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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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Transpac 2017

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46 minutes ago, bajakiter said:

So... Rio lost a rudder, had to make "at sea repairs", limped in a day and a half behind Comanche, but still beat her!

Kind of takes away some of Comanche's thunder or is the rating system that skewed?

Go Merlin and Hobie 33!

Comanche was not built to rate.

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Go Varuna!

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2 hours ago, bajakiter said:

So... Rio lost a rudder, had to make "at sea repairs", limped in a day and a half behind Comanche, but still beat her!

Kind of takes away some of Comanche's thunder or is the rating system that skewed?

Go Merlin and Hobie 33!

Rio is the Barn Door winner for the first monohull to finish that is not power assisted. Comanche gets the first monohull of any type finish, and Mighty Merloe gets the multihull trophy. This was broken out a number of years ago once more than traditional monohull's started racing.

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5 minutes ago, ~HHN92~ said:

Rio is the Barn Door winner for the first monohull to finish that is not power assisted. Comanche gets the first monohull of any type finish, and Mighty Merloe gets the multihull trophy. This was broken out a number of years ago once more than traditional monohull's started racing.

Is it that Comanche has a powered canting keel and RIO doesn't?  Comanche's sail handling systems are all human powered I believe

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30 minutes ago, Thisnametaken said:

Is it that Comanche has a powered canting keel and RIO doesn't?  Comanche's sail handling systems are all human powered I believe

correct.

 

Rio story is pretty bitchin.  Could have gone waaaayyyyy worse.

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Going all over Tarnation! What the hell! Mr. Bill 400+ miles separated from Pyewacket and 150 miles back on DTF... and the southernmost boat? 

Talk about losing the plot!

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There is a massive hole developing over most of the fleet.  I think Mr. Bill to the south and Medusa to the north are trying to sail around it.

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5 hours ago, Code 2 said:

Go Varuna!

I think Varuna is staying ahead of the hole.  Class leader Resolute is starting to slow, and could hand the lead over to Varuna.  Projected finish times at their current vmg has Varuna winning, but average vmg still has Resolute winning.

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Invisible Hand just finished.  7 days 1 hour and 20 minutes.  Impressive.  Very very impressive for a 52-ft non-canter.

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1 minute ago, Shu said:

Invisible Hand just finished.  7 days 1 hour and 20 minutes.  Impressive.  Very very impressive for a 52-ft non-canter.

forgive me for asking. i've been confused for a bit on the days. if they started on friday at 1:00pm california time and finished thursday...doesn't that put them at six days? this is for all boats that have been finished. why is it a day longer than actual days? again, forgive me, I clearly am missing something.

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1 minute ago, full circle said:

forgive me for asking. i've been confused for a bit on the days. if they started on friday at 1:00pm california time and finished thursday...doesn't that put them at six days? this is for all boats that have been finished. why is it a day longer than actual days? again, forgive me, I clearly am missing something.

Yes.  Duh.  Stupid math mistake on my part.  Even more impressive!

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9 minutes ago, Shu said:

Yes.  Duh.  Stupid math mistake on my part.  Even more impressive!

no, i'm sure you are correct. same with comanche. scored as 5 days but finished on the eleventh. wouldn't it be a four day run?

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5 minutes ago, J.A.G. said:

ha ha ha!  The last start was Thursday, the 6th.

oh shit! I was thinking it was friday. man, I give up...

thanks j.a.g.

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Time for a beer !!

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1 hour ago, J.A.G. said:

ha ha ha!  The last start was Thursday, the 6th.

I uh... yeah, I knew that all along... Today is Thursday right? Sheesh.  Anyway, the Pac52 class seems to have hit what the TP 52 class was originally shooting for.  Good for them!

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Respect, from a midwest sailor, for any long distance, offshore, sailor.

Chicago-Mac is about all I can take at one stretch...

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9 hours ago, Thisnametaken said:

Is it that Comanche has a powered canting keel and RIO doesn't?  Comanche's sail handling systems are all human powered I believe

Weird. Comanche is man powered with a hydro keel. Rio is powered winches with a fixed keel. 

 

Maybe time to rethink things?

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9 hours ago, ~HHN92~ said:

Rio is the Barn Door winner for the first monohull to finish that is not power assisted. Comanche gets the first monohull of any type finish, and Mighty Merloe gets the multihull trophy. This was broken out a number of years ago once more than traditional monohull's started racing.

