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Any live coverage available on the net?

 

linky??

 

Nothing live yet since racing hasn't started yet. There will be a practice race on Sunday and it all starts up Monday.

There will be live tracking available on youtube, most probably on the HYDROS channel: www.youtube.com/hydrosch

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Are all the boats set up for foiling now?

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Are all the boats set up for foiling now?

 

AXON (Benoit Morelle/Benoit Marie) are sailing on Steve Clark's COGITO which is not setup for foiling. It works out well for them if the conditions are marginal due to the reduced drag, which is a calculated move on their part since this isn't traditionally a high wind venue.

I might be wrong but I don't think that SENTIENT BLUE sailing on ALPHA is set up for flight either.

 

I think that Groupama has dazzled everyone here with their speed but we won't know how everyone stacks up until they line up for a proper race.

 

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Here's a shot of the SnakefOILand Aethons' wing

 

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Here's a closer view of the element 2 morphing tab which SkyDfr was talking about.

 

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A bit a of a view of the end plate on Groupama as well as the amount of lines they need to fly.

 

Anything else you guys would like to see?

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Yes, many more boat photos. Details, details and details. More boat "porn". Plus would love to see much more of Steve's boat. I was on his sister's sailboat in Newport when they flipped. A freighter had just passed and they came out of the lee of the freighter at the same moment that the stern waves hit Aethon and over they went. Steve also couldn't get out of his harness and landed on Cogito's wing. We all sat there in stunned silence for a moment before getting into action and seeing if they needed help and trying to collect all the wing pieces that we could on our way back to shore. I was lucky enough to have been invited aboard her boat to which she has my great thanks. Was so sorry the regatta ended at that moment for Steve and Oliver.

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Here's a closer view of the element 2 morphing tab which SkyDfr was talking about.

That is very similar to the wing we were originally going to build for Ronstan way back in 2002. But life got in the way and I moved 7000km from the team during the original design phase so they went in a different direction. Can't wait to see how it goes.

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Yes, many more boat photos. Details, details and details. More boat "porn". Plus would love to see much more of Steve's boat. I was on his sister's sailboat in Newport when they flipped. A freighter had just passed and they came out of the lee of the freighter at the same moment that the stern waves hit Aethon and over they went. Steve also couldn't get out of his harness and landed on Cogito's wing. We all sat there in stunned silence for a moment before getting into action and seeing if they needed help and trying to collect all the wing pieces that we could on our way back to shore. I was lucky enough to have been invited aboard her boat to which she has my great thanks. Was so sorry the regatta ended at that moment for Steve and Oliver.

 

Ask and ye shall receive. This is mainly from yesterday.

 

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This is the inside of the tent. It's shared with the Benoits from AXON Racing. It's a cosy setup.

 

 

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I know that there's been a lot of talk around the foils and the force necessary to move them up and down. Here's a bit of a look of the system. The blue line spans the trampoline and connects to a double cascade.

 

 

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Probably the quote of the day from Steve: "Did you see that kite boarder? He passed us! We never get passed like that."

 

 

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But in the end, she does foil. Just need to dial in the setting a bit.

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Here are a few tidbits from today.

 

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Gstaad launched in the evening and they seemed flat and fast from what I saw on shore. Their deck layout seems clean and efficient compared to the twill of control lines Groupama has. Both boats feature canting rigs and foils. Should be an interesting match up to watch. I don't think that they've been out on the water during the same time yet.

 

 

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Aethon was in the shed for some maintenance. Tis but a scratch.. should be out tomorrow.

 

 

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Our Canadian boys on Rafale got some good averages in some decent wind before their boom box broke. Sexy warm up moves might have been the clincher for the speed today. It's repairable and they should be on the line. Very happy that this happened now and not during one of the races.

 

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M2, thanks for your pictures and comments-just terrific!

 

PS- do you know what happened with Steves boat?

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M2, thanks for your pictures and comments-just terrific!

 

PS- do you know what happened with Steves boat?

