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      A Few Simple Rules   05/22/2017

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Norse Horse

2017 Race to Alaska

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3 hours ago, Rob Zabukovec said:

I make it around 55 Nm to finish.

thanks.  Just incredible effort and I hate SUP'ers!  Really incredible.  

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At 2100 hrs, race time, HOG is taking a well earned rest and is around 41 Nm from the finish. One last open stretch to cross to Duke Island and the inside bend to the finish.

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Fingers crossed...

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Re Freya being solo, nor did I.... And losing your anchor is a bummer.... I wonder how he parked last night? It looks like he is still resting, meanwhile HOG is on the move. With a bit of luck, he might finish this evening.....

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I was wondering the same myself. No contact from him since yesterday morning. Either he found some trees he could run bow and stern lines to, or asked a pleasure boater if they were willing to lend or sell a spare anchor and rode.

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At 1430hrs, HOG has around14 Nm to go....... Go HOG.

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4 minutes ago, Rob Zabukovec said:

At 1430hrs, HOG has around14 Nm to go....... Go HOG.

Jess and Dagny, Karl's wife and daughter, are on the dock, sure she will post some finish shots.

 

Go Karl!!!

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6 hours ago, boomer said:

I was wondering the same myself. No contact from him since yesterday morning. Either he found some trees he could run bow and stern lines to, or asked a pleasure boater if they were willing to lend or sell a spare anchor and rode.

If you turn the satellite imagery on and zoom right into where Freya parked last night, you can see he drifted around a lot.... May be he improvised an anchor with a rock or something and dragged around a lot?

in 2015, Roger Mann tied up to kelp on the last night.

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Can HOG make it a race to the finish line with Phocoena?  Very rough distances & speeds suggest HOG potentially finishing within about 15 minutes, all else being equal?  But latest graphic update has Phocoena sailing tacking angles which will make a difference too.....

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Posted (edited)

Looks like they have some breeze from behind. HOG is up to 4 knots, Phocoena is now straight lining at 5.7 knots... Not long now....

And Freya is doing 7.3 knots....

Edited by Rob Zabukovec

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Heart of Gold just finished about ten minutes after Phocoena. Good coverage on Facebook live. What an achievement. He said he had a lot of trouble in the two channels which it looks like the other paddlers in there now are also having. But the last two days have been super strong. Amazing. 

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Yay!

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Well done Heart of Gold!!!

Karl the superman, finishing as strongly as he started.

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Outstanding, Heart of Gold...so, about those green pellets...:D

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1 minute ago, Norse Horse said:

Outstanding, Heart of Gold...so, about those green pellets...:D

Obviously not kryptonite!!.... Do they glow in the dark????

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Hats off Karl Kruger. Jolly good show!

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I hope Freya knows where he is headed doing 5.5 knots and isn't asleep: Danger Passage and Grave Point!!!

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Mark is doing fine and won't be sleeping - as well as charted up with two GPSs and backups.

With his girlfriend waiting in Ketchikan, there'll be no stopping him now.

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Mark's girlfriend is only 12 Nm away now........

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Still plugging along all night long and against the tide since 0240hrs  - What a sailor will do, when he's lost his only anchor and his lady awaits in port.

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51 minutes ago, boomer said:

Still plugging along all night long and against the tide since 0240hrs  - What a sailor will do, when he's lost his only anchor and his lady awaits in port.

That may be the most lyrically poetic post ever made on SA.  But inevitably, it might turn to sensitive faux pirate argot!

 Aaaaargh, laddie.  Fair winds and steady human power to ye.  And may ye na' find your AA's, aye, dead in the bilge.  Power power everywhere (like on Cruise Ships :) ) and not a watt at sea.....

all hail the R2AK, those who sail her, and the lovers and family that wait!

and dwell on the race Tracker....

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11 hours ago, Rob Zabukovec said:

Well done Heart of Gold!!!

Karl the superman, finishing as strongly as he started.

His comments about his Bark were a bit double edged.  

Not so good in 2-4' chop?  This will make for good advertising copy.  But it was a magic carpet ride! Reality is a bitch.  I hope it leads to design progress.  Bark seems to be a class act- we'll find out-

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12 minutes ago, Amati said:

His comments about his Bark were a bit double edged.  

Not so good in 2-4' chop?  This will make for good advertising copy.  But it was a magic carpet ride! Reality is a bitch.  I hope it leads to design progress.  Bark seems to be a class act- we'll find out-

I doubt they would make design changes based on this.     Given the weight it was carrying and the length.   Wasn't it 19'?    Are racing SUPs ever that long?

No boat or SUP I've ever been on handled well in 2-4' slop/chop.

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Since it is now proven fact that the load carrying capability of a paddle board is sufficient for this trip, I wait for the first attempt to do a combined paddle board/ kite surf approach on this event. It just seems stupid to fight against nature when you can use its power to reach your targets.

