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37 minutes ago, chester said:

or equally likely, they will join the ranks of vloggers that never venture far from a marina, nearby sheltered anchorage and keep the dog...NTTIAWWT, just that the vlog will be like some many others, just two people blathering into the camera.

If they are lucky, I have a husky and after a few aborted attempts of getting an excited dog into a dingy on weekend trip, Guirec Soudée's chicken looks more practical to me. At best they won't be on the hook, but at another marina...at least while the camera isn't on.

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1 hour ago, nirikki said:

Had to do a double take that boat looks so much like a boat I use to own.  It was Hallberg P28 #8 (note pre -Rassy era).  Like any wood boat it was great if you enjoyed woodworking but did sail pretty well.

A picture from https://www.hallberg-rassy.com/yachts/previous-models/p-28/

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Looks like nice relaxed sailing at 25 degrees of heel. Nothing wrong with that, obviously the boat is doing well and there's no drama. Just the way they sailed. Halfway to Tom Scott.

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3 hours ago, Ishmael said:

Looks like nice relaxed sailing at 25 degrees of heel. Nothing wrong with that, obviously the boat is doing well and there's no drama. Just the way they sailed. Halfway to Tom Scott.

Yep, they hit 20 degrees and stay there forever.  As you said, with ~50% ballast ratio they are wet but stable.  The Hallberg had a self-bailing cockpit which was nice.

The Northwest School of Wooden Boatbuilding built a more traditional lapstrake version last year.  Now that it is sold I need to go check it out now that my checkbook isn't at risk.

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13 hours ago, nirikki said:

Had to do a double take that boat looks so much like a boat I use to own.  It was Hallberg P28 #8 (note pre -Rassy era).  Like any wood boat it was great if you enjoyed woodworking but did sail pretty well.

A picture from https://www.hallberg-rassy.com/yachts/previous-models/p-28/

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Looks like nice relaxed sailing at 25 degrees of heel. Nothing wrong with that, obviously the boat is doing well and there's no drama. Just the way they sailed. Halfway to Tom Scott.

That looks more like 35 degrees to me but she's well balanced and Mom and Little One are chill, so it's all good. 

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17 hours ago, Ishmael said:

Looks like nice relaxed sailing at 25 degrees of heel. Nothing wrong with that, obviously the boat is doing well and there's no drama. Just the way they sailed. Halfway to Tom Scott.

 

Whatever happened to Tom Scott ? I never did think he was on the level.

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as the sailor of twin keelers (which have to be sailed upright or no more than 15 degerees)  I regard you long keelers as indolent bastards - when the wind chips up you just let the physics take over - when the guists come at  me I have to ither ease the main sheet  sheet or stuff the boat into the wind while you long keel wallahs just take another puff on the pipe

 

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The little girl staring at the lens is mesmerizing. Calm, perfectly balanced, as if she's standing in her familiar kitchen, at home, waiting for the Aga to give up it's baking cookies. 

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When somebody asks about introducing their teenagers to sailing, I help all I can. But in my mind, the question is similar to; "When should I plant a tree?" The answer has already gone by. 

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Early favorite to win Best Clickbait 2019:

 

Big thanks to whoever posted the link for The Mariner/CSM channel. I've watched most of his vids now. Great stuff.

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4 hours ago, longhorn said:

Early favorite to win Best Clickbait 2019:

 

Big thanks to whoever posted the link for The Mariner/CSM channel. I've watched most of his vids now. Great stuff.

The nude beach on Maui is NOT what it is all cracked up to be.  Trust me.  lol

 

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, MauiPunter said:

The nude beach on Maui is NOT what it is all cracked up to be.  Trust me.  lol

 

 

 

 

They never are. Usually full of fat, old people that looks like walking beef jerky, at least in Florida where I grew up.

My submarine pulled into Curacao once, and word got out among the crew that there was a nude beach. 128 horny sailors who have been at sea for 33 straight days, near a nude beach. The Chief of The Boat gave us a stern lecture about behaving onshore, blah blah blah. He was expecting the worst from us.

When he was finished, I just turned around in my seat and told everyone that it would be full of fat, old Europeans and Americans on holiday and that nubile young women are usually WAY too full of insecurity and self-loathing to hit the nude beach. 

I was right, and my shipmates were very disappointed. Needless to say, no one "misbehaved" at the nude beach.

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I think it's funny that you'd explain it that way to a boat full of 128 horny sailors.

