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Racing kicks off today at the inaugural Multihull Cup in Palma. It will be VERY interesting to see the relative speeds of the boats entered:

 

Gunboat 66 - Slim

Gunboat 66 - CoCo de Mer

HH66 - R-Six

Irens 78 - Allegra

Banuls 62 - Dragon

 

 

 

 

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Day one results have been posted. I happen to think that the ratings are bullshit, so here are the elapsed times:

 

1st - Irens 78 - Allegra 04:08:27

2nd - Gunboat 66 - Slim 04:19:49

3rd - HH66 - R-Six 04:21:01

4th - Banuls 62 - 04:36:35

5th - Gunboat 66 - 05:02:20

 

This is an interesting sequence. I expected the Irens 78 to be out in front. It is simply a bigger boat with more waterline length. I am surprised a that the old Gunboat 66 design (Slim) was ahead of the new HH66 design. There is; however, a huge separation between the two Gunboat 66s racing. It is impressive that the new HH66 was able to hold off the Banuls 62. By comparison the Banuls boat is much lighter and simpler than the HH66.

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Slim got a new much taller rig than the original, pretty much a Turbo 66 compared to its former self. Go SLIM!

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On the Bañuls 62 Dragon, we could not use our 230 sqm spinnaker because it popped out of the lock after hoisting and stripped our halyard so we had to use the 123 sqm screecher downwind. Hopefully more luck tomorrow :-).

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On the ratings the Banuls 62 is supposed to be the fastest in this group, Allegra 2nd, HH slowest.

 

Great group of boats to be thrashing it out - looking forward seeing how they go over the next 2 legs

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On the ratings the Banuls 62 is supposed to be the fastest in this group, Allegra 2nd, HH slowest.

 

Great group of boats to be thrashing it out - looking forward seeing how they go over the next 2 legs

I'm pretty unconvinced about this rating rule, but that's normal. A fair rule is like a unicorn. It's like the hot/crazy matrix. Nevertheless, it's a fantastic fleet and I wish I was there. The future of the market segment is awesome. I think a rising tide floats all boats. The more Banuls 60's and HH's and GB's the better.

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The Irens 78, is a beautiful design. B)

I was on it two weeks ago. Hands down the prettiest cat afloat.

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Regatta site is: http://www.multihullcup.com

 

Love the lines of Allegra, who said boxy can't be beautiful.

 

The performance, simplicity mix of the Banuls 60 floats my boat as well.

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Leg 2 race:

1 - Allegra Irens 78 02:50:57

2 - Coco de Mer GB66 02:57:47

3 - R-SIX HH 66 02:58:39

4 - SLIM GB66 03:19:51

Dragon - Banuls 60 DNF - what's the story fellas ?

The Gunboats have reversed from Race 1 so presumably gear issue for each of them in the different races.

Would be good to get some commentary from someone who was there. Can't find any on the regatta site.

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In all honesty, I'm pretty disappointed by the HH performance. The 15 yr old Gunboat design is as fast as the all new, all carbon HH. I expected the HH to wipe the floor with the GB's in the light conditions. Good news for GB.

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Leg 2 race:

1 - Allegra Irens 78 02:50:57

2 - Coco de Mer GB66 02:57:47

3 - R-SIX HH 66 02:58:39

4 - SLIM GB66 03:19:51

 

 

Dragon - Banuls 60 DNF - what's the story fellas ?

 

The Gunboats have reversed from Race 1 so presumably gear issue for each of them in the different races.

 

Would be good to get some commentary from someone who was there. Can't find any on the regatta site.

On Dragon (the Bañuls 62), we heard a loud bang on the first beat and saw our main coming (part way) down. Luckily, it was only the lashing of the main sail head to the first car that broke. We managed to free the main from the lazy jacks but decided it was to bumpy to send someone up to get the halyard under the circumstances so we went back to the harbor.

 

We used the opportunity to put our BBQ to work and have everything ready for tomorrow so we hope that third time's a charm :-).

 

Slim ripped a kite in half and broke their code sail, so that slowed then down. Coco de Mer did really well though in the stronger conditions more suiting their shorter rig.

 

Last, Allegra got a recall (lucky for us as we were just to windward and would have been rolled and leebowed). Still, they managed to be first at the first mark after losing 6 minutes - very impressive!

 

The race is tight (except for us :-) ) and tomorrow will be the final day for a great event. The first spot is still open for 4 boats.

 

Dragon over and out.

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Leg 2 race:

1 - Allegra Irens 78 02:50:57

2 - Coco de Mer GB66 02:57:47

3 - R-SIX HH 66 02:58:39

4 - SLIM GB66 03:19:51

 

 

Dragon - Banuls 60 DNF - what's the story fellas ?