I don't know about the upwind capabilities of kite boards but this year conditions had sufficient downwind sailing to start thinking about means to combine the convenient low draft of a board (to cope with submersed logs and adverse current) with a kind of sail that can use a favourable wind but is not in the way of human propulsion when not in use.

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1 hour ago, seajay said:

I doubt they would make design changes based on this.     Given the weight it was carrying and the length.   Wasn't it 19'?    Are racing SUPs ever that long?

No boat or SUP I've ever been on handled well in 2-4' slop/chop.

2-4' slop/chop is a common condition Puget Sound and north.  As for boats that handle, Tasers, for example, handle it well-  not an SUP, but a boat, at least.  Deep V'd SUP's?  Some D2's were heading towards this design route- CRIT 650, Alpha D2 (I think it was called), and the Davidsson, were all good in a chop, and I think something to look at, since D1 and D2 boards were part of the design wellspring for SUP's.

I've seen pics of some really long unlimited SUP's, and prone unlimited paddle boards have been built close to 20'.  Surfskis can do ok in a chop too, but that may be a different kettle of fish.  

Sitting with a tractor kite might work for the R2ak?  

 

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30 minutes ago, Amati said:

2-4' slop/chop is a common condition Puget Sound and north.  As for boats that handle, Tasers, for example, handle it well-  not an SUP, but a boat, at least.  Deep V'd SUP's?  Some D2's were heading towards this design route- CRIT 650, Alpha D2 (I think it was called), and the Davidsson, were all good in a chop, and I think something to look at, since D1 and D2 boards were part of the design wellspring for SUP's.

I've seen pics of some really long unlimited SUP's, and prone unlimited paddle boards have been built close to 20'.  Surfskis can do ok in a chop too, but that may be a different kettle of fish.  

Sitting with a tractor kite might work for the R2ak?  

 

I have the perfect platform to win with a kite,peddle, rowing configuration, 25X14 Morrelli/ Melvin little America's Cup catamaran, all carbon, light, Phrf -65, extremely stable.getPart-75.thumb.jpeg.04aaa69af336cc27d99b84ba57ecb015.jpeg

I am too old for this one, Stephen r2akteamgoldenoldies   multihuler@aol.com 

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2 minutes ago, multihuler said:

I have the perfect platform to win with a kite,peddle, rowing configuration, 25X14 Morrelli/ Melvin little America's Cup catamaran, all carbon, light, Phrf -65, extremely stable.getPart-75.thumb.jpeg.04aaa69af336cc27d99b84ba57ecb015.jpeg

I am too old for this one, Stephen r2akteamgoldenoldies   multihuler@aol.com 

Me too.<_<

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It takes a different breed of cat to paddle a board that distance with those kinds of conditions. What many don't understand is the conditions, right down there on the water, especially when you have wind opposing currents. 

Back in the day, when the NW from WA to AK, had the Mosquito Fleet for both passenger and freight. Seafaring sailors who had families, took a try in the Mosquito fleet, to stay closer to home. More then a few seamen, mates and captains chose to go back to sea - because these inside tidal waters can really wear on the crew. Those who've sailed these waters year round, no matter the weather, can understand, why those sailors made the choice to go back to sea.

I think a custom longboard windsurfer would do the trick, with two reefable sails a 4.5-6.5 sq m and a 6.5-9.0 sq m. Simply adjust the harness lines and sit in a seat harness, with fingertip control. Wind dies, just pump the sail to the nearest beach, have a bite to eat, perhaps even stay for a nap. Wind comes up again, take off.

However, I'm to old for that and prefer a bit more comfort and real meals.

 

 

 

 

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Karl was pretty clear in on Facebook Live when he finished that the problem with the 2'-4' chop was he had just a little too much weight to be able to catch good rides in the smaller stuff. He also suggested in the Bella Bella interview there was room to cut weight with more iterations and budget. He was also complaining about getting stopped going up with in the steep stuff. We think going to a 24" race board for example is better for cutting through waves than a 28", but you can't really sacrifice too much stability for a long journey. In fact you recall Karl had to abandon after a couple of days last year because of knee issues stemming from the combination of stability and load on his Starboard, which was also a long board if I recall.

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Any news from Oaracle or Make it so? They seem to make no attempt to leave Bella Bella... .

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1 hour ago, Foiling Optimist said:

Karl was pretty clear in on Facebook Live when he finished that the problem with the 2'-4' chop was he had just a little too much weight to be able to catch good rides in the smaller stuff. He also suggested in the Bella Bella interview there was room to cut weight with more iterations and budget. He was also complaining about getting stopped going up with in the steep stuff. We think going to a 24" race board for example is better for cutting through waves than a 28", but you can't really sacrifice too much stability for a long journey. In fact you recall Karl had to abandon after a couple of days last year because of knee issues stemming from the combination of stability and load on his Starboard, which was also a long board if I recall.

Was he on the board last race that had been shaped so it was asymmetrical longitudinally, so he had to paddle on one side to make up for the board constantly turning in one direction?

