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19 hours ago, stinky said:

Anyone have predictions?

Here's mine:

Division 0:  Phaedo.  Can't be beat, Mazaratii will threaten, but won't be able to catch up after Phaedo leads off the coast.

Division 1: Asshole.  The old handjob beats the new handjob.

Division 2: Merlin.  Small boat, huge sails.  In anything under 15 they'll dominate.

Division 3:  Resolute. Hard to beat a well sailed 125.  LadyBoy a threat if it blows.

Divison 4:  Toss up between Prevail, Horizon and Oxacca.  Dee Cafarri for the win!

 

Here are our guestimates, bummed that Sweet Okole isn't racing this Transpac.

Division 0: Agree.
Division 0A/Multihull: Kastor Pollux, a slam dunk
Division 1: It'll be a match between Comanche and Rio100, and I wouldn't discount the Canadian entry, Kinetic V.
Division 2: Grand Illusion and Pyewacket, only because they're the WaikikiYC entries.
Division 3: Undecided.
Division 4: Oaxaca. Well, because Dee Caffari's helming.

 

Sweet Okole in the 11th Pacific Cup  © Leslie Richter + rockskipper.png

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13 hours ago, Hitchhiker said:

That's not Oahu, that's Kaneohe Bay.  Pac Cup. 

I always thought Kaneohe Bay was on the island of Oahu......  

See you tonight.

Here's hoping sailflow is accurate at this point.

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22 minutes ago, opusone said:

I always thought Kaneohe Bay was on the island of Oahu......  

See you tonight.

Here's hoping sailflow is accurate at this point.

Too many things swirling the wrong way for me to think the forecast will hold up. 

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2 hours ago, opusone said:

I always thought Kaneohe Bay was on the island of Oahu......  

See you tonight.

Here's hoping sailflow is accurate at this point.

Weird mental separation I have.  I always associate Transpac with Oahu, but Pac Cup with Kaneohe.  After ten of these it's just I how roll!

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Here are our guestimates, bummed that Sweet Okole isn't racing this Transpac.

Division 0: Agree.
Division 0A/Multihull: Kastor Pollux, a slam dunk
Division 1: It'll be a match between Comanche and Rio100, and I wouldn't discount the Canadian entry, Kinetic V.
Division 2: Grand Illusion and Pyewacket, only because they're the WaikikiYC entries.
Division 3: Undecided.
Division 4: Oaxaca. Well, because Dee Caffari's helming.

I would place my bet's on:

 

Division 0:  Pass 

Division1: Comanche: Difficult to bet against Honey and one of the biggest badest boats on the planet.

Division 2: Have to go with the Mouse and their boat speed, very difficult to bet against O'Brien and the GI team.

Division 3: Always difficult to beat a J 125, Fuller runs a well prepared boat they are going to have to catch Varuna? It will be close, Resolute for the win, both boats will do well overall

Division 4: I view this fleet in aah, ten similar boats, you can almost call it the last of corinthian class/one design ocean racing? For all the 40 + year old armchair racers this year with the dream, in what other class can you have real food, with a real head and a dry bunk? Then add the exhilaration of "Fast is Fun", aboard Horizon in this years Coastal Cup we hit a new boat speed recorded of 28.8 knots. Why would you not want to join this class?

It would bring us the wrong JuJu if I was to bet on this class, I might point out we did have a substantial delta on the rest of our fleet in this years Coastal Cup. To the other competitors in our class, enjoy the moment this is going to be a memorable race.

Division 5: I am going to have to go with Locomotive, they have been on the race course this year and will have to assume they are the best prepared.

Division 6: I do have any information on this fleet, although always difficult to bet against a Hobie 33

Division 7: How to you bet against Pearlman, 7th Trans Pac, good crew and well prepared. They will have to sail fewer miles than the Cal 40's.

 

Lets hope for wind!

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Just ran the race on Expedition.

Lots of options!

But for us, the fifth is looking like the best starting day. 35 hours faster than the third, and 10 hours faster than the sixth.

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4 hours ago, hbsurfer said:

Just went down and took a look today.   You need to see Maserati in person to believe it!! 