 

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On 1/29/2019 at 11:44 AM, freewheelin said:

 

- what looks to me like one accidental jibe from a really fucked up day.

 

 

Ahhh, you've hastily overlooked the slack preventer line with the loosely tied bowline lead straight down to the mid-ship cleat, which, presumably is backed-up with fender washers on the inside.

Aren't those fairleads on the reefing lines supposed to be fastened to the boom?

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1 hour ago, thereefgeek said:

Ahhh, you've hastily overlooked the slack preventer line with the loosely tied bowline lead straight down to the mid-ship cleat, which, presumably is backed-up with fender washers on the inside.

Aren't those fairleads on the reefing lines supposed to be fastened to the boom?

Good spotting on both issues. That "preventer" looks really useful. Not.

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1 hour ago, thereefgeek said:

Ahhh, you've hastily overlooked the slack preventer line with the loosely tied bowline lead straight down to the mid-ship cleat, which, presumably is backed-up with fender washers on the inside.

I was wondering who was going to mention that. I saw that "preventer", I was just not sure what it would actually prevent.

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58 minutes ago, freewheelin said:

I was wondering who was going to mention that. I saw that "preventer", I was just not sure what it would actually prevent.

It's there to "prevent" the boom from slamming into the starboard shrouds after it's swept the deck clean of cute little YouTubers who don't believe in lifelines... 

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I was assuming that I was fooled by camera perspective, somehow. :unsure: They used to have a boom brake dangling from the boom all the time.  Never saw it rigged in any video.  

Weird how I know things about other people's boats who I don't know and have never seen.  It was a long winter last year.  

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On 2/2/2019 at 1:29 AM, nirikki said:

Yep, they hit 20 degrees and stay there forever.  As you said, with ~50% ballast ratio they are wet but stable.  The Hallberg had a self-bailing cockpit which was nice.

The Northwest School of Wooden Boatbuilding built a more traditional lapstrake version last year.  Now that it is sold I need to go check it out now that my checkbook isn't at risk.

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God! That's just lovely. Re. the Hallberg, notice how little the tiller is off centerline? My boat hits 20 degrees heel and I've got the wheel down at four/eight o-clock, traveler almost all the way to leeward.. 

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22 hours ago, kinardly said:

God! That's just lovely. Re. the Hallberg, notice how little the tiller is off centerline? My boat hits 20 degrees heel and I've got the wheel down at four/eight o-clock, traveler almost all the way to leeward.. 

Hallberg built Folkboats in the '40s.  I think the P28 (1955-73) is a stretched Folkboat -- and the FB is to my eye the ideal beauty among sailboats. Amusingly, from the HR website:

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A P 28 is part of the movie "The way we are", with Barbra Streisand and Robert Redford, recorded 1973, but the action in the movie should show the era between the end of the 1930s and the beginning of the 1950s. So actually some years ahead of when the first P28 was launched.

 

 

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The recumbent bicycle of the boating world.

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Ok, I'll admit to OCCASIONALLY having a sense of humour more commonly found in a 14 year old boy so i sniggered just a bit

 

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3 hours ago, dylan winter said:

this one has a very good script - well read

she sounds like Missy from Big Mouth

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2 minutes ago, freewheelin said:

she sounds like Missy from Big Mouth

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not an entirely bad thing - at least she sounds interested in whaat she has to say

Lone Star always sounds boreed with life

 

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1 minute ago, dylan winter said:

not an entirely bad thing - at least she sounds interested in whaat she has to say

Lone Star always sounds boreed with life

Not bad at all, I like the voice.

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No soft porn but the 'My Classic Boat' Youtube channel is one I enjoy, and it has sailing! The work is not the quality of Keep Turning Left but the short pieces have interesting boats (wood and glass), interesting owners and good local knowledge.

 

This is their latest upload on the Hamble River. Sailing out of GB looks challenging in most areas. Imagine negotiating the Hamble, where currents run 5 knots, on an August morning. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Kris Cringle said:

No soft porn but the 'My Classic Boat' Youtube channel is one I enjoy, and it has sailing! The work is not the quality of Keep Turning Left but the short pieces have interesting boats (wood and glass), interesting owners and good local knowledge.

 

This is their latest upload on the Hamble River. Sailing out of GB looks challenging in most areas. Imagine negotiating the Hamble, where currents run 5 knots, on an August morning. 

