and equipment in danger would draw a sanction - even if it did not materially affect the other team and you weren't bound to keep clear.

 

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Another anti-RC tirade. Big surprise.

 

In AC34 some of us had to proxy to be able to see ACWS events live on YouTube, it's not that much different now except for being able to watch it live, for free, more easily via the ClickTV site.

 

Aiming all your nonsensical vitriol at RC likely ignores a vast number of other people and factors at play in TV broadcast agreements. It's not exactly the Petey and Clean Show.

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I paid up too and can't view anything. After looking at the few clips in this thread, it makes me hope the super 12 thing takes off because these cats look like overgrown experimental beach cats and shouldn't be in the AC at all. I also understand that most of you love multis at any cost so probably hate me, I'm happy with that.

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Another anti-RC tirade. Big surprise.

 

In AC34 some of us had to proxy to be able to see ACWS events live on YouTube, it's not that much different now except for being able to watch it live, for free, more easily via the ClickTV site.

 

Aiming all your nonsensical vitriol at RC likely ignores a vast number of other people and factors at play in TV broadcast agreements. It's not the Petey and Clean Show.

 

 

I know the people doing the distribution, and I am ignoring nothing. The whole thing is a scam, and getting rid of viewer counts was the essential part of the puzzle. The TV bullshit is just bullshit, because no real network is carrying the racing.

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Another anti-RC tirade. Big surprise.

 

In AC34 some of us had to proxy to be able to see ACWS events live on YouTube, it's not that much different now except for being able to watch it live, for free, more easily via the ClickTV site.

 

Aiming all your nonsensical vitriol at RC likely ignores a vast number of other people and factors at play in TV broadcast agreements. It's not the Petey and Clean Show.

 

 

I know the people doing the distribution, and I am ignoring nothing. The whole thing is a scam, and getting rid of viewer counts was the essential part of the puzzle. The TV bullshit is just bullshit, because no real network is carrying the racing.

 

BT Sport certainly is, we've all been watching it using a link you yourself posted.

 

Again, last time around NBC did not cover ACWS events live either, except for on NBCSN in the Bay area during the two ACWS SF series.

 

To blame the weather on the organizers, and extend it as a Karma curse onto RC, is beyond the pale. In what other events do you blame the weather on event organizers? You're just demonstrating that you have massive, mental AC problems, still.

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I paid up too and can't view anything. After looking at the few clips in this thread, it makes me hope the super 12 thing takes off because these cats look like overgrown experimental beach cats and shouldn't be in the AC at all. I also understand that most of you love multis at any cost so probably hate me, I'm happy with that.

As I said before why should we watch this, its almost a direct copy of the Extreme 40s only difference flying well to me that isn't all that entertaining to be honest.

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I felt the speeds were pretty ordinary for the conditions.

I've heard that the new, improved AC45Fs are considered remarkably "sticky" by some who sail them.

 

 

In one article I saw yesterday the foils were acknowledged as being sub-optimal, 'industrial' was the phrase used.

Still - one up on 'agricultural'!

 

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I paid up too and can't view anything. After looking at the few clips in this thread, it makes me hope the super 12 thing takes off because these cats look like overgrown experimental beach cats and shouldn't be in the AC at all. I also understand that most of you love multis at any cost so probably hate me, I'm happy with that.

As I said before why should we watch this, its almost a direct copy of the Extreme 40s only difference flying well to me that isn't all that entertaining to be honest.

 

And yet the ESS is going to foilers asap.

 

But I hope they get some wind today after getting unlucky yesterday. Will be live soon: http://www.extremesailingseries.com/live

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Just bought the fucking app to find out 10 minutes later the racing is cancelled. WTF....

 

On Android there isn't even a replay of the sailed races available.

 

Anyone any suggestions to get the money back.

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What we learnt from the first 2 races is that all teams need a lot more practice to figure out boat handling and crew workloads....

 

 

Can anyone tell me if the board controls are synced, or are port/starboard boards being trimmed independently?

Pretty sure the board controls are linked.