 

 

normal wear and tear really, nothing special.

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Keep 'em coming, Merde. We're dying for coverage back here. Seriously, anything. Having spent the summer working on that boat, I'm probably going to synch my sleep schedule up with geneva time just to watch the live stream...

Regarding those repairs: everybody keep yer shirts on. None of those breakages, even the boom box on ETS, are trouble for any of these guys. Most teams show up with enough extra materials to build a spare hull. The last event featured three smashed wings and a host of other breakages for all teams. These things are not lasers.

DRC

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Dave, I must have missed it-how do I access the live stream?

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Thanks, Dave.

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Merde2,

 

Thank you for posting pictures. It helps those of us who couldn't get the time off to travel to the event. Maybe it will again be in Newport sometime in the future.

 

Thanks,

Tom

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Yes, many more boat photos. Details, details and details. More boat "porn". Plus would love to see much more of Steve's boat. I was on his sister's sailboat in Newport when they flipped. A freighter had just passed and they came out of the lee of the freighter at the same moment that the stern waves hit Aethon and over they went. Steve also couldn't get out of his harness and landed on Cogito's wing. We all sat there in stunned silence for a moment before getting into action and seeing if they needed help and trying to collect all the wing pieces that we could on our way back to shore. I was lucky enough to have been invited aboard her boat to which she has my great thanks. Was so sorry the regatta ended at that moment for Steve and Oliver.

 

Ask and ye shall receive. This is mainly from yesterday.

 

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This is the inside of the tent. It's shared with the Benoits from AXON Racing. It's a cosy setup.

 

 

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I know that there's been a lot of talk around the foils and the force necessary to move them up and down. Here's a bit of a look of the system. The blue line spans the trampoline and connects to a double cascade.

 

 

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Probably the quote of the day from Steve: "Did you see that kite boarder? He passed us! We never get passed like that."

 

 

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But in the end, she does foil. Just need to dial in the setting a bit.

 

Leave it to Steve to come up with very different approaches to this than others do. It will be interesting to see how the foils perform.

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Merde2,

 

Thank you for posting pictures. It helps those of us who couldn't get the time off to travel to the event. Maybe it will again be in Newport sometime in the future.

 

Thanks,

Tom

Second this. Thanks a bunch.

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Candid report from Louis Viat on Groupama C that they attained their top C class speed yesterday of 34.4 kts (in 10-15 kts true). But who knows, maybe they're sand-bagging...

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Merde2,

 

Thank you for posting pictures. It helps those of us who couldn't get the time off to travel to the event. Maybe it will again be in Newport sometime in the future.

 

Thanks,

Tom

Second this. Thanks a bunch.

 

 

No worries guys, thanks for following the thread.

Just got back from the opening ceremonies. Sentient Blue was still dremeling away in their tent hoping to have everything perfect for tomorrow's practice.

 

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So after ETS/Rafale broke their boom box yesterday on a personal best speed run, a group of them worked through the night and was able to have version 2.0 epoxied in place by morning. They would have gone out for a sail were it not for the weather which came in.

 

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Quite the interesting day. Started out with Aethon going out for a sail in fickle winds in the morning and we came back ashore for lunch since it died off.

 

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Not much activity in the race village until 2pm when Aethon, Axon Racing, Sentient Blue and ETS/Rafale we're all rigging up. Aethon and Axon launched with the rest staying ashore seeing that a forecast front would be moving through in an hour and change. So both boats did their thing. It's just really interesting watching Aethon's behaviour and being trailed by 2-4 zodiacs at the same time.

 

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Aethon and Axon lined up with both boats being sailed so differently. Axon was rocking the wild thing quite hard until the breeze picked up on the eastern shore and then double trapped past Aethon. Both platforms have their respective moments and it's hard to quantify how it's all going to pan out.

