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On 8/25/2018 at 12:02 AM, Great Red Shark said:

If it IS an MFG Sidewider,  I can assure you: no boat would be better.

By that,  I mean:  You would be lucky to enjoy that boat.

Clever

But honestly, I don't think luck plays a part. You could be a masochist, and enjoy that boat plenty

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Depends on so much. Zero might be too much or 500...labor, hardware...the little stuff like fasteners, gudgeons and pintles etc. Have to have desire and to see it. Es are very nice boats.

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6 hours ago, GBAY said:

I came across an old wood wayfarer on kijiji. Lota of work to do , but looks structurally good.  No jib.  Small craft of south Hampton built. 1964.   They’re asking $1000 CND.  What would be a good price for such a project?

 

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It all depends. Have you taken a look at the boat? Do you know the history of the boat - how many owners and so on? Do you have prior small wooden boat experience? Do you know where to look for structural problems in wooden Wayfarers? Are there resources around that can provide some guidance as you put this boat back into tip-top shape? A picture and some relatively nice paint can mask more significant problems that the seller may not really know about. All that said, it could be a fun project.

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4 hours ago, Alan Crawford said:

It all depends. Have you taken a look at the boat? Do you know the history of the boat - how many owners and so on? Do you have prior small wooden boat experience? Do you know where to look for structural problems in wooden Wayfarers? Are there resources around that can provide some guidance as you put this boat back into tip-top shape? A picture and some relatively nice paint can mask more significant problems that the seller may not really know about. All that said, it could be a fun project.

I've had a look. History is that it was original owner...kept in boat house when not used.  Property sold with boats and new owner selling.  No previous wooden boat experience.  I have carpentry skills.  Resources wouldn't be an issue.  I'd obviously be putting some hours and dollars into it.  Think it's worth it in that price range?

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Single owner and storage seems a plus. From just a little looking around on the web, it sounds like the hull is plywood? If so, is there a layer of glass over the plywood? If so, the glass may be hiding some problems. With no glass, there could be some problems lurking within the plywood. 

Does it come with a trailer? 

I own a 1946 wooden Thistle that I purchased from the original owner. Based on my Thistle experience, I strongly advise you to contact someone in the Wayferer class and get pointed towards someone who’s rebuilt a woodie of this boats vintage. Preferably before you buy. Such a person will give you a good idea of what’s in store for you with this rebuild. People in the Thistle class who had restored woodies provided invaluable experience and also steered me away from more than one woodie.

If after this you see no major red flags, I would offer perhaps $500 and see what happens! Maybe the new property owner wants the boat house empty before the snow flies?!

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Wayfarers are cool boats,  but that one looks like it's got a wooden mast - so,  it's OLD,  and not likely to be very competitive,  thus - not likely of interest to class-racing enthusiasts.

Very different from the hot-molded Thistle's construction,  you actually want some real light wooden boat knowledge for these.

 

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13 hours ago, GBAY said:

I've had a look. History is that it was original owner...kept in boat house when not used.  Property sold with boats and new owner selling.  No previous wooden boat experience.  I have carpentry skills.  Resources wouldn't be an issue.  I'd obviously be putting some hours and dollars into it.  Think it's worth it in that price range?

If you have to ask, I'd say no.

The boat is an old wooden project of no historical value, so how much is it worth to you? As an interesting and challenging project that you're going to spend more money on? As a boat to enjoy sailing?

If the latter, I'd say "Run away!!" If the former, only you can really say.... how much will you regret spending on it, if all that ever comes of it is a picturesque planter out in the yard?

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Es are wonderful boats, BUT Steam Flyer Doug is correct...pragmatic common sense should prevail...so much involved.

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12 hours ago, Great Red Shark said:

Wayfarers are cool boats,  but that one looks like it's got a wooden mast - so,  it's OLD,  and not likely to be very competitive,  thus - not likely of interest to class-racing enthusiasts.

Very different from the hot-molded Thistle's construction,  you actually want some real light wooden boat knowledge for these.

 

Good point. With the right crew and preparation, a 1946 wooden Thistle can be as competitive as a brand new 2018 glass Thistle. I'm not sure about Wafarers, i.e. are woodies competitive with modern glass boats. This point plays a big part in the resale value for many people. It also played a part in how much I was willing to pay for the Thistle and especially a really old wooden Thistle. If someone is looking just for a great wooden boat project, then maybe something like this Wayfarer is the way to go but, in my opinion, if you're going to invest the time into such a project, you may as well pick the project starting point that has value to you and others.

