dylan winter

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2 minutes ago, WGWarburton said:

 I think your ManagementSpeak is letting you down here, Dylan: IIUC, you can either be out of a loop or behind a curve... otherwise it would just be meaningless nonsense.... 

Oh, wait... uh ...

As you were.

Sorry,

              W.

Going forward, there was a  paradigm shift...

 

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5 minutes ago, olaf hart said:

Going forward, there was a  paradigm shift...

 

disintermediation and re-intermediation - both very,very important in this bespoke service space

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Words/phrases misused in the US that I'd like to see banned:

artisanal 

curated (unless in relation to a museum)

centered around   (the center of something is a point)

amazing

woke, snowflake, fake news... (and any other political buzzword, regardless of party)

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+1000 on "amazing."  Also:

organic

cruelty free

sharing economy

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Seriously, people need to discover other adjectives.

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9 minutes ago, Ajax said:

Fucking Seriously, fucking people need to fucking discover other fucking adjectives.

Helpful? Works as an adverb too!

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6 minutes ago, monsoon said:

Helpful? Works as an adverb too!

my mother is not keen on potty mouths

she is dead - but the word you use continues to make me uncomfortable

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3 minutes ago, dylan winter said:

my mother is not keen on potty mouths

she is dead - but the word you use continues to make me uncomfortable

I'm ____________ sorry for my ___________ potty mouth.

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3 minutes ago, monsoon said:

I'm ____________ sorry for my ___________ potty mouth.

it is me.... not you

my daughter uses the word too

everyone does

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1 minute ago, dylan winter said:

it is me.... not you

my daughter uses the word too

everyone does

D

And it is rarely used in it's correct verbal context. Still, many find it a powerful emphasis language tool.  

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22 minutes ago, Kris Cringle said:

And it is rarely used in it's correct verbal context. Still, many find it a powerful emphasis language tool.  

Use of this and other expletives cycles with the times. I remember my uncle and father saying that they had to re-train their language after returning from WWII.  No more "pass the fucking potato salad." 

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1 hour ago, Israel Hands said:

Words/phrases misused in the US that I'd like to see banned:

artisanal 

curated (unless in relation to a museum)

centered around   (the center of something is a point)

amazing

woke, snowflake, fake news... (and any other political buzzword, regardless of party)

In what sense people use artisanal?

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On 7/22/2019 at 1:58 PM, dylan winter said:

good thumbnail from drenched

 

 

     I've been there done that but fortunately it was only into the day tank. Still I thought I was going to get keel hauled by the skipper.

A couple of hours later we had dealt with the fuel and were in the Customs and Immigration House in Bermuda and the old very official and proper Black Bermudian officer filling out the forms asks in his beautiful English/Island accent,

    "Sir, have there been any deaths on board since your last debarkation?"

      The skipper looks over at me and answers,

     "NOT YET!..."

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On 7/22/2019 at 2:58 PM, dylan winter said:

good thumbnail from drenched

 

 

I lasted exactly 37 seconds before the reality TV "confession cam" format put me off.  I won't be watching these clowns.

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6 hours ago, dylan winter said:


clearly i am behind the loop on this one

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The boat is for sale in Mexico. Asking $79k. Doesn't seem completely unreasonable. 

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i jerrycanned 5 gallons of diesel into a 1/2 ton farm truck once...the old man was not amused

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2 hours ago, Troglodytarum said:

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As long as the cheese wasn't industrially produced that's the proper use of the French word!

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17 minutes ago, Panoramix said:

As long as the cheese wasn't industrially produced that's the proper use of the French word!

It started being used close to 15 years ago by Whole Foods and others to describe cheeses and other items.  Now it's gotten to the point that anything and everything is artisanal - that is, if it's not curated or bespoke.  The terms are trite and silly now in the US marketplace

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39 minutes ago, Israel Hands said:

It started being used close to 15 years ago by Whole Foods and others to describe cheeses and other items.  Now it's gotten to the point that anything and everything is artisanal - that is, if it's not curated or bespoke.  The terms are trite and silly now in the US marketplace

Ah, "bespoke."  I forgot about that one. Here's a video that combines many of these overused, now hated words, all in one!

 

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3 hours ago, Troglodytarum said:

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There appears to be an extra space between ARTIS and ANAL. Assume that's why there's a finger pointing to it.

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39 minutes ago, Ajax said:

Ah, "bespoke."  I forgot about that one. Here's a video that combines many of these overused, now hated words, all in one!

 

That'll clog up your head....

 

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1 hour ago, Ajax said:

Ah, "bespoke."  I forgot about that one. Here's a video that combines many of these overused, now hated words, all in one!

 

Bespoke is better than heirloom in this case.

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1 hour ago, Ajax said:

Ah, "bespoke."  I forgot about that one. Here's a video that combines many of these overused, now hated words, all in one!

 

top notch high end viral marketing there chaps

D

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American marketing laws allow some wild exaggeration, a classic example being Tito's "Handmade" Vodka.  Which drives those of us running authentic craft distilling operations fucking crazy.

http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2017/10/the-truth-about-titos-and-all-vodka.html

'... words such as 'handmade' and 'craft' don't mean what you think they mean. In fact, according to most court rulings on the matter, they don't mean anything. They are considered permissible advertising 'puffery,' subjective not objective, not measurable or provable, "which no reasonable person would presume to be literally true." '

(no, I'm not Chuck, he just wrote one of the more lucid bits on the topic...)

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At least he has good taste in music.  :)    I know most of you will hate it.  :D
 

 

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12 hours ago, Troglodytarum said:

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Was the space between "Artis" and "Anal" intentional?

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I'm just waiting for Mads to announce that Eva's pregnant and he is starting work on converting both monohulls to a custom built catamaran.  The stock value of bosch tools, sand paper and fiberglass matting will go through the roof.  This will also allow for five more years of video production without actually sailing. 

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28 minutes ago, Dogscout said:

I'm just waiting for Mads to announce that Eva's pregnant and he is starting work on converting both monohulls to a custom built catamaran.  The stock value of bosch tools, sand paper and fiberglass matting will go through the roof.  This will also allow for five more years of video production without actually sailing. 

but this guy says he is going to fix his lovely Italian Yacht 

 

and it is indeed a lovely thing

 

not sure it needs fixing but at least he wears his hat on back to front - which is a good thing

 

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4 hours ago, rattus32 said:

Was the space between "Artis" and "Anal" intentional?

 

4 hours ago, rattus32 said:

Was the space between "Artis" and "Anal" intentional?

I think it’s a bit of a set up - you will notice the Scallop Crud below it. 