 

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This was over in about 5 minutes as the front approached and both boats booked it upwind into harbor. Axon made it just before the gusts whereas Aethon was forced to take up a mooring for a few minutes until the winds abated slightly. Things got quite hairy for a few moments there. The whole docking operation is complicated by the shuttle boats (mouettes genevoises) ferrying people from one side of the lake to spitting distance of the launch ramp.

The wings and boats were stored without incident and luckily were not damaged, and Aethon in particular in no small part from the spectacular rib driving by Mike, Aethon's crew.

 

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The opening ceremony saw a nice talk from Steve Clark as well as the appropriate introduction of the entire ETS squad of 15 students by the Skipper. I'll let SkyDfr give you the complete insight into that team. After some prodding, Groupama revealed that they were hitting 35kts during training. I've got the videos from the opening which I'll reduce and post in a bit.

 

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So that's it for now and I'll get you some more lowdown and maybe a boat tour or two tomorrow.

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Merde2, thanks again for the great pictures and info! Much appreciated!

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I haven't figured out how to integrate the video into the posts so here are the links to them. Frankly it's too late and I've got to be up early, so my apologies. Yes I know the quality is crap but this is what happens when I compress 3gb clips to 30mb.

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/SailingShot/videos/1631686487085852 - ETS Presentation by the skipper Marc during the opening ceremony.

 

https://www.facebook.com/SailingShot/videos/1631688083752359- Opening ceremony brief talk by the legendary Steve Clark.

 

https://www.facebook.com/SailingShot/videos/1631690720418762 - Race director Denis Horeau gives an overview of the racing as well as team presentations. Skip to the end for Groupama's top speed so far.

 

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Yes, many more boat photos. Details, details and details. More boat "porn". Plus would love to see much more of Steve's boat. I was on his sister's sailboat in Newport when they flipped. A freighter had just passed and they came out of the lee of the freighter at the same moment that the stern waves hit Aethon and over they went. Steve also couldn't get out of his harness and landed on Cogito's wing. We all sat there in stunned silence for a moment before getting into action and seeing if they needed help and trying to collect all the wing pieces that we could on our way back to shore. I was lucky enough to have been invited aboard her boat to which she has my great thanks. Was so sorry the regatta ended at that moment for Steve and Oliver.

I was on the SA media boat ( had a spot on Red Herring if that hadn't worked out), and was pretty much there to see Oliver and Steve race. It was definitely a heartbreaker. I should've known better than to try to express that to Steve later that evening. He wasn't in much of a mood for condolences.

Just being around these boats and the great minds that create them is addictive, even if you'll never get to sail one yourself.

Merde2, You're supplying us junkies with our fix, and it's greatly appreciated, especially this year with the minimal coverage.

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If you like merde2s excellently descriptive coverage in this surprisingly low-media event, 'like' SailingShot photography on facebook. It's the social media feed of merde2's company. It's a nice way to give back.

 

DRC

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If you like merde2s excellently descriptive coverage in this surprisingly low-media event, 'like' SailingShot photography on facebook. It's the social media feed of merde2's company. It's a nice way to give back.

 

DRC

+1 Just did , and it looks good.

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Hi Happy Sunday

 

Anybody succeed in watching something ?

The above mentionned Youtube live link does not seem to be effective.... yet!

The littlecup.org website seems late by 16 hours and of little help.

 

Any suggestion to watch live races,

Outside, it's rainning so I have no alternative than watching.

 

Cheers

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Hi Happy Sunday

 

Anybody succeed in watching something ?

The above mentionned Youtube live link does not seem to be effective.... yet!

The littlecup.org website seems late by 16 hours and of little help.

 

Any suggestion to watch live races,

Outside, it's rainning so I have no alternative than watching.

 

Cheers

According to some random twitter post I saw by accident, It's AP till the wind builds. I'm feeling pretty justified in spending all summer using "geneva" as a synonym for "dead calm". The hydros foundation made a bunch of heartwarming promises regarding media coverage, built some well-crafted hype and....have now stumbled at the first hurdle when it comes to actual coverage. Obviously, SA pulling out blows a hole in things, but one would assume that the budget space reserved for Clean and friends could have gone to some equivalent crew. All told, event organizing is a very very hard job and we may all end up making do with a few photos and a results sheet. After all, it's not like we the viewers have offered to pay a single cent for watching.