Are you from Bark?  (You said 'we'B)).  

If I remember my Crit 650, even with a flat bottom, and me being a fat boy back then, I would still get some rides on the small stuff in light airs, while the dinghy like bow cut through chop.  

I'm not dissing Bark boards- they are beautiful, and work spectacularly well in open ocean work.  Real works of shaping art.

 

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Ha Ha no I'm not from Bark. When I said we I mean Thursday night paddle race people who discuss boards, wind and tides over beer after battling the persistent westerly that won't die down before the 7pm race start!

I thought the board he had last year was a stock really long Starboard but I really don't know for sure. At the time he definitely said that the full load had compromised the stability of the board to an extent they hand't predicted so he was working harder to stay upright and that affected his knee or knees.

Meanwhile the surf skiers are like, "what wind?". Someone needs to do R2Ak on a touring surf ski of some sort. I'm a total amateur but the top surf ski guys are literally twice as fast as me when I'm one lap and they're on two laps of a 5km course in 15kts with a bit of wind against tide.

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Thread drift, but do you have a constructors open class?  Vancouver has usually had a pretty active light air d2 board experimental scene- it wouldn't be a stretch that some of them made a lateral into SUP's-

Anybody messing with outriggers?  ~ Triak?

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I haven't seen anything exotic in terms of SUPs or other paddle craft actually racing here. I'd fully support the first sit down kite sail+SUP combo to Alaska though.  It's very much the case that instability = speed so how fast do you want to go? We race with single and double paddler outriggers (OC-1 and 2), Surf Skis and SUPs in the same field and some people switch around between OC and Surf Ski. It's pretty clear the same high level paddler is always going to be a bit faster in a surf ski than an OC-1 in any of the sort of chop you get in English bay. I'm sure the OC is nicer in actual ocean waves but if you have the skill to paddle a surf ski you will be faster. Same with SUPs where the people winning can stay upright on 24"s even in difficult chop. I would love to see what it was like to paddle Karl's board. Some of the wave stories and speeds he reported were genuinely like surfing, not regular paddle boarding, let alone with a full touring set up.

Board aside and cheeseburgers aside you have to say that Karl's nutrition products were super impressive. Perhaps I haven't been paying attention and all sorts of mountaineers are doing this routinely, but performing at an elite output level for that long with such a low weight food supply is really something else.

Edit: If you google and find Heart of Gold's goFundMe page there's a picture of the Starboard from last year. It does look pretty stock.

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This video features the High school team from PT. There are some good clips from the Victoria gale and others that make you realize how exposed they were to the elements in an open boat.

They should be named for the Dirtbag Award, not for the cheapest ride, but for the fact they built it themselves, out of fooking aluminum not carbon, sewed the sails, had a huge race...and used leaded fishing line for sheets to save money.

 

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I found Oaracle's Blog in the depth of the WWW - seems they are all right and still planning to finish in their own rhythm!

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The Grim Reaper was supposed to leave June 25th.  I don't see it on the tracker and have only seen one vague reference to it on the daily reports.  Does anybody have more information?

The folks that left Bella Bella recently still have about 250 NM to go.  They seem to be averaging about 2 kts.  Two knots at 16 hours a day (this group all stop for the night) is 32 NM.  Eight days to go.  How fast does the Grim Reaper advance on his journey of termination?

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According to the race rules, "roughly 75 nautical miles a day". Not sure if they used the same ruler they used to measure the 750 mile race course (which is actually 625 nautical miles)...

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3 hours ago, andykane said:

According to the race rules, "roughly 75 nautical miles a day". Not sure if they used the same ruler they used to measure the 750 mile race course (which is actually 625 nautical miles)...

I think you have dyslexic fingers.... I make it 652 Nm.........

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A one hour interview with Karl. He talks about last years ride, climbing, accepting misery, his supplements diet, hitting fresh water up-welling in the salt chuck and crossing Dixon Entrance. https://r2ak.com/2017-daily-updates/2017-stage-2-day-17-heart-of-gold/

His green tablets. http://www.hammernutrition.com/perpetuem/

 

The aluminum sharpie story in the KTN News. http://www.ketchikandailynews.com/article/20170624/ARTICLE/170629958

Some good links on Searunner's fb page, R2AK andVanisle fleet mixup, Burd test in TakemetotheVolcano pedal boat, BB pedal video, Colin Angus singing on leg one.

Team Sea Runners - Race to Alaska | Facebook

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That is a great interview. Everyone should hear what Karl has to say about safety as a construct, starting about 52:20. When you think about and address all the failure modes in any situation, it can opens you up to pushing much harder with confidence. Which means all the thinking and planning about safety doesn't show you're a worry wart, it shows you're ready to go to the limit. Which I think is important here as when we engage in risky recreation with others, a debate around safety often arises.  But he articulates it much more powerfully than what I just said. 