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Hello everyone, first time poster.....   I found this thread a few months ago and decided to read the whole thread before even registering or posting.  So after a page here, two pages there, stopping to watch many of the posted videos and life interrupting, I finally caught up.  I'm here to offer zero insight into sailing itself as the only sailboard I've ever stepped on was a sunset booze cruise in 2015 when I got married in Jamaica.  Paying attention to the boat and what was happening wasn't my priority so I'd call my sailing experience nada.  I am originally from the US Midwest and have lived in Alabama the past 20 years, still 4 hours from the Gulf Coast.  

That said, this thread has kept me interested (less a few of the drifts along the way) and I have watched many of the current crop of sailing videos, many with my wife.  We watch on our 65" 4k TV and typically have watched 3-6 videos at a time, depending on length.  Hopefully, if I am able to bring anything to this thread is the perspective of (as has been described here) a couch potato that just sits on the sidelines and will likely never spend significant time on a sailboat.  

I've now watched all videos from LaVagabonde, Delos, MJ Sailing and Sailing Doodles and have different thoughts on each.  I'll spare you from the "analysis" for now.  ha ha   My wife joined me while watching LaVag and Delos followed.  

I'll leave my intro with this.  Watching these videos has definitely increased my interest in sailing and in visiting places I never thought about.   It's also broadened my view of countries and people I had never thought much about.  Watching the videos reminds one of vacations past and potential future vacations.  At 51, I don't see turning sailing into a lifestyle as many have tried and a few have done quite successfully.  But it's fun to think about it.  As people who prefer warm weather and sand,  these videos feed right into that.  

My name is Chris or Jenx (like jinx).  But I answer to lots of names including dickhead from time to time.  I don't offend easily.  Looking forward to continuing to read this thread, offering my $.02 on things from time to time and learning from the perspective of true sailors.

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1 hour ago, Jenx34 said:

Hello everyone, first time poster.....   I found this thread a few months ago and decided to read the whole thread before even registering or posting.  So after a page here, two pages there, stopping to watch many of the posted videos and life interrupting, I finally caught up.  I'm here to offer zero insight into sailing itself as the only sailboard I've ever stepped on was a sunset booze cruise in 2015 when I got married in Jamaica.  Paying attention to the boat and what was happening wasn't my priority so I'd call my sailing experience nada.  I am originally from the US Midwest and have lived in Alabama the past 20 years, still 4 hours from the Gulf Coast.  

That said, this thread has kept me interested (less a few of the drifts along the way) and I have watched many of the current crop of sailing videos, many with my wife.  We watch on our 65" 4k TV and typically have watched 3-6 videos at a time, depending on length.  Hopefully, if I am able to bring anything to this thread is the perspective of (as has been described here) a couch potato that just sits on the sidelines and will likely never spend significant time on a sailboat.  

I've now watched all videos from LaVagabonde, Delos, MJ Sailing and Sailing Doodles and have different thoughts on each.  I'll spare you from the "analysis" for now.  ha ha   My wife joined me while watching LaVag and Delos followed.  

I'll leave my intro with this.  Watching these videos has definitely increased my interest in sailing and in visiting places I never thought about.   It's also broadened my view of countries and people I had never thought much about.  Watching the videos reminds one of vacations past and potential future vacations.  At 51, I don't see turning sailing into a lifestyle as many have tried and a few have done quite successfully.  But it's fun to think about it.  As people who prefer warm weather and sand,  these videos feed right into that.  

My name is Chris or Jenx (like jinx).  But I answer to lots of names including dickhead from time to time.  I don't offend easily.  Looking forward to continuing to read this thread, offering my $.02 on things from time to time and learning from the perspective of true sailors.

True sailors is two doors down on the right. This is Cursing Anarchy, dickhead.

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1 hour ago, Jenx34 said:

Hello everyone, first time poster.....   I found this thread a few months ago and decided to read the whole thread before even registering or posting.  So after a page here, two pages there, stopping to watch many of the posted videos and life interrupting, I finally caught up.  I'm here to offer zero insight into sailing itself as the only sailboard I've ever stepped on was a sunset booze cruise in 2015 when I got married in Jamaica.  Paying attention to the boat and what was happening wasn't my priority so I'd call my sailing experience nada.  I am originally from the US Midwest and have lived in Alabama the past 20 years, still 4 hours from the Gulf Coast.  

That said, this thread has kept me interested (less a few of the drifts along the way) and I have watched many of the current crop of sailing videos, many with my wife.  We watch on our 65" 4k TV and typically have watched 3-6 videos at a time, depending on length.  Hopefully, if I am able to bring anything to this thread is the perspective of (as has been described here) a couch potato that just sits on the sidelines and will likely never spend significant time on a sailboat.  

I've now watched all videos from LaVagabonde, Delos, MJ Sailing and Sailing Doodles and have different thoughts on each.  I'll spare you from the "analysis" for now.  ha ha   My wife joined me while watching LaVag and Delos followed.  

I'll leave my intro with this.  Watching these videos has definitely increased my interest in sailing and in visiting places I never thought about.   It's also broadened my view of countries and people I had never thought much about.  Watching the videos reminds one of vacations past and potential future vacations.  At 51, I don't see turning sailing into a lifestyle as many have tried and a few have done quite successfully.  But it's fun to think about it.  As people who prefer warm weather and sand,  these videos feed right into that.  

My name is Chris or Jenx (like jinx).  But I answer to lots of names including dickhead from time to time.  I don't offend easily.  Looking forward to continuing to read this thread, offering my $.02 on things from time to time and learning from the perspective of true sailors.

As the 'non-sailing target audience' for these things, what are the things you liked more about one series over another?

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3 minutes ago, alctel said:

As the 'non-sailing target audience' for these things, what are the things you liked more about one series over another?

Don't say hot girls in bikini's, don't say hot girls in bikini's, don't say hot girls in bikini's, don't say hot girls in bikini's, don't say hot girls in bikini's, don't say hot girls in bikini's, don't say hot girls in bikini's, don't say hot girls in bikini's, don't say hot girls in bikini's, don't say hot girls in bikini's, don't say hot girls in bikini's, don't say hot girls in bikini's, don't say hot girls in bikini's, don't say hot girls in bikini's, don't say hot girls in bikini's, don't say hot girls in bikini's, don't say hot girls in bikini's, don't say hot girls in bikini's, don't say hot girls in bikini's, don't say hot girls in bikini's.

Definitely the warm weather, beach laden destinations and the attractive younger female hosts narrating themselves going about their days in appropriate clothing. Fuck.

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6 hours ago, Jenx34 said:

Hello everyone, first time poster.....   I found this thread a few months ago and decided to read the whole thread before even registering or posting.  So after a page here, two pages there, stopping to watch many of the posted videos and life interrupting, I finally caught up.  I'm here to offer zero insight into sailing itself as the only sailboard I've ever stepped on was a sunset booze cruise in 2015 when I got married in Jamaica.  Paying attention to the boat and what was happening wasn't my priority so I'd call my sailing experience nada.  I am originally from the US Midwest and have lived in Alabama the past 20 years, still 4 hours from the Gulf Coast.  