Rainbow Harbor or LA Harbor for Maserati?

Where's Commanche?

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Weather is looking pretty unstable. It's going to take some good legs to stay in the pressure and great decision making on the fly to avoid getting swallowed up in light air. But, it's going to be great racing with and against so many friends.

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16 hours ago, blunderfull said:

Rainbow Harbor or LA Harbor for Maserati?

Where's Commanche?

Close by. Update 07.02.2017 1458h PDT: Comanche is anchored at 33.71767° / -118.278°

"So beamy is Comanche that she was given the nickname the 'Aircraft Carrier'" (Yachting World, 12.2015).

Supermaxi Comanche..."So beamy is Comanche that she was given the nickname the Aircraft Carrier" (yachtinworld 12.2015).jpg

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@Stinky & @Dude: Changing my mind... Mighty Merloe to win in Transpac 2017 Division 0—Multihulls. Loïck Peyron's helming.

 

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Bummer, now Exp has today 11 hours slower than Wednesday's time, and Thursday's time 10 hours faster. I was hoping to have the Overall on the table.

 

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2 hours ago, Trevor B said:

Bummer, now Exp has today 11 hours slower than Wednesday's time, and Thursday's time 10 hours faster. I was hoping to have the Overall on the table.

 

Just wait.....it'll change.  Looks like the Monday starters have some pressure to get away from the coast today - already quite breezy for them.

At least longer range is looking better.  See you on Thursday -

Cheers,

opusone

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Just saw a big tri with black sails go by the office here in carlsbad.  I suspect it was Mighty Merloe.  It was deceptively fast, like a freighter.  One minute it is several miles to the south, sailing calmly along in the 8-10 kts we usually have here.  A few minutes later it's directly in front, and a few minutes after that it's off to the north. By the time I call my wife to tell her about it, it's gone.

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On ‎7‎/‎2‎/‎2017 at 0:14 PM, Training Wheels said:

Is DORADE in the race? I don't see them entered.

They are heading to Sydney for the Hobart race, can't remember the routing of how they are getting there but not in the race this time.

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On ‎7‎/‎1‎/‎2017 at 2:55 PM, Trevor B said:

Just ran the race on Expedition.

Lots of options!

But for us, the fifth is looking like the best starting day. 35 hours faster than the third, and 10 hours faster than the sixth.

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Southern track this year?

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On ‎6‎/‎30‎/‎2017 at 7:58 PM, Hitchhiker said:

That's not Oahu, that's Kaneohe Bay.  Pac Cup. 

Kaneohe is on the NE shore of Oahu...Or are you thinking of Hanalei Bay on Kauai?

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1 hour ago, ~HHN92~ said:

They are heading to Sydney for the Hobart race, can't remember the routing of how they are getting there but not in the race this time.

Thanks. I saw them head to Newport Beach then Long Beach now. Where  the AIS shows their location, probably getting loaded on a ship.

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looks set up for the rich to get richer, building winds all week, best for the big guys (per WindyTy anyway)

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We're also following Oaxaca, with Dee Caffari at the helm, the only female skipper in the 2017 Transpac. #WeHaveComeaLongWayBabe

Dee Caffari, the only helmswoman in the 2017 Transpac.jpg

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I'm watching Oaxaca, mainly because the owner Michael is a crewmate / competitor / friend.  Go Oaxaca!

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13 minutes ago, Captain Gigi said:

Great shot of Transpac 2017 Start 1 July 3, 2017 |  © Sharon Green + Ultimate Sailing + SoCal Sailing News

Transpac 2017 Start 1 July 3, 2017  © Sharon Green +Ultimate Sailing + SoCal Sailing News.jpg

pretty sure that is the start of the 2013 version.

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31 minutes ago, full circle said:

pretty sure that is the start of the 2013 version.

You're quite right...sharp eyes...my bad. This is the one from Yacht Boat News I should have posted.

Transpac 2017 Start 1 July 3, 2017  © Sharon Green + Ultimate Sailing + Yacht Boat News.jpg

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ais only good for a bit .. most turn off very quick, well some

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Can anybody point me in the direction of resources for delivery crews for the return to California? Meetings in HI? Traditions? Anybody else in the same boat?