 

 

the hamble scramble

3000 boats on one short river

 

all trying to leave on a sunday morning

 

 

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9 hours ago, dylan winter said:

this one has a very good script - well read

the boat they bought had a safe on it

currently earning $141 per movie

Jean Modreau in the credits.  Rimas's enabler?

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1 hour ago, Blitz said:

Jean Modreau in the credits.  Rimas's enabler?

Jean Mondeau. Could be. He's the boat supplier, right?

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So, as a slave to the old-boat refit myself I was compelled to watch a few of these "man-bun" married couples' adventures into ferocement boat ownership...

First and foremost, do any of these (not just them, but many others I've seen on the interwebs) young dumb fucks bother with a proper haul-out & survey before they spill the coin on a pipe dream?

Apparently not: 

"Now that we're saddled with the responsibility of boat ownership, it might well crikey be time to hang her in the slings and find out what what exactly we've gotten ourselves into."

Good grief.

So it seems that their concrete boat defies the laws of physics and doesn't float at the same rate as the dock to which they are tied?

My boat has a bowsprit, and I've never hit anything with it that I didn't intend to...

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2 hours ago, thereefgeek said:

So, as a slave to the old-boat refit myself I was compelled to watch a few of these "man-bun" married couples' adventures into ferocement boat ownership...

First and foremost, do any of these (not just them, but many others I've seen on the interwebs) young dumb fucks bother with a proper haul-out & survey before they spill the coin on a pipe dream?

Apparently not: 

"Now that we're saddled with the responsibility of boat ownership, it might well crikey be time to hang her in the slings and find out what what exactly we've gotten ourselves into."

Good grief.

So it seems that their concrete boat defies the laws of physics and doesn't float at the same rate as the dock to which they are tied?

My boat has a bowsprit, and I've never hit anything with it that I didn't intend to...

 

Holy cow! They are advising others on 'living the dream'? These kids are nice enough but they don't even know, how much they don't know. This is a dangerous time in life,...

 

 

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i will take pass on these half-wits, thanks. 

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1 hour ago, Kris Cringle said:

This is a dangerous time in life,...

Yes, that awkward time between puberty and adulthood.  When said young swarthy man-bun child doesn't quite realize his true limitations when it comes to getting shit done. 

Jeezus; so many subscribers, yet so little knowledge.  And I'm talking BASIC knowledge.  As in the knowledge of walking away whilst you still can.

According to Patreon, six people give them $25/each per video.

Maybe Patreon should have an option to to pledge money to NOT DO THIS!!

I'd give them a Ben Franklin right now just to go and look for a proper boat...

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It seems as if “The Old Sea Dog” may be in a bit of trouble.

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2820496#post2820496

I have never been able to watch more than a minute or so of his stuff, but he did seem to pop up on other channels quite a lot when I was watching.  The Forrest Gump of YouTube?  Anyway, he is out there and sailing along to the Marquesas at 2 knots for 66 days and counting, so as long as he has enough beans, and water, and books, then “Good On Him,” as they say. (Especially since me and my boat have been sitting here high and dry and covered in snow and ice for that long, and counting...)

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6 hours ago, thereefgeek said:

Yes, that awkward time between puberty and adulthood.  When said young swarthy man-bun child doesn't quite realize his true limitations when it comes to getting shit done. 

Jeezus; so many subscribers, yet so little knowledge.  And I'm talking BASIC knowledge.  As in the knowledge of walking away whilst you still can.

According to Patreon, six people give them $25/each per video.

Maybe Patreon should have an option to to pledge money to NOT DO THIS!!

I'd give them a Ben Franklin right now just to go and look for a proper boat...

I don't get the complete cluelessness. If they have enough knowledge to make and post a video they could get on the internet and google. It would take 30 mins of free research to learn that a crap boat is not worth it even if free. Docking, mooring lines, surveys and lots of other info is readily available. I admire anyone willing to jump in to a project, but to do so in this era blind makes no sense.

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8 minutes ago, steele said:

I don't get the complete cluelessness. 

Dunno... I have not watched these two and probably will not, but there are weird generational things going on.  Like, grown 20-something people proudly post how they just (sort of) learned to use a screwdriver or (sort of) cut a piece of wood. But then they casually whip out 200 lines of code to have a microprocessor control the lighting on that crooked scrap of wood...