 

As for all teams needing more practice, I thought that BAR's boat handling was pretty faultless although there is no doubt that there were 3 boats at the back that would benefit from better boat handling. It was interesting to note that the Artemis guys said they hadn't used a kite for a long time (and it showed). I suspect that their bad showing could be a failure to adapt from their AC45T to this boat because they look to have rather different handling characteristics. I would have thought they would have adapted better. ETNZ and OR were probably acceptable and JS certainly had the confidence to throw his ship around in a way that suggests total confidence in his crew.

2 rocker switches for the board rake. A pair of switches at each helm and each case - 4 boxes, 8 switches in total.

 

 

Right, but (to clarify) not linked - it was explained in a recent video that the lowering board was sometimes at full negative rake to help pull it down

 

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It's not exactly the Petey and Clean Show.

 

 

I wish it were, at least we could all watch it.

 

I'd love to know how many BT broadband users cancelled BT Sport, as I did, when it recently changed from free extra to additional charge. It's an annual contract so you can't just use it on demand. I might resubscribe in 2017 but for a handful of ACWS events, forget it. I've no interest in watching sport except sailing.

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I paid up too and can't view anything.

I paid too. Being in France with North american internet provider and probably north american IP, I thought I could have some chance mais could not see anything. Not even a way to watch it live with Canal+. Most french fans were writing how mad they were on the Groupama Facebook page.

ACEA fucked up seriously and I had to rely on Clean' link too see something.

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This was not a TV event, at least not in the USA.

Not was it even an online event that you could watch on laptop or tablet.

 

Frankly as far as a US audience is concerned the sponsors would have got better coverage by sponsoring the Opti worlds or a replay of Olympic curling beause I doubt the number of US viewers who discovered the app and tolerated watching a sailng event on a phone exceeds a few hundred.

 

It was a complete non event in the US. At our local yacht club I asked around and not one member had watched any ACWS racing. In normal circumstances this would be unusual because our club is full of AC fans. We have two members who have sailed in bygone cups and we all crowded round the big screen TV for the last cup. But this was too difficult and too little to watch and so nobody watched it. A couple of friends bought the app and quickly spread the word not to bother.

 

Portsmouth was a complete wash out in the USA.

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On Friday my partner and I made it down to Portsmouth for the event. I can't say it was a joyous day out. The weather was snotty and the staff were snoytyer.

We got to the entrance to have bags searched and to be frisked (quite vigorous hands used, but not without its charms) My partner had food confiscated (some bloody good chicken and bacon sarnies!) but was allowed to keep sealed bottled water. This was done because of security concerns (ISIS obviously have not got the bottle sealing technology yet). From there it was a walk through the park, I suspect the reason the organizers stole food was on the unfounded idea that those that wanted to eat were going to pay for food.. At £6 for two cups of tea or £4.50 for a small tray of chips this was unfounded. We were not happy campers..

Anyway onto the Fanzone £35 for a ticket and we expected a wonderland of information or better facilities.. nup.. It was just a stage, a champagne bar (if tea was £3 a cup I didn’t even want to think how much the bubbly was!) and access to the costal path. We were closer to the racing but not worth £35. We found a bench sat down hid under a big umbrella and waited for the racing to start.

 

The commentators were doing the best job they could with the weather and the hold ups. They explained to the uninitiated about the boats and the sailing going back and forth between interviews and pre-shot videos. They went to one video and as it finished the commentator shouted they have started! Yup. They missed the start of the first practice race! How the fuck does that happen? It’s not like it starts sneaks up on you! We watched the race and yes it was good to see the boats foiling through the horizontal rain, but… and this is a big but…. Wasn’t that exciting. Sorry but that was my personal opinion. The race finished and there was another delay. OK happy with that we moved round the fanzone to see what else was happening..Not a great deal.. We found a small wall under the raised VIP area and leant against the wall.. Then it happened..

 

We were approached by a steward who ordered us to move on away from the area as the VIP's had paid £500 to stand on the viewing platform and didn't want to see the likes of us standing there so he said the area was now designated a walk way and we must move on.