That said, this thread has kept me interested (less a few of the drifts along the way) and I have watched many of the current crop of sailing videos, many with my wife.  We watch on our 65" 4k TV and typically have watched 3-6 videos at a time, depending on length.  Hopefully, if I am able to bring anything to this thread is the perspective of (as has been described here) a couch potato that just sits on the sidelines and will likely never spend significant time on a sailboat.  

I've now watched all videos from LaVagabonde, Delos, MJ Sailing and Sailing Doodles and have different thoughts on each.  I'll spare you from the "analysis" for now.  ha ha   My wife joined me while watching LaVag and Delos followed.  

I'll leave my intro with this.  Watching these videos has definitely increased my interest in sailing and in visiting places I never thought about.   It's also broadened my view of countries and people I had never thought much about.  Watching the videos reminds one of vacations past and potential future vacations.  At 51, I don't see turning sailing into a lifestyle as many have tried and a few have done quite successfully.  But it's fun to think about it.  As people who prefer warm weather and sand,  these videos feed right into that.  

My name is Chris or Jenx (like jinx).  But I answer to lots of names including dickhead from time to time.  I don't offend easily.  Looking forward to continuing to read this thread, offering my $.02 on things from time to time and learning from the perspective of true sailors.

well done to find sailing through fils. All I can say is... buy a boat, buy a boat, buy a boat

 

buy any boat with a sail and slap a reliable engine on the stern and off you go. Buy one small enough to bounce off stuff, but big enought to experience waking up in the morning, standing up in the companionway while sipping coffee as the world wakes up around you, small enough to tow, cheap to put in a dock.

 

One question, you have watched lots of sailing videos with a mind unsullied by reality.  What sailing video producers do you identify with.

Delos, La  Vag, the mad viking, even back to monkey business, the retired playboy bunny, or one the best series made by the couple who went to alaska - with guns.

Dylan

 

 

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6 hours ago, Jenx34 said:

Hello everyone, first time poster.....   I found this thread a few months ago and decided to read the whole thread before even registering or posting.  So after a page here, two pages there, stopping to watch many of the posted videos and life interrupting, I finally caught up.  I'm here to offer zero insight into sailing itself as the only sailboard I've ever stepped on was a sunset booze cruise in 2015 when I got married in Jamaica.  Paying attention to the boat and what was happening wasn't my priority so I'd call my sailing experience nada.  I am originally from the US Midwest and have lived in Alabama the past 20 years, still 4 hours from the Gulf Coast.  

 

Welcome Jenx!

I am extremely impressed by your diligence (reading this whole thread and watching all the videos). My one question is: how did you find the thread in the first place?

I would also encourage you to get out and actually give sailing a go in earnest, it will either really increase your enjoyment of the videos, or really decrease it (because you now have something better to do with your spare time). Avoid buying your own boat for as long as possible, but I must warn you, once bitten by the bug this will be impossible. Sailing has ruined my life (in the best possible way).

Kass

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there you go

two old blokes give you completely contradictory advice

one says sail on some-one elses boat

the otheer says buy a cheap boat and get your feet wet as soon as possible

sailing is easy, sailing is safe, sailing is cheap (if you want it to be)

Dylan

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31 minutes ago, kass said:

Welcome Jenx!

Ah, for the old days when standard greeting was "Fuck off and show us some tits"...this place has changed (mostly for the better). I think this thread may have surpassed the Origami Boat Thread...

Edit: Nope, just checked - not even 1/2 as many replies.

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Thanks for the greetings gentlemen.  I started watching a few videos from MJ Sailing and Sailing Doodles (more on them later).  They somehow landed in my You Tube Recommendations.  Strangely enough, before then, I had rarely looked at videos on You Tube unless I was looking for something specific.  I probably looked up some place for a possible vacation and that's how the sailing videos made it there?  I have no idea.   I think at some point, I did a Google search for one of those two and found this thread.  Didn't find a lot of info on either here but it was enough to get me interested in reading more.  As for the beginnings, I watched a couple of MJ Sailing videos and, while not terribly exciting, I identified with Matt and Jessica.  I feel like they are people I'd enjoy sitting down and having a beer with.  The idea that they gave it all up, bought a boat and started sailing the world was very intriguing.  Sailing Doodles on the other hand, got me with a bikini thumbnail.  With both of those, after just a video or three, I decided to go back to the beginning and watch their vids in order.  It helped me to better understand their story.  

Darth, hot girls in bikinis will always grab my attention.  But that's not what holds my attention.  If there is not something else (personality, style, they way they go about things, where they go, how they interact with others, etc.) I'm gone.  An example is once I started watching Delos, there have been many girls in bikinis.  But to me, none of them have been overly attractive to me.  They aren't ugly, they just are far from my type and by themselves would not have kept me around for more than a video or two.  Case in point, I randomly watched on Delos video at some point and didn't care for it.  It wasn't until later, after my wife and I had watched most of LaVagabonde's offerings, did I go back to the beginning and watch.

Dylan, I appreciate your thoughts on buying a boat.  But I live 4 hours from the Gulf Coast of Florida and Alabama and that's not really a prime sailing area.  So unless I hit the lottery and move to somewhere more exotic and sail friendly, I don't see that developing.  I am DEFINITELY interested in dipping my feet in the water so to speak.  My wife and I are vacationing in Maui in late October.  I'd love to find an opportunity to get out on a boat while there, more than just a snorkel excursion on a charter catamaran.  Not sure how to go about that, however.  We are staying right by the harbor in Ma'alaea so maybe we'll likely spend some time in the harbor area and talk to some people, but I'm not sure just walking up to strangers and asking if we can go out on their boat with them is quite realistic.  ha ha

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A few general thoughts on where I think some of you guys have gotten things wrong. (in no particular order)....

Dylan, while your films generally don't fit my interests, I have watched a view and certainly can appreciate the quality and the effort you put into them.  When looking at others such as LaVag, Delos, etc., where I think you are off a bit is thinking of their works as films and the idea that is how people that pay for them see them.  I don't think people think of supporting them on a per film/video basis.  While Patreon is set up as a per each donation, they have a monthly cap so I think people think more along the lines of is how much a month am I going to give them.  Does it make a difference if someone offers $5 per video and they put out one per week or $20 per video with a max of $20/month?  People have become so used to monthly subscriptions automatically withdrawn that it's nothing to them to put a dollar amount.  It's why my guess is the per video Patreon earnings are overblown.  It's likely why you see it on very few providers account pages anymore.  It's only a slight difference in thinking, but the reason the top providers are successful is putting out consistent content.