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5 minutes ago, toddster said:

Dunno... I have not watched these two and probably will not, but there are weird generational things going on.  Like, grown 20-something people proudly post how they just (sort of) learned to use a screwdriver or (sort of) cut a piece of wood. But then they casually whip out 200 lines of code to have a microprocessor control the lighting on that crooked scrap of wood...

It's called being an idiot savant. Idiot usually being the key word.

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Great article from SAIL about Delos.   No bikinis, no warm weather though.  ;)

 

https://www.sailmagazine.com/cruising/youtube-sailing-stars-and-an-expedition-yacht-crew-team-up-for-an-arctic-adventure#gid=ci02398008e00027a8&pid=roald

Delos is the real McCoy, that's for sure.  I don't care what anybody says. 

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9 hours ago, toddster said:

It seems as if “The Old Sea Dog” may be in a bit of trouble.

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2820496#post2820496

I have never been able to watch more than a minute or so of his stuff, but he did seem to pop up on other channels quite a lot when I was watching.  The Forrest Gump of YouTube?  Anyway, he is out there and sailing along to the Marquesas at 2 knots for 66 days and counting, so as long as he has enough beans, and water, and books, then “Good On Him,” as they say. (Especially since me and my boat have been sitting here high and dry and covered in snow and ice for that long, and counting...)

Not to sound like a ghoul, but it is entirely possible that Barry is no longer aboard or is incapacitated and the boat is sailing itself. His satellite tracker may be reporting automatically, powered by wind and solar.

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9 hours ago, steele said:

I don't get the complete cluelessness. If they have enough knowledge to make and post a video they could get on the internet and google. It would take 30 mins of free research to learn that a crap boat is not worth it even if free. Docking, mooring lines, surveys and lots of other info is readily available. I admire anyone willing to jump in to a project, but to do so in this era blind makes no sense.

You can't fix stupid. Either that or they're crazy like a fox and are just manufacturing a story to carve out a "clueless idiots buy a boat" niche in a crowded field.

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3 minutes ago, IStream said:

You can't fix stupid. Either that or they're crazy like a fox and are just manufacturing a story to carve out a "clueless idiots buy a boat" niche in a crowded field.

I think that their generation understands more than we know about social media

being pretty/handsome helps - having a great looking boat helps... building an audience is everything.

the main thing is to tell a story - and they are doing that rather well. It is not a sailing story, other than a concrete boat damaged itself against a post - the rest is just a story well told.

Dylan

I hope Barry is okay

this Barry's first seadog film

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, olaf hart said:

More Mariner madness, this guy is amazing and I learn so much every vid

https://youtu.be/Cg-2dQCZv1U

I have struggled watching Youtube series' in general, but really enjoy his stuff. A good blend of knowledge, humor, and an interesting topic.  

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1 hour ago, IStream said:

You can't fix stupid. Either that or they're crazy like a fox and are just manufacturing a story to carve out a "clueless idiots buy a boat" niche in a crowded field.

I am starting to suspect you are on to something. Could they really be so dumb as to spend half a day using a saw, claw hammer and chisle to remove a fiddle in the v-berth only to discover the the three screws that hold it in place afterwards?

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2 hours ago, Ajax said:

Not to sound like a ghoul, but it is entirely possible that Barry is no longer aboard or is incapacitated and the boat is sailing itself. His satellite tracker may be reporting automatically, powered by wind and solar.

I do hope that he is okay. I have subscribed to his channel and looked forward to the new vids he posts. He replied to one of my comments and let me in on how to make a proper English breakfast.  

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11 hours ago, toddster said:

It seems as if “The Old Sea Dog” may be in a bit of trouble.

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2820496#post2820496

I have never been able to watch more than a minute or so of his stuff, but he did seem to pop up on other channels quite a lot when I was watching.  The Forrest Gump of YouTube?  Anyway, he is out there and sailing along to the Marquesas at 2 knots for 66 days and counting, so as long as he has enough beans, and water, and books, then “Good On Him,” as they say. (Especially since me and my boat have been sitting here high and dry and covered in snow and ice for that long, and counting...)

Barry! I hope he's okay, nice guy from his videos. He seems pretty resilient but 66 days going 2 kts would make anybody nuts. I hope he shows up safe and sound. Its seems to me though that if they have a satellite tracking signal he should be able to communicate thru text... 

Edit: tracking is via AIS satellite reception so no text capability. Lets hope he's OK!