 

He was neither courteous or polite smelt of tobacco and was Scottish (I don’t mean to be racist against Scots but I am… deal with it) ... After the heavy handed treatment the public got at the gates and the soggy weather this was the last straw and we decided that the event was not worth the £70 we had paid for fan zone tickets and left the event before the second race started. We are not wimps that don't like the wet or novices that don't understand the racing, we are normal sailors that wish to watch stadium racing in a controlled way.

 

The idea that the ACWS supports Portsmouth with jobs and finance is a misconception very few people there were paid a reasonable wage, I am guessing the vast majority were on minimum wage. Businesses local to the event lost out due to the huge hordings keeping people out. The bus drivers that took us to the event from the park and ride were not locals. I heard one of them even got lost and had to be guided to the event by a local on board the bus! The security staff were moronic Rambo wannabes that had the intelligence of seaweed.

 

Personally I was disappointed at the staff and ethos of this sailing event. We will not be coming back or recommending it next year. The public who the cup wishes to attract have memories and will not support this series.. If you read Facebook not too many people were happy with the experience from a spectators perspective.

 

We will instead take our custom and support to the Extreme Sailing Series that really does know how to foster good will and fan satisfaction..

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Are you guys retarded? Same account on the app works online and you can plug your PC/laptop into whatever you fucking want....

 

The mobile/desktop experience is modified by geography, no doubt due to TV licenses/other bullshit. US had no live racing on the web; on demand only. Mobile app had both.

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Anyway onto the Fanzone £35 for a ticket

 

A case of a fool and his money I'm afraid. You could have watched from 100 yards away for free, kept your bacon sarnies and never met "security".

 

I walked through the "Waterfront Festival" to get there and out again without even noticing until I saw uncontrolled freelance sandwich eating and (shock-horror) people with their dogs. Security seemed to be only at one entrance. Maybe they didn't have enough surly Scots to go around. The "Waterfront Festival" was pretty ghastly, British seaside with a timewarp to the 1960s. But I guess that's Southsea. Could be worse, could be Hayling Island.

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Dogwatch you are unfortunately absolutely right. I was considering not paying but knowing what the AC management were like I was sure they would have tried their best to keep nonpaying eyes so far away from the action it would have been almost impossible to watch the on water action or it would have been a better experience..

 

I also got stung at the 2012 Olympics as well!! I think I have learnt my lesson.

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Anyway onto the Fanzone £35 for a ticket

 

A case of a fool and his money I've afraid. You could have watched from 100 yards away for free, kept your bacon sarnies and never met "security".

 

I walked through the "Waterfront Festival" to get there and out again without even noticing. Security seemed to be only at one entrance. Maybe they didn't have enough surly Scots to go around. The "Waterfront Festival" was pretty ghastly, British seaside with a timewarp to the 1960s. But I guess that's Southsea. Could be worse, could be Hayling Island.

 

 

No victim shaming please. He (I assume it's a "he" due to the Einstein avatar, as Einstein was clearly a "he") might have had the intention to make this experience something special for his girl and himself, with a grandstand and all, or might not have known that there are also decent spectator areas for free when he bought the tickets.

According to his report, the EXSS and any other professional sailing series makes a better job than the ACWS. Truly weird.

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San Diego was the only ACWS that I attended in AC34 and purchasing tickets was unnecessary too since there was plenty of free access provided.

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Indeed I am male do have a winky. Incidentally in a traditional relationship with a female.. She doesn't have a winky (I did look)

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I don't understand why you'd even want to spectate at the event, it's far more explanatory watching it off a screen with 3d graphics and so forth, I for one would be confused as all fuckery watching in from the shoreline no matter how close it was, the course is too short as well.

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Given the mess that ACEA have made of everything they have touched for the past two years, I can't for the life of me imagine why someone as smart as you is still surprised at the incompetence and shitty attitude from the top to the bottom of the organization.

 

 

 


Anyway onto the Fanzone £35 for a ticket

 

A case of a fool and his money I've afraid. You could have watched from 100 yards away for free, kept your bacon sarnies and never met "security".

