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So the RYCT has formally objected to the establishment of a new salmon farm off Wedge Island in Storm Bay because, what for it, it will be a hazard to yachts in the Hobart Race.

At best it is 7 miles off the rhumb line and what, all those experienced navigators can't miss a well lit fish farm.

And because of those two days a year there will be no fish farm.

Really!

Sounds like someone has another agenda.

 

www.abc.net.au/2016-07-17/news/salmon-farm-expansion-river-derwent-could-interrupt-yacht-race/7635948

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The Bergen to Shetland Race manages to sail across the North Sea through salmon farming zones and possibly the biggest offshore oil production area in the world with no problem.

 

Who hasn't managed to sail up the Huon River in the fog through all the salmon farms after the Pipe Opener?

 

This is a complete beat up.

 

Oh, and the RYCT was quite happy to give naming rights to its major regatta to Tassal's competitor Huon Aquaculture.

 

And while I'm at it, I haven't been on the committee of PESC for a few years so don't have a self-interest there, but can honestly say that both Tassal and Huon have provided huge support to sailing in Dover for many years.

 

And check the geographical knowledge in the link. Expansion in the River Derwent????

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-07-17/salmon-farm-expansion-river-derwent-could-interrupt-yacht-race/7635948

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And the representative from Environment Tasmania just happened to be at the RYCT this morning for the interview?

 

Who would have thought that the conservative RYCT was a Greens front?

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Good on RYCT, looking to the future for all tasmanian sailors.

 

RYCT should be applauded.

 

Now remind me again how many tons of wild caught fish is required to raise 1 ton of farm fish.?

 

What quantity of precious Penicillin for same and what quantity gets into wild fish stocks.

 

What chemical do they feed em to get the orange flesh?

 

Tasmania s' Clean and Green Image is a joke with FISHFARMS expanding.

 

 

 

 

Now where's my coat?

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Didn't the guy on the news "Baddenoch" run his powerboat into a fish pond some years back!

Quite a bit of damage as I remember. Might be wrong.

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Good on RYCT, looking to the future for all tasmanian sailors.

 

RYCT should be applauded.

 

Now remind me again how many tons of wild caught fish is required to raise 1 ton of farm fish.?

 

What quantity of precious Penicillin for same and what quantity gets into wild fish stocks.

 

What chemical do they feed em to get the orange flesh?

 

Tasmania s' Clean and Green Image is a joke with FISHFARMS expanding.

 

 

 

 

Now where's my coat?

 

There are not exactly the reasons given are they.

Of course if they are the motivations then RYCT are really making dicks of themselves.

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Good on RYCT, looking to the future for all tasmanian sailors.

 

RYCT should be applauded.

 

Now remind me again how many tons of wild caught fish is required to raise 1 ton of farm fish.?

 

Feed conversion ratio for farmed salmon is about 1.4:1, which is 1.4 kg of feed for 1 kg of growth. By comparison, most wild fish are about 10:1. Cattle are 10:1, pork about 6:1. and chicken about 3:1. Wild fish ratio for feed is about 1.8 kg of wild fish for 1 kg of salmon growth. From that 1.8 kg of wild fish comes 90g of fish oil and 120g of fish meal which is needed for the salmon. The main requirement is the oil. There is actually another 300g of fish meal which is left over and is fed to pigs or poultry. Wild fish harvest has been capped for many years. Increased salmon production has come from the use of other feed ingredients - vegetable protein etc.

 

What quantity of precious Penicillin for same and what quantity gets into wild fish stocks.

 

Penicillin is not used. The most common antibiotic is oxytetracycline which is only used when fish are sick. There is a 1500 degree day withholding period before fish can be harvested. A degree day is 1 degree of temperature for 1 day = 1 DD. So if the water is 10 degrees then it is 150 days. Antibiotic use has reduced significantly in recent years as all fish are now vaccinated in the hatcheries.

 

What chemical do they feed em to get the orange flesh?

 

That would be astaxanthin, or beta carotene. Wild salmon eat small crustaceans containing the same compound (everything is a chemical, including the H2O you drink and the O2 you breathe and the NaCl you put on your chips) which gives them the same colour. Astaxanthin can be synthesised in a laboratory or extracted from carrots. Eat enough carrots and you'll turn orange too.

Tasmania s' Clean and Green Image is a joke with FISHFARMS expanding.