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Is yellowbrick reading worth a damn for everyone else?  Marine traffic and VesselFinder have the fast boats around Catalina.  Yellowbrick has them at the dock. What gives?

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4 minutes ago, Kack said:

Is yellowbrick reading worth a damn for everyone else?  Marine traffic and VesselFinder have the fast boats around Catalina.  Yellowbrick has them at the dock. What gives?

4 hour(?) delay on YB.

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5 minutes ago, Kack said:

Is yellowbrick reading worth a damn for everyone else?  Marine traffic and VesselFinder have the fast boats around Catalina.  Yellowbrick has them at the dock. What gives?

yellowbrick is on a multi-hour delay so teams cannot use it as a tracking tool for strategy against other boats.

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5 minutes ago, full circle said:

yellowbrick is on a multi-hour delay so teams cannot use it as a tracking tool for strategy against other boats.

As well as some folks being on Hawaiian time, or HST, maybe?

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@valis: Just noticed that Mighty Merloe hasn't reported her position in over 1h23m, but Maserati gave her position just 2m ago (AIS). I'd venture a guess that MM has gone into stealth mode, if that's allowed.

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On 7/5/2017 at 4:05 PM, Captain Gigi said:

We're also following Oaxaca, with Dee Caffari at the helm, the only female skipper in the 2017 Transpac. #WeHaveComeaLongWayBabe

Dee Caffari, the only helmswoman in the 2017 Transpac.jpg

Sin Duda has a gal skipper.  Lindsey Duda and her Chicago team. 

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In case it has not been mentioned earlier, it is possible to follow the race in real time on https://www.vesselfinder.com/

Maserati and Phaedo 3 have been  dueling since Catalina.  Right now Maserati is hanging onto its lead with 34.7 kts, while Phaedo 3 is doing 28.2 kts and Comanche is gamely following with  20.3 kts.

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8 hours ago, onelegchris said:

Can anybody point me in the direction of resources for delivery crews for the return to California? Meetings in HI? Traditions? Anybody else in the same boat?

To clarify- I already have a ride back to the mainland.  I am looking for any resources, online or in person in Hawaii, that can help out those returning to California.  Are there daily check-ins we can participate in? Maybe a party or get together for those returning? Weather briefings for returners?   

Does anyone know if anything like this exists?  I suppose some of the best people to talk to are in the middle of the pacific right now....

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AIS Tracking -- The shoreside AIS receivers stop reliably receiving the Class-B transponders somewhere past San Clemente island (most of the racers carry Class-B).  Beyond that the reception gets very spotty and you may only get an occasional decode with long gaps between.  Class-A transponders transmit with more power (25W vs 3W) and can be picked up at a somewhat greater distance, but beyond 50 - 100 NM you generally won't get any reception at all.  There can be radio propagation anomalies such as tropospheric ducting that can extend this range, but this isn't usually the case, and I'm not seeing any evidence of this now.

You can pick up AIS in mid-ocean by paying marinetraffic.com for satellite AIS reception, and while this works fairly well for Class-A transponders, the Class-B reception is quite marginal -- I've seen gaps up to 24 hours between AIS decodes of Class-B.  So once the boats get beyond reliable shore-based AIS reception, I think we are limited to the Yellowbrick tracker.

During some of the recent Pacific Cup races, the raw undelayed Yellowbrick data was available if you knew the secret URL.  I believe there was some unpleasantness when someone on the course figured out the link.  Perhaps this system has changed now.

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Well, is this the race where offshore foiling finally shows itself to be an advantage?  At this point, looks like Maserati is giving Faedo more than a fight (without needing Faedo to take a wrong turn).  Mighty Merlow not exactly chopped liver at this point, either.

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21 hours ago, Grinder said:

Sin Duda has a gal skipper.  Lindsey Duda and her Chicago team. 

Thanks for the update. Lindsey and her Chicago team need more pr, don't you think?