There are lots of reasons someone may become a Patron of a provider.  But ultimately, I believe, they stick around because they like the story or the personalities.  They find something to identify with them.  It's why the "talking to the camera" style works.  If you just randomly look at one video, providers may or may not capture one's attention enough to come back for more.  It's why the thumbnail is important.  It gets people to the party, so to speak.  Whether it can keep them there is another story.  The reason bikinis work, is because of again, the thumbnail draws them in but also because it buys them a little more time to keep you.  Men are pretty simple.  They don't need a ton of redeeming value at first stay interested for a few vids.  But I still submit that the reason LaVag and Delos are at the top is not because of bikinis.  They may have helped get them there but that's not what has made their following grow and sustained it.  It's because they have provided great quality videos, in a style the masses are drawn to, and they have a story people can identify with in one way or another.
 

I'll add that as I was reading this thread, it was humorous in that I was reading what was said in the past with future knowledge.  In April, I started jotting down the Parteon #'s of Vagabonde and Delos every other week or so.  As people on here were generally criticizing LaVag, thinking their days were numbered, discussing whether Elayna had gotten a boob job (who the hell cares, btw - that's her business), then whether the baby would be the end of them, etc....   Since April 17 LaVagabonde has had a 25% increase in Patrons.  12% of that has been just in the past six weeks, so the baby  has far from had a negative effect on their following.   They put out a lot of videos, some pretty much filler, but going back to the monthly thinking, that doesn't really matter and it is certainly not "taking advantage" of their patrons.   On the flip side, in that same time frame, Delos has lost 3% of Patrons, which is akin to staying even in my mind.  I think Bryan and Karen having a baby will likely hurt their following, but the jury is still out on that.

I believe the bigger story with each is the most important part of why some succeed and others don't.  Again, is it their personalities, where they came from, where they go, how they keep from becoming stagnant (bringing on new crew or patrons), etc.  The production quality is important as well.  LaVag is big on free diving and spear fishing.  Delos on scuba diving.  Both provide awesome underwater footage.  Delos goes to more exotic places.   IMO, Elayna is hotter than ever but doesn't try to flaunt it in a sexual way.  But she/they understand that being shy won't help them.  So shots of her in her underwear or in a bikini while holding or feeding the baby work.  But by themselves, it wouldn't be enough.  

I feel like I am rambling now.....

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Dylan and Alctel, you both asked about my thoughts on individual providers....   I'll try to stay brief, but you can probably already tell that's not my strong suit.  :)

Let me start with MJ Sailing...  they are small with in the neighborhood of only 200 patrons.  Videos 3 months old or newer tend to get 25k - 50k views on YouTube.  
- I said it before.  Matt and Jessica aren't the most exciting pair.  But I see them as real and someone I'd hang out with.  (maybe I'm boring)  A lot of their early videos were them buying and fixing up their current aluminum boat.  I skimmed through a lot of that but think some of you here would find those videos interesting.  Matt is the first to admit they screw up sometimes, do things twice and learn from their mistakes, so there may be a lot of criticism from this crowd.  But looking back, the fact they took a boat that had been sitting on land rotting for many years and fixed it up into a nice seaworthy vessel is impressive.  Their style is more about them, sailing and where they do and less about gorgeous cinematography, underwater or otherwise.  But aside from an occasional hiccup with sound in a windy place, they do a solid job.  Like others, I think they started doing what they wanted to do, provided videos to family and it grew from there.  So theirs is a bit more of a personal rather than professional style.

For you cold weather sailors, their current adventures may interest you.  They just landed in Norway via Ireland and Scotland.  They spent the better part of the past 9 months in the Azores before heading north.  Their most recent release on You Tube is showing them in Ireland so they are at least a month or so behind.  They didn't spend a lot of time in Ireland and Scotland, but plan to go back to it once they leave Norway.  

Sailing Doodles... Again, caught a few vids (bikinis) then went back to the beginning.  Bobby comes off initially as pretty douchy.  The early videos with Megan were a little awkward as they were trying to figure everything out, including how they would interact .  This is one where warm weather, beautiful beaches and a bikini or two held my interest.  And Bobby grew on me a bit.  His 2nd season held my interest because they did a Pacific crossing on their way to Thailand, stopping throughout the South Pacific along the way.  Those places interest me greatly.  I think his style has improved.  He doesn't hide that he's providing content and while he can sail, he is making his way through contacts, selling his brand, sponsorships, etc.  He's an marketing opportunist and that will turn some people off.  He did have his own boat, but lost it in one of the hurricanes while docked (can't remember where).  Currently, he's in the Mediterranean sailing with a guy he met a few years ago in Key West.  Replacing Megan with his now girlfriend Laura has provided more bikini fodder.  There is no doubt Laura looks good.  She's not afraid to flaunt it and shake the ass.  She's a nurse by trade and isn't stupid, but she's definitely flighty and could grate one's nerves.  The fact their videos stay under 20 minutes, they visit places I'm less familiar with but are interesting, and film adventures on land as well keep me watching.  But of the providers I follow, this is the one my wife likes the least and the one I typically watch last when new vids come out weekly.   I guess they are more of an acquired taste....

Expedition Drenched...  I just started watching them recently after their time on Delos.  I am not current with them yet, so I don't know what's going on with their new boat/experiment.  They are Divers first and started with diving videos.  They made money producing videos/ads/commercials for Dive Shops, Schools, etc.  Started watching their diving videos in Hawaii.  They have spent time with Rick of SSL, LaVagabonde and Delos before embarking on their new adventure and boat.  The two of them don't really keep me coming back.  Her personality is bubbly and okay, but not great.  He is kind of dry but them seem to get along well together.  If you like Underwater Cinematography, watch their videos.  Most of them include diving scenes and they are accomplished and have a ton of high end video equipment.  If you like engaging personalities, they may not be for you.

I'll follow up with thoughts on LaVagabonde and SV Delos later.  Sorry for the length!

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3 hours ago, Jenx34 said:

Dylan and Alctel, you both asked about my thoughts on individual providers....   I'll try to stay brief, but you can probably already tell that's not my strong suit.  :)

Let me start with MJ Sailing...  they are small with in the neighborhood of only 200 patrons.  Videos 3 months old or newer tend to get 25k - 50k views on YouTube.  
- I said it before.  Matt and Jessica aren't the most exciting pair.  But I see them as real and someone I'd hang out with.  (maybe I'm boring)  A lot of their early videos were them buying and fixing up their current aluminum boat.  I skimmed through a lot of that but think some of you here would find those videos interesting.  Matt is the first to admit they screw up sometimes, do things twice and learn from their mistakes, so there may be a lot of criticism from this crowd.  But looking back, the fact they took a boat that had been sitting on land rotting for many years and fixed it up into a nice seaworthy vessel is impressive.  Their style is more about them, sailing and where they do and less about gorgeous cinematography, underwater or otherwise.  But aside from an occasional hiccup with sound in a windy place, they do a solid job.  Like others, I think they started doing what they wanted to do, provided videos to family and it grew from there.  So theirs is a bit more of a personal rather than professional style.