 

Norway is the cleanest and greenest country in the world. It produces 1.4 million tonnes of salmon per year compared to Tasmania's 60 thousand, and Norway plans to double production. Tasmanian salmon farming's biosecurity practices, environmental guidelines, stocking densities, and planning regimes are superior to Norway's.

 

Do some research before posting rubbish like this. You've got the internet, you just need to develop the capacity to select the facts from the emotion.

 

 

Now where's my coat?

 

Shut the door behind you. OYF.

As Lydia said, the RYCT was not complaining about the environmental impact of fish farming, but suggesting that S2H sailors were unable of navigating around an obstruction 7 nm off the rhumb line. And the spokesman was an RYCT member who allegedly once ran his boat into a fish farm.

 

But to respond to the typical uninformed emotional hype that you get when you mention fish farming in Tasmania, see above.

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So the RYCT lodges an objection. As a user of the waterways that is their right.

 

Would have been a small / no influence on decision, I would think.

 

and finally:

1/ Wedge island is hardly off track.. only in best of conditions can you rhumbline across Storm Bay.

2/ Look at the proposal. Well to the west of the Island; it extends about 2.2nm wide to the west, and is 1.3nm wide.

 

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I'd be more concerned that the RYCT are being politically naive - they (and the Hobart Race) are probably being used/exploited by the green side of the argument.

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What conditions would make sailing close to Wedge Island be the preferred route chosen by S2H naviguessors?

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Either way, wonder if all of this has the approval of the RYCT board.

Have to be some resignations if the view is it is simply anti salmon farm enviro-nazi propaganda.

 

You can't sail around a salmon pen really!

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This just gets better, the current Commodore of the RYCT is the managing director of Muir Engineering. (Muir Windlasses and winches)

No need for that stuff on a fish farm.

Wonder what this just cost them?

Whoops

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Good on RYCT, looking to the future for all tasmanian sailors.

 

RYCT should be applauded.

 

Now remind me again how many tons of wild caught fish is required to raise 1 ton of farm fish.?

 

Feed conversion ratio for farmed salmon is about 1.4:1, which is 1.4 kg of feed for 1 kg of growth. By comparison, most wild fish are about 10:1. Cattle are 10:1, pork about 6:1. and chicken about 3:1. Wild fish ratio for feed is about 1.8 kg of wild fish for 1 kg of salmon growth. From that 1.8 kg of wild fish comes 90g of fish oil and 120g of fish meal which is needed for the salmon. The main requirement is the oil. There is actually another 300g of fish meal which is left over and is fed to pigs or poultry. Wild fish harvest has been capped for many years. Increased salmon production has come from the use of other feed ingredients - vegetable protein etc.

 

What quantity of precious Penicillin for same and what quantity gets into wild fish stocks.

 

Penicillin is not used. The most common antibiotic is oxytetracycline which is only used when fish are sick. There is a 1500 degree day withholding period before fish can be harvested. A degree day is 1 degree of temperature for 1 day = 1 DD. So if the water is 10 degrees then it is 150 days. Antibiotic use has reduced significantly in recent years as all fish are now vaccinated in the hatcheries.

 

What chemical do they feed em to get the orange flesh?

 

That would be astaxanthin, or beta carotene. Wild salmon eat small crustaceans containing the same compound (everything is a chemical, including the H2O you drink and the O2 you breathe and the NaCl you put on your chips) which gives them the same colour. Astaxanthin can be synthesised in a laboratory or extracted from carrots. Eat enough carrots and you'll turn orange too.

Tasmania s' Clean and Green Image is a joke with FISHFARMS expanding.

 

Norway is the cleanest and greenest country in the world. It produces 1.4 million tonnes of salmon per year compared to Tasmania's 60 thousand, and Norway plans to double production. Tasmanian salmon farming's biosecurity practices, environmental guidelines, stocking densities, and planning regimes are superior to Norway's.

 

Do some research before posting rubbish like this. You've got the internet, you just need to develop the capacity to select the facts from the emotion.

 

 

Now where's my coat?

 

Shut the door behind you. OYF.

As Lydia said, the RYCT was not complaining about the environmental impact of fish farming, but suggesting that S2H sailors were unable of navigating around an obstruction 7 nm off the rhumb line. And the spokesman was an RYCT member who allegedly once ran his boat into a fish farm.

 

But to respond to the typical uninformed emotional hype that you get when you mention fish farming in Tasmania, see above.

