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She is Luka-30 - the newest creation of the Justin Yacht Design office the designers of Coutts-Justin RC44. She is sailing already and you can see her in the Düsseldorf Boat Show 23rd-31st January in Germany at stand 16C75. She is fast, furious and trailerable!

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Rantifarian - You are right there are not many 30-footers around that you can trailer and pull with a standard car or an SUV. However the boat on the trailer can be transported on all roads without any special permits or even escort by a medium class car or SUV (I'm referring to the European regulations for trailers), The crew can splash/hoist and rig/pack the boat on a boat slip with no external help (additional cost), This extends the possibilities for sailing and participating regattas on more distant shores or lakes that would be otherwise out of reach. And by the way we put four wheels on the L-30. ;) www.l30class.com

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Rantifarian - You are right there are not many 30-footers around that you can trailer and pull with a standard car or an SUV. However the boat on the trailer can be transported on all roads without any special permits or even escort by a medium class car or SUV (I'm referring to the European regulations for trailers), The crew can splash/hoist and rig/pack the boat on a boat slip with no external help (additional cost), This extends the possibilities for sailing and participating regattas on more distant shores or lakes that would be otherwise out of reach. And by the way we put four wheels on the L-30. ;) www.l30class.com

Possibly you are being facetious. I certainly understand hotted up maxi trailer sailers, I have raced on them plenty.

But I am talking about the two wheels used to steer the boat. Why, if this has any pretence at being a performance race boat, would you use wheels, rather than a tiller?

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Sorry Rantifarian - got your point now. :rolleyes: The prototype was done with two wheels as the first 5-10 boats will go to a Yacht Club using them mostly for Corporate Sailing Events and Training pourpoises. The wheels are installed close to the each side of the boat giving a lot of space in the cockpit. In a training mode you can sail the boat with a crew of 6-8 people giving the possibility to train all manouvers as in a larger 35-40 footer. It's also for Sailing-newbies as steering a boat with a wheel is easier to understand than a tiller. Naturally when you are in a racing mode in a regatta you would sail with a smaller crew and when you have no need to use the boat for training a tiller is maybe a better option. If you want one with a tiller - it's not a problem. ;)

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Too wide for towing without a wide load sign in Aus. Also too heavy to be competetive against the sportsboats here. Does it make Cat 2 in the offshore special regs?

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It looks quite cool, couple of questions, what does it rate and how much will it cost?

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Rantifarian, L-30 is a perfect club racer / one design / sailing events boat / family cruiser... Offshore racing is not her primary playground though she is built to take a lot of pounding. L-30 is ISO 12215 Cat 'C' for 8 persons or Cat 'B' for 3 (only 3 berths inside). So, sorry guys, can't please all, OSR Cat2 requires ISO 12215 Cat 'A'..

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first 5-10 boats will go to a Yacht Club using them mostly for Corporate Sailing Events and Training pourpoises.

 

Which yacht cub would that be ?

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Too wide for towing without a wide load sign in Aus. Also too heavy to be competetive against the sportsboats here. Does it make Cat 2 in the offshore special regs?

How well would a trailerable / ramp launch CAT2 boat go in QLD/AUD!

 

I think a Multi is the only way to do that though.

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Too wide for towing without a wide load sign in Aus. Also too heavy to be competetive against the sportsboats here. Does it make Cat 2 in the offshore special regs?

How well would a trailerable / ramp launch CAT2 boat go in QLD/AUD!

 

I think a Multi is the only way to do that though.

It can be done according to Kevin Dibley in a (very brief) email I had with him a while back, but will cost a bucket of cash. Would almost have to be carbon to get the structure and righting moment in while keeping planing performance. Would be fun though, and much nicer to deliver at 100km/h rather than punching upwind. I don't think there was a single delivery on Arcadia without 25 knots upwind at some point.

 

I think part of the ease for multis is putting hull scantlings in the too hard basket, and allowing outboards.

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Yep spending 200-250k more than what a MUMM30 on a trailer costs just to ramp lunch is pretty hard to justify.

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Yep spending 200-250k more than what a MUMM30 on a trailer costs just to ramp lunch is pretty hard to justify.

I think ballpark costs were looking to be under $200k, but that buys a Mumm 30 and a sports boat and a new set of sails for both

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Need to have a play with a fast, light multi, condomarans are bloody horrible. There is an interesting one in Gladstone, but the new owner keeps falling off things instead of finishing working on it.