For you cold weather sailors, their current adventures may interest you.  They just landed in Norway via Ireland and Scotland.  They spent the better part of the past 9 months in the Azores before heading north.  Their most recent release on You Tube is showing them in Ireland so they are at least a month or so behind.  They didn't spend a lot of time in Ireland and Scotland, but plan to go back to it once they leave Norway.  

 

I like those guys, they bought a boat in a similar state to mine and I enjoyed their refit. It gives one with sometimes failing hope something to aim for. 

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59 minutes ago, Zora said:

I like those guys, they bought a boat in a similar state to mine and I enjoyed their refit. It gives one with sometimes failing hope something to aim for. 

I've finally started watching your videos.  Better put your fire proof suit on...  ;)

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It is time to start planking Arabella! This moment has been a long time coming and we are thrilled to be able to finally start this process. It does mean a bit of a learning curve though, so we had our friend Thad Danielson come back to the boat yard and help us through the process of marking out the starboard side garboard plank. The garboard plank is maybe the most important plank on the boat as it ties the frames down to the centerline. This is the place in the boat that is under some of the most strain. As the hull is buoyed up, the ballast and center line are trying to sink to the bottom of the ocean. Due to these two strains working against each other, many boats start to split right in this area and spring leaks. Therefore it is best to try to fit the largest and strongest garboard plank possible. We work with Thad to get this plank marked out by using a spiling batten and learn a new skill that we will be able to put to good use throughout the rest of the planking process.

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5 hours ago, t.rex said:

 

It is time to start planking Arabella! This moment has been a long time coming and we are thrilled to be able to finally start this process. It does mean a bit of a learning curve though, so we had our friend Thad Danielson come back to the boat yard and help us through the process of marking out the starboard side garboard plank. The garboard plank is maybe the most important plank on the boat as it ties the frames down to the centerline. This is the place in the boat that is under some of the most strain. As the hull is buoyed up, the ballast and center line are trying to sink to the bottom of the ocean. Due to these two strains working against each other, many boats start to split right in this area and spring leaks. Therefore it is best to try to fit the largest and strongest garboard plank possible. We work with Thad to get this plank marked out by using a spiling batten and learn a new skill that we will be able to put to good use throughout the rest of the planking process.

excellent voice-over man on these films

https://www.patreon.com/acorntoarabella

 

meanwhile... Mads is fixing a sofa that does not really need fixing

 

https://www.patreon.com/saillife

we are indeed blessed with videos...

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2 hours ago, Troglodytarum said:

he sounds like Kermit the frog when he talks.

sorry

 

my fault

 

I was referring to the arabella man

 

Mads has a great on-screen persona and his accent is wonderful

 

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19 minutes ago, Troglodytarum said:

all he wanted was a fucking pizza, man!

He pretends to try to go upwind whereas his sails aren't even trimmed to go upwind!

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More from a non-sailor's point of view on Sailing YouTube Videos....

SV Delos - As I said before, I watched a random video awhile ago and didn't care for it.  Then later, went back to the beginning.  Their very early videos on YouTube are not good.  Not well done, so we skipped ahead a bit.  Their production got a lot better quickly.  Bryan is relatable and seems like a pretty cool guy.  Brady brings fun to the party.  Karen/Kazzah is just okay from an interest standpoint.  She seems nice and isn't annoying, but there isn't much to make me want to watch a video with her in it.  I know they probably aren't any worse than others sailing so much, but they come off as a little dirty/grungy.  Maybe it's more of a modern day hippie type thing.  They've rotated crew and Brady girlfriends but no one has really stood out to me as making me want to watch.  Well maybe Lizbef, who has been chronicled here, but only because he is a train wreck.  She was annoying as hell while on the boat then got worse when she went out on her own.   I thought the pair from Expedition Drenched were okay and the dive footage they provided was great.  Brady's new girlfriend Blue is just meh for me. I could have done without their 2nd trip to Madagascar, but they didn't ask me.  

So why did I watch?  None of them, Bryan and Brady included, make me want to watch.  But overall, their story is intriguing.  The places they sail, the fact that they get out and mix with the locals more than anyone I've seen so far, the diving and underwater shots and then hiking and chasing waterfalls the next day...  Their videos are longer which would typically be a negative for me, but for some reason it doesn't bother me.  Maybe it is because they cram enough stuff into an episode and there is less fluff (sometimes)?   Maybe it is because of how it all started and that early on, they had to do side jobs to make things work, including Brady leaving the boat for about 6 months to take a job to afford to keep going.  Likely it is just a combination of those things.  

Ultimately, they aren't my favorite but I still watch.  The lag between videos and reality has been brought up here.  It has never bothered me until recently.  Knowing that Karen was pregnant, that her and Bryan were getting married a month or two ago and their current videos are still islands behind slightly bugs me.  Knowing (from their FB page) that Bryan and Karen have already left the boat and Brady, Blue and whoever have already sailed across the Atlantic and are now in the Azores, again is slightly irritating.  (Sorry if I just gave spoilers!) It had less of an effect when we were binge watching past videos, but not that we're caught up, the gap just seems so much wider.  It's perception, I get it.  Maybe I should Unlike their FB page so I don't randomly see an update and go back to where ignorance is bliss?   

Overall, I get why they have a following.  They are less commercial (in a broad appeal sense) than LaVagabonde, but perhaps have a more loyal following?   Compared to LaVag they are definitely more niche.  The current #'s:
Provider           YouTube Followers    Patrons     %%
Delos                        340,832                 1962       .57%
LaVagabonde      1,032,112                  3334       .32%

These #'s show Delos viewers are more likely to become Patrons.  But LaVagabonde's appeal is so much larger at this point, they have a huge lead in terms of Patrons, which was closer to even in the early days of this thread.  In terms of money earned, there is no real way to know.  Delos's support level starts at $5 per and LaVag begins at $3, but typically puts out 2 or 3 vids per week.  Aagain, remember there are monthly limits. There is also no way to know how many Patrons they have supporting them at a higher level.  Strangely enough, SV Delos is a Patron of LaVagabonde.  I can't find the same list of who LaVag supports, but my guess is it is reciprocated.  

The question is, how will Delos do from here.  LaVagabonde has shown they aren't going anywhere.  Will Bryan and Karen be as committed to sailing when the baby comes?  Will Brady take over and be able to add crew members that will keep things interesting?  Time will tell.  Delos has had a great run.  Can they adapt and keep going?
 

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I wish I could care, but I don't. 

