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“All D-Fantastica Finns are measured with optimum center of gravity, gyration and are to minimum weight as specified by the Finn Class rules,” says Cobb. “Every Devoti Fantastica Finn is different, in that they are built to the sailor’s preference and tailored to suit them as individuals.”

 

Hmm, this doesn't sound cheap

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Saw a fair bit of 48er Olympic action here in Aus. Exciting and colourful racing, ideal TV fodder but we sailors make up such a tiny proportion of the viewing audience and non sailors don't get it, so dont watch it.

 

IOC has continually told ISAF / World Sailing to make it new and exciting and they keep dishing up the same old boring as bat-shit options.

 

My view:

 

Foiling Nacra 20, mixed crew

49er for the blokes/dudes

49er-FX for the chicky babes

One design foiling Moth - M & F

Kites - M & F

 

Nothing else, zero, nada, fuck all, nothing else matters. Keel boat options way too expensive... and way too slow and dull for OlymTV

 

My list meets with IOC demand for excitement, colour and movement while it significantly reduces competing classes and costs.

Reduces competitor numbers in line with IOC preference but evens up the male female ratio, also an IOC preference.

Those classes are cool to watch in action and sailors really like sailing them.

 

My $0.02 worth

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Although I like fleet racing, I also think slalom or a distance race would be cool as an additional event for the faster boats. For the slower maybe match racing. The boats are already there, why not have a bit of variation

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I say drop sailing from the Olympics all together. Let the classes manage themselves without the influence of IOC rules. Nothing ruins a one design class like getting selected as an Olympic class. IMHO ;)

my thoughts as well

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Some ideas from Mark Turner:

 

"B. Add a class/event that is made for Television and demostrates the incredible teamwork aspect of sailing – 4 person catamaran, foiling, stadium sailing mode – 2 or 3 men and 2 women on a GC32/M32/Extreme30/Diam24 type boat. TV will love it....."

 

"C. Add Offshore sailing in keelboats (real ones), in single-handed mode, mixed (ie no need to have male and female, in this format its about as equal footing as it gets) – am certain Beneteau would invest with the next Figaro 3 32ish foot boat if it could be the boat as an example (and owners would offer up their boats to their national hopefuls) –..."

 

http://www.sailweb.co.uk/olympic/27424/mark-turner-and-how-to-sort-out-the-dinghyolympic-sailing-world

 

Edit: this was apparently meant for an ISAF meeting in 2013.

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Offshore would be pretty cool (assuming one-design, of course). Start the morning after the opening ceremony, and set a course that should take a week to finish. Put some turning marks in close to various ports of interest. Maybe that happen to also have nearby satellite venues for other sports (like soccer), so that you can try to drive up some interest in spectators and/or TV for those roundings. Put onboard media on each boat so you can package some coverage together with good stuff like breakage and knockdowns, etc.

 

I think there has been a void in the international sailing world for global interest involving national pride and competition ever since the America's Cup stopped having the crews all be from the country they were representing. I'd love to be able to root for a US boat, carrying a team of US sailors, against teams representing other countries on their boats, in a competition of global interest. America's Cup used to do that, and something like a big offshore Olympic race could too. So much better than rooting for whichever boat's billionaire owner happens to be American.

 

Expensive and not going to happen, but would love to see it.

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Offshore would be pretty cool (assuming one-design, of course). Start the morning after the opening ceremony, and set a course that should take a week to finish. Put some turning marks in close to various ports of interest. Maybe that happen to also have nearby satellite venues for other sports (like soccer), so that you can try to drive up some interest in spectators and/or TV for those roundings. Put onboard media on each boat so you can package some coverage together with good stuff like breakage and knockdowns, etc.

 

I think there has been a void in the international sailing world for global interest involving national pride and competition ever since the America's Cup stopped having the crews all be from the country they were representing. I'd love to be able to root for a US boat, carrying a team of US sailors, against teams representing other countries on their boats, in a competition of global interest. America's Cup used to do that, and something like a big offshore Olympic race could too. So much better than rooting for whichever boat's billionaire owner happens to be American.

 

Expensive and not going to happen, but would love to see it.

Surely it's nice to see someone think outside the box, although the ideas seem unrealistic right now. The French would probably be quite happy with an offshore event

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I think there has been a void in the international sailing world for global interest involving national pride and competition ever since the America's Cup stopped having the crews all be from the country they were representing.

Only if your definition of global is "tiny handful of countries selected not by sailing talent but by whether they happen to have a handy obsessed billionaire."

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Offshore sure looks cool for us minority of sailors but if they went that route they could also add mountaineering, aerobatics, and wood carving. It's just not Olympic.... Don't know if sailing as it is now is, actually.