 

I walked through the "Waterfront Festival" to get there and out again without even noticing. Security seemed to be only at one entrance. Maybe they didn't have enough surly Scots to go around. The "Waterfront Festival" was pretty ghastly, British seaside with a timewarp to the 1960s. But I guess that's Southsea. Could be worse, could be Hayling Island.

 

 

No victim shaming please. He (I assume it's a "he" due to the Einstein avatar, as Einstein was clearly a "he") might have had the intention to make this experience something special for his girl and himself, with a grandstand and all, or might not have known that there are also decent spectator areas for free when he bought the tickets.

According to his report, the EXSS and any other professional sailing series makes a better job than the ACWS. Truly weird.

 

 

 

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^ Thanks for the spectator/locals insight.

 

Add 'abandon' and 'evacuate' (from a public area that is otherwise open 24/7 I'm guessing) and you have the risk averse culture and over commercialisation of something pretty simple in a nutshell.

 

'It's not a coup - we invited them'

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No victim shaming please. He (I assume it's a "he" due to the Einstein avatar, as Einstein was clearly a "he") might have had the intention to make this experience something special for his girl and himself, with a grandstand and all, or might not have known that there are also decent spectator areas for free when he bought the tickets.

According to his report, the EXSS and any other professional sailing series makes a better job than the ACWS. Truly weird.

As my wife has let me know with no margin for uncertainty that she is liable to divorce me if i ever take her to a sailing event again, that's isn't a dilemma I personally face. If you consider Southsea a suitable venue for an assignation of a romantic nature, I can only imagine you haven't been there or perhaps have a taste for nostalgie de la boue. You might however want to know, in case you ever visit, that Southsea Common runs along the seafront for about a mile and all access was either unticketed or free ticket access with the exception of about 300 yards of "fanzone". So it was more or less inconceivable that "fan-people" were the only ones who could get a view.

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2 reasons why sailing is shit on the TV..................

 

1] The racing is at the mercy of the weather. BT have now given up and are showing the womens grunting championships

 

and

 

2] The f###ing swearing coming from the f###ing boats! According the Spithill, Cammas is a F###ing idiot! Love it!

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Given the mess that ACEA have made of everything they have touched for the past two years, I can't for the life of me imagine why someone as smart as you is still surprised at the incompetence and shitty attitude from the top to the bottom of the organization.

 

 

 

Anyway onto the Fanzone £35 for a ticket

 

A case of a fool and his money I've afraid. You could have watched from 100 yards away for free, kept your bacon sarnies and never met "security".

 

I walked through the "Waterfront Festival" to get there and out again without even noticing. Security seemed to be only at one entrance. Maybe they didn't have enough surly Scots to go around. The "Waterfront Festival" was pretty ghastly, British seaside with a timewarp to the 1960s. But I guess that's Southsea. Could be worse, could be Hayling Island.

 

 

No victim shaming please. He (I assume it's a "he" due to the Einstein avatar, as Einstein was clearly a "he") might have had the intention to make this experience something special for his girl and himself, with a grandstand and all, or might not have known that there are also decent spectator areas for free when he bought the tickets.

According to his report, the EXSS and any other professional sailing series makes a better job than the ACWS. Truly weird.

 

 

 

 

Not at all surprised, not at all. Wonder why you think I am, as I am vocal about ACEAs unprofessionality since I witnessed thei ways ages ago in Cascais.

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Is there a youtube version of the replay of race 1 &2 yet.....

 

Even the replay does not work on the ap.........

 

Am watching the Replay now at http://www.americascup.com/en/videos/233_LV-ACWS-PORTSMOUTH-RACE-12-REPLAY.html - the quality is really good.

 

 

I need to shill out $8 even to see a replay?

 

What is this horse shit?

 

WetHog :ph34r:

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Is there a youtube version of the replay of race 1 &2 yet.....

 

Even the replay does not work on the ap.........

Am watching the Replay now at http://www.americascup.com/en/videos/233_LV-ACWS-PORTSMOUTH-RACE-12-REPLAY.html - the quality is really good.

I need to shill out $8 even to see a replay?

 

What is this horse shit?