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6 hours ago, nlmasopust said:

Great article from SAIL about Delos.   No bikinis, no warm weather though.  ;)

 

https://www.sailmagazine.com/cruising/youtube-sailing-stars-and-an-expedition-yacht-crew-team-up-for-an-arctic-adventure#gid=ci02398008e00027a8&pid=roald

Delos is the real McCoy, that's for sure.  I don't care what anybody says. 

Delos is legit. They are the gold standard of the genre. 

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7 hours ago, nlmasopust said:

Great article from SAIL about Delos.   No bikinis, no warm weather though.  ;)

 

https://www.sailmagazine.com/cruising/youtube-sailing-stars-and-an-expedition-yacht-crew-team-up-for-an-arctic-adventure#gid=ci02398008e00027a8&pid=roald

Delos is the real McCoy, that's for sure.  I don't care what anybody says. 

I Love how Andy Schell calls his own charter boat company an "expedition yacht crew". That guy's ego is something else if you have ever listened to his podcast.

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RE: Barry (Old Sea Dog) this post from yesterday on his facebook. They 'spotted' him but no contact other than that apparently. Im not sure why that would give them much comfort.

 

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Spotted "him" or spotted "his boat?"

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That looks to me like a reference to the previously mentioned satellite fix.  

We can hope that Barry is just channeling his inner Rimas for some reason and will pop up in a week or so...

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I´ve been following Barry since the beginning, and was hoping for an update soon - he expected a 50 day passage when he left in the beginning of December.

One thing though, I don't think his boat is very fast, and Barry doesn't seem to push her very hard either - but then, 2 knots is VERY slow...

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1 hour ago, alphafb552 said:

I´ve been following Barry since the beginning, and was hoping for an update soon - he expected a 50 day passage when he left in the beginning of December.

One thing though, I don't think his boat is very fast, and Barry doesn't seem to push her very hard either - but then, 2 knots is VERY slow...

two knots sounds like drift

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52 minutes ago, dylan winter said:

two knots sounds like drift

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Lets just hope he's not "adrift". Seems to be a nice fella. 

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We helped a boat get into the harbor at Nuka Hiva. They took 47 days (we took 19 on same pasage).

We passed them mid-ocean one night about 2 miles away. It was blowing 15 knots, we were doing about 7. I thought it was a fishing boat so I gave them a call on VHF to see if they had nets out. Turns out it was a sailboat doing about 3.5 knots. The owner was a really poor sailor.

When they arrived the gooseneck barnacles were sooo thick on the stern of his entire hull. Once you've been going for some time, the rate of growth and quantity of gooseneck barnacles keeps increasing. So you go slower. And grow/attract more barnacles. Which makes you slower...

Could be just autopilot problems and he might be lots of handsteering or rig damage (jury rig?). If he's still on course then I wouldn't worry too much.
 

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On 2/6/2019 at 9:38 PM, Kris Cringle said:

No soft porn but the 'My Classic Boat' Youtube channel is one I enjoy, and it has sailing! The work is not the quality of Keep Turning Left but the short pieces have interesting boats (wood and glass), interesting owners and good local knowledge.

 

This is their latest upload on the Hamble River. Sailing out of GB looks challenging in most areas. Imagine negotiating the Hamble, where currents run 5 knots, on an August morning. 

 

 

It’s all part of the fun of sailing and racing in the Solent, the sandbanks and ledges just add to it all. :P

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3 minutes ago, mad said:

It’s all part of the fun of sailing and racing in the Solent, the sandbanks and ledges just add to it all. :P

I agree - solent sailors are like those in Sydney Harbour or I assume American hotspots - are all good at handling their boats

They are a bit like city drivers

I read somewhere that there are 50,000 solent based sailors

It is just over an hour from London if you get up early enough

So many wonderful places to sail to

Dylan

 

 

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I thought dodging charter boats was bad enough, but Sydney Harbour takes it to a whole new level. This is a Wednesday afternoon...

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10 hours ago, Mark Set said:

Delos is legit. They are the gold standard of the genre. 

Mark Le Vag have superior numbers to Delos but that appears to be on account they appeal to two different audiences (outside the fettlers etc) and not the opinion of one audience. There must be some dual viewers, however their number I suspect is in the minority. 