Rio is not power assisted?? Without pedestals that is a lot of top handling....

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4 minutes ago, J/120 said:

Weird. Comanche is man powered with a hydro keel. Rio is powered winches with a fixed keel. 

 

Maybe time to rethink things?

Agreed.  I recall reading when Comanche was launched that they specifically did not include powered sail handling systems in order to qualify for various world records without the asterisk.  She should get the Barn Door

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The Big Injun can switch between powered winches and not I think.

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8 minutes ago, DtM said:

The Big Injun can switch between powered winches and not I think.

Not true.  http://www.boatinternational.com/yachts/editorial-features/comanche-the-31-5m-sailing-superyacht-built-to-win--2063

"When Jim Clark decided on a supermaxi, his plan was to go for line honours rather than wins on corrected time, and speed/distance records that could be set for yachts with human powered winches. “I don’t want any of that record stuff with an asterisk that says push-button winches,” Jim Clark scoffs."

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41 minutes ago, Thisnametaken said:

What is up with Mr. Bill?

Averaging out Medusa...

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2 hours ago, DtM said:

The Big Injun can switch between powered winches and not I think.

And man powered through the channel. 

 

What is your point?

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Comanche has a single hydraulically powered winch strategically located for use with most lines. The remaining winches are pedestal powered.

On a race like Transpac, there's no differentiation between powered winches and powered canting keel, neither is eligible for the Door.

As a result, I would expect Comanche had a fuel weight strategy and that engine use was moderate, but when the thing was running, the powered winch was in use.

 

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3 minutes ago, Moonduster said:

Comanche has a single hydraulically powered winch strategically located for use with most lines. The remaining winches are pedestal powered.

On a race like Transpac, there's no differentiation between powered winches and powered canting keel, neither is eligible for the Door.

As a result, I would expect Comanche had a fuel weight strategy and that engine use was moderate, but when the thing was running, the powered winch was in use.

 

 

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Not so fast grasshopper ... from here:

"Not having a canting keel or water ballasts along with its all manpowered winches make Rio 100 the only 100′ boat in the world to qualify for the prestigious Barn Door trophy of Transpac."

 

 

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And from here ...

HONOLULU, HI – In the pre-dawn hours this morning, Manouch Moshayedi’s Bakewell-White-designed Rio 100 crossed the finish line at Diamond Head to be the first-to-finish monohull without powered assistance, and thereby winner of the historic Barn Door Trophy in the 2017 Transpac.

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And from the NOR ...

Monohull yachts not having RRS 51 or 52 waivers will be eligible for the Barn Door Trophy, all others will be eligible for the Merlin Trophy.

Rule 51 is about moveable ballast

Rule 52 is about powered standing rigging, running rigging, appendages and spars

Any other questions?

 

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10 hours ago, ExOmo said:

Averaging out Medusa...

For every Ying there is a Yanker.

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Anyone look at the Pac52 vs 2009 winner Samba Pa Ti? Samba would have been only a few hours behind on elapsed time but would have corrected out over a day ahead.

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Medusa didn't need a motor to gybe!

I think the boats are put in the 100mile tracker page manually right before they hit the 100 mile limit. I made the same mistake with Loereal up thread a bit.

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Yeah, the same thing happened with Resolute.  Heading 0-degrees, speed 0 kts.  They are not updating the leaderboard today.  Last update for boats showing up on the live tracker was 4 hours ago.

 

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The SC 52's & 50's are coming-in at a regular pace now, several miles separating each boat. Watched one come through the Diamond Head cam a while ago and another due to come by in a few minutes.

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For boats still on the course, my concern with the hurricane churning south and heading WNW?

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1 hour ago, frostbit said:

For boats still on the course, my concern with the hurricane churning south and heading WNW?

Too far away to get there before they finish.

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I think we need a shout out for Varuna (opusone here on the forum) 1st in class and 2nd overall, great job!

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Does the fuel that Medusa took from Azure count as outside assistance? It doesn't matter for the results, I'm just curious.

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1 hour ago, Mudsailor said:

I think we need a shout out for Varuna (opusone here on the forum) 1st in class and 2nd overall, great job!

+1. Awesome job Opus.  You were one of the boats I was tracking through out the race.  Great battle and fantastic come back!

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What's the John Dory on Weddel?

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Bedford is on board so I expect I will be hearing something shortly after they finish today.