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Someone building a multi or a CAT2 trailerable mono?

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Refitting an older multi. About 30' long, and about the same wide. No, or very little accommodation. It was half fucked, but he picked it up for a song and is a boat builder by trade. Should be a hoot when it's done

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i cant find link to L30 - what is below ?

Norm, check www.l30class.com - the boat is in Düsseldorf boatshow in Germany this week, stand 16C75.

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will go to a Yacht Club using them mostly for Corporate Sailing Events and Training pourpoises.

 

Which yacht cub would that be ?

 

 

Curious as to which yacht club purchased first "5-10 boats"?

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Rantifarian, L-30 is a perfect club racer / one design / sailing events boat / family cruiser... Offshore racing is not her primary playground though she is built to take a lot of pounding. L-30 is ISO 12215 Cat 'C' for 8 persons or Cat 'B' for 3 (only 3 berths inside). So, sorry guys, can't please all, OSR Cat2 requires ISO 12215 Cat 'A'..

which is a bit shit that "Coastal" sailing requires "Offshore/Ocean" scantlings

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will go to a Yacht Club using them mostly for Corporate Sailing Events and Training pourpoises.

 

Which yacht cub would that be ?

 

 

Curious as to which yacht club purchased first "5-10 boats"?

 

 

This would be Kiev Racing Yacht Club - KRYC.

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It looks quite cool, couple of questions, what does it rate and how much will it cost?

L-30 has not been measured for the rate yet. She just had her maiden-sail in late Nov. The prices start from €78k - sails included.

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Rantifarian, L-30 is a perfect club racer / one design / sailing events boat / family cruiser... Offshore racing is not her primary playground though she is built to take a lot of pounding. L-30 is ISO 12215 Cat 'C' for 8 persons or Cat 'B' for 3 (only 3 berths inside). So, sorry guys, can't please all, OSR Cat2 requires ISO 12215 Cat 'A'..

Be careful with statements like this. Very often boats are "higher" category for some large number of people but "lower" category for a smaller number but this may or may not have anything to do with ISO 12215 (structural design) but more likely with stability (12217) so the boat might very well meet the 12215 requirements for the OSR. This is something that designers need to pay attention to since racing boats often race at more rigorous OSR categories than the ISO category it can qualify for (a racy 30 footer is never going to be ISO Cat A for stability).

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Sleek new 30 footer with carbon spars, lifting bulb keel, vinylester construction and some cruising potential for under $78K, and nobody is talking about this boat?

 

Damn we are a tough crowd.

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I agree. On the surface it seems like a good value. Have to see if it grows legs as more info becomes available.

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Remember that is 78k Euros, not dollars. And it is a base list price, so there will be some neccesary options required.

I don't like the wheels, porkiness and Cat b construction, but they may not bother others.

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This is a project for a yacht club owned OD fleet that is headed by an enthusiastic and visionary racer who is a yacht club commodore, and a wealthy yacht club member.

To break even after tooling and production costs they need to sell an "X" amount of boats.

If sales are slow, the price could very well decrease; time will tell.

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Remember that is 78k Euros, not dollars. And it is a base list price, so there will be some neccesary options required.

I don't like the wheels, porkiness and Cat b construction, but they may not bother others.

Euro vs us dollar not as bad as euro vs Aus. I'm not much of a dual wheel guy either.

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Remember that is 78k Euros, not dollars. And it is a base list price, so there will be some neccesary options required.

I don't like the wheels, porkiness and Cat b construction, but they may not bother others.

 

Ya - I was quoting the base boat price of ~$78K US (69K Euro). Figured most folks would add sails and electronics locally. Still, compared even to something like a Schock Harbor 25 this is a bargain entry price.

 

Wheels would be easy enough to do away with, and would likely result in lower cost/complexity.

 

High freeboard necessary on a smaller boat to get any sort of interior volume (a la Andrews 28). The lines are a bit unconventional with the reverse sheer, destroyer bow, and slab sides with chines -- but I actually kinda like unconventional and the entire package looks good to me (eye of the beholder).

 

As to import cost, best case would be a local dealer network with scalable import volumes to keep cost down.

 

It's a cool boat, hope they do well.

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Saw it on the Düsseldorf boat Show. Very narrow (probably as a concession to trailerability) and shallow draft for a racing/sports Yacht.

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Saw it on the Düsseldorf boat Show. Very narrow (probably as a concession to trailerability) and shallow draft for a racing/sports Yacht.