Also interesting about the failure of the board last year, which leaked, giving tracking problems which led to single sided paddling which led to knee and hip issues. Which he didn't figure out until a while after the race. But they didn't address how this year he managed to not get tired from single sided paddling during the race. I think I said this before here but with the wind on the front or back quarter you paddle much more on one side and it gets really tiring. I wonder if he actually tacked, going into the wind and then bearing off to the desired direction. 

Great to see the five boats getting across Dixon Entrance today. Looks like there should be finishers tomorrow.

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Congrats Team Rush Aweigh! Strong work in the Monty! 

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21 hours ago, Norse Horse said:

A one hour interview with Karl. He talks about last years ride, climbing, accepting misery, his supplements diet, hitting fresh water up-welling in the salt chuck and crossing Dixon Entrance. https://r2ak.com/2017-daily-updates/2017-stage-2-day-17-heart-of-gold/

His green tablets. http://www.hammernutrition.com/perpetuem/

 

The aluminum sharpie story in the KTN News. http://www.ketchikandailynews.com/article/20170624/ARTICLE/170629958

Some good links on Searunner's fb page, R2AK andVanisle fleet mixup, Burd test in TakemetotheVolcano pedal boat, BB pedal video, Colin Angus singing on leg one.

Team Sea Runners - Race to Alaska | Facebook

Thanks Norse.

I lost interest in the interview about half way through recognising it was his, internal stuff.

So, I went back to it and learned.

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17 hours ago, Foiling Optimist said:

That is a great interview. Everyone should hear what Karl has to say about safety as a construct, starting about 52:20. When you think about and address all the failure modes in any situation, it can opens you up to pushing much harder with confidence. Which means all the thinking and planning about safety doesn't show you're a worry wart, it shows you're ready to go to the limit. Which I think is important here as when we engage in risky recreation with others, a debate around safety often arises.  But he articulates it much more powerfully than what I just said. 

Also interesting about the failure of the board last year, which leaked, giving tracking problems which led to single sided paddling which led to knee and hip issues. Which he didn't figure out until a while after the race. But they didn't address how this year he managed to not get tired from single sided paddling during the race. I think I said this before here but with the wind on the front or back quarter you paddle much more on one side and it gets really tiring. I wonder if he actually tacked, going into the wind and then bearing off to the desired direction. 

Great to see the five boats getting across Dixon Entrance today. Looks like there should be finishers tomorrow.

FO, I have you to truly thank for inspiring.

I went to 52:20 and that's where I really learned.

 

Cheers

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On 28/06/2017 at 10:28 AM, Shu said:

The Grim Reaper was supposed to leave June 25th.  I don't see it on the tracker and have only seen one vague reference to it on the daily reports.  Does anybody have more information?

The folks that left Bella Bella recently still have about 250 NM to go.  They seem to be averaging about 2 kts.  Two knots at 16 hours a day (this group all stop for the night) is 32 NM.  Eight days to go.  How fast does the Grim Reaper advance on his journey of termination?

It's Grim Sweeper...

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3 teams left after the canoe and the kayak come in tonight. They are in light wind. The rowing team is inside and making good time.

IDK the sweeper date, one mention in a podcast a couple back, might be 5 days left. No other google link.

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2 minutes ago, Norse Horse said:

3 teams left after the canoe and the kayak come in tonight. They are in light wind. The rowing team is inside and making good time.

IDK the sweeper date, one mention in a podcast a couple back, might be 5 days left. No other google link.

It will be interesting to see if the paddlers pull an all nighter to finish up. I don't think they've done one so far. It would make today a mighty long day.

It looks like all three of the final teams have stepped up the pace (somewhat) but all are nip-and-tuck with the Sweeper. Apparently the Sweeper is supposed to arrive in Ketchikan July 4th (although I have seen no time mentioned). This would make the maximum time 24 days (as compared to 29 from last year). The first year must have been longer too since the final team came in at just over 26 days.

Given how close the final three are to the limit it's perhaps going to need clarification (or perhaps, in keeping with the race, more obfuscation). Do we really know that the Sweeper exists? Anyone been in Ketchikan and seen it arrive in previous years? Nobody has been swept yet.

It's the race that keeps on serving up entertainment. :)

cheers, Andrew

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25 minutes ago, Norse Horse said:

You are right, July 4.

It is in this podcast with Tim Penhallow, Team Cant-anchor-us. https://r2ak.com/2017-daily-updates/2017-stage-2-day-16-i-woke-up-with-the-bow-in-a-waterfall/

Yep, that's where I heard it. So that makes the GS only taking 9 days to get to Ketchikan. Rules said it's leaving June 25th. So to make the "math" work the counting started at 1 minute into the 25th, and ends with 1 minute left on the 4th. I think I saw it was supposedly starting from PT, not Victoria. And that the ~75 miles is measured with the same (perhaps wonky) ruler as the 750 for the total race.

I guess we'll know more as things unfold. The just published daily video with Oaracle seems to indicate that they're in it all the way to Ketchikan (regardless).