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Forget sailing - introduce Olympic versions of American Ninja Warrior, Cross Fit Games and the World Strongman contest- made for TV, easy for anyone to understand.....and there's a first past the post/fastest time WINNER! (no subjective scoring!)

It'd rate higher than the vast majority of current olympic sports with the audiences and doesn't require expensive specialist equipment or facilities.

Sport climbing is just the beginning....

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mountaineering

Sport climbing is in for Tokyo 2020.

 

 

Sport climbing is nothing very much to do with mountaineering. Don't get mountaineers started on that subject. Climbers btw are far from universally ecstatic to see any form of climbing in the 5 ring circus though the UK governing body was keen.

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All D-Fantastica Finns are measured with optimum center of gravity, gyration and are to minimum weight as specified by the Finn Class rules, says Cobb. Every Devoti Fantastica Finn is different, in that they are built to the sailors preference and tailored to suit them as individuals.

 

Hmm, this doesn't sound cheap

Uhhhhhh, no

 

The good news is, you can have 99.99999% of the fun in a used boat at 25% of the price

 

2017 Nationals at Encinal YC in beautiful Alameds

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An update to Mark Turner's thoughts:

 

https://markturner888.wordpress.com/2016/09/23/olympic-sailingwhat-to-do/

 

Someone asked me recently to share the presentation or ideas I’d worked on back in 2013 for Carlo Croce and ISAF (now World Sailing), on how to develop the dinghy/Olympic sailing world to take it up a level. No idea if my ideas would really work or not…but I thought I’d share the presentation that I worked an all-nighter on after a week of listening to all the MNA’s, Classes and sailors at the Muscat, Oman ISAF Conference, November 2013. It was a toned down version of what I wanted to propose already, as everyone was too scared of change it seemed. But I never gave the presentation, as just half an hour before I was due to speak, the ISAF Executive Committee for a reason I was never given directly or openly, decided to pull me. I was still on the big projecter screen Agenda even when the session started! It was voluntary work that week and the preceding 6 months, during a very busy period at OC, but I felt it was my duty to help if I could…and I wasn’t proposing any business for OC Sport, just honouring a promise I made to Carlo that I’d help him try to take things forward if he became President of sailing’s ‘governing’ body…indeed the risks were super high to invest in rescuing the Sailing World Cup concept that was (and is still) struggling to exist at a high enough level. Anyway, am going to publish the presentation that never saw the light of day, with my speaker notes – no time at present to make it look pretty…but here it is.

And here is my one minute suggestion, if anyone cares, about what could be the game-changer for sailing in the Olympics (and maybe with a big positive impact on the whole sport). Not enough time in my busy Volvo Ocean Race days to write a long piece explaining all my thinking and logic, and of course there are always hurdles to overcome with positive change, but I have to say my ideas haven’t changed much in two years so I guess I”m pretty keen still on this direction. And I see some of those ideas are starting to be talked about too. All good news, there is hope! So combine boosting World Cup properly (and make it count to get Olympic slots), and change the Olympic classes to the following for 2020, its not too late…my Lausanne neighbour and occasional acquintance Mr Dubi at the IOC I am sure will agree with a chunk of this…

I will take breakfast with Andy Hunt CEO of World Sailing on Monday morning to talk about the important partnership with have with them with Volvo Ocean Race, so I”m sure we can discuss more Andy over coffee And of course the elections for a new Executive Committee (the CEO is appointed, the powerful it seems from experience Exec Committee elected by national bodies – as is the President) at World Sailing are in November coming up…so I thought it was maybe a good moment to through in my views for what they are worth. I”ve no axe to grind, and no vote to place, and equally make no judgement on Carlo’s rein – he certainly has had the right ambition – but mayne not been backed up by a progressive enough Exec. I hope that whoever gets voted in, along with the support of the existing CEO and his new team which seem to be sensible chaps, can actually make some significant change work for the first time…So…in brief my Olympic proposal, viewed from a much wider place in sailing than dinghy sailing – traditionally the slice of sailing that the Olympics has covered (from a much much wider sport) –