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I think it is interesting that the soap opera aspect of the films is as/more important than the sailing or the locations/

fascinating I think

the desire for the films to be up to date is also important.

thanks for your thoughts

 

so Jenx - what is to be - cat as big as a badminton court

or an elegant  ocean crossing monohull with a 5 foot draft and teak decks that stretch to the sunset

a fixer upper or a keyturn ready bavmobile

 

D

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3 minutes ago, dylan winter said:

I think it is interesting that the soap opera aspect of the films is as/more important than the sailing or the locations/

fascinating I think

the desire for the films to be up to date is also important.

thanks for your thoughts

 

so Jenx - what is to be - cat as big as a badminton court

or an elegant  ocean crossing monohull with a 5 foot draft and teak decks that stretch to the sunset

 

D

Dylan, I can't say I am qualified to answer that question, never having been on a monohull and only once on a cat where drinking was the biggest priority.  I can say that from the videos we've watched my wife has made the comment that if we ever bought a boat she would want a catamaran because of the perceived smoother ride.  Not sure it would have to be as big as a badminton court, but again, we are far from knowledgeable on different sizes and available boats.  

As to your first point, I do think locations are important, at least in the beginning when watching these.  The actual sailing and the technical aspect of it at least to me, the non-sailor, is the least important part.  Don't get me wrong, I've learned a lot about sailing from watching, but my "a lot" doesn't hold a candle to what you guys here know.  It's comparative.  I think I know enough that if I were on a boat and someone started teaching me, I'd start to remember what I have seen/heard and start to pick it up a little more quickly than if I went in cold.  But until that happens, I'll never know.  But the idea of sailing and exploring does intrigue me.  As does scuba diving.  There is a blue water quarry less than 5 miles from my house and I am seriously considering taking the class and getting my certification before going to Hawaii.  It will boil down in the next few weeks, whether I can justify the extra expense on top of everything else Maui related.  But I would definitely like to become PADI certified at some point.

I've even looked into sailing vacations briefly.  There are companies available that sail out of the US and British Virgin Isles, St. Martin, etc. where you can  book one of the cabins for a full week for $3-$4k that includes food, drink, snorkeling, diving, etc.  That may seem expensive, but it's no worse than going to an All-Inclusive place such as Sandals in the Caribbean for a week.  It's a thought and perhaps a way to get a taste of a week on a boat with sails between islands.  But Hawaii is next, so that would be at least a year away if we choose to pursue that option. Maybe there is something better...  

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LaVagabonde - Dylan, this one in my mind is more about the story/lifestyle than anything else.  For us, watching from the beginning was the key.  Seeing how their story has developed over time keeps us interested even though now, with a baby they are basically hanging out in the Bahamas.  Granted, I'd love to be able to do that myself.  I've been to Nassau and Atlantis, but those were Cruise Ship excursions so it wasn't really experiencing The Bahamas.   I know that's not your cup of tea, but if it makes you feel any better, I have ZERO interest in hanging out with pigs at beaches there.  :)

Having watched LaVagabonde from the beginning, I believe in the authenticity of their story.  The quick rundown for those that may not know....   He saved up and bought a boat (Italy, I think).  Learned to sail it around the Mediterranean and met Elayna.  Invited her along and they've been sailing since.  At first he had no interest in videos and she had to convince him to make some for family.  Exactly how they built such a following early on, I'm not sure.  It is obvious that they have learned the skills to make great videos and how to gain viewers from thumbnails to footage.  They got some fairly early publicity in Australia and I am sure that helped.  Elayna being attractive certainly made a difference.  It's obvious that it has turned into a production and they feed that.  But their success is about their story and lifestyle.  It's why they can get away with sharing recipe ideas, what it's like to fix and eat a meal on a boat, etc.  Their Boat Life series is definitely geared toward non-sailing types, yet they are gaining viewers and Patrons.  Their Sailing Guide which was widely made fun of here, is named A Sailing Guide for Beginners and is certainly not designed to be a comprehensive book on sailing.  I haven't read it, but I get its purpose and I also get why people with the experience of everyone here would scoff at it.  

Maybe it is just me, but I think what they provide is excellent and I see them as good people.  I have no issue with the fact they are no a "product" as much as two people on a boat.  I'm not sure if I would watch if I was just starting and picking up current videos.  To me, it's about do I like the people and want to know what their doing.... or as mentioned with Delos, is there something else that holds my attention.  LaVag couldn't start where they are today and build the following they have.  They could gain viewership but starting from their beginnings just makes sense.  Another thing that has helped them (in a big way, IMO) is inviting patrons to join them on the boat.  It gives Patrons reason to stick around and engages them with their Patrons.  I think it's ingenious.  If they aren't charging the Patrons and just inviting select ones aboard is that really any difference than just inviting friends to join them for a few days?  I see it as a way to expand and grow and it seems to have worked.  

I get why some may not like them or not be appreciative of their success.  But I don't see them as fake as some people may.  But to borrow a phrase from Dylan, I say Goodonem! (did I get that right?)

 

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Ultimately, of all the videos I have seen, including the ones I have not followed (yet), I believe the people in them genuinely care about the ocean and its life within, care about the planet in general and I have learned to appreciate that.  Being from the Midwest (10+ hours from the closest coast), none of that crossed my mind much growing up.  I never gave a second thought about straws, plastic bags, etc.  Or even cared whether a specific fish was endangered and survived.  The consciousness of how the earth and life on it is intertwined never really was a concern.  We ate meat, drank beer, mixed in a vegetable or two and lived in the "world" around us.  

Along with getting older in general, my view of the world has certainly expanded.  Watching and following these folks on YouTube has blown that up even more.  My awareness and desire to visit new places is greater than ever.  Again some of that comes with age too.  But I am different than many people, though I think there are a lot of people in this world similar.  Until about 6-7 years ago, I had never taken a full week vacation in my adult life (I'm 51).  Most of my "vacations" were 3-4 day weekends, going to the beach, flying to Chicago or New Orleans or something like that.  My parents took the whole family on a cruise to Key West and The Bahamas.  We enjoyed it and thought we would do more cruises.  Then we got married in Jamaica and did the All-Inclusive Sandals thing.  Followed that with an all-inclusive trip to Cancun.  Figured all-inclusives in the Caribbean would be our go-to from there.  Now we have the opportunity to go to Maui and chose to rent a condo rather than pay for a hotel.  Really looking forward to that and to exploring much of the Island.  Now we could see ourselves on a sailboat exploring.  Will that ever happen I don't know.  But it's interesting to me that our interests have changed very quickly.  We are still warm weather, blue water types.  But places like Corsica and areas in the Mediterranean at least have me thinking about new places.  My parents are going to Alaska next week.  I have zero interest in cold weather, but can appreciate the beauty places farther north provide.  Who knows where we will go 5 or 10 years from now?

But I can safely say that while I am far different than any of you that have spent significant time in coastal areas or on a sailboat, watching these videos has certainly opened my eyes to something different and I'm intrigued.  I'm more aware of the environment, think of recycling and use of plastics actively now, am really interested in learning to scuba and seeing what is under the surface and at least in a way would like to be more like you guys and experience similar things.  