 

The Gunboats have reversed from Race 1 so presumably gear issue for each of them in the different races.

 

Would be good to get some commentary from someone who was there. Can't find any on the regatta site.

On Dragon (the Bañuls 62), we heard a loud bang on the first beat and saw our main coming (part way) down. Luckily, it was only the lashing of the main sail head to the first car that broke. We managed to free the main from the lazy jacks but decided it was to bumpy to send someone up to get the halyard under the circumstances so we went back to the harbor.

 

We used the opportunity to put our BBQ to work and have everything ready for tomorrow so we hope that third time's a charm :-).

 

Slim ripped a kite in half and broke their code sail, so that slowed then down. Coco de Mer did really well though in the stronger conditions more suiting their shorter rig.

 

Last, Allegra got a recall (lucky for us as we were just to windward and would have been rolled and leebowed). Still, they managed to be first at the first mark after losing 6 minutes - very impressive!

 

The race is tight (except for us :-) ) and tomorrow will be the final day for a great event. The first spot is still open for 4 boats.

 

Dragon over and out.

 

 

Thanks for the update, great to hear a bit of what is going on. All the best for tomorrow - hope you get a chance for Dragon to show her stuff over the entire course.

How long has Dragon been in the Med - I saw her in Phuket last year with her previous owner - amazing build quality and attention to detail.

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Thanks for the update, great to hear a bit of what is going on. All the best for tomorrow - hope you get a chance for Dragon to show her stuff over the entire course.

How long has Dragon been in the Med - I saw her in Phuket last year with her previous owner - amazing build quality and attention to detail.

Thanks for your kind words and good wishes. Dragon arrived mid August as deck cargo, so we just got her ready and only had a single weekend sail (in 4 knots :-) ) and the light wind delivery before the race. So this is the first time we are winding her up and pushing her.

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Regatta site is: http://www.multihullcup.com

 

 

 

There may only be six boats competing, but you'd think they would have updated the website since the 16th when they posted, 'All boats have arrived'. Seems like a great platform for an event (though late in the season?) but if they want to have a second one you'd think they'd be doing more to get it into peoples faces with slick photography, a two-minute highlight reel and some social media.

Maybe they need to talk to the 52 Super Series people.

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Totally agree the you Terrorvision would think a little more info online and some updates about the daily racing would be a priority for a new event, it ain't hard these days with HD video recording on most phones and constant data connections. Thanks for the updates tr1plet good to be hearing from someone on the water there shame you've been having some issues. Good luck with today's racing!

 

 

Regatta site is: http://www.multihullcup.com

 

 

There may only be six boats competing, but you'd think they would have updated the website since the 16th when they posted, 'All boats have arrived'. Seems like a great platform for an event (though late in the season?) but if they want to have a second one you'd think they'd be doing more to get it into peoples faces with slick photography, a two-minute highlight reel and some social media.

Maybe they need to talk to the 52 Super Series people.

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In all honesty, I'm pretty disappointed by the HH performance. The 15 yr old Gunboat design is as fast as the all new, all carbon HH. I expected the HH to wipe the floor with the GB's in the light conditions. Good news for GB.

Which race you talking about?

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Well done to the HH team and R-Six it would be good to see these boats next year head to head after the newer boats have had sometime to get into the groove and all there issues are ironed out. I don't think we have seen the newer boats anywhere near there best and looking at the shape of Dragons square top it doesn't look like the best shape either.

 

Hopefully they'll have a under 50ft class and allow little trimarans to race when we get to the med ;-)

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Well done to the HH team and R-Six it would be good to see these boats next year head to head after the newer boats have had sometime to get into the groove and all there issues are ironed out. I don't think we have seen the newer boats anywhere near there best and looking at the shape of Dragons square top it doesn't look like the best shape either.

 

Hopefully they'll have a under 50ft class and allow little trimarans to race when we get to the med ;-)

I really like Slim's lines. MM.

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In all honesty, I'm pretty disappointed by the HH performance. The 15 yr old Gunboat design is as fast as the all new, all carbon HH. I expected the HH to wipe the floor with the GB's in the light conditions. Good news for GB.

Which race you talking about?

GBs won 2 out of 3 races against the HH. Slim, Coco, then R-Six. That's pretty even in my book.

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In all honesty, I'm pretty disappointed by the HH performance. The 15 yr old Gunboat design is as fast as the all new, all carbon HH. I expected the HH to wipe the floor with the GB's in the light conditions. Good news for GB.

Which race you talking about?

GBs won 2 out of 3 races against the HH. Slim, Coco, then R-Six. That's pretty even in my book.