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Music

 

your thoughts chaps

 

who uses it well and who makes a horlicks of it

 

what about the market leaders and the way they use music

 

I am guessing that both of them have some-one ashore doing the final polishing and mixing and uploading

 

what about a titles sequence - do you like those?  How often should they change

 

Dylan

 

 

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1 hour ago, dylan winter said:

Music

 

your thoughts chaps

 

who uses it well and who makes a horlicks of it

 

what about the market leaders and the way they use music

 

I am guessing that both of them have some-one ashore doing the final polishing and mixing and uploading

 

what about a titles sequence - do you like those?  How often should they change

 

Dylan

 

 

IMHO, Leo does the best job with music on his Tally Ho videos. Good variety, universally appealing, not overdone. The shorter the better for title credits. They don't need to change because they aren't the main attraction. The worst are those who do an endless recap of past "episodes". Ending credits can be longer because you can always just turn them off. 

FWIW.

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1 hour ago, IStream said:

IMHO, Leo does the best job with music on his Tally Ho videos. Good variety, universally appealing, not overdone. The shorter the better for title credits. They don't need to change because they aren't the main attraction. The worst are those who do an endless recap of past "episodes". Ending credits can be longer because you can always just turn them off. 

FWIW.

here is one of leos

I agree - the music is well done

 

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14 hours ago, IStream said:

The worst are those who do an endless recap of past "episodes"

Would you mind explaining this a bit further? One of the things that is hard to get right is knowing the balance between letting new viewers know what the project is about by showing a brief recap of the previous episode vs boring current viewers of the videos with something they have seen already

 

Would be interested in knowing peoples thoughts on this.  

 

Also, what are peoples opinion of video frequency? Is there a point where channels are uploading too frequently? 

 

Thanks

Rhys

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The successful ones put out a 16 min video a week. I think that unless you are posting each week then you are buggered - like KTL

I have never used what happened and what is next. Ditto title sequence

I do find constabnt reminders a bit of a nuisance - and this is the web so yiou can always find a re-cap.  Having said that I get lots of questions from confused old men "how did you tow you boat to scotland" was a good one.  (answer - I sailed it up there)

 

this one here is 52 seconds on a 9 minute film

 

So many video series out there - we have saturation.

 

having said that moving my films off youtube has been pretty successful. Most people feel no pressure to chip in when watching on their free youtube app.

If they come to my website to watch the films with a proper voice over then they clearly feel more pressure to  chip in - a bit like coming to dinner in another persons house without brings a bottle or a bunch of flowers.

The result is that I am getting around a quarter the number of youtube hits but double the number on my website and taps are up by about 20 per cent - which is the first up-tick for three seasons.

Interesting experiment.

 

Dylan

 

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It's hard as a one man show to get boat work done, videos out and go to work as work as well so i try to get a decent video out when i can. Strangles my growth massively but if i were to put out a video a week they would be sh*t (not to say my current ones are anything special but i try my best). Wouldn't change a thing though (except to have more time), i really enjoy both the boat work and the video work. It's a lot of fun, and it's very nice when people feel it's enough to chip in a few euro towards. 

Well done Dylan, glad your experiment is working out for you. I agree that weekly videos plus the likes of a facebook or Instagram account posting behind the scenes aids things massively. The thing with social media platforms is consistent and frequent interesting content is how to grow. 

 

I'm just curious to hear what people that aren't into making videos think. 

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6 hours ago, Zora said:

Would you mind explaining this a bit further? One of the things that is hard to get right is knowing the balance between letting new viewers know what the project is about by showing a brief recap of the previous episode vs boring current viewers of the videos with something they have seen already

 

Would be interested in knowing peoples thoughts on this.  

 

Also, what are peoples opinion of video frequency? Is there a point where channels are uploading too frequently? 

 

Thanks

Rhys

I also find that introductory recap to be very annoying.  If we want to know what happened in the previous video, we can pop it up and watch it any time we want.  It’s not like the old days of live broadcast when the sands of time had inexorably flowed by.  I am presupposing that we are talking about entertainment here, not infusing knowledge that Is Going To Be On The Test.  

Some channels exacerbate the annoyance because a lot of what happened in the previous episode was  mind-numbing minutia that we didn’t need to see in the first place.  Filler material.  Repeating the filler is just dangling a big clue in front of the viewer that he would be better-off to turn off the box and go outside.   

The only time that a recap seems useful is if it is needed to understand the present episode.  Even so, it should be as short and snappy as possible.  

“In this video, we continue our cruise down the coast of Elbonia. At the end of the previous episode, we had just arrived in Mud Bay...”