 

 

And the fish farms create a dead zone under AND around them as the concentration of fish in one spot shitting their brains out and just in general chewing up oxygenated water.

 

Cute to see you rambling off like a fucking muppet the details straight out of the fish farming pamphlet. So which farm do you work for?

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Either way, wonder if all of this has the approval of the RYCT board.

Have to be some resignations if the view is it is simply anti salmon farm enviro-nazi propaganda.

 

You can't sail around a salmon pen really!

 

99% against fish farms aren't "enviro-nazis" just not fucking retarded drones that enjoy shit fish. Bet you jam tilapia up your ass too don't you?

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Only part of the story here - wait to you see the Petuna proposal a bit further north in the bay- smack bang on the transit from the Raoul to the Pot and massive... Huon Aquaculture are also planning an expansion on the east Bruny shore as well.

 

The farms have well and truly fucked the Channel, now they want to do the same in Storm bay + what they have planned at Oakhampton Bay near Triabunna. I think people are saying enough is enough.. They are also doing some testing (data collection - water temps/quality etc) out off Blackman Bay I believe.

 

Maybe this is the answer? http://gcaptain.com/worlds-biggest-salmon-producer-wants-to-farm-fish-inside-a-cargo-ship/

 

BTW - said Commodore no longer with Muirs, has a role with Tasports now.

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When this thread started it was about the bullshit justification that the RYCT was using to object.

The longer it goes seems more about the RYCT being opted to a green cause.

Which was the point really.

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Lydia

When this thread started it was about the bullshit justification that the RYCT was using to object.

The longer it goes seems more about the RYCT being opted to a green cause.

Which was the point really.

 

Are you too fuk'n dumb to understand this is a good move by RYCT and will be benefit to Tasmania Boaties.

 

Fuck all to do with YOUR "green cause"

 

If you are not familiar with what the Pearl (aquaculture) Leases did to the Kimberley before economics and disease sorted them out (to a degree) then I suggest you do some research.

 

You've obviously got some petty childish axe to grind with RYCT .

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So it alright for RYCT (on behalf of it's members) to enter a political debate on a bullshit premise about a yacht race when the real issue is some of it members oppose fish farms!

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If you are going to oppose fish farms, come out and say it up front and don't not use a bullshit justification about a yacht race that goes on two days a year.

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So Tasports are a major sponsor of RYCT, and Tasports get money from the fish farms for the use of marine facilities.

And RYCT says you can't have fish farm because for 2 days a year some yachts may to sail around the fish pens.

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The classic example of a first world problem. Oppose something that will produce food on the grounds that the waterways are for our personal recreation.

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At best it is 7 miles off the rhumb line and what, all those experienced navigators can't miss a well lit fish farm.

 

Actually, the rhumb line from Raoul to the Iron Pot passes just over 2 NM from Wedge Island.

Looking at the proposal, the new farm would either be on the rhumb line, or very close to it.

 

They may have gone a little over the top, but in essence it probably is the role of the RTYC to point out that the farm will be in the way of the race.

It's up to the council / tribunal / courts (wherever the proposal ends up) to weigh up a potential disruption to a few yacht races vs the benefit of being able to eat more salmon. And up to the navigators to see if they can fit a yacht through a gap that is now 8 NM wide, rather than 10 NM. I'd like to think that the majority will be up to the challenge...

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The classic example of a first world problem. Oppose something that will produce food on the grounds that the waterways are for our personal recreation.

xacry

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. Oppose something that will produce food on the grounds that the waterways are for our personal recreation.

 

Well I'll be buttered on both sides. Theres me thinking that our waterways were just a cheap effluent disposal system for our fish farmers.

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Its also a classic example of the Tasmanian problem.

 

Let's keep our waterways, forests and nature -- and keep that nasty productive stuff somewhere else.

 

The rest of Oz will pay for our dysfunctional economy.

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. Oppose something that will produce food on the grounds that the waterways are for our personal recreation.

 

Well I'll be buttered on both sides. Theres me thinking that our waterways were just a cheap effluent disposal system for our fish farmers.

 

The biggest effluent scare in Tasmanian aquaculture in the last few years was caused by raw sewage running into a shellfish farming area. Human shit.

 

The worst health scare in Australian aquaculture was in the Wallis Lakes and the hepatitis outbreak, again due to human shit.

 

The CSIRO Huon Estuary study found that nitrogen levels from agricultural run-off were at least that from salmon farming, which contributed less than 25% of the nitrogen in the estuary - one of the most crowded salmon farming regions in the world.

