• Announcements

    • UnderDawg

      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

      Sailing Anarchy is a very lightly moderated site. This is by design, to afford a more free atmosphere for discussion. There are plenty of sailing forums you can go to where swearing isn't allowed, confrontation is squelched and, and you can have a moderator finger-wag at you for your attitude. SA tries to avoid that and allow for more adult behavior without moderators editing your posts and whacking knuckles with rulers. We don't have a long list of published "thou shalt nots" either, and this is by design. Too many absolute rules paints us into too many corners. So check the Terms of Service - there IS language there about certain types of behavior that is not permitted. We interpret that lightly and permit a lot of latitude, but we DO reserve the right to take action when something is too extreme to tolerate (too racist, graphic, violent, misogynistic, etc.). Yes, that is subjective, but it allows us discretion. Avoiding a laundry list of rules allows for freedom; don't abuse it. However there ARE a few basic rules that will earn you a suspension, and apparently a brief refresher is in order. 1) Allegations of pedophilia - there is no tolerance for this. So if you make allegations, jokes, innuendo or suggestions about child molestation, child pornography, abuse or inappropriate behavior with minors etc. about someone on this board you will get a time out. This is pretty much automatic; this behavior can have real world effect and is not acceptable. Obviously the subject is not banned when discussion of it is apropos, e.g. talking about an item in the news for instance. But allegations or references directed at or about another poster is verboten. 2) Outing people - providing real world identifiable information about users on the forums who prefer to remain anonymous. Yes, some of us post with our real names - not a problem to use them. However many do NOT, and if you find out someone's name keep it to yourself, first or last. This also goes for other identifying information too - employer information etc. You don't need too many pieces of data to figure out who someone really is these days. Depending on severity you might get anything from a scolding to a suspension - so don't do it. I know it can be confusing sometimes for newcomers, as SA has been around almost twenty years and there are some people that throw their real names around and their current Display Name may not match the name they have out in the public. But if in doubt, you don't want to accidentally out some one so use caution, even if it's a personal friend of yours in real life. 3) Posting While Suspended - If you've earned a timeout (these are fairly rare and hard to get), please observe the suspension. If you create a new account (a "Sock Puppet") and return to the forums to post with it before your suspension is up you WILL get more time added to your original suspension and lose your Socks. This behavior may result a permanent ban, since it shows you have zero respect for the few rules we have and the moderating team that is tasked with supporting them. Check the Terms of Service you agreed to; they apply to the individual agreeing, not the account you created, so don't try to Sea Lawyer us if you get caught. Just don't do it. Those are the three that will almost certainly get you into some trouble. IF YOU SEE SOMEONE DO ONE OF THESE THINGS, please do the following: Refrain from quoting the offending text, it makes the thread cleanup a pain in the rear Press the Report button; it is by far the best way to notify Admins as we will get e-mails. Calling out for Admins in the middle of threads, sending us PM's, etc. - there is no guarantee we will get those in a timely fashion. There are multiple Moderators in multiple time zones around the world, and anyone one of us can handle the Report and all of us will be notified about it. But if you PM one Mod directly and he's off line, the problem will get dealt with much more slowly. Other behaviors that you might want to think twice before doing include: Intentionally disrupting threads and discussions repeatedly. Off topic/content free trolling in threads to disrupt dialog Stalking users around the forums with the intent to disrupt content and discussion Repeated posting of overly graphic or scatological porn content. There are plenty web sites for you to get your freak on, don't do it here. And a brief note to Newbies... No, we will not ban people or censor them for dropping F-bombs on you, using foul language, etc. so please don't report it when one of our members gives you a greeting you may find shocking. We do our best not to censor content here and playing swearword police is not in our job descriptions. Sailing Anarchy is more like a bar than a classroom, so handle it like you would meeting someone a little coarse - don't look for the teacher. Thanks.
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
DryArmour

Who makes the best battle flags?

55 posts in this topic

We have had a LOT of customers asking us to make battle flags for their boats. In the interest of not reinventing the wheel...Who makes the best ones right now and how could they be better? We have been sending people to North Sails.

 

custom-boat-flags.png

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ullman made us some good ones

 

Whomever made your sails should give you a deal on your battle flag

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The greatest thing about our battle flag is that it was cut to fit the angle of our forestay and has a luff tape sewed into it. Made by North Sails.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The greatest thing about our battle flag is that it was cut to fit the angle of our forestay and has a luff tape sewed into it. Made by North Sails.

 

Sweet.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Let me know if you do it Mark. I may be interested. You already have our logo.

 

Gene

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The greatest thing about our battle flag is that it was cut to fit the angle of our forestay and has a luff tape sewed into it. Made by North Sails.

North made mine too. And it was cool that it fit the fore triangle with the luff tape sewed on. Also they made it bigger than I was planning. It fits the boat well.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Your mom

 

My Mom's dead but thank you for the thought.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Bettina and her crew at the Sail Bag Lady has done a good job for us.