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4 big days and maybe 24 hours straight for the last teams to make it. The wind has to blow or 2 are likely out. Head winds inside could thwart the rowers official attempt at being the first team to fully row the r2ak full race, with no sails.

http://tracker.r2ak.com/

Gar is on an ex Roger Mann tri singlehanded.

A Prindle 19 with a hole in one hull reported as golf ball sized.

Oaracle the rowers, longest first date, currently crossing the bay of 6 winds, to the Grenville Channel, where outflows can be 25-30. Tim Penhallow described it to me last year, the hell of rowing upwind in that, aiming for the next little point a 100 yards upwind and using those little steps to defeat the agony of forward progress. . You know it hurts when you have to stand 4 times an hour to endure the boat butt.

In the video it seems like she is game to make the finish line. He wants to "go all the way". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ0GHFS8-44

Go Team Oaracle! :D

 

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Seems to me Oaracle is having an easier time in the channels than Karl did. They should be able to exit tomorrow and hopefully make good progress over the weekend. The next few days look generally favourable on Windyty with southeasterly flows. 

 

NB I paddle (and sail) regularly. I've done 5km SUP paddles before work twice this week including this morning. The more I do this the more I cannot believe Karl's achievement.

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Oaracle has slack tide approaching. https://tidesnear.me/current_stations/2701

http://tracker.r2ak.com/

They need a big day.

The Gar and the Prindle are really pushing. The Prindle seems to have wasted some time last night east of McMikking before stopping, but it doesn't show this morning on the tracker track. Gar wisely didn't turn east to the Skeena.

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I haven't studied it closely enough yet, but does the tide "split" in the big channels like Grenville and Princess Royal, just like at Mitlenatch, in the Straits of Georgia? It is one of the things that intrigue me about this race, the huge tidal and current complexities. Added to which there must be massive wind and barometric variations in their timing and strength?

At Dunalley Canal, just north of me, the Notice to Mariners used to say that boats are advised to contact the harbour master for the times of high tide  as they can vary from the official data by as much as 24 hours due to weather and barometric influences!!!

And then there are the local wind effects caused by the terrain and huge temperature differences..... Fascinating.

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Tried the R2AK link but it wasn't organized to quickly make clear: Who won please, in what boat design, and did it beat the inaugural record?

thanks for anything! 

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Winners:

TEAM PURE & WILD/FREEBURD

Crew: Tripp Burd, Chris Burd, Trevor Burd
Vessel: Mama Tried, Custom 8.5M Pete Melvin Trimaran

The boat is owned by Randy - last years winner in M32 who is looking for a challenge to use ut..

They didnt beat the M32 record. Used 4 days something - close competition with Big Broderna in F31R. 

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19 hours ago, Rob Zabukovec said:

I haven't studied it closely enough yet, but does the tide "split" in the big channels like Grenville and Princess Royal, just like at Mitlenatch, in the Straits of Georgia? It is one of the things that intrigue me about this race, the huge tidal and current complexities. Added to which there must be massive wind and barometric variations in their timing and strength?

At Dunalley Canal, just north of me, the Notice to Mariners used to say that boats are advised to contact the harbour master for the times of high tide  as they can vary from the official data by as much as 24 hours due to weather and barometric influences!!!

And then there are the local wind effects caused by the terrain and huge temperature differences..... Fascinating.

The tides split at Klewnugget, in that area. The incoming tide can carry Skeena River freshet with it. There is a nasty point there for large shipping heading south. They could be pushed on the shoals with a large tide and wind. https://webapp.navionics.com/#boating@9&key=oirfIdxbwW

There is a 4 knot ebb tide by the time it reaches Lowe Inlet to the south, a popular anchorage.

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The trackers have not updated on the last teams this morning, but it looks like the Prindle crossed the Dixon and made a run to the border. Light winds forecast in the Dixon east, the dreaded 5-15.

Gar on the small tri likely parked on Dundas last night. He tried the Collins Channel route on Stephens Island yesterday, but turned back, perhaps due to foul winds. He has safe conditions to make KTN late today. http://weather.gc.ca/marine/forecast_e.html?mapID=01&siteID=03300

It is already over for the rowboat team, alas, with only a regular mileage day yesterday, they may not be able to put the miles in for 2 huge days. Row, row, slap, row.... The sweeper has essentially caught them, but..they would have to make the north side of Dundas Island today to stay in it.

In the Shearwater video they state the plan to continue and finish regardless, so good on them. http://tracker.r2ak.com/

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On 2017-06-16 at 10:08 AM, Mizzmo said:

This settles it, I really want to go next year. I wonder if an F-27 would make it through there.

Yes, it can. No problem. 

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On 23.6.2017 at 11:59 PM, Rob Zabukovec said:

The oscillating drive systems you are referring are yulohs.