 

https://www.cmar.csiro.au/research/huonestuary/summary.html

 

When Tasmania was first settled by the British there were so many whales in the Derwent it was unsafe to cross the river in a small boat. In the first 15 years of European settlement of SE Australia approximately 7 million seals were slaughtered for their fur. Where do you think these species used to crap? In the ocean! It's not a bucket, it's an eco-system. Check out what this ecologist has to say about the importance of whale shit.

 

https://www.ted.com/talks/asha_de_vos_why_you_should_care_about_whale_poo?language=en

 

Last year Australia's salmon aquaculture industry deposited 7,140 tonnes of faeces into the marine eco-system. Last year Australia's cattle industry deposited 297,000,000 tonnes of faeces into the land environment. Salmon shit is 0.002% of the bullshit alone, let alone, pig shit, sheep shit and chicken shit, all of which can be used to described the opinions of people like you which in today's society seem to have the same standing as actual scientific fact.

 

And run off from this cattle shit from dairies in the North West closed shellfish farms because of the e-coli contamination. Salmon shit does not contain e-coli.

 

Bugger me, Gallileo had a rough time in the Middle Ages when he came up against the Catholic church. He'd have no bloody chance in this age of SA, Facebook and "balanced journalism."

 

In 2013-14 farmed salmonid production was 41,846 tonnes. Total wild catch fisheries in that year were 152,210 tonnes. Where do you think those fish dumped their shit? And this is just the fish caught, sometimes not even the Total Allowable Catch, let alone the vast majority of the fish stocks that are not caught?

 

Source: http://data.daff.gov.au/data/warehouse/9aam/afstad9aamd003/2014/AustFishAquacStats_2014_v1.0.0.pdf

 

So enough with your shit!

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Wonder if PESC will get an invitation?

That would be interesting, seeing as who the Commodore works for!!

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Either Badenoch went on frolic of his own or if the RYCT board had given approval then there should be resignations.

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Wonder if PESC will get an invitation?

That would be interesting, seeing as who the Commodore work for

 

 

The secretary as well!

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Have not seen the date of the meeting published anywhere yet.

Funny!

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So apparently the mooring line for the pens will start 5 metres below the surface and you can navigate between the pens according to the Mercury Newspaper this morning.

Oh, and the fish farms will create 72 new full time jobs.

As I said complete dicks.

So how is that objection going exactly.

 

Anyone know if it got discussed at the AGM on Wednesday night.

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So apparently the mooring line for the pens will start 5 metres below the surface and you can navigate between the pens according to the Mercury Newspaper this morning.

Oh, and the fish farms will create 72 new full time jobs.

As I said complete dicks.

So how is that objection going exactly.

 

Anyone know if it got discussed at the AGM on Wednesday night.

You now need to add Rob Fisher and Richo to your list of dicks you dick.

 

From page 24 Saturdays Mercury.

 

Keep grinding that axe :D Looks like p irate can help you with your vested interest.

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http://www.themercury.com.au/news/tasmania/welcome-to-the-perfect-storm-salmon-growers-versus-competitive-sailors/news-story/8076cbb4d33f4d74297fa87dcf41128b

 

A mash up of three previously published articles plus an off the cuff opinion from Ricko and possibly the only Hobart yachtie they could contact is hardly cutting edge investigative journalism.

 

And Ricko's such an expert on salmon farming and the Tasmanian economy.

 

Read the comments on the original Mercury article and you'll see there's a fair bit of community backlash against the naysayers.

 

If the farm is a serious risk to navigation then I'm sure MAST will have the say so.

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Either way, wonder if all of this has the approval of the RYCT board.

Have to be some resignations if the view is it is simply anti salmon farm enviro-nazi propaganda.

 

You can't sail around a salmon pen really!

 

RYCT Vice-Commodore Tracey Matthews was in the telly interview with Mr Badenach - so obviously the Board was all over it - she was the deckhand on the start boat.

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As to the navigational hazard and yacht race argument lets look at some the restrictions imposed on Moreton Bay by the Port Authority which have a big say on the marine permit approval.

 

All vessels over 300 ton are deemed constrained by draft.

Races are generally restricted to south of the shipping area or north of the shipping area and can't pass between the two areas

If a race does transit between the areas race yachts can only cross the main entrance channel at one point visible to Port Control regardless of wind direction or course and must radio on VHF before doing so.