 

Sorry, my question may have come across differently than intended. You referred to "light air" and I was just asking what race you were talking about. No judgement intended or implied. Your comment made me go look more carefully. I think approximate VMGs and spreads for the various races were:

 

Race 1: 5-6 knots (~60 minute spread over 4 hour race)

Race 2: 8 knots (~30 minute spread over 3 hour race)

Race 3: 6 knots (~10 minute spread over 2.5 hour race)

 

I assume you were talking about race 1 (which given the VMGs seemed to be a lighter air race) when you wrote that and was trying to confirm. In that race (#1) I thought Slim (modified/turboed Gunboat w tall rig) beat the HH66 (but by only about 1 minute) while the HH66 crushed the stock Gunboat66 (Coco) by about 45 minutes (uncorrected). I was surprised by that and wondered if Coco had some gear failure. In race 3 (also lighter air) the HH66 beat everybody on uncorrected time but there was not much in it. Race 2 seemed to be a heavier air race and here the stock GB66 beat the stock HH66 but only by about a minute (uncorrected) while the turboed/modified GB (Slim) finished last on uncorrected almost 20 minutes behind. Not reading anything into this as between gear failure, different crew levels, etc... its likely not fair but bottom line I didn't see any trends to hang my hat on.

 

Just realized from the pics CB joined HH. Dang, I had not been paying attention.

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Final update from Dragon after being back in the cold weather.

 

Race 3 was a lot of fun for us on Dragon being closer to the sharp end of the fleet for a good part of the race, and at least we finished despite another (small) snafu. Our team got it fixed underway and did not give up until the end :-).

 

The race was a short sprint 1 NM upwind, followed by a long downwind leg, two short reaches to and back from the turning mark, and an upwind race to the finish line.

 

We had a nice start controlling the race committee end of the line, pushing the MM boats up early, and had a good speed upwind despite our still sagging square top.

 

We always noticed more wind on the left side of the course before the race, so we stayed left much longer than anyone else. It first paid off nicely, but when we were on the layline back to the upwind mark, our side of the course got soft and the wind got stronger on the right.

 

Allegra reached the mark first and kindly went above us after rounding, and R-SIX, the HH 66, just snuck through too. We managed to tack around the mark just before SLIM arrived and thus secured our 3rd spot.

 

After hoisting our masthead spinnaker, we pulled away from the Gunboats and caught up to R-Six and Allegra, following R-Six closely but not being able to get past them. They made a few perfectly timed (and executed) gybes, always managing to nail the shifts and puffs, so we could not get past them even when they were not covering until the bottom rounding point, where we pulled over them on the reaching leg and left them behind.

 

We wanted to play it safe and switch from masthead to Solent rather than screecher which we had hoisted too, so we unfurled the Solent instead. It was unusually hard to unfurl, and then got stuck completely. A look under the deck revealed that it somehow got twisted with a different line and block under the bridge deck.

 

We managed to furl the masthead and take the Solent somewhat tight with a short strop, while watching R-SIX seize the opportunity to tack through on the inside around the island. We were taking down the furled screecher and masthead spinnaker while following R-Six, who were slowly pulling away with their 125% Solent vs. our not-tight-enough Solent. Now SLIM appeared behind us too. A slighly panicked but polite request whether we could tighten the Solent was strongly denied by the fore deck union, who needed the winch to take the furled sails down and were doing their best to fix the Solent system.

 

R-Six and Slim, who now climbed above us around the point, took the course close to the island upwind, while we (involuntarily) followed in Allegra's direction to the left side of the course, at 10-11 knots but 10-15 degrees too low. Another 15 minutes later, we finally had the Solent system working again, but were far out on the left side of the course and lost a lot of height compared to everyone else. Surprisingly, no one had finished yet, not even Allegra, which seemed to have suffered on the outside.

 

Coco de Mer had gone past us as well on the inside, but we were hoping to catch at least one boat over line so they were now our target. I have no idea how, but what Coco seemed to lack in boat speed due to their shorter original rig, they made up by having their private lifts all the time, often sailing 20 degrees higher than us (and everyone else).

 

All efforts were in vain as we watched everyone cross the line in the last 10 minutes before us, but we were very happy and proud for having such a fun race and having fought until the end.

 

The whole event was really well organized, and I can't remember having this much fun at a regatta for a very long time.

 

The guys from R-Six sailed a great regatta and deserved the win. We only saw them up close in the last race, but they were really professional in all their tactical calls, the maneuvers and boat trim. Everything looked so simple and effortless when they gybed, and they were again just in the right spot at the right time. Kudos to them - hard to believe they just got the boat.