a. Keep the Laser for men and Laser Radial for women. Deals with accessibility to the sport on global low cost basis.
Then stop worrying about that point, and blow the world away with what this amazing sport has to offer…
b. Add a class/event that is made for Television and ddemonstratesthe incredible teamwork aspect of sailing – 4 person catamaran, foiling, stadium sailing mode – 2 or 3 men and 2 women on a GC32/M32/Extreme30/Diam24 type boat. TV will love it. Fleet racing, ESS style, 8 races a day, 3 days, winner at the end. Lots of races, as we learnt with ESS (but others haven’t), means that Stadium format or fluky winds aren’t an issue because you do enough races that the best always come to the top – doesn’t work if you do just 3 or 4 races. No need to reinvent, just use all the learnings of 10 years of Extreme Sailing Series. TEAMWORK at the fore. Mixed/diversity, can’t beat it. Provided as One Design, using an existing circuit boat, this does not blow budgets away, it marries the pro-circuits with the Olympics (which is professional as we all know these days in virtually all other sports), and uses the funds in those other parts of sailing. By adding an event that is made for TV, it also takes the pressure of some of the other classes in terms of trying to fit their product and format preference (e.g. longer courses, further offshore, few races in better wind, etc).
c. Add Offshore sailing in keelboats (real ones), in single-handed mode, mixed (ie no need to have male and female, in this format its about as equal footing as it gets) – am certain Beneteau would invest with the next Figaro 3 32ish foot boat if it could be the boat as an example (and owners would offer up their boats to their national hopefuls) – 400 mile offshore, 24/7 action for 3 days like no other sport can do, works across timezones, live feeds and audio, tracking, we all know how to bring this alive. Its the10km swim for sailing, the marathon, but soooo much better for TV- and tests the ultimate skills. Could consider a 2 or 4 up version, but think its getting us in to number of athlete problems…which are limited. Also great for host country – TV images along their coastline…like no other sport can do. And its a breeding ground and stepping stone for these sailors to go on to the sport’s pinnacle pro events like the Volvo.
d. Maybe keep the 49er/29er as performance monohull…the step up from the Laser.
e. I guess keep Windsurfing or Kitesurfing, I’m not qualified to speak too much about them.

And we’re done. TV happy and public wow’ed by both Stadium sailing and the toughness of offshore, best diversity platform in Olympic sport (mixed events), preserves accessibility for all nations to the Olympics, showcases our great values of teamwork, creates heroes, creates pathways in and out (ie pre- and post- Olympics) for the athletes.

All together we get to show the spectrum of the sport, gives World Sailing some kind of new and currently non-existing legitmacy for first time across the whole sport rather than just the dinghy world, and links non-Olympic pros and the Olympic pros circuits and funding models (very importantly for all the athletes).

OK, no time edit, check, consider…voila my off the cuff thoughts!
Enjoy, disagree, ignore, I’m not fussed…just needed to get it out of my brain to free some space on the very full hard drive!

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Trying to get sailing on TV has ruined sailing on TV.

 

When was the last time you saw a whole race including some of the pre-start? All we get is shitty highlights and graphics, and commentators trying to dumb everything down for people that aren't even watching because last time they did - the wind wasn't right and the whole thing got scrubbed!

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"When was the last time you saw a whole race including some of the pre-start?"

 

Plenty of that on the BBC red-button from Rio and some well-informed co-commentary from a former sailing medallist.

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2020 Olympic classes confirmed as unchanged:

 

http://www.sailing.org/news/41219.php#.WCSeNi2LTIV

 

The President, Carlo Croce, with the support of all Board members, has decided, following his most recent communications with the IOC, that he, as President, shall not propose an alternative Olympic slate to Council in February 2017. This means that World Sailing would propose the existing 10 Events and Equipment for the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Sailing Competition.

 

In addition, World Sailing will continue to pursue the possibility of an 11th Medal in 2020 with the IOC on the basis that the total number of athletes remains at 380. Furthermore, World Sailing is also exploring the possibility of a showcase sailing event in Tokyo which if agreed would be over and above the existing athlete quota. The Board believes this strategy best protects existing investments and programmes, whilst enabling World Sailing to demonstrate innovation to the IOC.

The Board will continue to support changes in format and fleet sizes to best meet the objectives of the IOC's Agenda 2020. These decisions will be made in accordance with normal World Sailing processes.

Regarding gender equity, the IOC has confirmed that gender equity in 2020 may be assessed at a "sport level" (i.e. on the basis of total number of athletes in each sport). Hence World Sailing can meet IOC's gender equity requirements in 2020 with appropriate fleet quota changes, within sailing's current 10 Events and can seek to achieve gender equity at an event level by 2024.

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"When was the last time you saw a whole race including some of the pre-start?"

 

Plenty of that on the BBC red-button from Rio and some well-informed co-commentary from a former sailing medallist.

Well that's UK...

 

But the best ever pre-start coverage, the most in-depth, perceptive coverage of the pre-start, was by an Irish commentator. You know the video. You can find it on youtube :-)

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2020 Olympic classes confirmed as unchanged:

 

http://www.sailing.org/news/41219.php#.WCSeNi2LTIV

 

...

The Board will continue to support changes in format and fleet sizes to best meet the objectives of the IOC's Agenda 2020. These decisions will be made in accordance with normal World Sailing processes.

 

Regarding gender equity, the IOC has confirmed that gender equity in 2020 may be assessed at a "sport level" (i.e. on the basis of total number of athletes in each sport). Hence World Sailing can meet IOC's gender equity requirements in 2020 with appropriate fleet quota changes, within sailing's current 10 Events and can seek to achieve gender equity at an event level by 2024.