When races leave Moreton Bay race yacht are excluded from the Main Channel with the result the rhumb line course is often over sand banks of insufficient depth.

At the seaward entrance yachts are required to sail over Hamilton patches which sometime breaking water so as to keep them from the shipping channel.

All these things can have the effect of unfair racing but we don't make the rules.

 

Of course MAST could just put a virtual rounding mark in the middle of Storm Bay.

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Just to give some perspective here, because it is obviously a navigational challenge to so many boats, but if I have this right:

 

RYCT Maria Island Race 8 boats

 

And that the only race RYCT run across northern Storm Bay outside the Hobart Race which CYCA run.

 

Derwent Sailing Squadron does not appear to brought into the argument gets 28 boat for the Launceston Hobart Race.

 

So all of this is about the effect on a 8 boat race as that is the only direct effect on a RYCT event.

 

The VDL Cruise has not been mentioned yet but that is a cruise in company.

 

So I am not buying the greater good of the Tasmanian boating community argument about now!

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Just to give some perspective here, because it is obviously a navigational challenge to so many boats, but if I have this right:

 

RYCT Maria Island Race 8 boats

 

And that the only race RYCT run across northern Storm Bay outside the Hobart Race which CYCA run.

 

Derwent Sailing Squadron does not appear to brought into the argument gets 28 boat for the Launceston Hobart Race.

 

So all of this is about the effect on a 8 boat race as that is the only direct effect on a RYCT event.

 

The VDL Cruise has not been mentioned yet but that is a cruise in company.

 

So I am not buying the greater good of the Tasmanian boating community argument about now!

 

WTF? You really are a Dick , and miss the point entirely.

 

Keep on posting and building tour DICK profile, not that any one is really interested in your hole digging prowess.

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WTF? You really are a Dick , and miss the point entirely.

 

 

The point of the first article on the ABC News last Sunday (the Badenach one) was, "terrible risk to navigation."

 

The point of the article in the Mercury on Monday (the RYCT Commodore Johnston one) was, "possible risk to navigation."

 

The point of today's Mercury article (the Ricko, Rob Fisher one) is, "terrible risk to navigation."

 

So it seems the point is that the proposed lease is a risk to yacht race navigation on the S2H, L2H, Maria Race and Wedge Island Race.

 

But what is the point you think we're missing?

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Oh, and as one who has organised regular dinghy racing on Port Esperance where the weather goes from nothing to everything in a very short period of time, I for one count as one of our blessings that in addition to our club rescue boat, thanks to the salmon farms there are seaworthy boats, manned by competent qualified seamen, available at immediate notice in the case of emergency. I know of one junior sailor who possibly owes his life to a Tassal employee.

 

You might consider that having such similar vessels and expertise, and a constant radio listening watch, 24 hours a day, in the wilds of Storm Bay, might be a safety advantage to recreational vessels and racing yachts in the area. 365 days a year, not just the 2 or 3 when the S2H passes through.

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Haven't heard a word from any other Hobart clubs. Looks to me like the 'Royals' we are very important attitude, is alive and well but pretty sure they only represent their own members. I reckon a few of their members who are heavily involved directly or indirectly in Tassie Aquaculture are scratching their heads right now.

 

FFS - the last time a Wedge Island race was held a Tasmanian Sydney Hobart stalwart ended up on the bricks on the NE side of Wedge Island - obviously didn't see it - last Sydney he got cleaned up just after the start while he was trying to port tack the fleet. It takes skill to do that - lucky he hasn't run into Australia - not that easy to spot.

 

Richards mob (and most other Billionaire boats) can't get outa Hobart quick enough after the Sydney Hobart such is the respect they pay Tasmania - so how about you keep your farking million dollar opinions to yourself.

 

Oh and Fisher - the serial failed entrepreneur blowing good old Tony's wealth - I hope he has managed to pay entitlements to his employees from his latest liquidated Tassie venture - he's pulled his head out of his arse for 5 minutes to speak - as you were - nobody cares what you reckon champ - you seem to manage to find plenty of lifestyle discretionary pebbles - how about your employees.

 

Looks to me like the farming organisation is trying to have a mature conversation and the Royals have decided on behalf of their members to give them a rocket regardless. They are the current darlings of the lefty, latte sipping, NIMBY's - bet their members are loving that.

 

Pretty polarised opinions down here - but one thing is for sure - not many give a flying fark about whether the Sydney Hobart boats are in the way of the proposal. The Royals have run their flag up, shot their load and are tugging hard trying to reload.