 

WetHog :ph34r:

In the US, everything costs $7.99, except a highlight show, Tuesday 7PM EST, on NBCSC, which of course is with your PAID cable subscription.

Good News! With the cancellation of today's Super Sunday Double Points Extravaganza the first two races will get more detailed review in the short 45 min (advertising) show.

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Just to be clear, Clean isn't totally correct. Here in Oz I watched it live on a main channel of Fox Sport. It might not be a free to air channel, but it is pretty mainstream and is certainly a real network.

 

Having said that, it wasn't "must watch" sailing and yet again, RC has failed to deliver. Forget the weather which is beyond his control (from what i can see, the ESS and GC32's would have canned as well). The "spectacle" simply wasn't there. These are not the best boats and even if we allow a little licence about "the best sailors", it was clear that 3 of the teams weren't sailing as well as we know they can because they are under prepared and cannot practice. The whole thing is a sham and does nothing to raise the credibility of the AC.

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Quirky you moaning shit!

 

you go to a sailing event to watch in the rain and complain about the weather, you are openly racist ( you admit) you make assumptions about wages with NO evidence whatsoever, you complain that security did their job (moving you on from blocking walkways etc searching bags)

 

and you find the Spectacle of the boats racing not that great?

 

remind us again, why did you go?

 

what would you rather? improve the weather? yeah not even larry can manage that, make the security guards out of soft kittens, have the entire thing run for free, have open access to everything just because YOU want it, fuck it my guess is that it woundnt matter what they did you would still be a bitch about it.

 

i went yesterday (when the racing was actually on and the sun was forecast to shine) and it was great, got to the wrong car park the VIP, asked the guys if i could park up for a short time and got a yeah sure, four hours later i left having seen some awesome racing, and you know what loads of people having a great time, wether they were in or out of the fan zone the VIP bit or the free areas, people were smiling and having a good time, try it next time?

 

same parking guys were great that evening when we went back for the concert, people of all ages, back grounds and dare i say it socio-economic backgrounds were there dancing and singing till late.

 

transport was easy and quick no queuing to get out.

 

yeah it sucks they didn't race today but you know what they at least tried to bring things forward to open a weather window, the people bitching that it wasn't to schedule are the same ones who said it was a travesty that the racing was being packaged for TV schedules, you can't win sometimes i guess.

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It's obvious that the local Portsmouth organizers and 'Team Origin' as led by Leslie Greenhalgh (and basically nothing at all to do with RC) put in a really big effort. The place looked great on Saturday and the various videos show a lot of people enjoying themselves.

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I agree with Rusells vision but what a stupid execution and so many failures like this weekend.

 

In SF cats were supposed to be sailing between 5 to 32 kts and make sure to have a show, it ended up with a window of 14 to 20 kts and cancelled races.

Are they able to learn ? No.

 

Why don't they allow a soft sails for the ACWS ? it won't cost much more and will allow the have the show in wider conditions. If they want an extreme show why don't they allow extreme conditions ? Do you imagine foilers in 30 kts of wind ?

 

Also, it would oblige all teams to come with proper training. If they want a show, just help it happen.

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and you find the Spectacle of the boats racing not that great?

 

 

It was OK. I'd go to see it at Portsmouth again. I wouldn't dig deeper into my pocket to go to Bermuda though, to see something fairly similar. I went to Plymouth and wrongly expected the foiling aspect to make it more compelling but, unlike Moths, it wasn't really. In fact someone in the crowd I was trying to explain it all to couldn't easily see the difference between foiling and not.

 

I saw an awful lot of people leave after race 1 yesterday. I don't think people generally walk out of a football match during half time.

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It's obvious that the local Portsmouth organizers and 'Team Origin' as led by Leslie Greenhalgh (and basically nothing at all to do with RC) put in a really big effort. The place looked great on Saturday and the various videos show a lot of people enjoying themselves.

 

You seem to know an awful lot about it for someone who was on the other side of an ocean and a continent.

 

The Team Origin organisation added nothing to my day. Zilch, zero, nada. There's a clip you posted of a crowd near the Castle. That's exactly where I was, because it was the best place to watch, and it was outside the organised area. You could access it without coming close to the ticketed areas ran by Team Origin.