I have built two yulohs, and I think the name refers quite specifically to the Chinese sculling oar, not generically to all oscillating blades.  Harry Bryan's drive has more on common with the Hobie Mirage drive than with what I know as the yuloh.  And I still don't know why that sort of thing is not more popular.  It would seem easier to build than a propeller, less vulnerable to grounding, ropes or driftwood, and easier to repair.

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8 hours ago, WetSnail said:

I have built two yulohs, and I think the name refers quite specifically to the Chinese sculling oar, not generically to all oscillating blades.  Harry Bryan's drive has more on common with the Hobie Mirage drive than with what I know as the yuloh.  And I still don't know why that sort of thing is not more popular.  It would seem easier to build than a propeller, less vulnerable to grounding, ropes or driftwood, and easier to repair.

I totally agree with everything you have said and I was aware of it at the time of posting...... But as Google bundles them altogether as a generic skulling device term, I just went with the flow..... It was as much to make the original OP aware of some of the other alternatives as well.

Ditto your comments on Harry Bryant's drive.

BTW..... Well done Make It So......

Edited by Rob Zabukovec

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So, team Make it So has demonstrated the power of sail and long days and finished well ahead of the Sweeper. Well done to them. And interesting comment regarding the pedal drive being no faster, but easier. 

GAR is doing the same thing and seems to be enjoying good winds. He's still about 22nm away from the finish, with what seems like favourable winds. They do seem to go light near the finish. If he can stay awake then he could finish in the night.

And Oaracle have just started to move again, which was a move that I'd never expected. I wonder how far they're planning on going? I wonder if it has something to do with the tides and currents in that area? I haven't found something simple and intuitive to let me see how the water is moving along the race track. Karl seemed to mention about currents coming out of the Skeena. They are now within 75nm of Ketchikan, so I'm assuming that means they can't be swept tomorrow. Will it come down to a game of inches on the 4th?

(And is anyone else starting to think that the Grim Sweeper could be more virtual than real? The email from the GS at the beginning of today's podcast smacked more of data analytics than marine traffic to me. I wouldn't doubt it, and think the whole idea of the cloaked sweeper is rather fun and clever.)

cheers, Andrew

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Well, Oaracle appears to be currently hove to and drifting into the sound, safe behind some islands inside Cape Fox.

It looks like a herculean effort from the looks of those hands, to keep rowing the remainder of the way to KTN.

The Sweep Boat appears to have mechanical problems and could well be a day late. http://tracker.r2ak.com/

Go Oaracle!

https://teamoaracle.wordpress.com/2017/07/03/leg-2-day-23-mon-3-jul-90-km-to-finish/

Ketchikan, Alaska Tide Chart

 

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4 hours ago, Norse Horse said:

Well, Oaracle appears to be currently hove to and drifting into the sound, safe behind some islands inside Cape Fox.

It looks like a herculean effort from the looks of those hands, to keep rowing the remainder of the way to KTN.

The Sweep Boat appears to have mechanical problems and could well be a day late. http://tracker.r2ak.com/

Go Oaracle!

https://teamoaracle.wordpress.com/2017/07/03/leg-2-day-23-mon-3-jul-90-km-to-finish/

Ketchikan, Alaska Tide Chart

I love it when a tracker map shot like this:

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turns into a satellite view like this (which makes a lot more sense):

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It looks like Oaracle are in good shape to finish this off today. Yesterday I had them making 35.1nm towards the finish, with 29.7 left to go. Their actual distance to row (and rowed) is further though as these are straight line (great circle) distances.

And if I'm reading the tide chart above correctly they'll have the tide under them this morning, although it will have turned by the time they're finishing unless they start really early (and row really steadily). It looks as though they'll be close to the time of Mike's Kayak from the first race. And if my counting is right will be the 27th finisher, which is one better than last year.

I'm looking forward to watching their arrival video for sure. I think this year is the first time we've had finishers with no sail assistance (as I think Mike had a sail option too, although I can't remember if he used it much).

From the Grim Sweeper interview the other day I think they deserve a dockside welcome as well, to commiserate for coming up empty for the third year in a row. 

This has been another fun race to follow. Cheers, Andrew

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Go Oaracle...... Fingers crossed that the Grim Reaper's "mechanical problems" will last until Oaracle have finished!!!

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1 hour ago, Rob Zabukovec said:

Go Oaracle...... Fingers crossed that the Grim Reaper's "mechanical problems" will last until Oaracle have finished!!!

I think they will. In the Daily Fix interview the Grim Sweeper said they weren't going to sweep anyone on the last day, that Daniel would have to do that! They just need to get started towards the finish though! (Well that is unless they've to left their tracker off to sneak into Ketchikan)

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They are going now, 4.1kts to the finish. So pleased to see them get there. Also, you have to agree "Oaracle" is one of the greatest pun names in the history of this great race, and particularly at this key time in America's Cup history.