But I do think there are a ton of people out there similar to me in many ways that may never get to that point, but can appreciate a good story and the allure of the water, beaches and nature's beauty.

 

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6 hours ago, Panoramix said:

He pretends to try to go upwind whereas his sails aren't even trimmed to go upwind!

I wasn't there so it's easy to judge but I couldn't really tell what the problem was? Seas were pretty sloppy but he seemed to have a good 10 knots or so of wind

Was he just worried about entering the anchorage under sail?

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4 hours ago, Jenx34 said:

  Exactly how they built such a following early on, I'm not sure.  It is obvious that they have learned the skills to make great videos and how to gain viewers from thumbnails to footage.  They got some fairly early publicity in Australia and I am sure that helped. 
 

 

I think they were one of the first, if not THE first to have a sailing vlog that including two young attractive people in it

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But I can safely say that while I am far different than any of you that have spent significant time in coastal areas or on a sailboat, watching these videos has certainly opened my eyes to something different and I'm intrigued.  I'm more aware of the environment, think of recycling and use of plastics actively now, am really interested in learning to scuba and seeing what is under the surface and at least in a way would like to be more like you guys and experience similar things.  

That's great! I think we don't give enough credit to some of these vloggers for raising awareness about the problems the ocean is facing.

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On 7/26/2019 at 11:52 PM, Ajax said:

I've finally started watching your videos.  Better put your fire proof suit on...  ;)

Am I going to get flamed? :D

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19 hours ago, dylan winter said:

and old seadog is not happy

 

 

https://www.patreon.com/Adventuresofanoldseadog

 

To be honest I feel like Barry displays a shocking lack of seamanship in every video as of late. Half his instruments seem broken, his boat has not far short of a coral reef growing on her bottom, practically every sheet and halyard on the boat is frayed to shit, there's so much junk on deck you could fill a shipping container with it and his foresail seems to have been hanging by a thread since at least the Galapagos. I watched the episode above with some trepidation, having followed his pacific crossing.

What bothered me the most was that he has all these things that need doing on board, yet he claims he's moving islands because "he's bored" and "there's nothing to do". I know he said he needs to go to some bigger settlement to "do work" on his boat but scraping the bottom can be done anywhere, tidying up the deck can be done anywhere. Then he loses his engine saying he "knew it would happen eventually" (?????). He claims the gods shit up all his birthdays but I'd say he's blessed, not being upwind of that island when it happened since he seems unable to go to windward. He would have lost the boat for sure, especially since it took him three days to essentially cut a fuel line...

The nail in the coffin for me was when he said he'd radioed a local fishing vessel telling them his engine had cut out. From looking at the video the fishing vessel is clearly following him and keeping an eye on him (all their lights are pointed towards Barry for example) to make sure he's safe, whereupon he goes on a rant calling them "fishing a-holes" for essentially making sure he survives.

Sorry, rant over.

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6 minutes ago, Tylo said:

To be honest I feel like Barry displays a shocking lack of seamanship in every video as of late. Half his instruments seem broken, his boat has not far short of a coral reef growing on her bottom, practically every sheet and halyard on the boat is frayed to shit, there's so much junk on deck you could fill a shipping container with it and his foresail seems to have been hanging by a thread since at least the Galapagos. I watched the episode above with some trepidation, having followed his pacific crossing.

What bothered me the most was that he has all these things that need doing on board, yet he claims he's moving islands because "he's bored" and "there's nothing to do". I know he said he needs to go to some bigger settlement to "do work" on his boat but scraping the bottom can be done anywhere, tidying up the deck can be done anywhere. Then he loses his engine saying he "knew it would happen eventually" (?????). He claims the gods shit up all his birthdays but I'd say he's blessed, not being upwind of that island when it happened since he seems unable to go to windward. He would have lost the boat for sure, especially since it took him three days to essentially cut a fuel line...

The nail in the coffin for me was when he said he'd radioed a local fishing vessel telling them his engine had cut out. From looking at the video the fishing vessel is clearly following him and keeping an eye on him (all their lights are pointed towards Barry for example) to make sure he's safe, whereupon he goes on a rant calling them "fishing a-holes" for essentially making sure he survives.

Sorry, rant over.

my gues is that he is short of cash

he only has 217 patrons - starting at $3 per film

I found sailing a 26 footer  in scotland too expensive to sustain - I assume sailing an elderly  40 footer across the planet is even more expensive

Dylan

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2 minutes ago, dylan winter said:

my gues is that he is short of cash

he only has 217 patrons - starting at $3 per film

I found sailing a 26 footer  in scotland too expensive to sustain - I assume sailing an elderly  40 footer across the planet is even more expensive

Dylan

Yes, that's entirely possible. He must get some kind of retirement money from the British government too, and have some savings. I really hope he didn't embark on this journey expecting youtube/patreon to pay for his adventure.

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Jenx,

if you want a fun sailing experience on Maui I'd recommend Paragon.  A relatively small boat, 47', around 20 passengers, and you always get some fun fast sailing on a performance catamaran.  It is not the typical fancy large catamaran booze cruise though they have booze and a nice spread of food.  The bigger snorkel/dive catamaran operations don't sail much, if at all.  Paragon might be a little more sporty or basic if you are used to fancy cruise ships or than you want for a first time on the ocean, ie its easier to get sea sick on a smaller boat but you can easily get sick on the bigger, ~70+' booze/snorkel cats too.  Like altitude sickness its hard to know if you will be affected.  There are preventative meds if you read up on it.   I don't recall any particular problems with other passengers the 4 or 5 times I've been out with Paragon but I'm sure a few folks might have been a little queazy.  On the definite plus, Paragon's all day cruise has a wonderful exclusive stop on Lanai where you can snorkel or scuba plus have a couple hours to walk 15 minutes across the isthmus to a wonderful bay for a swim, likely with the amazing spinner dolphins.  Take the provided swim fins and masks on that walk.  If the dolphins are in (~%50 of the time in my experience) it is a magical experience, even from the shore.  I have no connection with Paragon, I just love their fun fast boat and itinerary.  I'd recommend getting your open water dive at home so you can then enjoy the diving aspect of Maui.  Rent a car and drive to Hana or they have mini tours buses if you like that kind of thing.  Then you can drive up the volcano for a fantastic view and experience.  There are tours for all of this if you want, we just like to do our own thing with a car and the guide book from my fellow Husky, Rick Steves.  Have fun.

PS:  its interesting to read your impression of this thread's subject.  

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5 hours ago, dylan winter said:

my gues is that he is short of cash

he only has 217 patrons - starting at $3 per film

I found sailing a 26 footer  in scotland too expensive to sustain - I assume sailing an elderly  40 footer across the planet is even more expensive

Dylan

I fear that loneliness is having a toll on him and that his thinking is muddled. He has sailed half a circumnavigation, by now he should be able to trim a jib to go to windward.