 

Yes people were enjoying themselves and why wouldn't they be? It was a sunny summer day by the seaside. Credit where it is due, IM and his team ran efficient racing. Team Origin, bah. They've just riled the locals by confiscating their picnics.

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To be fair, they can't control the weather, but that is one shitload of hype and cash spent for 60 minutes racing

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Includes some replays and post-race analysis, from BAR HQ yesterday

 

Excellent summary and thx for the re-post.

Well deserved win by BAR. I enjoyed the denial in the vid above that there is a lot of luck in the race. Nope ... not at all. Bar fought back in the second race after dropping way back. Hard fought

Well done by the Kiwis (in the NZ camp ...) to sneak in with the 2nd spot. For a fresh team, a bloody good effort.

The results of both OR and Artemis are surprising. I would have thought they both would have done better.

I wonder if the results are indicative of future results? Top three being BAR, ETNZ, OR.

Would not surprise me in the least.

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JALhazmat... Listen in fucknutz..

 

Yes it was raining and yes this probably did contribute to the feeling, but we went prepared for the wet and once settled in with brolly it wasn't too wet or cold. What was bad was the security. There is no excuse for the bad tempered snide way we were spoken to. If you do not believe me please read the vast majority of the comments made on Friday night after the conclusion of the days events on Facebook or other social media outlets.

 

I am sure you had a wonderful experience the next day and I am glad you enjoyed it. I am sure you felt very superior parking your car in the VIP area for 4 hours. May have given you a vicarious little tingle a little bit I guess. I went for the racing not to watch a concert.

 

I don't complain from myself but for the thousands that put up with the Friday event. These are the people that do not post here, that have had their first experience of world class sailing, Those that the AC need to get on board. I suspect many had been to an Extreme sailing event or Cowes week and were expecting the same but on a bigger scale. I do not complain about the fact that the series needs to recoup costs, but there is a huge difference between recouping and scalping.

I will make an assumption that the security was better the next day, I will guess again that the voice of the disgruntled masses was listened to and that the security issues were dealt with the next day.. too late for me or the majority of people there. Not too many happy voices or faces seen on Friday. but then again that was only from first person evidence.

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The full sequence as heard from on board Oracle was very, very salty! Tense time for sure.

 

Still don't understand why FRA didn't go for the line and try make a good start for themselves; perhaps they weren't in perfect sync with the countdown. That, or going too slow to be able to turn down.

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Still don't understand why FRA didn't go for the line and try make a good start for themselves; perhaps they weren't in perfect sync

Part of the race, i don't understand why JS refused to luff

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My wrap from today with five of six skippers via link below.

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When the home team decides to put on their own TV coverage what does that say? In fact it rather looks like BAR ran their own show with in a show top to bottom.

 

Some sympathy on the security front. Anywhere in the UK event security has to be bought in from out of town in order to avoid local thuggery (of which there is plenty on Portsmouth) and criminality. A lot then depends on whether they outsourced filling the concessions to the same company. If so, from what I've seen, you end up with over zealous protectionism and sky high food prices ... but a financial guarantee for the event organizer. Takes a LOT of work to do it your self and the quality owner run concession need to be sure they are going to make money before committing. The ones I know wouldn't have been drawn to an event with no history to judge attendance by making highly optimistic estimates.

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Another anti-RC tirade. Big surprise.

In AC34 some of us had to proxy to be able to see ACWS events live on YouTube, it's not that much different now except for being able to watch it live, for free, more easily via the ClickTV site.

Aiming all your nonsensical vitriol at RC likely ignores a vast number of other people and factors at play in TV broadcast agreements. It's not the Petey and Clean Show.

I know the people doing the distribution, and I am ignoring nothing. The whole thing is a scam, and getting rid of viewer counts was the essential part of the puzzle. The TV bullshit is just bullshit, because no real network is carrying the racing.

BT Sport certainly is, we've all been watching it using a link you yourself posted.

 

Again, last time around NBC did not cover ACWS events live either, except for on NBCSN in the Bay area during the two ACWS SF series.