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23 hours ago, NoStrings said:

Does the fuel that Medusa took from Azure count as outside assistance? It doesn't matter for the results, I'm just curious.

Yes

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Weddell finally finishes.  To bad they missed the parities!

 

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On 7/13/2017 at 9:28 AM, HypnoToad said:

Never read the Rimas thread, eh?

No.  Who, what, where is it about?

 

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3 minutes ago, Thisbe_8Can9 said:

Weddell finally finishes.  To bad they missed the parities!

 

?????. Parties start Wednesday.

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20 minutes ago, Thisbe_8Can9 said:

No.  Who, what, where is it about?

 

Wayward Russian fellow. Protagonist in the "SJ24 Round the World" thread. Proclaimed he was heading to Alaska and immediately set off from Hilo, Hawaii due south. Apparently Alaska is Pago Pago in Russian.

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22 hours ago, Thisbe_8Can9 said:

Weddell finally finishes.  To bad they missed the parities!

 

The latest is they ripped across the main a couple of days out, spent 36 hours patching it back together, then it let go again before the finish. I will have to speak to Kuli when he gets home.

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On 7/1/2017 at 10:10 AM, Dude said:

Here are our guestimates, bummed that Sweet Okole isn't racing this Transpac.

Division 0: Agree.
Division 0A/Multihull: Kastor Pollux, a slam dunk
Division 1: It'll be a match between Comanche and Rio100, and I wouldn't discount the Canadian entry, Kinetic V.
Division 2: Grand Illusion and Pyewacket, only because they're the WaikikiYC entries.
Division 3: Undecided.
Division 4: Oaxaca. Well, because Dee Caffari's helming.

I would place my bet's on:

 

Division 0:  Pass 

Division1: Comanche: Difficult to bet against Honey and one of the biggest badest boats on the planet.

Division 2: Have to go with the Mouse and their boat speed, very difficult to bet against O'Brien and the GI team.

Division 3: Always difficult to beat a J 125, Fuller runs a well prepared boat they are going to have to catch Varuna? It will be close, Resolute for the win, both boats will do well overall

Division 4: I view this fleet in aah, ten similar boats, you can almost call it the last of corinthian class/one design ocean racing? For all the 40 + year old armchair racers this year with the dream, in what other class can you have real food, with a real head and a dry bunk? Then add the exhilaration of "Fast is Fun", aboard Horizon in this years Coastal Cup we hit a new boat speed recorded of 28.8 knots. Why would you not want to join this class?

It would bring us the wrong JuJu if I was to bet on this class, I might point out we did have a substantial delta on the rest of our fleet in this years Coastal Cup. To the other competitors in our class, enjoy the moment this is going to be a memorable race.

Division 5: I am going to have to go with Locomotive, they have been on the race course this year and will have to assume they are the best prepared.

Division 6: I do have any information on this fleet, although always difficult to bet against a Hobie 33

Division 7: How to you bet against Pearlman, 7th Trans Pac, good crew and well prepared. They will have to sail fewer miles than the Cal 40's.

 

Lets hope for wind!

Looks like my picks where at best 50/50?

Div. 1  Do ratings count in this Div?

Div 2. Mouse won, GI might have done better with more breeze at the end.

Div 3. I missed the winner, although not far off target

Div 4. I love it when a plan comes together.

Div 5. This was obvious from the start.

Div 6. Difficult to beat a Hobie 33.

Div 7. My second picks took it, with the Cal 40's.

Thats four out of seven divisions, with my back ups staying close.

 

Observation: Top four overall winners were sailed very well, there we also planning boats. Should the next Trans Pac place the planning boats into their own division, with their own overall? 

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11 hours ago, Dude said:

Observation: Top four overall winners were sailed very well, there we also planning boats. Should the next Trans Pac place the planning boats into their own division, with their own overall? 

IMHO. Time to jump on to the bandwagon.  Although I think planing is better than planning, but that's just me!

Would be interesting to see a growth in the PAC 52 class from the 70's owners.  All sorts of events could be revived in SoCal with this class.

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22 hours ago, Hitchhiker said:

IMHO. Time to jump on to the bandwagon.  Although I think planing is better than planning, but that's just me!

Would be interesting to see a growth in the PAC 52 class from the 70's owners.  All sorts of events could be revived in SoCal with this class.

Hitch, Would the results have changed much if the rating were based on "Time/Distance"?

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