In the end it comes down to a personal decision that can be helped along by seeking advice as GBAY is doing. And, I might add, our advice here is super cheap!!  

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On 8/26/2018 at 11:22 PM, Alan Crawford said:

Single owner and storage seems a plus. From just a little looking around on the web, it sounds like the hull is plywood? If so, is there a layer of glass over the plywood? If so, the glass may be hiding some problems. With no glass, there could be some problems lurking within the plywood. 

Does it come with a trailer? 

I own a 1946 wooden Thistle that I purchased from the original owner. Based on my Thistle experience, I strongly advise you to contact someone in the Wayferer class and get pointed towards someone who’s rebuilt a woodie of this boats vintage. Preferably before you buy. Such a person will give you a good idea of what’s in store for you with this rebuild. People in the Thistle class who had restored woodies provided invaluable experience and also steered me away from more than one woodie.

If after this you see no major red flags, I would offer perhaps $500 and see what happens! Maybe the new property owner wants the boat house empty before the snow flies?!

Thanks for the idea re: getting in touch with others with experience with this type.  I've got them to 700$.  I'm very tempted at that price.  I admit to an irrational attraction to the wood.

Lot's of wayfarers around here...just have to find someone who's done a woody.   

No trailer unfortunately...in my search for a cheap one (I've never had a trailerable boat before) I came across one that may or may not work (haven't looked yet), but they said I can have the boat on top for free.  Anyone know what this is?  Built by Koma Boats Ltd. (Canada).  Doesn't look to be an Albacore...

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Alan Crawford said:

I thought the same but the lack of aft compartment/hatch and a couple other things made me think otherwise. I've only seen a couple photos of others (they seem to be google proof).  I guess it's just small changes over the years.  Can't find much info.  I'll check it out later today...there will likely be more clues in person.

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3 hours ago, GBAY said:

Thanks for the idea re: getting in touch with others with experience with this type.  I've got them to 700$.  I'm very tempted at that price.  I admit to an irrational attraction to the wood.

Lot's of wayfarers around here...just have to find someone who's done a woody.   

No trailer unfortunately...in my search for a cheap one (I've never had a trailerable boat before) I came across one that may or may not work (haven't looked yet), but they said I can have the boat on top for free.  Anyone know what this is?  Built by Koma Boats Ltd. (Canada).  Doesn't look to be an Albacore...

 

 

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That's a Flying Junior, or FJ...... from the days before they were "club-ized" to become a high school / collegiate boat.

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The Link was hard-chined, so that can't be it.  If that is a centerboard case and the board is just missing I agree with Steam Flyer on the FJ. If it is a dagger board I have no idea. Kind of a funny angle.

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58 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

That's a Flying Junior, or FJ...... from the days before they were "club-ized" to become a high school / collegiate boat and competed against 420 marketing...before "clubs?"

FB- Doug

Aya...save c'board, although seems Advance in KC made a few with daggers, as I recall...back in the caves and to early 70s I think. Glass then too.

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15 minutes ago, BobBill said:

Aya...save c'board, although seems Advance in KC made a few with daggers, as I recall...back in the caves and to early 70s I think. Glass then too. 

???

W'da fuck??!?

How do you know about the caves of KC?

Fb- Doug

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1 minute ago, Steam Flyer said:

???

W'da fuck??!?

How do you know about the caves of KC?

Fb- Doug

Visited Advance almost bought FJ from them. They had plant and sales room in those Caves...same temp all year round...kinda different, really, for me. 

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1 minute ago, BobBill said:

Visited Advance almost bought FJ from them. They had plant and sales room in those Caves...same temp all year round...kinda different, really, for me. 

Ah, OK. Not like it's some secret, just not very many people know about it. I worked there at a fiberglass plant making van bodies, never did visit Advance. I think they built aero components too.

Back on topic..... the FJ is a nice little boat. I'd be leery of a metal plate centerboard. Our youth program had a Paceship FJ with an aluminum one that could not be used to right the boat if capsized. A PITA and fortunately we soon got other, better boats.

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On 8/24/2018 at 11:51 AM, Alan Crawford said:

Sidewinder? If so, check out some other quotes / opinions on this thread.

It is a Copperhead. 

I am the intergalactic champion . I have held the title since the last intergalactics were held in the seventies 

it was one of the many almost great boats kikkedboff by the incompetence of MFG with respect to Sailboats and Dick Gibbs asinine rigging. 

I built one with an 80 lb total weight of the hull and deck, bung some nice foils  under it, borrowed a Laser rig, took it to Erie Yacht club and sailed faster than any dinghies I could pace nearby. 

