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We get letters...

stugots.jpgI'd like to offer some more perspective to the kiteboarding 'Game of Chicken' article.


It's not that IFKO and FFVL will be using their own rules which contravene the ISAF and the RRS. In fact, the events are banned because they WILL be using the RRS and they risk copyright infringement. They will use the RRS without permission and they will refuse to comply with national requirements for enlisting FFV officials, executing FFV sanctioning agreements, etc.


Background: Long ago when kite racing started the local racers approached FFV (French Federation Voile) and asked if they could race. FFV turned their nose and said, "you are not sailors. We will not support racing for you." (loosely quoted) So FFVL (French Federation Voile Liberty) comes into the picture and they begin to run kite events with great success. Once kiteboarding gained traction at ISAF, FFV had egg in their face and FFVL sits pretty with the kiters. However FFVL has no partnership with ISAF. ISAF is in the pockets of FFV and has ruled in their favor numerous times. The whole thing comes down to this small-scale civil war in France.


RRS 89.1 requires that events must be run in partnership with ISAF or an affiliated national authority or club. Well, the clubs that run kite events are FFVL clubs and FFVL is 'bad' is the eyes of ISAF. FFV sanctioned events are 'good' in the eyes of ISAF. ISAF bans the FFVL/IFKO events for two main reasons:


1. The event is not FFV sanctioned nor does it have any FFV officials. And ISAF must support FFV.
2. The event organizers and FFVL/IFKO may risk copyright infringement of the RRS because they are not in partnership with ISAF or the affiliated French mafiosi. This is where the legal teeth come into play.


Questions: Does ISAF actually have sound copyright of the "rules"? and specifically, which parts? Can they really say that they OWN "Port/Starboard"? (known as Rule 10) How much of the "rules" do they actually own?


Summary: There are many other questions that need answering but for now; ISAF must be challenged on the copyright issue, on their assumed ownership of the word "world", and on their prohibiting events that don't pay their points to the 'boss' 'administration' "capo". Stugots!

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What about America's Cup sailors? They are sailing with their own rules, aren't they?

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What about America's Cup sailors? They are sailing with their own rules, aren't they?

ISAF ratifies the America's Cup rules: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B57wxypH8i5sVzRIV0l2Yjk2M2M/view

 

Hilarious typo on the "whirled sailing" page regarding the America's cup (under "Events"): http://www.sailing.org/33rd-americas-cup.php

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Ime am gladde we haffe Cleane to tellus wiche regattae is goode and winch is badde. Woudent wante FFVL getteng madde at me. :)

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Take it to the "All Time Names Thread." Had not Tony Soprano already used it (for a stinkpot), "Stugots" might not be a bad boat name. Certainly fits for some dicks out on the race course.

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Just to add to the Stuggots article and give a clear view.

 

FFVL (Fédération Française de Vol Libre) is not French Federation of Voile Liberty but ... French Federation of Air Gliding, the federation of gliders and para-gliders established nearly as long as the FFV. no "ad-hoc" federation here.

 

France s a "red tape" country and no sports event can be run unless it is under the umbrella of a warranted federation, which in turn gets an - enforced by law - exclusivity on a given sport, with the right to impose membership.

 

The kites needed such an umbrella when they started. Re-buffed by the FFV they were sheltered by the Gliding Federation, who quite understandably does not want to relinquish the sport, now that it is a success!

 

- for kiting to move federation, this must be government approved and politics come into play.

- ISAF rules are therefore opposed to .... the French laws , which, I believe, stand ahead.

 

Talk about a world of freedom

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I'm no lawyer at all. But how can applying written content to real life infringe on any copyright laws? By that logic, home chefs that follow a recipe in the Joy of Cooking owe a royalty. Doctors that get paid for the application of knowledge gleaned from Gray's Anatomy (the book, not the show you troglodytes) are infringing.

 

 

What is ISAF's rationale for claiming copyright protection?

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I've never fully understood the copyright argument. My understanding of copyright is that you own exclusive rights to the expression of the idea but not the underlying idea itself. ie an author of a communist manifesto will own the copyright to his words about communism but not the idea of communism itself. If this is the correct understanding, isn't isaf really just in the business of selling rule books as the copyright holder? if the club or association using the rrs doesn't actually republish them in anyway but uses them to run assailing race is it really a breach of copyright? Happy to be corrected on any of these ideas though by someone who knows more on this.

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