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5 hours ago, Banjo5 said:

I think they will. In the Daily Fix interview the Grim Sweeper said they weren't going to sweep anyone on the last day, that Daniel would have to do that! They just need to get started towards the finish though! (Well that is unless they've to left their tracker off to sneak into Ketchikan)

It did occur to me also that the Grim Reaper might even have had to go to Ketchikan for "spare parts" on 4 July so that they can go back and fix their "mechanical problem". before they switch their tracker on???

Go Oaracle, and yes, it is an excellent pun.....

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Bravo Oaracle!! Well done.

And you think you have rowing blisters....... You should see my mouse and keyboard blisters!!

And now I also have to deal with tracker withdrawal symptoms until next year... Life just isn't fair.

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Well done, Oaracle.

In the FB video they said the rowboat was originally from Alaska and had been rowed to Washington state, so back it came.

That's it for this r2ak. Some really stellar finishes this year, from the tri's closing the gap on the OA fastest time, to Karl, the tin boat, the ODay...

congrats to all the finishers.

 

 

 

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That was fun to follow!  Thank you to all the people that made it happen, participants, volunteers, and organizers alike.

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I just found this blog post by Ashlyn from a month ago with links to a couple of videos, one of the leg 2 start (below), and a bunch of interesting links to "our talented old friends & talented new friends who have contributed custom parts, innovative equipment, rigging, problem solving, and general advice.":

http://ptwatercraft.com/blog/?p=2735

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Russell has had a few challenges along the way already. Starting with a rigging crisis that had gone un-noticed until June7th, the day before the start. It was in Victoria, after almost 10 times lowering the mast and later shimmy-ing up to check, that the issue was resolved satisfactorily. The first day out of Victoria, he lost his preferred pedal drive prop and prop nut. He had a spare and continued with that. He had a close call with the reef off East Point Saturna, battling current, pedaling "for my life!" as he put it. Being conservative with words by nature, I imagine it was pretty darn scary for him. Mixed chop made life uncomfortable up to Nanaimo and at Seymour Narrows, he chose not to go through at night and to do some precautionary repairs on the pedal drive instead.

 

Then found a video I hadn't seen before about Russell's restored G-32:

 

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 I'll see if I can write something coherent about the race soon. The truth is that the race was a bit of a blur for me. The trip home was great though.

Maybe I'm not such a good racer. I know how to make a boat go and I'm pretty good at keeping a tippy boat like the G-32 on it's feet, but I'm not fearless and there was plenty of things for me to get spooked by.

Stopping every night was the only way I could have done the race, but I made some mistakes that cost a lot of time and I really wish I could have had a bit more time in the boat before the race.

I'd like to give it another go next year, but how to pay for it? It's expensive to do this race. Lots of stuff this year went on the credit card, including an outboard that I bought in Ketchikan and burned up on the way home. This was a new motor that got so hot that plastic parts were falling off of it before we even noticed that it wasn't cooling. The warranty covers everything except cooling issues.

Interestingly, the trip home became more of a fun adventure after the motor burned up.

The G-32 is such a cool and fun boat. I look forward to fine tuning it and getting to know it better.

 

Russell

 

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16 hours ago, Russell Brown said:

 I'll see if I can write something coherent about the race soon. The truth is that the race was a bit of a blur for me. The trip home was great though.

Maybe I'm not such a good racer. I know how to make a boat go and I'm pretty good at keeping a tippy boat like the G-32 on it's feet, but I'm not fearless and there was plenty of things for me to get spooked by.

Stopping every night was the only way I could have done the race, but I made some mistakes that cost a lot of time and I really wish I could have had a bit more time in the boat before the race.

I'd like to give it another go next year, but how to pay for it? It's expensive to do this race. Lots of stuff this year went on the credit card, including an outboard that I bought in Ketchikan and burned up on the way home. This was a new motor that got so hot that plastic parts were falling off of it before we even noticed that it wasn't cooling. The warranty covers everything except cooling issues.

Interestingly, the trip home became more of a fun adventure after the motor burned up.

The G-32 is such a cool and fun boat. I look forward to fine tuning it and getting to know it better.

 

Russell

 

Russell:

Regarding next year, if after enough time has passed you think it is worth doing, you should consider setting up a Go Fund Me page.  Although you've spent most of your career dodging spotlights and avoiding attention I think you would have no problem raising funds to do the race.  I'd certainly be willing to pledge a couple hundred as your books have helped me become a better boat builder.

Your performance this year was in my opinion spectacular - efficient, sensible, mature and safe.  If you had more fun and less stress on the return trip perhaps you should try to get Ashlyn to do both legs with you.  From a business point of view PT Watercraft gained priceless publicity this year.  The real work ahead is turning the publicity and good will into revenue for PT Watercraft.

You have taught everyone who follows that youth, endurance, going far beyond sensible limits and taking risks is less important than making smart choices and running your own race.

--

Bill Strosberg

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Or, Russell can build me new beams for Cakewalk and use the $ for R2AK 2018 !74392d1347858378-gougeon-gardiner-trimaran-sale-ads-007.thumb.jpg.29ba283464c6c1d77b2dd7453fe789f6.jpg

Cheers, Stephen 

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20 hours ago, Russell Brown said:

I'll see if I can write something coherent about the race soon.