 

Unexpected and intriguing. Can't wait for the next exciting chapter from the fine Royal Yacht Club of Tasmania.

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Hey Overlay, you just got called out son !!

 

You really are as dense as dog shit .

 

 

 

And I am one of those RYCT members who is going WTF!

 

So you've got a bitchy little axe to grind with the RYCT .

 

Google is your friend when it comes to reasons why you should support your clubs stance.

 

Don't come on here with your whiny, bitching , grinding ,teeth gnashing. Sort it out with your club . You wonder why yacht clubs are dying, and there's you throwing stones from outside the tent.

 

Obviously the interest of your fellow sailors is low on your priority list.

 

Time to get your mate p irate to man up and stop digging. It makes you both look silly.

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Google is your friend

 

Time to get your mate p irate to man up

 

You don't need Google mate. I already posted links to back up my facts.

 

And again, if we are missing your point, then what is it?

 

Plenty of pro-salmon farm talk at the DSS today, next door to the RYCT. Where might you be exactly?

 

Anyway, I've provided you with the facts, Waterfront has posted the argument that should have ended this shit fight in terms of from where us Tasmanian yachties stand.

 

I don't need to man up, and anyway, as I've recently had to do a bit of study of a Churchillian nature I will leave you with a quote from the great Winston Churchill himself. "I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man."

 

OYF

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RYCT took this into the public domain the moment they called the press conference with the ABC and Environment Tasmania.

And don't worry I will be throwing stones from inside the tent as well.

 

Lastly, what is " the interest of fellow sailors exactly".

Seems rather selfish if that means you object to a fish farm because you might have to sail around it one day.

No one can seriously argue a fish farm in open waters poses such a navigational hazard that it should not be allowed to proceed.

 

You might have other objections to it but to claim navigation hazard that will interfere with a some rich white guy yacht race is childish and selfish.

And right now I would be betting a big part of the Tasmanian community are seeing RYCT as exactly that.

 

Or is it that to support " the interest of fellow sailors" then as a point of principle I must oppose fish farms.

Because I am betting that is what Overlay really means.

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What is all about? I don't follow..

 

 

But I got hungry and want some salmon dish.

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Over to you then, what is the point?

That you need to get out more?

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I heard that one Tasmanian Salmon farmer was prosecuted by the RSPCA after drowning 5 Boarder Collies..

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I heard that one Tasmanian Salmon farmer was prosecuted by the RSPCA after drowning 5 Boarder Collies..

There's a joke in there somewhere about boarders and schools of fish, but that last bottle of red has killed it off...

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Two Tassal Salmon are in a tank. One says to the other, "Do you know how to drive this thing?

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I heard that one Tasmanian Salmon farmer was prosecuted by the RSPCA after drowning 5 Boarder Collies..

There's a joke in there somewhere about boarders and schools of fish, but that last bottle of red has killed it off...

 

I for one support the Government's tough stance on Boarder Protection :o

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Regardless of which camp you choose vis a vis the potential negative environmental impact versus the potential positive economic impact of salmon farming, the original point was that the RYCT claims about the navigational risk were / are a at best an ill-informed insult to S2H navigators and at worst a pretty obvious front for an altogether different agenda (and what you think about the other agenda really isn't the point).

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Agendas in yacht clubs? Who'da thunk that?

 

Love a good shit fight. Bring Lawyers Guns and Money, for the shit has hit the fan.

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Seems like RYCT has sent out a survey to all its members. Questions relating to navigation are ok, but asking members opinions on environmental impacts and legislated management schemes is perhaps going beyond the brief of a yacht club.

 

Haven't seen anything from other clubs other than a comment at PESC that, "we don't need a survey cos we don't have a problem with fish farms."

 

I would hate the results of the RYCT survey to be claimed to represent all Tasmanian yachties, but we'll wait to see what the results are.

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Q1) Do you want to lose a valued long term sponsor?

 

Q2) Do you want your club fees to rise by 235%?

 

Q3) Should a waiter deliver food to the table past your port or starbord shoulder?

 

Should be easy!

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Filled out my survey and I am waiting for the call from the Commodore or at least a letter to front the Committee to get suspended.

 

Then I can hold a press conference.

 

I am still good for blockading the Hobart finish line.

 

Sure we could rustle up a few rusty trawlers and squid boats for the job.