It planed fabulously  and went upwind right next to thistles and lightings 

but

i got caught and they made me chop it up. 

I cant gripe, MFG paid my way through Penn State and to regattas all summer everybyear but DAMNIT we had a great bunch of hull molds and we built pigs 

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Doug, I see. Those caverns were interesting, but was visiting a classmate and fam and could not stay long. Now I see we have and answer from the Intergalactic churner, Gov...makes sense to me.

The Banshee is lowered FJ (FWIW) and the hull design is one of the best to me, just seemed to give it up to the 420.

Advance made some other boats also, but cannot recall them, just the FJ. As I recall, semi tractor rolled in to those caves. 

I still have a menu from a restaurant we went to on the river somewhere here. Food was the max and not BBQ. I think whole lobster was 6.95...Savoy maybe??? 

Drove down last summer and KC was so different...lots of crazy stories to tell.

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Welp...it turned out to be an FJ.

Any fixing this mast step (?).  Boat's free with trailer I'm buying.

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3 hours ago, GBAY said:

Welp...it turned out to be an FJ.

Any fixing this mast step (?).  Boat's free with trailer I'm buying.

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Definitely fixable mast step and easy too given how open the access is to it.  Clean it all out, grind back to glass, bond in a new piece of wood and then glass it back in. The only trick will be getting the height correct and you should hopefully have a mast with a deck band to help with that.

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It might be easier to bond in a few g10 plates, no worries about compression or water ingress.

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Dagger or centerboard?

Curious. That hull could be old Advance or from Canada. Looks familiar...

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34 minutes ago, BobBill said:

Dagger or centerboard?

Curious. That hull could be old Advance or from Canada. Looks familiar...

It’s a dagger.  Made in Canada (koma boats)  

 

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6 hours ago, Major Tom said:

It might be easier to bond in a few g10 plates, no worries about compression or water ingress.

This.... wood is just going to rot again, and can turn spongy in a season. The boat is sort of a throw-away, to be sure, but if it's worth fixing at all, it's worth fixing so it won't fall apart again. Plus, it's a good opportunity to gain skill in this field..... :blink:

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1 hour ago, GBAY said:

It’s a dagger.  Made in Canada (koma boats)  

 

Figured, thanks.

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Easy fix...sanding holiday...might consider using base-damaged carbon windsurf spars for mast and boom...loose footed main...be interesting...if rules permit...have to do ferrules right.

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On 9/19/2018 at 8:59 PM, Steam Flyer said:

With extra mast & boom...... hey, somebody could make a FLying Dutchman schooner!

FB- Doug

Twice the sail, twice the speed?

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19 minutes ago, stumblingthunder said:
On 9/19/2018 at 1:59 PM, Steam Flyer said:

With extra mast & boom...... hey, somebody could make a FLying Dutchman schooner!

FB- Doug

Twice the sail, twice the speed?

I dunno about twice the speed but it could be twice the strings and twice the excitement!

FB- Doug

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33 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

I dunno about twice the speed but it could be twice the strings and twice the excitement!

FB- Doug

Used to ride a string-puller (I-14 Foot), was maddening...110 with 2 strings was easier. One hand for beer can or JBoy and, one for boat... : ]

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2 hours ago, BobBill said:

Used to ride a string-puller (I-14 Foot), was maddening...110 with 2 strings was easier. One hand for beer can or JBoy and, one for boat... : ]

I'll have to remember to add beer holders in my 110 rebuild

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Props for a Super Sunfish!  I've always wanted to try one of these to see if they were faster than a regular Sunfish and closer to a Laser.

Super Sunfish in Houston area

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Last one for the night, I promise. I actually want to see this boat because it's got a decent sail number.  Another Parker 505.

Monterey 505 7846

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16 hours ago, WCB said:

I'll have to remember to add beer holders in my 110 rebuild

Like to see the work.

I did one (605-I think) around 70, had to replace keel frames (white oak) and middle section of bottom and glassed hull. Was a rocket,.The geniuses who ran the class in Saginaw (Michigan) back then pooh-poohed the Harkens and the trap, even canceled my "Bridge Deck" subscription."In a chop could run with anything, it was that swift (without the trap)...even single handed.(Regret not keeping the bronze snubber I removed from bridge deck.) Only thing irksome was no lifting keel (which would have really been dumped on),. Used higher trailer for store off season. Wood mast/boom, cotton main and Dacron 125 jib and orig silk chute...no tunnel very orig.