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18 hours ago, onelegchris said:

To clarify- I already have a ride back to the mainland.  I am looking for any resources, online or in person in Hawaii, that can help out those returning to California.  Are there daily check-ins we can participate in? Maybe a party or get together for those returning? Weather briefings for returners?   

Does anyone know if anything like this exists?  I suppose some of the best people to talk to are in the middle of the pacific right now....

 It's up to you to chat up the delivery crews. There will always be a SSB check in / bullshit schedule amongst the returning boats. Since all boats now use Sat phones/e-mail, there will also be a lot of messages sent back & forth. Addresses are easily gotten by talking to the boats, everyone wants to stay in contact with each other. Other support services can also be found by asking around crews or at Hawaii Yacht club/Waikiki YC

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Maserati really starting to stretch out, now, with 18 mile lead on Mighty Merloe, and more than 32 on Phaedo.  Get ready for Doug Lord to come in and claim he is winning the Transpac.

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The YBTracking update a few minutes ago, shows Mighty Merloe ahead at 1000h HST/ 1300 DST. That's my team!  Allez, skipper Loïck Peyron !
 

That's my team!  © Transpac 2017 + YB Trackingpng.png

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^ Maserati is 18mi ahead of Mighty Merlot, and is carrying a 3knt speed advantage.  Seems the wind and seas is working for the foiling tri, at this point.  Impressive what the former IMOCA is doing to Phaedo at this point.  I did not know Loick was on it.  Very cool.

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By the way, Merlin, Pyewacket, and Runaway have all been within sight of eachother all day.  Couple of SC70s very close, too.

Comanche was probably within sight of some of the next group when she blazed through, today, too, going twice the speed of almost all other monos (except Rio).  Would have been a highlight of the passage for those boats.

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On July 2, 2017 at 0:14 PM, Training Wheels said:

Is DORADE in the race? I don't see them entered.

Dorade was loaded aboard a ship a few days ago, headed for Australia and the S2H.

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It appears the lane to the final approach is going to be critical as there are soft spots in there. Has this southerly approach ever been a fast one? I always thought the rhumb line or north of it is the common course.

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Maserati diving south - interesting. Comanche just truckin' along. Modern speeds of these boats just amazing in comparison to everyone else. 

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Interesting splits/maneuvers between the three big tris.  Maserati still holding a speed edge and a 26 mile advantage over Phaedo, but now behind in DTF to Mighty Merloe.  VERY cool race developing between those two.

Pyewacket starting to develop a small lead over Merlin, my favorite race, right now.  GO MERLIN!!!

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1 hour ago, GauchoGreg said:

Interesting splits/maneuvers between the three big tris.  Maserati still holding a speed edge and a 26 mile advantage over Phaedo, but now behind in DTF to Mighty Merloe.  VERY cool race developing between those two.

Pyewacket starting to develop a small lead over Merlin, my favorite race, right now.  GO MERLIN!!!

Yeah, the ol' girl can still run with the best of them. Cool to be able to see Merlin in Santa Cruz when out visiting the bro. Stood on the dock where the pic of Bill Lee was taken for the TP page article.

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49 minutes ago, ~HHN92~ said:

Yeah, the ol' girl can still run with the best of them. Cool to be able to see Merlin in Santa Cruz when out visiting the bro. Stood on the dock where the pic of Bill Lee was taken for the TP page article.

Yeah, I went by and saw her back in April while visiting SC, too.  Wish she was still white and had the old cabin, though.  I don't think my wife and kids really understood why I thought she was a big deal.

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2 hours ago, GauchoGreg said:

Yeah, I went by and saw her back in April while visiting SC, too.  Wish she was still white and had the old cabin, though.  I don't think my wife and kids really understood why I thought she was a big deal.

Yeah, my mom, who was along for the ride to see the sights of California, was a bit mystified also. Having lived and saw the TP boats while we were in Hawaii understood to a certain degree. If it had been Windward Passage she might have taken a look herself.

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7 minutes ago, ~HHN92~ said:

Yeah, my mom, who was along for the ride to see the sights of California, was a bit mystified also.

Yeah, moms are like that.