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Tasmania is a lovely place to briefly visit ....bit like Tennessee...but the reality is the place is socially and economically fucked...out of towner's from Toorak, Mosman etc on the mainland buying into this debate should pull their heads in.

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I will be sure to tell Mr Richards your views!

 

I can see a fish farm from the house so guess I can have an opinion

 

And yes it is really terrible and you never want to live here.

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Lydia I doubt Mark Richards spends more than one night a year in Tassie....so what are you telling him???...it's Postcode??

 

Mate I see dead bodies floatin outside my house in Asia...your view sounds great.

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Thought you were telling mainlanders who brought into the debate to pull their heads in.

Guess that applied to Richards who had no trouble buying into the debate in the media.

Which is exactly the point.

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Clever

Thanks, I'm here all week. If you're in a hurry, try the curry.

Tip your waitress.

Out

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Clever

Thanks, I'm here all week. If you're in a hurry, try the curry.

Tip your waitress.

Out

 

???

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LP, Sporty is just having a little joke with me.

During the week I had a lapse of judgement and brought a little project to keep me off the streets at least to the Hobart Wooden Boat Festival, namely the original Doug Booker built "Defiance".

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LP, Sporty is just having a little joke with me.

During the week I had a lapse of judgement and brought a little project to keep me off the streets at least to the Hobart Wooden Boat Festival, namely the original Doug Booker built "Defiance".

You have a bit of living history there Lydia....don't break it. You can also breathe life into this thread.

 

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=20443

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All the action has been over on the "No fish Farms for Tasmanian East Coast" FB page.

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LP, Sporty is just having a little joke with me.

During the week I had a lapse of judgement and brought a little project to keep me off the streets at least to the Hobart Wooden Boat Festival, namely the original Doug Booker built "Defiance".

If you want to do the Hobart race in it, I am busy. Hanging out for a better offer on an S&S 36.

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All the action has been over on the "No fish Farms for Tasmanian East Coast" FB page.

I am rooting for Gus who just wants the group to enjoy the real reason of the fb group like the benifits of fish farming, while joining that anti fish farming group....passive agressive much.

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LP, Sporty is just having a little joke with me.

During the week I had a lapse of judgement and brought a little project to keep me off the streets at least to the Hobart Wooden Boat Festival, namely the original Doug Booker built "Defiance".

You have a bit of living history there Lydia....don't break it. You can also breathe life into this thread.

 

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=20443

 

Sadly, that thread is now locked - pity, because there's a new chapter about to be written. I wonder if Clean or Ed can resurrect the thread?

 

Question: was there not a second Brooker built SS30/Defiance type?

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LP, Sporty is just having a little joke with me.

During the week I had a lapse of judgement and brought a little project to keep me off the streets at least to the Hobart Wooden Boat Festival, namely the original Doug Booker built "Defiance".

If you want to do the Hobart race in it, I am busy. Hanging out for a better offer on an S&S 36.

 

 

LB, Greasy already offered quick as a flash.

Sorry mate better talent available!

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Does anybody have/know of any data collection of tide/current data around Tasmania?

I have a few reports/websites from CSIRO and Ocean currents but I am looking for some thin a bit more.

For instance, Hobart ports have data loggers on the Tasman bridge to measure current. Does anyone have access to that info?

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Lydia better have them. Going to need avoid pushing to much tide in his latest pile of dead trees.

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Greenpeace have just put old timber IOR shitters on the hit list along with Jap long liners and whale killers on account of people with more money than sense and who clearly don't work for a living buying them and then ripping down a forest or two of endangered species just to rebuild these timber lead mines....then again Greenpeace are funded by Beneteau though.

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LP, Sporty is just having a little joke with me.

During the week I had a lapse of judgement and brought a little project to keep me off the streets at least to the Hobart Wooden Boat Festival, namely the original Doug Booker built "Defiance".

You have a bit of living history there Lydia....don't break it. You can also breathe life into this thread.

 

http://forums.sailinganarchy.com/index.php?showtopic=20443

 

Sadly, that thread is now locked - pity, because there's a new chapter about to be written. I wonder if Clean or Ed can resurrect the thread?

 

Question: was there not a second Brooker built SS30/Defiance type?

 

We had our cruiser 28 a few bollards down from Impeccable, in 1982-4. There must be info newer than 2006 about all those beasties.

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LP, Sporty is just having a little joke with me.