 

To blame the weather on the organizers, and extend it as a Karma curse onto RC, is beyond the pale. In what other events do you blame the weather on event organizers? You're just demonstrating that you have massive, mental AC problems, still.

I like Russell Coutts balls on my nose.

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Is there a youtube version of the replay of race 1 &2 yet.....

 

Even the replay does not work on the ap.........

 

Am watching the Replay now at http://www.americascup.com/en/videos/233_LV-ACWS-PORTSMOUTH-RACE-12-REPLAY.html - the quality is really good.

I need to shill out $8 even to see a replay?

 

What is this horse shit?

 

WetHog :ph34r:

Its called User pays!... and if you can't afford it then fuck off to another sport!

 

Christ man! You pay more for parking in a major city you plonker!

 

Why should it be free?... do you work for free?

 

The moaners should get better jobs and stop sweating the small stuff!

 

If your a true sailor then money is never a issue!

 

If your poor then piss off and watch free sport.... like ....

 

On another matter.. I find that people that frequent sailing forums and moan about the "costs of their sport" are generally the "poor bastards" who offer nothing to the sport but take advantage of the sports free benefits such as yacht club/marinA bars,'showers, toilets etc (and dodge memberships and use the "friend of a member sign in benefits" to get what they want!)

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Just bought the fucking app to find out 10 minutes later the racing is cancelled. WTF....

 

On Android there isn't even a replay of the sailed races available.

 

Anyone any suggestions to get the money back.

Replay on the AC+ section "Videos".

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Hmmmm. Well, that was all a disappointment.

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What did he say? caption contest?

 

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@americascup: @JSpithill and HRH The Duchess of Cambridge sharing a laugh at the prize giving ceremony #acwsportsmouth #LVACWS http://t.co/3TRqBVqAtM

Cheers Kate. Any minute now he'll stop staring at your tits.

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Meanwhile, out on the water, real sailors, in real boats are tearing it up, in good conditions

 

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Can they hit 50 on that boat?

They can sail in 25 knots. Can a 45F really hit [sic] 50 knots?
The 'AC50' boats are very likely to top 50 knots. ETNZ's AC72 Aotearoa's top speed came within tenths of reaching it on an AC course, with live readouts, may have topped that off the record. Most accounts are suggesting the new AC Class will be even faster, guess we'll see.

 

I do love Comanche though, everything about it. It's a fast horse, for a very different course.

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Meanwhile, out on the water, real sailors, in real boats are tearing it up, in good conditions

 

Wow. She's a beast alright.

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In the ocean, none the less...

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With the rumor going around that the foils on the AC45f are s bit "sticky" (suck?), and the fact that the foils came from Luna Rossa's design team, say anything about where Luna Rossa was as far as foil development?

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Can they hit 50 on that boat?

They can sail in 25 knots. Can a 45F really hit [sic] 50 knots?
The 'AC50' boats are very likely to top 50 knots. ETNZ's AC72 Aotearoa's top speed came within tenths of reaching it on an AC course, with live readouts, may have topped that off the record. Most accounts are suggesting the new AC Class will be even faster, guess we'll see.

 

I do love Comanche though, everything about it. It's a fast horse, for a very different course.

 

Your enthusiasm is wonderful. A simple "no" would suffice. ;) I agree about "horses for courses".

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With the rumor going around that the foils on the AC45f are s bit "sticky" (suck?), and the fact that the foils came from Luna Rossa's design team, say anything about where Luna Rossa was as far as foil development?

To look at it another way... It may be LR giving RC the one finger salute

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while i have not always agreed with oracles and russell i did at least like the foiling cats and vision. But for the first time i am really seeing the death of the CUP in the mainstream. Blocking of footage has ensured that the reach of an aparently great show has been reduced to less than 5% which will see sponsors run for the hills. I am predicting at least 1-2 teams not going the distance on funding issue. most likely Groupama and ETNZ have the most to loose from the restricted reach. Apparently the on ground issues at the event were the same, pay for this, pay for that, What ever happened to sitting on the foreshore with your picnic and watching. let alone the streaming issue. I will not pay to watch ACWS. I might pay to watch the AC finals but will see if i still have any interest by then.