 

SLIM always showed great boat speed and tactics, but unfortunately ripped their big kite and a code sail on the second day - we got away lucky (and cheap) by only loosing the head sail lashing. Who knows were they would have ended otherwise.

 

Allegra was in a league of her own, leading almost all of the time (and sometimes thereby showing others where not to go :-) ). For example, she had a recall in one race, lost 6 minutes getting back to the line, and was still the first boat at the top mark.

 

And Coco was just brilliant at making all the shifts and lifts work for her.

 

Last, Outnumbered came with 3 generations on board to support and rounded off the fleet, even if they had to skip a day when the Mallorcan Volvo techs did not show up as promised at 7am, but instead took apart the engines during the skippers meeting. Sadly, they could not stay until the end.

 

We hope that this is just the first of many Multihullcups, be it in Mallorca or elsewhere, and that we can participate again with so many friendly people and a great atmosphere.

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Nice reports. Good to read. Thanks. There was a comment in one of the first posts about the handicap.It looks look some of the skippers are posting here so do they know if the formula available? There have been some questions raised in the UK about handicapping bigger cats and the MOCRA rating and it seems important to look at new systems to see if there are things we should be considering?

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Nice reports. Good to read. Thanks. There was a comment in one of the first posts about the handicap.It looks look some of the skippers are posting here so do they know if the formula available? There have been some questions raised in the UK about handicapping bigger cats and the MOCRA rating and it seems important to look at new systems to see if there are things we should be considering?

Are you happy with MOCRA? Unhappy? Why? There is a very active debate among the interested parties about ratings and MOCRA is mentioned.

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Day one results have been posted. I happen to think that the ratings are bullshit, so here are the elapsed times:

 

1st - Irens 78 - Allegra 04:08:27

2nd - Gunboat 66 - Slim 04:19:49

3rd - HH66 - R-Six 04:21:01

4th - Banuls 62 - 04:36:35

5th - Gunboat 66 - 05:02:20

 

This is an interesting sequence. I expected the Irens 78 to be out in front. It is simply a bigger boat with more waterline length. I am surprised a that the old Gunboat 66 design (Slim) was ahead of the new HH66 design. There is; however, a huge separation between the two Gunboat 66s racing. It is impressive that the new HH66 was able to hold off the Banuls 62. By comparison the Banuls boat is much lighter and simpler than the HH66.

 

 

Is it misleading to ignore official corrected results and only focus on elapsed times?

 

The boats are so different on how turbo'd up they are, how long they are, how heavy they are, etc etc

 

 

Official results, corrected times:

 

1st = R-Six / HH66

 

2nd = Coco / G66

 

3rd = Slim / G66

 

4th = Allegra / GM78

 

5th = Dragon / Banuls62

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Above are final official results for the entire Multihull Cup not just day 1

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Nice reports. Good to read. Thanks. There was a comment in one of the first posts about the handicap.It looks look some of the skippers are posting here so do they know if the formula available? There have been some questions raised in the UK about handicapping bigger cats and the MOCRA rating and it seems important to look at new systems to see if there are things we should be considering?

Are you happy with MOCRA? Unhappy? Why? There is a very active debate among the interested parties about ratings and MOCRA is mentioned.

 

Hi Soma

 

I think there is always active debate about ratings.. the MOCRA rule is published and available to see. The people who look after it are always keen to consider other factors that may need to be included. They may ignore them....... but the debate is important. I guess that there is interest becuase of the Caribean Racing under RORC with your contemporaries. I do know that MOCRA are keen to talk to people who race the large cats and tris and if you want to pm me I can put you in touch with the people in MOCRA who actually knnow what they are talking about... I still have L plates in both this complicated world of handicaps and making our Dazcat go faster...

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Day one results have been posted. I happen to think that the ratings are bullshit, so here are the elapsed times:

 

1st - Irens 78 - Allegra 04:08:27

2nd - Gunboat 66 - Slim 04:19:49

3rd - HH66 - R-Six 04:21:01

4th - Banuls 62 - 04:36:35

5th - Gunboat 66 - 05:02:20

 

This is an interesting sequence. I expected the Irens 78 to be out in front. It is simply a bigger boat with more waterline length. I am surprised a that the old Gunboat 66 design (Slim) was ahead of the new HH66 design. There is; however, a huge separation between the two Gunboat 66s racing. It is impressive that the new HH66 was able to hold off the Banuls 62. By comparison the Banuls boat is much lighter and simpler than the HH66.

 

Is it misleading to ignore official corrected results and only focus on elapsed times?