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34 minutes ago, Alan Crawford said:

Looks like two (the green one with the high tech deck and white one) for the price of one?

I wondered the same, if it was a twofer deal

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10 hours ago, BobBill said:
On 9/21/2018 at 3:02 PM, WCB said:

I'll have to remember to add beer holders in my 110 rebuild

Like to see the work.

It is amazingly difficult to place beer holders on a small-ish sailboat. I do not have the knack for it. Every place is either not accessible enough, not secure enough, or it is right where lines snag on it and/or your knee/elbow smashes into it while tacking (or something).

So, yes...... pics please!

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The only thing I like about the Flying Scot is that you can set your drink down for a few moments and it may not fall over.

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11 hours ago, Alan Crawford said:

Not a dinghy but a pretty nice looking Star in Milwaukee for $1750.

https://milwaukee.craigslist.org/boa/d/classic-starboat/6702463261.html

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If that was a wood Star I think my brother would snap it up. It must have been one of Duplin's first glass boats.

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No doubt Star boats are beauties...Classic, like so many. It's the mooring that is the irksome thing that attends most keel-boats.

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On 9/22/2018 at 5:10 PM, Dex Sawash said:

The only thing I like about the Flying Scot is that you can set your drink down for a few moments and it may not fall over.

Just saw this...never was a Scot-fan for the same reason...swiller that I am.

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On 9/22/2018 at 4:55 PM, Steam Flyer said:

It is amazingly difficult to place beer holders on a small-ish sailboat. I do not have the knack for it. Every place is either not accessible enough, not secure enough, or it is right where lines snag on it and/or your knee/elbow smashes into it while tacking (or something).

So, yes...... pics please!

FB- Doug

With a 110, its easy to do with no holes...

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7 hours ago, BobBill said:

No doubt Star boats are beauties...Classic, like so many. It's the mooring that is the irksome thing that attends most keel-boats.

I've been toying with the idea of a Star to play with but we have to ramp launch here so it makes a boat like that very difficult.

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1 hour ago, WCB said:

I've been toying with the idea of a Star to play with but we have to ramp launch here so it makes a boat like that very difficult.

Once you get to know the rigging...it might scare you into a 110...

 

Seriously, as I have it, Star rigging is sophisticated (never had the pleasure but have been watching them since a pup around Belmont in Chi.

And stepping that mast...egad! Might be better to sail a much simpler Yngling keeler or even a Flying 15...off trailer or the hard, but then I am a lazy slut!

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On 9/24/2018 at 2:03 PM, BobBill said:

Once you get to know the rigging...it might scare you into a 110...

 

Seriously, as I have it, Star rigging is sophisticated (never had the pleasure but have been watching them since a pup around Belmont in Chi.

And stepping that mast...egad! Might be better to sail a much simpler Yngling keeler or even a Flying 15...off trailer or the hard, but then I am a lazy slut!

mast? oh, you mean the aluminum spaghetti?:P

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Here's a horde of boats here in Utah..yikes.  Sunfish, O'day Daysailer, catamarans...etc.

Horde!!

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58 minutes ago, WCB said:

Here's a horde of boats here in Utah..yikes.  Sunfish, O'day Daysailer, catamarans...etc.

Horde!!

Probably come with a few extras such as a rattlesnake or two!

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Rondar 505 in Reno Nevada on Ebay.  The opening bid is $10.  There are fees involved but it looks like you can call for a coupon to get reduced fees as well.

Rondar 505 in Reno

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That's a purdy boat...I wouldn't want to own a dragon but they are nice to look at.

I didn't advertise it here but I just tried to buy a Star from the midwest. It was one of those "once in a blue moon" boats where the seller wasn't a star sailor, they were part of a collegiate program where it had been donated.  The surveyor got it all wrong and said the boat was a 1991 when in fact it was a 2001 so it was way underpriced.  I put a bid in but lost it to yet another set of bad negotiating skills where the seller didn't counter me, they just took another bid that came in two or three days after mine.  It always boils my blood when people don't have the proper respect to negotiate the boat through with you and they pull stunts like this.  I'm still ticked a day later.  

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3 hours ago, WCB said:

That's a purdy boat...I wouldn't want to own a dragon but they are nice to look at.