During the week I had a lapse of judgement and brought a little project to keep me off the streets at least to the Hobart Wooden Boat Festival, namely the original Doug Booker built "Defiance".

If you want to do the Hobart race in it, I am busy. Hanging out for a better offer on an S&S 36.

You don't have enough class for a 36.......

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We had our cruiser 28 a few bollards down from Impeccable, in 1982-4. There must be info newer than 2006 about all those beasties.

 

Peterson 3/4. Quietly rotting on its mooring.

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We had our cruiser 28 a few bollards down from Impeccable, in 1982-4. There must be info newer than 2006 about all those beasties.

 

Peterson 3/4. Quietly rotting on its mooring.

 

Shame it was a hive of spit & polish back then when JW was alive.

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We had our cruiser 28 a few bollards down from Impeccable, in 1982-4. There must be info newer than 2006 about all those beasties.

 

Peterson 3/4. Quietly rotting on its mooring.

 

Shame it was a hive of spit & polish back then when JW was alive.

 

 

Ha! She may have been that back in '82, but she ran on work-boat maintenance levels for the rest of her racing life (which was long)

 

JW's son + a few odds and sods take her out for a run in the harbour now and then.

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We had our cruiser 28 a few bollards down from Impeccable, in 1982-4. There must be info newer than 2006 about all those beasties.

 

Peterson 3/4. Quietly rotting on its mooring.

 

Shame it was a hive of spit & polish back then when JW was alive.

 

 

Ha! She may have been that back in '82, but she ran on work-boat maintenance levels for the rest of her racing life (which was long)

 

JW's son + a few odds and sods take her out for a run in the harbour now and then.

 

'Tis a pity Duncan. Someone should pick up Impeccable and clean her up. Give the S&S34 a run for their money. Will need to sort out crew first though...

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So RYCT go top the trouble of doing a survey of their members about the issue.

That is a good few weeks ago now.

Nothing but silence now.

Guess the survey did not get the result they wanted.

Have to see if I "snoop" around a bit more the directors might make the results public or call an election!

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So RYCT go top the trouble of doing a survey of their members about the issue.

That is a good few weeks ago now.

Nothing but silence now.

Guess the survey did not get the result they wanted.

Have to see if I "snoop" around a bit more the directors might make the results public or call an election!

 

You come across as a total white anting cunt, Lydia.

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I am not a white anting cunt, no white anting here, I joined a yacht club not a fucking environmental group.

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'Tis a pity Duncan. Someone should pick up Impeccable and clean her up. Give the S&S34 a run for their money. Will need to sort out crew first though...

 

 

 

more appropriate than you realise (or maybe you do).

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So RYCT say they will consult with other boating groups, guess Port Esperance Sailing Club and Port Cygnet Sailing Club are not important enough to count.

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'Tis a pity Duncan. Someone should pick up Impeccable and clean her up. Give the S&S34 a run for their money. Will need to sort out crew first though...

 

 

 

more appropriate than you realise (or maybe you do).

 

I'm aware

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So RYCT say they will consult with other boating groups, guess Port Esperance Sailing Club and Port Cygnet Sailing Club are not important enough to count.

 

Christ mate - the RYCT wouldn't know those clubs existed.

 

Hahaha - "other boat groups" - who would they be? Bothwell Tuna Club? Campbell Town Jetski Society? Cradle Mountain Radio Controlled Yacht Association?

 

Clearly the real yacht clubs have given them the bird.

 

You'd be hoping the council doesn't put roundabouts on Sandy Bay Road. Very few 'Royal' members will be able to navigate their way out of their burb.

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The clubhouse does look like the Sandy Bay Retirement Home at lunchtime ....

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I can't believe educated aussies still eat farmed fish. it doesn't even fucking taste like salmon.

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Well the RYCT has had enough time to analyse the results of the survey. Are they going to release them to the public? Or at least to their members?

 

Interesting that having heard anything from the other major clubs they must have chosen to remain apolitical and presumably conduct any discussions behind closed doors. As they should.

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I can't believe educated aussies still eat farmed fish. it doesn't even fucking taste like salmon.

This is a thread about expansion of fish farms potentially impacting on navigation in the S2H. If you want to harp on about the environmental issues Clean, then take it to PA or take it up with fellow US anti-salmon farming nutjobs like Alexandra Morton.

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I can't believe educated aussies still eat farmed fish. it doesn't even fucking taste like salmon.

 

For the most part, we don't. We export that shit...

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