 

The boats are so different on how turbo'd up they are, how long they are, how heavy they are, etc etc

 

 

Official results, corrected times:

 

1st = R-Six / HH66

 

2nd = Coco / G66

 

3rd = Slim / G66

 

4th = Allegra / GM78

 

5th = Dragon / Banuls62

I think it's INCREDIBLY misleading to consider corrected results. I've won Heineken as many times as I haven't, but I feel no accomplishment from benefitting from a broken rating system.

 

Reports I've gotten were that it was a fantastic event with a great vibe, but everyone agreed that the ratings were laughable at best.

 

If you accept the ratings at face value, then a HH is 10% slower than a 15-yr old Gunboat but was really well sailed. If you accept the elapsed time results then you'd have to conclude that an HH is as fast as a 15-yr old design but benefitted from an arbitrary rating rule.

 

One conclusion, M&M certainly know this market segment. Regardless of vintage or ratings they showed fantastic relative performance.

 

For the record, none of the Gunboats were turbo'd. Slim had deeper boards than original but is thoroughly a cruising boat otherwise. Coco is fully stock, as is Outnumbered.

 

I'd love to get in touch with the MOCRA guys. I'll PM you for details.

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As an interested outsider/observer

 

If the regatta is aimed at US$3 million and up performance cruising cats I wonder if ratings are as relevant - who want so see a bunch of Lagoons, FP's or Catanas join in and be challenging on the podium. Outremer's ?? perhaps the 5X but maybe there is be a minimum LOA of 60ft??

 

Who cares which crew sailed the best, mostly hired pros I guess. I am interested in which boat is fastest. Perhaps the rating should be based on build cost, or the number of ensuites :)

 

I would at least like see (and personally be more interested in) silverware based on elapsed times.

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So a 65+ ft with an extra tall mast should take the podium for beating a 60ft or 55ft with nothing turbo'd?

 

Sure the rule has issues and can get improved or a better/new system created

 

But screaming about ignoring ratings sounds like unhappiness with actual Multihull Cup results - not good sportsmanship and not good for the sport of sailing...

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great report many thanks Tr1plet will be good to see how you perform next year after more miles with the boat.

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Thanks for the rolling updates also Tr1plet and going to be interesting to see your performance with experience through time with the boat

I still have a problem with the coaming /cabin top but thats my problem or should I say wish it was my problem

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In all honesty, I'm pretty disappointed by the HH performance. The 15 yr old Gunboat design is as fast as the all new, all carbon HH. I expected the HH to wipe the floor with the GB's in the light conditions. Good news for GB.

Nils, as you are aware HH Catamarans stands for Hudson and Hakes; we put our names behind the brand, so when someone comments on being “disappointed” it is taken personally!

Three races and R-Six took 1st, 2nd, 1st. This is the yachts debut yacht race, the owners first ever yacht race, a significant milestone and great success in launching our new name. The yacht landed in Valencia at the end of June, 3 weeks later the owner took it on holiday cruising to Corsica, Palma, and then back to Valencia. It had its debut showing at the Cannes Boat Show, then back to Palma for this fantastic regatta.

 

I can assure you Nils this owner is far from disappointed; he even turned up at the show to be a proud man banging his chest and showing people his beautiful pride and joy. Just to recap this yacht has 2 x Gensets, 2 x water makers, 1x sewage treatment plant, 80,000BTU air conditioning, 2 x fridges, 2 x freezers, 36 bottle wine chiller, ice maker, 2 x TVs, full size washer dryer, bow thruster, sound insulated machinery and engine spaces, electric davit winch, push button dagger boards, push button mainsheet….actually more luxury than the acclaimed Gunboat 90, and you are disappointed?

 

A good handicapping rule, simply means the boat when sailed well can sail to its rating, no silver bullets, and no outcasts. Under most handicapping rules every yacht can have its day (weather dependant), but yet to win a race a yacht must still be well designed, well built, well prepared, and well sailed. Seems R-Six ticks all the boxes for three races. This is the winners podium Nils, bye bye. But do stay tuned as sister ship HH66-02 “Night Fury” heads to the Raja Muda regatta and then the renowned Kings Cup regatta to hopefully continue the silverware plunder.

 

Many thanks to the organisers of the Multihull Cup regatta and all participants, by all accounts a stunning regatta that was immensely enjoyed by all. Let’s keep it mixed up to further promote this new forum of great racing and fun regattas that all owners can enjoy together.

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In all honesty, I'm pretty disappointed by the HH performance. The 15 yr old Gunboat design is as fast as the all new, all carbon HH. I expected the HH to wipe the floor with the GB's in the light conditions. Good news for GB.

Nils, as you are aware HH Catamarans stands for Hudson and Hakes; we put our names behind the brand, so when someone comments on being “disappointed” it is taken personally!