How about a quick rough draft (here) of what you did with the "rigging crisis" the day before the start?  From the video:

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+1 to the Go Fund Me page Russell. As I said a way back in this thread you did this race with seemingly effortless class and aplomb.  When you get a chance to write more, I'd love to hear more thoughts on the Gougeon. It seems like a  really cool boat but I get the impression it wasn't all that successful when it came out. Perhaps it's one of those cool boats in search of a market. There aren't enough H.L Enloes and Randy Smiths who are old enough to afford nice boats but still want to go really fast. Anyway, congratulations on what looked like a textbook demonstration of how to do the Race to Alaska in the safest and fastest manner. 

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Very interesting to hear more of the G32 sail - and how to apply a strategy that is according to the boat and the men (one). Was the ballast system in use etc. Cakewalk - very nice light and wide tri - must also be nursed a little for a sail like that I guess.... 

 

My T-35 is also very light buildt - 1300kg sailready at 35ft - so it also has to be sailed with some consideration when it gets rough, I see Cakewalk has no foils at the amas - mine has assymetric daggerboards - and that is very effective - but also puts a lot loads on the amas and beams - two years ago the left ama broke off because of that - but the interior without a daggerboard is open. 

Water ballast - the G32 has that bec of narrow beam - but Cakewalk with wide beam and I guess it has no waterballast?  

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Bill & Optimist, Thanks for the praise, but from my perspective I finished at least a couple of days behind what I think I could have done. To be honest, I wasn't very well prepared for the race due to trying to build a new rig (and many other parts) for the boat in a short time and then having serious problems with certain key parts that kept me from having shakedown time before the race. I'm not going to say what these parts were for political reasons, but they caused a huge delay and gave me a lot of frustration during the race. To be fair, some of the parts that I built were causing a bit of worry as well, but shakedown time would have shown these problems as well.

The boat performed amazingly well and there are quite a few things that I really like about it. It is a bit scary downwind in waves, but I managed a couple of spinnaker takedown's in well over 20 knots of wind thanks to a good autopilot and I never capsized.                I do wish I had practiced capsizes in wild conditions so that I wouldn't have been afraid of tipping over, but again, there was no time. I never got wet (besides torrential rain) on the way to Alaska and back. The boat is amazingly dry. Actually, I think the boat is brilliant. There are lots of compromises as usual, but it seems to do it for me, especially the 20 minute launch ramp time and the light air performance (with a rig that is shorter than the boat is.

 

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Russel, the light air performance is indeed amazing. Here's a couple of shots, one in Hoskyn Channel and one from just after we talked to you at Rebecca Spit. The Rebecca Spit shot doesn't really show the total lack of breeze you had. I can send you a few more pictures (at full resolution) we took if you'd like them.

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On July 19, 2017 at 0:09 PM, Ishmael said:

Russel, the light air performance is indeed amazing. Here's a couple of shots, one in Hoskyn Channel and one from just after we talked to you at Rebecca Spit. The Rebecca Spit shot doesn't really show the total lack of breeze you had. I can send you a few more pictures (at full resolution) we took if you'd like them.

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Ishmael, That must have been you in the blue boat.

The Rebecca spit shot was the most wind we had that whole day. We pedaled and drifted to Mitlenatch and waited there for breeze. Ever anchored there? Almost lost some paint leaving the next morning.

Ashlyn is working on a video from the race and I'll post a link when it's done.

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On 7/20/2017 at 10:41 PM, Russell Brown said:

Ishmael, That must have been you in the blue boat.

The Rebecca spit shot was the most wind we had that whole day. We pedaled and drifted to Mitlenatch and waited there for breeze. Ever anchored there? Almost lost some paint leaving the next morning.

Ashlyn is working on a video from the race and I'll post a link when it's done.

Just noticed that ptwatercraft has posted the aforementioned video to youtube.  Russell's Race to Alaska is worth watching.

Watching the video segments (which Russell shot en route) gives you the opportunity to see things from his eyes.  It is obvious that Russell was focused on deadheads and careful navigation as well as speed.  I have to assume the videos were filmed in moments where Russell was relaxed enough to pick up a camera and engage the autopilot.  Semi submerged 1,500 pound logs becoming visible 20 yards ahead of the boat going 15 knots has got to be nerve wracking.  Single handed sailing of this race in boats in these waters this fast is much more dangerous than I imagined.  With two crew you can at least take one set of eyes off the water in front of you for a break.

I can see how the trip back from Ketchikan was more "fun" for Russell.  The stress levels much have dropped tremendously.

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Holy Cow, what a clean wake you leave, Russell.

Good shot of the tin boat under sail.

 

 

The ODay 28 story of running before the gale hit them at Cape Caution is here, along with an interview with the 3 Burds. https://48north.com/the-magazine/

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