”This is my third video about retrofitting an Interocitor into a Catalina 22.  When we left off, I had just poured the concrete and today I will be etching arcane runes into that slab with chicken blood.”  

But... I have a horrible feeling that someone may have done data analysis on the matter and determined that they can drive mass behavior (Increase views of prior episodes 14%? Purchase 8% more of the products featured?) by including recaps.  Moo.  Moo.  Let’s hope that it’s more a matter of Hanlon’s Razor. 

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1 minute ago, toddster said:

I also find that introductory recap to be very annoying.  If we want to know what happened in the previous video, we can pop it up and watch it any time we want.  It’s not like the old days of live broadcast when the sands of time had inexorably flowed by.  I am presupposing that we are talking about entertainment here, not infusing knowledge that Is Going To Be On The Test.  

Some channels exacerbate the annoyance because a lot of what happened in the previous episode was  mind-numbing minutia that we didn’t need to see in the first place.  Filler material.  Repeating the filler is just dangling a big clue in front of the viewer that he would be better-off to turn off the box and go outside.   

The only time that a recap seems useful is if it is needed to understand the present episode.  Even so, it should be as short and snappy as possible.  

“In this video, we continue our cruise down the coast of Elbonia. At the end of the previous episode, we had just arrived in Mud Bay...”

”This is my third video about retrofitting an Interocitor into a Catalina 22.  When we left off, I had just poured the concrete and today I will be etching arcane runes into that slab with chicken blood.”  

But... I have a horrible feeling that someone may have done data analysis on the matter and determined that they can drive mass behavior (Increase views of prior episodes 14%? Purchase 8% more of the products featured?) by including recaps.  Moo.  Moo.  Let’s hope that it’s more a matter of Hanlon’s Razor. 

I try and stick a 10 or 20 second recap in as i feel it leads into the next job, for eg. "the last few weeks have been spent doing X job and today we are moving on to Y job"

 

Helps to tell the story as such.

 

I'm more talking about build channels, i don't really watch sailing channels but i can see why a recap of the last episode might be off putting. 

 

Cheers for the input, it helps me a lot. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, toddster said:

I also find that introductory recap to be very annoying.  If we want to know what happened in the previous video, we can pop it up and watch it any time we want.  It’s not like the old days of live broadcast when the sands of time had inexorably flowed by.  I am presupposing that we are talking about entertainment here, not infusing knowledge that Is Going To Be On The Test.  

Some channels exacerbate the annoyance because a lot of what happened in the previous episode was  mind-numbing minutia that we didn’t need to see in the first place.  Filler material.  Repeating the filler is just dangling a big clue in front of the viewer that he would be better-off to turn off the box and go outside.   

The only time that a recap seems useful is if it is needed to understand the present episode.  Even so, it should be as short and snappy as possible.  

“In this video, we continue our cruise down the coast of Elbonia. At the end of the previous episode, we had just arrived in Mud Bay...”

”This is my third video about retrofitting an Interocitor into a Catalina 22.  When we left off, I had just poured the concrete and today I will be etching arcane runes into that slab with chicken blood.”  

But... I have a horrible feeling that someone may have done data analysis on the matter and determined that they can drive mass behavior (Increase views of prior episodes 14%? Purchase 8% more of the products featured?) by including recaps.  Moo.  Moo.  Let’s hope that it’s more a matter of Hanlon’s Razor. 

well written

there is the snag - no-one has a sailing life that is interesting enough for 16 minutes of reality TV a week

However, to survive you have to feed the dragon week in and week out

Tough gig

D

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Latest  news from Barry Perrins the old seadog, thankfully good:

Tina Perrins-Campbell And finally… news of the Old Seadog.
So relieved to hear that Barry is fit and well. That his delay has been due to problems with Shadow rather than any health/injuries.
He’s hoping to make land within the next week. He will be overwhelmed by the sup
port you have all shown. It has kept me going through some very dark moments.
I am immensely proud of my brother.
Thank you to our cousins Malcolm and Sally for their practical and emotional support.
A huge thanks to Dave, Barry’s ‘eyes on shore’ for making it happen. Eternally grateful. Xx
 
Malcolm Perrins All fantastic news .. a French warship launched a plane they have spoken to Barry by VHF and he waved to them from the cockpit, he is well and has plenty of food and water. He has problems with his self steering and something with the mast, but he confirmed he does not require any assistance and hopes to make landfall unaided.