 

6ft is shallow?

 

Anyone capture pictures of the interior by chance?

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Saw it on the Düsseldorf boat Show. Very narrow (probably as a concession to trailerability) and shallow draft for a racing/sports Yacht.

 

6ft is shallow?

 

Anyone capture pictures of the interior by chance?

 

 

6ft is shallow!

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Saw it on the Düsseldorf boat Show. Very narrow (probably as a concession to trailerability) and shallow draft for a racing/sports Yacht.

 

6ft is shallow?

 

Anyone capture pictures of the interior by chance?

 

 

Some interior pictures of the prototype.

 

Will change to 4 berths and slightly smaller heads in serial production.

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Saw it on the Düsseldorf boat Show. Very narrow (probably as a concession to trailerability) and shallow draft for a racing/sports Yacht.

 

6ft is shallow?

 

Anyone capture pictures of the interior by chance?

 

 

6ft is shallow!

 

 

Lifting keel..

 

Keel lifted (for trailering an mooring, not for sailing): draught = 0,6m (2ft), keel down (sailing): draught = 1,83m (6ft)

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Saw it on the Düsseldorf boat Show. Very narrow (probably as a concession to trailerability) and shallow draft for a racing/sports Yacht.

 

6ft is shallow?

 

Anyone capture pictures of the interior by chance?

 

 

Some interior pictures of the prototype.

 

Will change to 4 berths and slightly smaller heads in serial production.

 

 

Thank you. Interesting layout. I'm guessing that the keel trunk is bisecting the interior? Some compromises there, but some utility too. Where is the 4th berth going to go?

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The keel trunk is defining the layout. It is a simple and bulletproof solution for a proper bulb lifting keel. With such layout it actually works quite good. The new layout will have the fourth berth aft to starboard, larger 'saloon' and smaller heads

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The keel trunk is defining the layout. It is a simple and bulletproof solution for a proper bulb lifting keel. With such layout it actually works quite good. The new layout will have the fourth berth aft to starboard, larger 'saloon' and smaller heads

 

Cockpit and deck look good.

 

Interior is way too busy.

 

Dump the totally enclosed head on this narrow 30 fool boat that appears to be as large as the one on an Alberg built Express 37.

 

Get a clue from Tripp 33 interior treatment of enclosed lifting keel trunk.

 

https://www.boats.com/sailing-boats/1993-tripp-33-5153948/#.VrtG5FI6yoY

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The L-30 goes back to the water. Easy with the trailer and standard stationwagon. She is sailing again!

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....and yes she really does sail. See Luka-30 hitting 24,7kn on her final sea trials:

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Two wheels on a 30ft'er?

 

Just like on Driving Education cars, but for training novice sailors; that was an important part of the design brief.

 

You could get one with just one tiller.

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I like it. Looks pretty manageable and stable for a realatively narrow boat (compared to other 30's). Hard to tell from the photo but if you're going with twin rudders shouldn't they be outboard more. They seem close together. At what optimum heel angle uphill?

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I like it. Looks pretty manageable and stable for a realatively narrow boat (compared to other 30's). Hard to tell from the photo but if you're going with twin rudders shouldn't they be outboard more. They seem close together. At what optimum heel angle uphill?

I've sailed her. The wheel positions are fine. You can sail standing or sitting on a side deck. There is also enough space between the wheels for crew to move. But if you are a tiller guy - get one with tiller. :) She is narrow due to the European regulations for trailerability. 2,54m is the maximum allowed. However she's fast, dry, stable and easy to handle.

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I like it. Looks pretty manageable and stable for a realatively narrow boat (compared to other 30's). Hard to tell from the photo but if you're going with twin rudders shouldn't they be outboard more. They seem close together. At what optimum heel angle uphill?

I've sailed her. The wheel positions are fine. You can sail standing or sitting on a side deck. There is also enough space between the wheels for crew to move. But if you are a tiller guy - get one with tiller. :) She is narrow due to the European regulations for trailerability. 2,54m is the maximum allowed. However she's fast, dry, stable and easy to handle.

I like narrow. Not the wheels. I meant if using twin rudders, it looks like they're kind of close together. Maybe it's the photo.

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I like it. Looks pretty manageable and stable for a realatively narrow boat (compared to other 30's). Hard to tell from the photo but if you're going with twin rudders shouldn't they be outboard more. They seem close together. At what optimum heel angle uphill?