I didn't advertise it here but I just tried to buy a Star from the midwest. It was one of those "once in a blue moon" boats where the seller wasn't a star sailor, they were part of a collegiate program where it had been donated.  The surveyor got it all wrong and said the boat was a 1991 when in fact it was a 2001 so it was way underpriced.  I put a bid in but lost it to yet another set of bad negotiating skills where the seller didn't counter me, they just took another bid that came in two or three days after mine.  It always boils my blood when people don't have the proper respect to negotiate the boat through with you and they pull stunts like this.  I'm still ticked a day later.  

Yeah I hate that....except when I'm the "other bidder".

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Just sold my 18 footer for the price of the rudder I hand carried back from AU. Forget the carbon bowsprit, three riggs and trailer. Always loved those that lowballed an already underpriced item. Glad you didn't get it. Hope you learned your lesson. You stated what you where willing to pay. Under what condition should he have countered? This is not a stunt or disrespect. You're the low bid loser. Get over it.

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3 hours ago, Lifesave said:

Just sold my 18 footer for the price of the rudder I hand carried back from AU. Forget the carbon bowsprit, three riggs and trailer. Always loved those that lowballed an already underpriced item. Glad you didn't get it. Hope you learned your lesson. You stated what you where willing to pay. Under what condition should he have countered? This is not a stunt or disrespect. You're the low bid loser. Get over it.

Except only I knew that.  The seller thought he was right on the money with a survey that backed up his asking price so no, you'd be wrong in this case.  If he said he had a 2001 and had to sell it fast, I would have been happy to discuss it as such. 

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I think I know the feeling. I rejuved a rig, took it to Denver on a deal, weather and events trumped my end of it, no boat, no deal...learned hard one, for nothing but labors, and the only stones I can toss are at me!

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I have had to sell boats for less than the cost of the paint job. It’s discouraging when you realize that people think you have devalued materials by spending hours turning them into a boat.

SHC

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12 hours ago, Steve Clark said:

I have had to sell boats for less than the cost of the paint job. It’s discouraging when you realize that people think you have devalued materials by spending hours turning them into a boat.

SHC

You can think of it as your contribution to fighting inflation, maybe? Just tryna hold a positive vibe......

I've repeated to myself a couple of times, selling a boat for much less than I wanted to, the fatuous old line "At least it's going to a good home."

FB- Doug

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I have to disagree with Clark, who has spent much time selling boats. 

Big boat, small boat; labor of love.

Simple, "it's" not the moola (boat), "it's" sailing, so one must be prepared to part equally, having sailed, IMO.

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Sometimes these CL finds can turn out to be a gem. Going through this thread from the beginning I ran across a post (p.9 #882) about a boat that I bought last year.

The lake that I sail on has only one launch ramp area and it is very shallow, I measured it at only 42" deep at the end of the dock/pier which reaches 30' out from the waters edge. No problem for the boats that I have owned over the years (Y-flyer, Buccaneer, MC scow, E scow) but I had been casually looking for a cabin boat (read very stable) suitable for introducing my young great grand kids to sailing. I just couldn't bring myself to go with the usual swing keel Cat22 or Macgregor type boat and suffer from their low performance levels. I happen to see the CL ad which piqued my interest with the claim of performance and a very shallow draft of 11" for trailering/launching and a cheap $1500 asking price for the boat, galvanized factory trailer and 6hp OB. A search reveled a top notch design pedigree (Bruce Farr) and proven performance in the world down under but little info stateside. After a month the ad was still up so I contacted the owner to look at the boat. Long story short he just wanted for it to be gone,  most likely influenced by an upcoming expensive winter storage contract. He said that his GF didn't like it and wanted a larger cruising boat, the 5 gal. plastic  pail he had been using for a head probably had something to do with that.

PO's can be interesting people, he had thrown money at the boat buying top tier equipment but installation was often poorly done. He was the kind of guy that had little patience for doing the job right. When I got to the yacht club where he stored the boat he had a pile of equipment on the ground next to the boat ready to go into the nearby dumpster. All the cushions (original and by their condition spent most of their life in POs houses), about 5 sails, Schaeffer roller furling gear, extra (original) boom and many other pieces of gear. He was surprised that I insisted in taking it all with me. When I got home I unloaded 11 sails from the cabin 2 of which were only a season old and in the paperwork I found the $3600 receipt for them. I spent the winter sealing leaks (everything he bolted on had no sealant), fixing the high $ wire spliced with wire nuts, replacing HD/Lowes steel fasteners and fixing all the misaligned standing rigging. By spring I was replacing 1/2"  line running through blocks with a 3/8" max line cheek spacing. Some of them were so tight that I barely got them out. I made up a gin pole and temporary side stays to made raising the 31' mast a one person job even for this old man.