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Maserati's split is getting bigger and bigger.  Now at a a 29mi deficit to Mighty Merloe, and a slight lead over Phaedo, but the split will likely make the difference, one way or the other.  Have to believe they were very concerned about light air ahead in the northern route hurting them with the foils, as they had the speed advantage over both MM and Phaedo over the past day, so why otherwise not "cover"?  Looking at Windytv, certainly looks like the south has  significant amount more wind.  Will be interesting to watch.  Comanche, behind the big tris, appears to be kind of splitting the difference between Maserati and the other two tris, and I trust Stan Honey's analysis.

Will be interesting to watch this develop tomorrow.

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1 hour ago, Captain Gigi said:

Yeah, moms are like that.

© Joe Dator + New Yorker.png

You nailed it, that would be her. She is a veteran of crossing the Molokai channel twice, once upwind and then downwind home.

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Only an hour to the FL separates Phaedo3 and Mighty Merloe, as she maintains her lead over Maserati, and holds 1st place in the Multihulls Division. You can do it, MM Team!

An hour between you and Phaedo3 to the FL, Mighty Merloe. You can do it!.png

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What's up with Rio 100?  Tracker has her down to 10 knots for awhile now. Was heading due south as well. Now back to a port tack heading but still slow. 

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The one boat ( besides the multis) that really impresses me is Dark Star, the Hobie 33. Every time I check the tracker, there she is trucking along. kudos to the crew.

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2 hours ago, Wash said:

What's up with Rio 100?  Tracker has her down to 10 knots for awhile now. Was heading due south as well. Now back to a port tack heading but still slow. 

Lost the port rudder. 

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I thought that the 2 MOD 70 on steroids would left the ORMA 60 in their wake, but either Loïck Peyron is really making a difference or Mighty Merloe is indeed mighty !

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Well MOD 70s are essentially ORMA 60s but with longer hulls, and slightly heavier. So no real surprise. 

Masarati will have no data numbers to work from, which may explain her weather routing, and there was a comment from Phaedo (twitter I think) that they are missing their multihull expert and were being a bit cautious.

That said, Loick could make a bathtub fly! He is the Maitre de Jedi....

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Not just Loic but also Franck Proffit and Jacques Vincent. They added quite a bit of French multi experience.
I sometimes wonder how that works. Money make the world go round for the highest bidder vs. getting paid a bit for taking part in a major race that was on the bucket list.

Meanwhile: 24h record in the Transpac goes to Comanche 484.1nm,  20.2 kts avg.

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59 minutes ago, Potter said:

Well MOD 70s are essentially ORMA 60s but with longer hulls, and slightly heavier. So no real surprise. 

Masarati will have no data numbers to work from, which may explain her weather routing, and there was a comment from Phaedo (twitter I think) that they are missing their multihull expert and were being a bit cautious.

That said, Loick could make a bathtub fly! He is the Maitre de Jedi....

They lost Brian Thompson before the race. Probably their most experienced all around member   

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46 minutes ago, RKoch said:

How is Merlin doing? Tracker doesn't work on iPhone...

Hanging in there at 4th.  To the north of Pyewacket.  On track to easily beat her original record.

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^  Bummer.  Wondering where their speed advantage went.  Would have loved to see Maserati & Phaedo both go at 100% in a long passage like this to see how the foiling panned out.  No chance to foil on the port tack with that rudder gone.  Now just dragging more foil around.

Oh well, rooting for Mighty Merloe, anyway.  Looking solid.  Fun if they set they win with all the talk going in for Phaedo & Maserati.

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1 hour ago, RKoch said:

How is Merlin doing? Tracker doesn't work on iPhone...

Works fine on my iphone.  Do you have the Yellow brick app?

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2 hours ago, Grinder said:

Works fine on my iphone.  Do you have the Yellow brick app?

i tried to download the current yellow brick app on my android tablet after this current transpac started and was notified that i had to pay to use it.  did not pay to download current yellow brick app to use on tablet and decided to just use my laptop to check out the tracker.  i then noticed that i had previous yellow brick app downloaded on tablet and it works with the current transpac, old app works ok but does not have all the added features yellow brick added for this current transpac tracking.  

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