 

DRC

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Well, nobody asked. I for one would gladly pay a $20 or so "subscription" to be able to see these races live. And I bet a lot of others would too.

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"This video has been removed by the user"!

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Worked -thanks, Dave! as of 8:33AM EST-races postponed

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The postpone screen is showing Axon and Cogito as separate boats-and no tag for Aethon? They have the American flag tagged to Cogito......

The "abc" website has got it wrong as well: http://www.abcclass.net/equipes-2015.php

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The postpone screen is showing Axon and Cogito as separate boats-and no tag for Aethon? They have the American flag tagged to Cogito......

The "abc" website has got it wrong as well: http://www.abcclass.net/equipes-2015.php

We have a harder time keeping our brandnames in order than you do, Doug. The US program is still called the Cogito Project. The boat is named Aethon. Apparently the event is ordered by team names, not boat names, so it gets a tad confusing.

 

Aaaaaand races are cancelled for the day. Or at least that one's cancelled and the RC went home.

 

DRC

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Well, nobody asked. I for one would gladly pay a $20 or so "subscription" to be able to see these races live. And I bet a lot of others would too.

 

So I could just charge a subscription fee and periscope the entire event? From my experience, a lot of others say that they'll gladly pay but never really end up wanting to.

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U tube was indicating live coverage of the practice race this morning LA time, but no content, just a a static image on the player.

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Well, nobody asked. I for one would gladly pay a $20 or so "subscription" to be able to see these races live. And I bet a lot of others would too.

So I could just charge a subscription fee and periscope the entire event? From my experience, a lot of others say that they'll gladly pay but never really end up wanting to.

Yes I think you could monetize it that way, but not many people are interested in a live feed with no edits. Doing interviews of just about anyone involved would be a huge contribution and requires less editing.

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The RC set up a first gun start at 10am, with a daily skippers meeting at 830. Even with this not all the boats were ready to launch by 10. We were all AP'd ashore when, as I beleive it happened, a keelboat race happening near the club had a start sequence which was misunderstood as "we have to go now since AP is down"... so when one or two boats say that they're going, every one else does without checking the signal mast.

 

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At that point there was enough breeze for them to move in, but it eventually shut down. After some VHF inquiries with RC who had at that point showed up cleared up things and a few boats headed ashore for lunch. The AP was eventually brought down, boats relaunched and a start sequence got under way with the plan being to have them do one loop of a 0.8nm course.

 

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AP was eventually pulled up in the dying seconds of the sequence since the wind went right 30 degrees with a drop in velocity. The boats started anyways and Axon took off.

 

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The wind died further, AP over A was hoisted and all headed back to port.

 

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It seems that HYDROS charted the "oldest boat on Lac Leman" for VIP guests with Jeremie Lagarrigue providing the entertainment and great commentary on the boats and racing.

 

 

 

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M2, who looked fastest in the light air? And thanks again for the pics and commentary.

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Derigging and dropping wings in a tight space with a packed race village was interesting but the venue is amazing for spectators with easy ferry access from the opposite shore. If the racecourse isn't set too far up the lake, the upper reaches of the city are a natural amphitheater.

 

I think that first gun has been pushed back to 11-1130 mainly due to logistics in the race village (tight fit), but I have to check that out on the notice board.

Forecast for tomorrow better come through, even if it's raining I don't care because to see these boats in possibly 15-22kts should be amazing.

 

Videos:

 

https://www.facebook.com/SailingShot/videos/1631892167065284 - Aethon & SnakefOIL

 

Here's a closer view of Aethon since I haven't done a video of it yet. The wind had shutdown at this point and everyone was taking a much needed nap. Does this fulfill the "boat porn" requirement of the earlier reader? Is there anything else specific which you'd like to see?