Many thanks indeed for all the support on this forum, if you have relayed my request to other forums and media I would be most grateful if you could give this update

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excellent news! Barry is a good guy, what happened to him before he left to cross the pacific was unfair. 

 

Glad he is safe

 

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41 minutes ago, Zora said:

excellent news! Barry is a good guy, what happened to him before he left to cross the pacific was unfair. 

 

Glad he is safe

 

tell us the story

 

d

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23 minutes ago, dylan winter said:

tell us the story

 

d

His boat got ransacked and they nicked all his cameras and laptop with HDD with all his videos stored on it. 

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9 hours ago, Zora said:

Would you mind explaining this a bit further? One of the things that is hard to get right is knowing the balance between letting new viewers know what the project is about by showing a brief recap of the previous episode vs boring current viewers of the videos with something they have seen already

 

Would be interested in knowing peoples thoughts on this.  

 

Also, what are peoples opinion of video frequency? Is there a point where channels are uploading too frequently? 

 

Thanks

Rhys

Here's the best example of what I don't like from "Ugly Americans Sail the World":

There's a full minute of recap/intro at the beginning of every episode, along with shitty electronic music.

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3 hours ago, toddster said:

I also find that introductory recap to be very annoying.  If we want to know what happened in the previous video, we can pop it up and watch it any time we want.  It’s not like the old days of live broadcast when the sands of time had inexorably flowed by.  I am presupposing that we are talking about entertainment here, not infusing knowledge that Is Going To Be On The Test.  

Some channels exacerbate the annoyance because a lot of what happened in the previous episode was  mind-numbing minutia that we didn’t need to see in the first place.  Filler material.  Repeating the filler is just dangling a big clue in front of the viewer that he would be better-off to turn off the box and go outside.   

The only time that a recap seems useful is if it is needed to understand the present episode.  Even so, it should be as short and snappy as possible.  

“In this video, we continue our cruise down the coast of Elbonia. At the end of the previous episode, we had just arrived in Mud Bay...”

”This is my third video about retrofitting an Interocitor into a Catalina 22.  When we left off, I had just poured the concrete and today I will be etching arcane runes into that slab with chicken blood.”  

But... I have a horrible feeling that someone may have done data analysis on the matter and determined that they can drive mass behavior (Increase views of prior episodes 14%? Purchase 8% more of the products featured?) by including recaps.  Moo.  Moo.  Let’s hope that it’s more a matter of Hanlon’s Razor. 

As humans, tho, we crave continuity. It's what turns a series of events into a narrative. Without glances back and ahead, a given campfire tale is purely episodic. And the risk there is your audience doesn't track your work backwards and forwards.  They need to feel invested in the story arc, or they'll just sample here & there -- or have their heads turned by another story that's just as compelling as yours. 

Episodic programming can work -- each installment of The Twilight Zone stood alone, for instance (tho the presence of Serling's voiceover provided a sort of continuity). But if you really want an audience to follow you thru thick & thin, over a long period of time, and to carve out room in their busy lives for your material -- ya gotta link your chapters together. In the unlikely event GRRM ever publishes the last book in the ASOIAF (Game of Thrones) universe, it will sell roughly one billion copies in the first 48 hours.  Because some of us have been reading those monstrosities for, like, eighteen years: we care about the characters, we've studied the backstories, we're eager to see how the prophecies & foreshadowing work out -- and by God we've invested hundreds of hours in the project & will  stand on line & fork over $30 to get our payoff.

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I think Delos has certainly captured the offshore wanna-be market. I was at an OCC party/dinner (~60 people) and several new to sailing folks mentioned watching their videos. After they changed the intro music (Ramukanji) on their latest video (voyaging to Northern Norway I recall), the comments in the Youtube videos were all people hating the change. People like the consistency I think. Think of popular TV shows like MASH, Friends or Seinfeld etc. They don't change their intro music/scene all the time.

I agree that the recaps should be as short as possible.

Nobody said anything about La Vag :)  Several of the Delos viewers were very impressed that we knew the Delos crew PERSONALLY. Celebrity by association!

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Guess I haven’t tuned in for a whie.  I was hoping that those Ramukanji guys were getting something out of the deal. I’ll bet they’ve at least sold a few albums.  

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On 2/10/2019 at 4:22 AM, dylan winter said:

what about a titles sequence - do you like those?  How often should they change

Don't watch them anymore but Delos's got tiresome. If rules of TV apply never change.