I've sailed her. The wheel positions are fine. You can sail standing or sitting on a side deck. There is also enough space between the wheels for crew to move. But if you are a tiller guy - get one with tiller. :) She is narrow due to the European regulations for trailerability. 2,54m is the maximum allowed. However she's fast, dry, stable and easy to handle.

I like narrow. Not the wheels. I meant if using twin rudders, it looks like they're kind of close together. Maybe it's the photo.

 

The rudder angle will be changed slightly on the production boats. Although the photo on a trailer lies a bit too. Maybe as the rudders are up on the pic...

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There is an interview of Rodion Luka in the NauticExpo giving insides on L-30 and what's next. When you want to see the boat it's planned to be in Cowes Week, Southampton Boat Show, maybe Kiel Week and Genoa Boat Show. The full article is here: http://emag.nauticexpo.com/2016/03/23/l30-a-club-yacht-for-business-and-beginners/

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fastest toilet under sail...

 

looks good from the outside..

 

i guess everyone has their own idea of the ideal sail boat - these guys said okay lets make the wives happy then we can do whatever we want to the rest of the boat.

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The latest Seahorse magazine (Issue 436 / June 2016) is covering L-30 on two-page article:

 

"Design – A remarkable creation

Ukrainian Olympic medallist RODION LUKA handed him the brief… and somehow Slovenian designer ANDREJ JUSTIN managed to meet it"

 

Check it out! http://www.seahorsemagazine.com/current-issue

 

The web-page for L-30: www.l30class.com

The design office: www.justinyachtdesign.com

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I like that it has the OceanVolt saildrive. Very cool that more designs are choosing to use them. They make alot of sense!

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I like that it has the OceanVolt saildrive. Very cool that more designs are choosing to use them. They make alot of sense!

Swangtang - check this short video about the L-30 OceanVolt test-trial. She just flies with it! :)

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I like that it has the OceanVolt saildrive. Very cool that more designs are choosing to use them. They make alot of sense!

Swangtang - check this short video about the L-30 OceanVolt test-trial. She just flies with it! :)

 

 

Wow my old 4 horse cant do that! How much does the throttle effect battery life?

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I like that it has the OceanVolt saildrive. Very cool that more designs are choosing to use them. They make alot of sense!

Swangtang - check this short video about the L-30 OceanVolt test-trial. She just flies with it! :)

 

 

Wow my old 4 horse cant do that! How much does the throttle effect battery life?

 

I don't really have more data than this:

  • Battery full charge time with a 1 kW charger - 5 hours
  • Cruising range on fully charged battery with boat speed of 4.5 knots:
    • on flat water - 21 NM
    • on the waves - 16 NM
  • maximum speed on flat water – up to 8 knots

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Any update on the L30? Has production started, is there a price list available, any experience on seaworthyness?

 

Right, I found a dealer's site: base price without engine 78950 as discussed above, with shipping to HK but with 10% discount. I wonder how much would it cost If one just sails/trailers it from the factory?

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On 2/5/2016 at 9:26 AM, Xestenz said:

 

 

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Anyone capture pictures of the interior by chance?

Truncated by keel housing looked claustrophobic from the little they've let us see - they should make it folding a la Pogo.

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Sleek new 30 footer with carbon spars, lifting bulb keel, vinylester construction and some cruising potential for under $78K, and nobody is talking about this boat?

 

Damn we are a tough crowd.

Made in China, sorry. If made in Poland I'd instruct my wife to buy one..too bad, I love the lines.

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On 2/10/2016 at 6:32 AM, concerned citizen said:

 

Cockpit and deck look good.

 

Interior is way too busy.

 

Dump the totally enclosed head on this narrow 30 fool boat that appears to be as large as the one on an Alberg built Express 37.

 

Get a clue from Tripp 33 interior treatment of enclosed lifting keel trunk.

 

https://www.boats.com/sailing-boats/1993-tripp-33-5153948/#.VrtG5FI6yoY

Agreed. Like going down a rat warren.

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Wut? AFAIK made in Slovenia. But the final bill will not be under $78k for sure...

Oh that's swell! Somehow from above comments I took it to be fab'd in China. 

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Is it me, or am I the only one seeing the Euro's out designing their U.S. counterparts?  And as an aside.  There seems to be more Euro builders than U.S. builders.  Am I correct? 

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So many cool working man size boats. You know, not just for gazillionaires, can be found being reviewed on u-tube and just about ever one built in 'yurp. Sad!

I think this a subject for larger thread you know where.......

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