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/SailingShot/videos/1631889213732246 - ETS/Rafale walkthrough

 

I got together with two of the students who built the boat for a little walk through just before they headed out. The foils were designed for a production foiling catamaran built in Quebec for which they used this project as a test bed. It's a solid boat as well as the one done on the smallest budget and entirely built by students. So the driving force for the project was simplicity, and the thing flies.

 

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I really have to give it to these guys, just go to their facebook page at https://www.facebook.com/projet.catamaran.ETS and give them some support. They are still fundraising and auctioning off items.

 

ABC class is posting some videos and you guys should check them out over here:

http://abcclass.fr/

https://www.youtube.com/user/abcclassfr

 

Yes, the website might be in french but really, it shouldn't scare you away from it.

 

 

I have no idea why some text is in bold and other parts aren't...

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M2, who looked fastest in the light air? And thanks again for the pics and commentary.

 

The zodiacs were fastest in the light stuff, or Groupama when under tow.

 

Axon looked good but then again that boat was made for these conditions. I was on the outside of the course so hard to say. Best ask the skippers who were in it.

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I watched the facebook video on Aethon and noticed the gap between the bottom of the wing and tramp. Just curious why it wasn't sealed like Groupama?

 

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I watched the facebook video on Aethon and noticed the gap between the bottom of the wing and tramp. Just curious why it wasn't sealed like Groupama?

 

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It kinda is now, well from since this afternoon. The above video was taken in the morning and doesn't include the front beam aero package and the gap filler which were installed over lunchtime.

 

Dave Clark would be able to answer you better.

I think that a proper end plate which suppressed this gap was suppose to be built but for lack time wasn't.

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Organizers pushed the start time to 1130 CET. Mega forecast this morning in Geneva. 15-25 knots forecast. Oh boy!!!

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I rerigged it and got it to work better, but we broke the beams, so it was pretty easy to give it up right after we changed our underwear.

SHC

Yes the length of those foils would seem to be great for twisting the entire hull off of the beams. No surprise about the springiness; getting that stiff without being heavy means the heads have to be pretty fancy on those boards (not to mention the hulls, beams and deck to beam joints). You essentially have a huge clothespin type affair athwartships with a sliding angle adjustment at the most highly loaded part. Bold move. Bon chance with everything and thanks for the updates!

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So this is it! 2 years of work, many long days and sometimes nights, over 30,000 manhours of work and it's come down to this. First day of racing. Are we ready? No C class team ever is! But everyone in the team is upbeat and very proud of what we have achieved. We have achieved our objective. Anything that happens now is a bonus.

 

We've just launched the boat and sent Marc and Trevor for a last practice before the race starts in an hour or so.

 

With all the preparation work, and the long days, I haven't had much time to think about the racing. The focus has been on doing our best to improve the boat and optimise what we can. But this is all about to change. But if I look at where we are now, I struggle to believe that team Rafale ETS is the same team that arrived in Geneva 10 days ago... The team has grown up exponentially in ways that I would have never imagined. If bringing a full new boat to the regatta was already a feat. Being able to run the campaign over here away from our workshop and with no wiggle room on our schedule was always gonna be a much bigger challenge. Still the team has stood up and answered the call. We've kept our heads down, tackled all the challenges one by one and it's paid off.

 

We have had little time on the water but from what we have seen the performance is not that far off. Rafale is a decent C-Class. Friday we went out in puffy conditions for only the second time in Geneva, eager to find out if all our hard work from the previous days had paid off. And boy it did. after a few scary moments ("need new underwear" type of scary!), Marc and Trevor managed to find some good modes for foiling. Result of the day: a top speed of 26.7kts (25kts sustained), on a broad reach. Not earth shattering but a quantum leap for us (previous top speed was 13kts in 7kts true). Still to quote Steve this was "gentlemanly fast"! Unfortunately our day was cut short as we broke our boom box on the main element (Element 1 is what we call it). That was disappointing but in a way we would rather find this kind of weakness now rather than during the race! So it was useful.