Three races and R-Six took 1st, 2nd, 1st. This is the yachts debut yacht race, the owners first ever yacht race, a significant milestone and great success in launching our new name. The yacht landed in Valencia at the end of June, 3 weeks later the owner took it on holiday cruising to Corsica, Palma, and then back to Valencia. It had its debut showing at the Cannes Boat Show, then back to Palma for this fantastic regatta.

 

I can assure you Nils this owner is far from disappointed; he even turned up at the show to be a proud man banging his chest and showing people his beautiful pride and joy. Just to recap this yacht has 2 x Gensets, 2 x water makers, 1x sewage treatment plant, 80,000BTU air conditioning, 2 x fridges, 2 x freezers, 36 bottle wine chiller, ice maker, 2 x TVs, full size washer dryer, bow thruster, sound insulated machinery and engine spaces, electric davit winch, push button dagger boards, push button mainsheet….actually more luxury than the acclaimed Gunboat 90, and you are disappointed?

 

A good handicapping rule, simply means the boat when sailed well can sail to its rating, no silver bullets, and no outcasts. Under most handicapping rules every yacht can have its day (weather dependant), but yet to win a race a yacht must still be well designed, well built, well prepared, and well sailed. Seems R-Six ticks all the boxes for three races. This is the winners podium Nils, bye bye. But do stay tuned as sister ship HH66-02 “Night Fury” heads to the Raja Muda regatta and then the renowned Kings Cup regatta to hopefully continue the silverware plunder.

 

Many thanks to the organisers of the Multihull Cup regatta and all participants, by all accounts a stunning regatta that was immensely enjoyed by all. Let’s keep it mixed up to further promote this new forum of great racing and fun regattas that all owners can enjoy together.

 

Was with you right up till the bolded part. Shame to see the bluster and exaggeration on both sides.

 

H&H and GB are likely more than we need; we just want a comfortable cat Mom and I can double-hand around the world. Maybe we hit a few races along the way with friends as crew but it sounds like the yacht owners might get along better than some of the company principals. Shame.

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All bluster aside, I think it's incredibly exciting times. HH, GB, Banuls 60, Bieker, etc. Peter invented an entire market segment that is now getting real traction. Events like the Multihull Cup are a great template for what's to come. I'm happy that HH exists, I have nothing but respect for Renaud Banuls and Raphael Blot, the guys on the Beiker, the big Irens, they're all great guys.

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In all honesty, I'm pretty disappointed by the HH performance. The 15 yr old Gunboat design is as fast as the all new, all carbon HH. I expected the HH to wipe the floor with the GB's in the light conditions. Good news for GB.

Nils, as you are aware HH Catamarans stands for Hudson and Hakes; we put our names behind the brand, so when someone comments on being “disappointed” it is taken personally!

Three races and R-Six took 1st, 2nd, 1st. This is the yachts debut yacht race, the owners first ever yacht race, a significant milestone and great success in launching our new name. The yacht landed in Valencia at the end of June, 3 weeks later the owner took it on holiday cruising to Corsica, Palma, and then back to Valencia. It had its debut showing at the Cannes Boat Show, then back to Palma for this fantastic regatta.

 

I can assure you Nils this owner is far from disappointed; he even turned up at the show to be a proud man banging his chest and showing people his beautiful pride and joy. Just to recap this yacht has 2 x Gensets, 2 x water makers, 1x sewage treatment plant, 80,000BTU air conditioning, 2 x fridges, 2 x freezers, 36 bottle wine chiller, ice maker, 2 x TVs, full size washer dryer, bow thruster, sound insulated machinery and engine spaces, electric davit winch, push button dagger boards, push button mainsheet….actually more luxury than the acclaimed Gunboat 90, and you are disappointed?

 

A good handicapping rule, simply means the boat when sailed well can sail to its rating, no silver bullets, and no outcasts. Under most handicapping rules every yacht can have its day (weather dependant), but yet to win a race a yacht must still be well designed, well built, well prepared, and well sailed. Seems R-Six ticks all the boxes for three races. This is the winners podium Nils, bye bye. But do stay tuned as sister ship HH66-02 “Night Fury” heads to the Raja Muda regatta and then the renowned Kings Cup regatta to hopefully continue the silverware plunder.

 

Many thanks to the organisers of the Multihull Cup regatta and all participants, by all accounts a stunning regatta that was immensely enjoyed by all. Let’s keep it mixed up to further promote this new forum of great racing and fun regattas that all owners can enjoy together.

 

 

 

You may now drop the mic.

 

But also, let's not get too carried away with a regatta that had 5 boats on it. All different. There are club races that see less than 10 boats out as a poor showing.

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But also, let's not get too carried away with a regatta that had 5 boats on it. All different. There are club races that see less than 10 boats out as a poor showing.