 

Here's her link: https://sailbaglady.com

 

NFI

 

 

Bettina made mine. Luff tape and all. Only thing is it has multiple layers so it's a little heavy compared to one that's an inlay.

Gets a lot of attention. And I made the parell beads so I can hoist it over the furled genny.

 

 

P6160210.JPG

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have never considered a battle flag until 30 seconds ago.

 

How much Mark?

 

You have our logo and I still need to get a couple more shirts.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I had never heard of a "battle flag" until now, and now I suddenly want one. And I don't even race!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have never considered a battle flag until 30 seconds ago.

 

How much Mark?

 

You have our logo and I still need to get a couple more shirts.

 

We are working on the pricing and deciding who to partner with since it is clear that a lot of people want the luff tape/bolt rope version. We are also looking at the different options for UV protection for the graphic. We hope to have something to off in the next two weeks. Maybe sooner.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Are you thinking inked, or screen-printed, or fabric inlaid, or... ?

 

Can matter a lot, depending on design (eg, a non-symmetrical design screenprinted on a battle flag can look *horrible*.)

 

JMHO

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Another endorsement for The Sail Bag Lady here. She did a great job with our new battle flag. She has done other work for us in the past too. She uses flag cloth, so they should last a long time.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The Sail Bag Lady made a "wedding burgee" for us. High quality, seems durable. Made to spec with no problems.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Another endorsement for The Sail Bag Lady here. She did a great job with our new battle flag. She has done other work for us in the past too. She uses flag cloth, so they should last a long time.

I didn't know she was local, who did your design?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

UK sails made one for me. Looks good though the ink bleeds a bit. If you cut it for the forestay then consider putting a batten pocket in the top so it doesn't fold down under the weight.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

Another endorsement for The Sail Bag Lady here. She did a great job with our new battle flag. She has done other work for us in the past too. She uses flag cloth, so they should last a long time.

I didn't know she was local, who did your design?

 

 

That's a Reilly special. Apparently the first one took about 24 labor hours to design and build.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

By Far The Best --> Victoria's Secret

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

By Far The Best --> Victoria's Secret

 

You know the rules...Pictures Woody or it didn't happen.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

By Far The Best --> Victoria's Secret

 

You know the rules...Pictures Woody or it didn't happen.

 

& Buy an Ad

 

 

fixed B)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My experience: North Flags (yes, part of North Sails) and they are in San Diego. Great quality, reasonable price, and all the features you'd want.

Cheers, Greg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Billy from MacDesigns makes great Battle flags, usually screen printed on light flag material, they are finished however the client requests, be it Boltrope with grommets, Luff tape or free flying for Sprit boats and flown from Tackline and Masthead halyard.

 

They also have supplied Battle Flags with a 'Gaff Batten' that holds the flag up even in light/no breeze, works best on a Luff tape finished flag.

 

Inlays are available from your local sailmaker, however, can be expensive depending on the complexity and finish of the flag/design.

 

Of course, this is just an opinion...your mileage may vary.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Christie from North Sails made ours. I took a look at a large, Med and Small size. SWMBO picked the medium, Christie provided pre-manufacture proof and angled the cut and put the luff tape on.

 

It makes spotting the boat in a harbor or marina easy for arriving crew.

 

Was at a Beneteau R-dvous the other day, the cruisers wanted to know what a Battle Flag was...grin...learned that driving the USS Peterson - DD969!

post-791-0-04190400-1466603481_thumb.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

a Vixen Battle Flag :) just what we need

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Are you thinking inked, or screen-printed, or fabric inlaid, or... ?

 

Can matter a lot, depending on design (eg, a non-symmetrical design screenprinted on a battle flag can look *horrible*.)

 

JMHO

 

Dye sublimated would be our preference as then there is little limitation to size. We would like to create them for everything form a NACRA 17 for the US Olympic team if they would like one all the way up to the SUPER MAXIS.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Had a battle flag made by the Sailbag Lady. The owner was disappointed: not at all what was asked for and expected. Flew it once.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

Are you thinking inked, or screen-printed, or fabric inlaid, or... ?

 

Can matter a lot, depending on design (eg, a non-symmetrical design screenprinted on a battle flag can look *horrible*.)

 

JMHO

 

Dye sublimated would be our preference as then there is little limitation to size. We would like to create them for the US Olympic team

 

 

3-ply-toilet-paper.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Are you thinking inked, or screen-printed, or fabric inlaid, or... ?

 

Can matter a lot, depending on design (eg, a non-symmetrical design screenprinted on a battle flag can look *horrible*.)

 

JMHO

 

We are using all over flood sublimation. Starting the process now. We just need a few guinea pigs that want to give it a try for cheap. We are going to take our time at sorting out what system is going to be best for a two sided flag. Right now it looks like two dye sublimated panels sewn together and then adding webbing loops top and bottom and a #6 luff tape. Still working out the guinea pig pricing and then the production pricing. No one seems to list prices for battle flags. What does a small, medium or large flag cost these days?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Interested in being a guinea pig when the time comes

 

Yeah, could go one of these ...