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1 hour ago, Panoramix said:

I fear that loneliness is having a toll on him and that his thinking is muddled. He has sailed half a circumnavigation, by now he should be able to trim a jib to go to windward.

I was thinking along similar lines. 

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14 hours ago, Zora said:

Am I going to get flamed? :D

Nah, I'm just teasing. It's good so far.  The boat itself is interesting. I've only just dipped my toe in,  so I don't have a well formed opinion yet. 

Plus,  it's sailing season here so I am trying to sail instead of watching other people sail. 

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On 7/27/2019 at 7:33 AM, t.rex said:

 

It is time to start planking Arabella! This moment has been a long time coming and we are thrilled to be able to finally start this process. It does mean a bit of a learning curve though, so we had our friend Thad Danielson come back to the boat yard and help us through the process of marking out the starboard side garboard plank. The garboard plank is maybe the most important plank on the boat as it ties the frames down to the centerline. This is the place in the boat that is under some of the most strain. As the hull is buoyed up, the ballast and center line are trying to sink to the bottom of the ocean. Due to these two strains working against each other, many boats start to split right in this area and spring leaks. Therefore it is best to try to fit the largest and strongest garboard plank possible. We work with Thad to get this plank marked out by using a spiling batten and learn a new skill that we will be able to put to good use throughout the rest of the planking process.

Boat porn of the absolute highest order!

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13 hours ago, dylan winter said:

my gues is that he is short of cash

he only has 217 patrons - starting at $3 per film

I found sailing a 26 footer  in scotland too expensive to sustain - I assume sailing an elderly  40 footer across the planet is even more expensive

Dylan

To the extent that a shakeout may be happening with the various YouTube sailing channels, I'd guess that simply running out of money is a major part of it.  There can only be very few channels successful enough to sustain year round sailing ops and a comfortable subsistence off of Patreon like Delos and La Vagabonde, and even Delos, before they became big, started out with a schedule of stopping for periods to work and build the sailing kitty back up if I recall from their early videos.  I'm sure a lot of the channels with small viewership are making little if any money at all, and if they didn't have a plan to stop sailing and make money at certain intervals then I'm sure most are running up against cash flow issues.

How many of the sailing vloggers do in fact state a plan or schedule for making money outside of Patreon?  I know the Sailing Frenchman did, and Holly Martin did at least initially even though she's on Patreon now.

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I understand that some of the younger couples who throw themselves into it with little to no plan may run out of money but I struggle to see how a retired single guy from the UK could. Surely he would have savings to cover the cruise, surely he would have some kind of retiree income? Last but certainly not least, surely someone who has so many years of life experience would have made some kind of financial plan before setting off?

In any case the boat is in catastrophic shape and in my opinion he's putting himself at serious risk sailing it. Again, what if he had been upwind of that island when the engine had failed? I'm not even going to get into doing an ocean crossing, in 2019, single-handed without investing in some kind of sat-comms, even if he only pays subscriptions for his crossings.

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17 hours ago, Troglodytarum said:

 

 

 Poor Valentina.  She's so poor she can't even afford a bathing suit that fits.

Sad.

 

How on earth do all these singlehanded sailors, no matter how creepy, seem to find attractive ladies to come and sail with them? Where on earth are they meeting these people? I spent most of last year sailing up to alaska and down to Mexico singlehanded and I think the number of people I met anyone under 50 I could count on the fingers of both hands, let alone near my age and single

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28 minutes ago, alctel said:

How on earth do all these singlehanded sailors, no matter how creepy, seem to find attractive ladies to come and sail with them? Where on earth are they meeting these people? I spent most of last year sailing up to alaska and down to Mexico singlehanded and I think the number of people I met anyone under 50 I could count on the fingers of both hands, let alone near my age and single

I posted that info earlier.  They are using a crew finding website.  Seems to work.

https://www.crewbay.com/crew/recreational

Lots of options there.

 

 

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Here are some examples:

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Easy game....

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Ah, that explains it, thanks. 

Seems super dodgy though, having someone you never met fly over to sail with you for a while! I definitely wouldn't risk it.

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35 minutes ago, alctel said:

How on earth do all these singlehanded sailors, no matter how creepy, seem to find attractive ladies to come and sail with them? Where on earth are they meeting these people? I spent most of last year sailing up to alaska and down to Mexico singlehanded and I think the number of people I met anyone under 50 I could count on the fingers of both hands, let alone near my age and single

Or

https://www.findacrew.net/en/

Just screen the people who apply to sail on your boat for < 30 and are fit AF.

Apparently you'll just get tonnes of replies if you have an operation better than a tinny.

My best mate has joined a few people and told me about it, to which I just found the site pretty comical, most of the boats were single guys looking for women to join them. There was some hilariously seedy shit.

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Ah, that explains it.

Seems super dodgy though, having someone you never met fly over to sail with you for a while! I definitely wouldn't risk it.

The sites do some sort of screening, but it's pretty negligible, I mean is it much different to using the internet to get a stranger to give you a lift for pocket-change? Oh sorry I mean Uber.

But then again what are the risks?... Only about 3% of people have actual mental issues, so 97/100 times you invite a stranger to live on your boat with you, they won't murder you in your sleep and steal your most prize possession. I get that you wouldn't risk it... but how does that stack up when you are an older gentleman who hasn't slept with a hot woman in 30 years and has the chance to be forced to live with one in a shoe-box for 4 weeks?

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Single guys looking for women who want to sail doesnt seem seedy to me if they are upfront about it.   Sailors need love too.  :D

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7 hours ago, alctel said:

How on earth do all these singlehanded sailors, no matter how creepy, seem to find attractive ladies to come and sail with them? Where on earth are they meeting these people? I spent most of last year sailing up to alaska and down to Mexico singlehanded and I think the number of people I met anyone under 50 I could count on the fingers of both hands, let alone near my age and single

I wouldn't use the Youtube thumbnail in your post as a valid example of an attractive woman "having fun" with a skeevy geezer.  The woman in the thumbnail appears rigid and uncomfortable, like a hostage. "Blink twice if he's holding you against your will!"

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2 hours ago, Ajax said:

I wouldn't use the Youtube thumbnail in your post as a valid example of an attractive woman "having fun" with a skeevy geezer.  The woman in the thumbnail appears rigid and uncomfortable, like a hostage. "Blink twice if he's holding you against your will!"

You know, because of the implication.

 

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OMG, that's horrible.

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didn't watch it but given the source i'm sure it is indeed horrible.  i like the show generally but man-oh-man they can overdo the cringe factor.

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So if I name my next boat "IMPLICATION" does that mean that there is that sort of implication implied?

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47 minutes ago, chester said:

didn't watch it but given the source i'm sure it is indeed horrible.  i like the show generally but man-oh-man they can overdo the cringe factor.

If you generally like the show, you really should watch the clip. It's one of their better cringe dialogues and the comedic timing is perfect.

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