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Well put, Needs to be many, many more boats in this segment to make it come alive racing. Rating rule bands for classes makes sailing against Lagoons impossible

 

New GB about to ramp up is great. Banuls, HH, Iren's, and whatever else cranks ut is great. multiple fired up builders that don't screw up could be great

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I'd love to see an Enticelle 60 line up against these boats to see where it's performance lies.

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I'd love to see an Enticelle 60 line up against these boats to see where it's performance lies.

 

I hope to be there one year :-)

 

I became the proud owner of #3 early this year and doing a refit now - back in the water in November. I'd like to see how she would do in that sort of company as well - can't see her being a quick as the Banuls 60 (despite the results of this regatta) or Allegra.

 

Might keep up with the GB's and HH depending on crew and sails, the Entincelle is a fair bit lighter (with less comforts) than both of those

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In all honesty, I'm pretty disappointed by the HH performance. The 15 yr old Gunboat design is as fast as the all new, all carbon HH. I expected the HH to wipe the floor with the GB's in the light conditions. Good news for GB.

Nils, as you are aware HH Catamarans stands for Hudson and Hakes; we put our names behind the brand, so when someone comments on being “disappointed” it is taken personally!

Three races and R-Six took 1st, 2nd, 1st. This is the yachts debut yacht race, the owners first ever yacht race, a significant milestone and great success in launching our new name. The yacht landed in Valencia at the end of June, 3 weeks later the owner took it on holiday cruising to Corsica, Palma, and then back to Valencia. It had its debut showing at the Cannes Boat Show, then back to Palma for this fantastic regatta.

 

I can assure you Nils this owner is far from disappointed; he even turned up at the show to be a proud man banging his chest and showing people his beautiful pride and joy. Just to recap this yacht has 2 x Gensets, 2 x water makers, 1x sewage treatment plant, 80,000BTU air conditioning, 2 x fridges, 2 x freezers, 36 bottle wine chiller, ice maker, 2 x TVs, full size washer dryer, bow thruster, sound insulated machinery and engine spaces, electric davit winch, push button dagger boards, push button mainsheet….actually more luxury than the acclaimed Gunboat 90, and you are disappointed?

 

A good handicapping rule, simply means the boat when sailed well can sail to its rating, no silver bullets, and no outcasts. Under most handicapping rules every yacht can have its day (weather dependant), but yet to win a race a yacht must still be well designed, well built, well prepared, and well sailed. Seems R-Six ticks all the boxes for three races. This is the winners podium Nils, bye bye. But do stay tuned as sister ship HH66-02 “Night Fury” heads to the Raja Muda regatta and then the renowned Kings Cup regatta to hopefully continue the silverware plunder.

 

Many thanks to the organisers of the Multihull Cup regatta and all participants, by all accounts a stunning regatta that was immensely enjoyed by all. Let’s keep it mixed up to further promote this new forum of great racing and fun regattas that all owners can enjoy together.

 

 

 

You may now drop the mic.

 

But also, let's not get too carried away with a regatta that had 5 boats on it. All different. There are club races that see less than 10 boats out as a poor showing.

 

Let's be realistic here, HH 66 and the Gunboats are luxury yachts, not stripped down race boats. Which boat was more comfortable to live on during the regatta might be a better barometer of the better yacht than who won the race. The races were probably a lot of fun for the participants, but prove very little except that a few of us give a shit about the results and will argue about it on this thread. Soma seemed to strike a nerve with Paul, but realistically, very few people that would buy one of his boats are paying attention to this thread. I was on RSix in Cannes, and it is an impressive boat, all of the bells and whistles, well built with lots of innovations, and Paul should be proud of it irregardless of any race results. It is Soma's job to promote his brand and their new offerings, probably knocking the competition fits in there somewhere. RSix is the first boat of a new design and I would imagine that HH is learning a lot from this early testing. I would rather know how it handles on a long delivery than in a four hour race. The older Gunboats have already passed that test. I am sure that HH Catamarans will do fine as long as they continue to focus on producing quality yachts, time will tell us the rest. I look forward to hearing about the delivery of 6602 before passing judgement.

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Which was hull #3? Cool Cat?

 

Freebirds, I think it is hull#3, might be #2.

 

AFAIK there were only 4 built, the 4th being rebranded as a Dolphin 600 which had more room in the rear cabins which reduced the clearance under the bridge deck quiet a bit. #4 is on the hard in St Martin looking a bit abandoned, apparently been there for a couple of years.

 

Freebirds is cedar strip plank core, it was the plug for the mould for the other hulls, again AFAIK this adds about 1-1.5 tonne to the weight compared to foam core.