 

 

So regarding the gender equity goal.

These are the numbers from Rio:

 

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There is an imbalance of 54. Should be interesting to see how it'll all going to play out.

 

This might also lay the groundwork for the removal of some of the more established classes to meet their 2024 goal.

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There is an imbalance

 

 

Yep, major imbalance, it's the fact that the general population could give a shit about sailing.

 

It's time sailing got back to it's roots..................the community not TV

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There is an imbalance

 

 

Yep, major imbalance, it's the fact that the general population could give a shit about sailing.

 

It's time sailing got back to it's roots..................the community not TV

 

The WS/IOC and community initatives are not mutually exclusive.

Having sailing in the olympics isn't a negative.

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There is an imbalance

 

 

Yep, major imbalance, it's the fact that the general population could give a shit about sailing.

 

It's time sailing got back to it's roots..................the community not TV

 

The WS/IOC and community initatives are not mutually exclusive.

Having sailing in the olympics isn't a negative.

 

 

It's a major negative when all the sport's funding is channeled into a few individuals....at the cost of other developments for the sport.

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There is an imbalance

 

 

Yep, major imbalance, it's the fact that the general population could give a shit about sailing.

 

It's time sailing got back to it's roots..................the community not TV

 

The WS/IOC and community initatives are not mutually exclusive.

Having sailing in the olympics isn't a negative.

 

 

It's a major negative when all the sport's funding is channeled into a few individuals....at the cost of other developments for the sport.

 

 

Loss of status would also drastically cut funding to MNAs, provincial sailing associations and athletes due to the loss of government grants currently keeping them afloat.

Then again, I don't know how things are in the US and elsewhere.

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If sailing stays in the Olympics beyond 2020 they should use the Star Sailors League format.
That is how many Track and Field events work. It should be the best in the world trying to qualify for the finals, not just one from each country.

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If sailing stays in the Olympics beyond 2020 they should use the Star Sailors League format.

That is how many Track and Field events work. It should be the best in the world trying to qualify for the finals, not just one from each country.

You think the Olympics is some sort of athletic competition.

 

It's not.

 

It's about selling advertising. Hence, the need for more countries/markets.

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Never mind the politics that get involved and the fact that it's marketed as a country against country event (whether or not it was meant to be originally is a moot point). If a country gets multiple boats in the same event, what stops them from team racing their way to multiple podium places?

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There is an imbalance

 

 

Yep, major imbalance, it's the fact that the general population could give a shit about sailing.

 

It's time sailing got back to it's roots..................the community not TV

 

The WS/IOC and community initatives are not mutually exclusive.

Having sailing in the olympics isn't a negative.

 

 

It's a major negative when all the sport's funding is channeled into a few individuals....at the cost of other developments for the sport.

 

 

Loss of status would also drastically cut funding to MNAs, provincial sailing associations and athletes due to the loss of government grants currently keeping them afloat.

Then again, I don't know how things are in the US and elsewhere.

 

 

Cuts to funding of MNA's etc would have zero negative impact on club, state & national sailing.....that's my point. Funding by Lympix orgs and associated govt top ups does very, very little to support grass roots....in fact it has resulted in a ballooning of high paid MNA admin that demands money from club sailors via their MNA contributions piggybacked onto their club dues...driving up the cost of grass roots participation. I'd like to see a "satisfaction" survey from all affiliated club members regarding the services Sailing Australia provides....and that's never gunna happen 'cos the answer would be embarrassing.

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Kudos to all the sailors finally stepping up and decrying the medal race foolishness

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Kudos to all the sailors finally stepping up and decrying the medal race foolishness

Medal race is absurd

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Kudos to all the sailors finally stepping up and decrying the medal race foolishness

Medal race is absurd

 

 

Yea, fuck medal races! ...And fucking fuck pumping!

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Melbourne World Sailing Cup - So this is the last gasp of the SWC in Australia...and the Southern Hemisphere.

Booted from SYC, now run literally off the beach, despite paying some sailors to attend and putting up $200k (?) in prize money, the event has so little appeal that the biggest fleet is the Kite Boards, boasting 23! Next largest is Mens Laser @ 20 entries.......two classes, Womens 470 and FX, couldn't crack double digits....and the rest, well..you can figure it out.

There's roughly a 50/50 split between AUS and internationals, possibly boosted by SW funding.

No AUS entries in the RS-X Men, only 3 in the women....

Tell us again how lymix funding is a great investment in our sport....and what a great job WS does in promoting it.

With some luck & hard work, Sail Melbourne might just rise again and deliver real sailing for all sailors - nationals & worlds hosted by a range of clubs around PPB.

If it does, it'll be because of the dedication and hard work of the few. WS will have moved on....thankfully.

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