It was all worth it as the boat did not disappoint. She is very fast (PHRF in the 160's), lite on the tiller and well balanced. Over the summer I have worked out most of the PO's "improvements" and despite having more strings to pull than a gaff rigged schooner I can singlehand her fairly well. She is cosmetically challenged, I still have yet to address a lot of gel coat crazing, oxidation and other minor damage from years of hard racing and his anti fouling paint job peeled off the bottom when  I pressure washed the boat during the fall pull out. Most people take the time to sand a little before applying new paint.

Interestingly enough I found a PDF of the original sales brochure online and there was my boat in several of the photos. A NZ magazine review stated that 2 of the first 10 boats built went to the US, my boat is #008. I have only heard of one other Farr 740 in the states and it was listed for sale in the Latitude 38 classifieds over the summer, located in the SF bay area. The photo showed her bearing #8374 on the sails, 2 of my 11 sails bear the same # so I assume that one of my POs bought them used from that boat at some point.

https://sailboatdata.com/sailboat/farr-740-sport

http://www.farrdesign.com/101.html

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6 hours ago, mikegt4 said:

Sometimes these CL finds can turn out to be a gem. ...     ...    ... 

...    ...    ...  I found a PDF of the original sales brochure online and there was my boat in several of the photos. A NZ magazine review stated that 2 of the first 10 boats built went to the US, my boat is #008. I have only heard of one other Farr 740 in the states...     ...     ...    ...

 

Major score!

Well done, sir. That is a great little boat and it sounds like it was practically a gift.

But isn't it a little uncomfortable, now that you've moved into that shining palace at the top of the hill where all the rest of us want to go??

FB- Doug

 

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On 10/30/2018 at 9:47 AM, BobBill said:

I have to disagree with Clark, who has spent much time selling boats. 

Big boat, small boat; labor of love.

Simple, "it's" not the moola (boat), "it's" sailing, so one must be prepared to part equally, having sailed, IMO.

 

I see your point, but remember........ SC and DC get mountains of respect not only for their sailing accomplishments, -AND- for actually making a living building and selling boats. As an engineer, this is a feat I cannot quite fathom, myself..............

FB- Doug

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On 11/3/2018 at 8:16 AM, Steam Flyer said:

Major score!

Well done, sir. That is a great little boat and it sounds like it was practically a gift.

But isn't it a little uncomfortable, now that you've moved into that shining palace at the top of the hill where all the rest of us want to go??

FB- Doug

 

I was already at the top of the hill, thank you very much. About 3 months before  finding the Farr I picked up a Buccaneer 18 off CL for $350. The PO (a sail maker) had bought the boat in reasonably good condition to race himself but disassembled the CB trunk to do some common Bucc upgrade mods then lost interest (or time). I finished the job and cleaned it up. I had a friend with a Bucc back in the 1970's and really liked his boat. They are often underrated and can be found for very reasonable prices although it is best to find a later one with the molded in storage compartments rather than hatch covers. Early boats have the same swamping problem that the J24 has. After sailing scows for 40 years,  when I first launched it I made the mistake of stepping aboard like I would on a scow and nearly rolled it over right at the dock. It has little initial stability but she settles in nicely at about 20*. She rides through the chop like a Greyhound bus compared to a scow.   Adding more Farr brochure pages.

 

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6 minutes ago, mikegt4 said:

I was already at the top of the hill, thank you very much...      ...     ...

 

Sure, rub it in.

I'm actually in the middle of rebuilding a Bucc right now, did the bailer, mast step, and aft bulkhead; in progress on the chainplates and the CB trunk. And I paid more for the hulk to start with.

Fortunately I have another Bucc to sail while this one is in the shop. People are already making fun of me for not sailing an IC.............

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Glad to hear that you have a Bucc (s). I know what you mean about the chainplates, mine were fastened with some dinky machine screws. I re-fastened mine with larger bolts and big washers. I found that my shroud adjusters had been drilled out to accommodate a bigger pin, a disaster in the making.

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On ‎11‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 12:57 PM, mikegt4 said:

Glad to hear that you have a Bucc (s). I know what you mean about the chainplates, mine were fastened with some dinky machine screws. I re-fastened mine with larger bolts and big washers. I found that my shroud adjusters had been drilled out to accommodate a bigger pin, a disaster in the making.

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Wow.   Just make the hole BIGGER !!  That'll make it stronger.

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9 hours ago, Great Red Shark said:

Wow.   Just make the hole BIGGER !!  That'll make it stronger.

It doesn't? Me screwed!

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