 

The breakage was also a way of testing our secret weapon: a big shore team! What the team lacks in experience and budget it makes up in manpower and I truly think this is a huge (and enviable) asset! We've come here with 15 team members. But that's only the tip of the iceberg. Half the team is French... So friends and families have come down to lend a hand where they can (They deserve a big shout for their support actually!!!) The little Cup is often a war of attrition. C Class cats aren't bullet proof trucks that can survive the Canadian winter... They are optimised high performance machines. So stuff breaks. It's unavoidable. To reuse Steve Clark's often repeated mantra "if it doesn't break then its not optimised enough". So having the resources to pull all nighters and have the depth in the team to run the show the next day will help a lot!

 

I have refrained from sizing up the opposition (other than staring at the green missile in disbelief) but there is an interesting dynamics between the different teams. The spectrum of performance of all the boats is quite wide and is very dependent of the conditions. Everyone has had similar amount of time on the water, at least while over here. The archimedian boats seem really fast the light stuff and the foilers in the opposite. I guess that is the norm. We saw Sentient Blue and GStaad lining up a few days back and it was definitely not clear cut which was better in average conditions. So this will be an interesting mix. In the end it is hard to place Rafale on this scale. In the right conditions we can definitely be in the middle of all that. All the boat (maybe except Groupama) have some potential reliability issue. Though Cogito and Sentient Blue are probably better off, with well proven machinary that has been through a few C-Class campaign! I think our best option will be to just try to steer clear of trouble and make it around the course.

 

Not long to wait now.

 

Thanks to all our supporters and sponsors for helping us making it through!

 

Godspeed Rafale!

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Scheduled start is now. Doesn't look like they are lining up yet though; everybody ripping around the course on the live feed. Is there a twitter feed anywhere?

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1KM lead for GA at the bottom mark, ay Carumba

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Interesting to notice, on the first windward leg, after the tack, when approaching the mark

 

The screen started to display the gap between GroupamaC and the second.

 

With my watch, I could mesure a speed differential around 2 m/s, it seems hudge for windward performance

 

Unfortunatly, no idea what was the actual speed, probably between 14knts and 17knts.

 

"Merci à l'organisation pour le 3D Live"

 

Cheers

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1KM lead for GA at the bottom mark, ay Carumba

 

It seems the Green Missile is still clearly in a league of its own, at least in windy conditions. I hope I'm wrong and we'll see closer racing later on...

 

Nice to see the "old" Axon keeping the pace with Norgador (old Hydros). What happened to Gstaad Racing and Sentient Blue, not racing ?

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Gstaad did not start because of broken rudder.

Sentient blue retired with cracked E1 leadind edge.

Rafale had a few issues with a loose foil

Trying to fix that before next start.

Gstaad has left the dock again...

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Groupama doing 19kn upwind and 31kn downwind. Faster than the AC45F?

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It would be kind of sad if a team of professional full time sailors and designers could not show up at an otherwise non-corporate event and clean up all the hardware. It must be a bit depressing when they mention how many different sets of foils they have tried and how much they have learned.

 

Looks like they are canting the foils outward to give the lifting portion more windward bite. This is fundamentally unstable, but they either pinch or have some way to control it upwind. They are doing 12-14kts upwind I saw at one point. The angle looks impressive also.

 

Downwind they were 28 plus. Impressive stuff.

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Absolutely love the C class, due to its lack of a weight rule and the generally very open attitude of participants. Everything about the boats is great.

 

But, in terms of watching racing, it is really too bad that nobody can make it interesting for Groupama C. With the speed advantage they have - and their reliability - they have nothing at all to fear. In my opinion that is true no matter what conditions are. I honestly doubt we are even seeing everything the boat is capable of, as it makes zero sense to take chances.