 

And lets not even get started on JS complete disregard of racing rules. Race one was one thing but the start of race 2 with groupama was a joke. Not cool jimmy. try putting your boat in the right place to start with.

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With the rumor going around that the foils on the AC45f are s bit "sticky" (suck?), and the fact that the foils came from Luna Rossa's design team, say anything about where Luna Rossa was as far as foil development?

To look at it another way... It may be LR giving RC the one finger salute
My sense from the various comments has been that the 45Fs are 'sticky' in the sense that the speed between foiling vs not foiling is the 'tricky' part. That crossover being both wind and sail/choice dependent. Saturday was a good example of these conditions, with the evident wheelies and wind strength guesses and course side choices making big differences between who foiled and who didn't.

 

The choice to foil these boats at all, while a good decision in many ways, also exposes how they weren't actually built or designed at an optimum beam or moment for foiling, back-when. They are length-wise similar to the coming AC50s but the similarity ends there.

 

Wrt LR, well 3 of BA's 5 crew this weekend are ex-LR and so perhaps the one finger salute goes from BAR straight to LR.

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For fucks sake Stingray, I understand you want to post every item you can find on the Flying Circus, but could you at least leave the twitter shit out.

 

Makes you look like an even bigger fanboy than you are.

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Can anyone really be bothered with this gong show any more? I mean, what was that? We waited and waited for news of where and how we could tune in and watch the event. Hardly 48 hours before the first race, they tell us we can pay eight bucks to watch it on your mobile phone, maybe, depending on where you are in the world. I just sort of gave up at that stage. It beggars belief they can fuck this thing up any more than they already have. I was quite looking forward to the event. I haven't even bothered watching any highlight reels, or clicked on any of the links here. Reading through the last 72 hours worth of posts in this thread pretty much confirmed I used my time better over the weekend, to re-arrange the sock draw and pull a few weeds from the garden. The most entertaining thing I have seen in the internet recently, sailing related, was the Comanche 'fly past' at the finish of the Transat.

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So lets see you have the privilege of spending $ 8 to possibly ,

 

depending on where you live ,

 

see the fastest sailors on the fastest boats

 

on your 2" by 3" smart phone screen,

 

if you have one . .

 

Priceless :)

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OK, so after all the kerfuffle: where I can see the actual 2x30 minutes of racing?

I have paid the $8US and got nothing for it except irritation so now Oracles in all its overblown media might owes me!

still not been able to cobble together one proper sequence out of the various media bits on offer.

who's going to do some cut & Paste?

cheers ,Maarten

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What ever happened to sitting on the foreshore with your picnic and watching.

 

You could and plenty did - at least watching from the foreshore - but certainly the organisers did everything possible to discourage that. It was a bit crowded to lay out a picnic on Saturday.

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Can anyone really be bothered with this gong show any more? I mean, what was that? We waited and waited for news of where and how we could tune in and watch the event. Hardly 48 hours before the first race, they tell us we can pay eight bucks to watch it on your mobile phone, maybe, depending on where you are in the world. I just sort of gave up at that stage. It beggars belief they can fuck this thing up any more than they already have. I was quite looking forward to the event. I haven't even bothered watching any highlight reels, or clicked on any of the links here. Reading through the last 72 hours worth of posts in this thread pretty much confirmed I used my time better over the weekend, to re-arrange the sock draw and pull a few weeds from the garden. The most entertaining thing I have seen in the internet recently, sailing related, was the Comanche 'fly past' at the finish of the Transat.

 

+1. The novelty of foiling has worn off, the Extreme series owns the 40ft cat space (which does very well), the mono space is filled with juicy boat porn Com, WO, Rags and Volvo 70s and 65s, fuck even the E6s at the Olympics were entertaining. All of the previous being free live and available in full post event.

 

AC not in the least bit interested.

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I was amazed at how much they struggled to foil. Made it bullshit boring...after watching the 72s Thunder around, how could you be impressed with anything less?

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