 

post-108299-0-16296100-1472710269_thumb.png

 

.. as in ..

 

post-108299-0-73339200-1472710764_thumb.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Okay folks it is time. We are going to make eight more battle flags as BETA flags so if you need to show your colors and want to save a boatload of money for providing some simple feedback. NOW** is the time.  The first couple of sets of flags made their owners super happy but we want to be certain we have this right.

Email me if you want to be one of those eight remaining folks that give us feedback in exchange for a really inexpensive flag. email mark@dryshirt.com if you are interested. If we have already done shirts or other gear for you this will be super easy for you (and us). #6 luff tape professionally sewn by one of the best sail lofts in the world comes standard. 71-74 degree luff angle seems to be the norm. 

Ultraman Battle Flag 2.jpg

Rubato Battle Flag (002).jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My crew needs a flag that can be hoisted with either side up and still look okay. Can you do that? Can I get a spinnaker done the same way?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Discount without the luff tape? I've got an idea...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
18 minutes ago, daddle said:

My crew needs a flag that can be hoisted with either side up and still look okay. Can you do that? Can I get a spinnaker done the same way?

Yes, these are double sided flags with a blackout panel between them. Looks great from either side.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 6/26/2016 at 1:51 PM, DA-WOODY said:

 

3-ply-toilet-paper.jpg

Thast a terriballe battelle flagge!  I meane, wtf realley sayeng?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, fucket said:

Discount without the luff tape? I've got an idea...

The luff tape is pretty reasonable but yes, it is a little less expensive with grommets.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Mark - we can beta test for you with the RD logo on a light grey background (exactly like the shirts) and the flag with grommets.  It would be cool to have snaps or something around the forestay so the grommets dont get punished by the tension from the halyard. 

I need to order hats anyway.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
27 minutes ago, Code 2 said:

Mark - we can beta test for you with the RD logo on a light grey background (exactly like the shirts) and the flag with grommets.  It would be cool to have snaps or something around the forestay so the grommets dont get punished by the tension from the halyard. 

I need to order hats anyway.

 

YUP.  We can do that. Give me a call or an email today and we'll get you hooked up.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 6/11/2016 at 11:00 AM, DryArmour said:

 

We are working on the pricing and deciding who to partner with since it is clear that a lot of people want the luff tape/bolt rope version. We are also looking at the different options for UV protection for the graphic. We hope to have something to off in the next two weeks. Maybe sooner.

No need for UV protection, battle flags are flown only briefly.  They do serve a purpose besides boat bragging at the dock; in light air before the start they are a good semaphore for wind direction (if any).  Therefore, lightweight ripstop with cutout logos also of ripstop, or inks.  Hanks or luff tape is not important.  A pennant shape (a flag or banner longer in the fly than in the hoist; especially:  one that tapers to a point) from lightweight cloth will flag better than a square one.  Better to have it 2/3rds up the forestay than mid-forestay  to pick up wind zephyrs up high.  The fly should just be short enough to not touch the mast when hoisted.

I made my own in the '90s, cutout logo style (still in perfect shape); would never do it again because of the effort.  I'll pay next time.  Some thoughts, don't leave it up in high winds at the dock or the leech will get torn up with all the flapping (best to make the leech fat so you can resew if the leech fails) and store it dry in a mesh bag or it'll get funky. And no words or asymmetrical features so it looks the same from both sides.

I figure $400USD minimum for a good one is fair.




 

flag.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I got off easy. My boats name is Echo so bought a huge 3x5 "E" signal flag right off the shelve.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi mark,

 

I've sent you an email on the battle flags. I've also sent you the logos I use on my dragon. would be interested to know the options.

 

Jelle

Bloody mary.png

Bloody mary 2.png

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

from memory on the "big ruby" Daphne was flung to the ground by someone and drawn around , finished product came out ok too

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Dont Give Up the Ship

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I flew the Burgundy cross while in California...

Long ago used as a Naval ensign, it was the first flag to fly in California, long before California came to be California.

Connects my Spanish, French, & Dutch links...

- not much else does!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

A battle flag is easy to paint...cheap...if you like. I have had a sailmaker sew up the desired nylon quadrilateral with a luff tape and a couple of grommets. No big deal. Any color nylon you like. Then buy some fabric paint at the art supply vendor. Does not take much skill. The viewers are never close so perfection is secondary. Lasts a few seasons if it is only flown on race days.

The sailmaker can cut in the forestay angle if you like.

Simple designs that mirror from side to side are easier...of course...and look better...duh.

$100 tops...paint and cloth and sewing.

Hint: Make it huge. Some pictured above are inadequate.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The answer to the thread title:

 

Betsy Ross

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0