 

There is no mystery or intrigue. Somebody will be second, almost certainly Norgador unless *they* break something. That second place boat will not win a race in the match final. Not by a long long way.

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Gstaad did not start because of broken rudder.

Sentient blue retired with cracked E1 leadind edge.

Rafale had a few issues with a loose foil

Trying to fix that before next start.

Gstaad has left the dock again...

 

Thanks for the news. Hope they all can fix their problems.

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Groupama going very fast-headed for the start:

 

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Race 1

 

Groupama

Norgador

Axon racing

Aethon

Rafale

Sentient Blue DNS

Team Gstaad DNS

 

Race 2 finished

 

Groupama

Axxon racing (cogito)

Norgador (hydros)

Aethon

Gstaad YC (Hydros 2)

Rafale (Juls)

Sentient Blue (John)

 

(the last may be a DNS as well)

 

There will be one or possibly 2 more races, but apparently winds die down in the afternoon

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More excellent video of Grouppama:

 

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Apparently, from twitter, Steve has broken the wing in the 2nd race in a capsize. Another view:

 

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There are some other damages to other boats too. I think broken daggerboard on Axon Racing, that right? Perhaps some wing issue on Norgador?

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Most unfortunate for Steve, I do feel for him.

 

GA upwind. Yes they are a rocket. Last time around they made so much money upwind on the fleet they didn't need to do anything risky downwind so they could sail fast but comparatively safe with their set up. That having been said they still seem to be smoking fast downhill too.

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Well a pretty hard day in the office and a lot of carnage.

We have some cracked rib. Maybe some small damage to the hull while recovering the boat. Nothing that can't be fixed for tomorrow. But lack of volume in the hulls and the weight of the boat is definitely a problem in those conditions. Not much we can do about this now...

 

Norgador lost the E3 film cover.

 

Not sure about Gstaad's status

 

Sentient Blue is repairing their leading edge. Nothing major though.

 

Steve unfortunately capsized and destroyed his E3. Looks like its the end for them. Extremely sad to hear:(

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Damn I'm sorry to hear about Steve!!!

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No no no no no!

Ouch, really feel for Steve on this one. Do any of the teams have a spare wings?

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HOLY SHIT! It was just one of those things where you had to be there.

 

Steve doesn't have a spare wing and is out. All of the pieces were fished out but resulted in the total destruction of the third element. They went badly into a gybe and one of the mechanical linkages broke half way up, therefore it was only held briefly by the bottom and top, which wasn't strong and the entire third element was put to water.

Well guess what. They didn't head in. The continued racing. Since they had half the surface area, Mike (the crew) was constantly playing the main. Despite this the center of effort was too far forward and they capsized. The boat didn't lose any more wing in the capsize and everyone is fine and ashore.

Suffice it to say that they were still hitting 15kts upwind with the stump up.

 

To my knowledge no one has a spare wing.

 

Videos to follow.

I'm just loading stuff to my computer now. I'll be able to go more in depth in a couple of hours.

Some stuff is up on my instagram feed: https://instagram.com/sailingshot/

 

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Groupama doing 19kn upwind and 31kn downwind. Faster than the AC45F?

Depends on conditions probably. Having a gennaker for light air must be fast.

 

One of the advantages of the C must be weight however. Smaller foils, less crew, virtuous design cycle, etc.

 

Probably more foil iterations than a 45F also, and potentially better control system. If 19 is upwind then they are certainly foiling up and down. I only saw 12-14 in the first race though.

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Does anyone know what the windspeeds were over the 2 races?

 

I was measuring 11 with gusts to 16 at the start of the first race.

It increased afterwards but empirically I don't know by how much.

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I think Luka (merde2) will post some videos to this effect, but I had a blast sailing today. Our boat setup isn't sorted and so it was sketchy at best going downwind. . We had a few really hairy moments today with a few near pitch poles (both hull submerged to the front beam while foiling). Due to s daggerboard cassette issues, foiling downwind is not very stable or predictable. Upwind is rock n roll! Although we had a DnF early in race 2 due to some wing twist issues, the sail in was one of the most amazing experiences I've had on a boat. 20-25 kts, flat water, maching 16 kts, moding between foil assist and fully foiling. Simply amazing. While it was disappointing to DNF the Race, we had to make the call in order to preserve Rafale for the next few days. My mantra is usually Go Big or Go Home, I think the lesson here is The Tortoise and the hare....

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I hope the Rafale team continue to build experience and climb the rankings, such a great team spirit by the sound of it. I hope you are in for the long term and to race you in 2017 with our new boat. v envious and wish I could be there.

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Sad to see the American wing in bad shape. I know they (as well as every team there) have put in an inordinate amount of work on land and in preparation for this event. I'm glad to hear nobody was hurt, but feeling a little down to see the state of the rig.

 

The rest of the boats sound like there's nothing that can't be fixed, so I hope this is the only casualty that we see. I guess wings are just a little too delicate to whip up a new one over-night.

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. Having a gennaker for light air must be fast.

 

Deeper rather than faster I suspect.

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Ok, I've got the post racing videos up.

 

www.facebook.com/SailingShot/videos/1632122970375537 - Here's Steve Clark talking about the so far crazy sailing on Lake Geneva.

 

www.facebook.com/SailingShot/videos/1632124797042021 - Damage debrief with ETS/Rafale crew Trevor

 

 

Interesting videos! And thanks for the all the on the water insights.

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I watched the facebook video on Aethon and noticed the gap between the bottom of the wing and tramp. Just curious why it wasn't sealed like Groupama?

 

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Hi Doug, to put some context to your question here are the layouts of all the boats save for ETS/Rafale since they've launched early this morning.

 

I don't know if you can qualify the following divide as "old style" boats vs "new style" or if it's a NorthAmerican vs European type build, but anyways, here are the layouts for Aethon, Cogito and Alpha:

 

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You see that the trampoline distance to the wing is significant compared to the Hydros pair and Groupama.

Aethon tries to mitigate the fact with a front beam aero package and a foam "endplate". I'll let the people closer to these projects elucidate more concerning these differences in wing design.

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Thanks, M2! Very, very interesting.....

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I would assume that was for training and testing because it would be illegal for racing, must be symmetric about the centre line...

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Any pic of the Team Norgador foil set-up? Does the wand move the whole foil or just a flap?

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thanks for the videos M2. Please make a footer with your instagram at other links so I can follow. Cheers

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Any pic of the Team Norgador foil set-up? Does the wand move the whole foil or just a flap?

 

I don't think they use a wand-looks like uptip foils to me: http://www.norgador.com/

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Any pic of the Team Norgador foil set-up? Does the wand move the whole foil or just a flap?

 

I don't think they use a wand-looks like uptip foils to me: http://www.norgador.com/

 

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Here's a pic of them sailing today.

it's like a moth, controlled by two wands and I suspect that the entire foil moves.

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Wow! Good find!! Do they sail with both main foils down or raise the windward one?

 

Answered the question:

picture by Pierrick Contin

 

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Any pic of the Team Norgador foil set-up? Does the wand move the whole foil or just a flap?

I don't think they use a wand-looks like uptip foils to me: http://www.norgador.com/

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Here's a pic of them sailing today.

it's like a moth, controlled by two wands and I suspect that the entire foil moves.

Yes that's correct they have a very long wand (i guess to générateur enough hinge moment) to move the entité foil AoA. I think they also have a setup so that when they lift the windward foil, the want gets held in the il position so as to not create any drag.

According to Jean-Pierre (helm), foiling upwind was very easy today but downwind they were struggling...

My intuition (without looking at it in détails or putting too much thought into it) is that at higher speed the système is struggling and the réponse time is too low to work.

I have heard some comment as well saying at times the wand gets submerged or creates enough of a wake that it doesn't feel the ride height well enough. Hard to tell really!

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