 

Freebirds and Cool Cat might be catching up in November, those guys sound like gun sailors so will be great to do some sailing together.

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Starting to look more deeply...this is not the cabin coaming I thought I had seen..

 

mc2-60-catamaran-475x312.jpg Was Gary Martin sailing with you ....? Legend !!

which is totally different to 53 foot Trimaran .... 23knots in 17knots breeze

https://goo.gl/images/sbAHh1

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The picture above is the Bañuls 60 #1 Mach², right after the start of the Hong Kong - Vietnam Race in Oct 2013.

The Bañuls 60 #2 Dragon now based in the Med is the one that entered the Multihull Cup.

The 53ft trimaran mentioned above is the ñ53 by the same architect, Renaud Bañuls www.n53trimaran.com and www.banulsdesign.com

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Starting to look more deeply...this is not the cabin coaming I thought I had seen..

 

mc2-60-catamaran-475x312.jpg Was Gary Martin sailing with you ....? Legend !!

which is totally different to 53 foot Trimaran .... 23knots in 17knots breeze

https://goo.gl/images/sbAHh1[/size]

I always thought our cabin top was quite attractive being less boxy than others, so I was a bit surprised at your comment :-).

 

And indeed, it was Gary on board, who also fixed our issues underway.

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Ill make the Screen saver for the Week ...Great Stuff so where to next with the boat? Good luck with Her

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Paul and Kathryn on Cool Cat are great sailors... actively race Kathryn's tricked out 28R Evolution. In NC redoing bottom right now.

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Ill make the Screen saver for the Week ...Great Stuff so where to next with the boat? Good luck with Her

Thank you for your good wishes. We are staying in the Med and will be cruising here (and occasionally racing :-) ).

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I've done a few of these Gunboat / big multihull events.., and Jaybird has it correct in his post above.

 

for the most part, these events are not really about close tactical racing - they are about the owners and their friends (many of whom are great racing sailors) having fun on the water, with amazing boats, in beautiful locations, and enjoying camaraderie at the parties afterwards.

 

that doesn't mean that people don't want to win.., or that we don't have an occasional hard-fought beat with lot's of close crossings.., it's just that those things are more of a bonus than they are the primary reason for attending.

 

there will never be a rating or handicapping rule that can account for the differences between boats like this.., so the results will never be a good indicator of who sailed the best.

 

there is work going on to develop a better rating system, but as far as i am aware, there hasn't even been a clear decision about whether it should be measurement-based or performance-based. My feeling is it should be performance based.

 

one issue is that different owners have different approaches to the racing and i don't think there is unanimity among the owners as to what the purpose of the rating should be..., what it should deliver to the racers. some owners have turbo'd and relatively stripped down boats, where as others have basically stock boats. some have pro's in important positions.., and some have friends.., some are mostly cruisers, and some have a container of racing sails following them around..., so, how much should a rating scheme attempt to control or account for these different approaches?

 

I don't think there is an answer yet.

 

my feeling is that the most important goal of the big cat rating system should be to make as many owners of these boats as possible feel like they can show up at these events with their friends and have a good time.

 

sure.., it's natural for observers to be interested in which boat is the fastest - but you don't need a rating system for that - just look at elapsed times

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US7070- hit the nail on the head.

 

The concern is the fun element is disappearing.

 

There will never be a perfect or fair rating system..the spectrum between how boats approach, prepare, spend money and pros vs friends is too large for it ever to work..let's bring back some fun.

 

Personally I love battling it out with CoCo and Elvis and Zen!

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In all honesty, I'm pretty disappointed by the HH performance. The 15 yr old Gunboat design is as fast as the all new, all carbon HH. I expected the HH to wipe the floor with the GB's in the light conditions. Good news for GB.

Nils, as you are aware HH Catamarans stands for Hudson and Hakes; we put our names behind the brand, so when someone comments on being “disappointed” it is taken personally!

Three races and R-Six took 1st, 2nd, 1st. This is the yachts debut yacht race, the owners first ever yacht race, a significant milestone and great success in launching our new name. The yacht landed in Valencia at the end of June, 3 weeks later the owner took it on holiday cruising to Corsica, Palma, and then back to Valencia. It had its debut showing at the Cannes Boat Show, then back to Palma for this fantastic regatta.

 

I can assure you Nils this owner is far from disappointed; he even turned up at the show to be a proud man banging his chest and showing people his beautiful pride and joy. Just to recap this yacht has 2 x Gensets, 2 x water makers, 1x sewage treatment plant, 80,000BTU air conditioning, 2 x fridges, 2 x freezers, 36 bottle wine chiller, ice maker, 2 x TVs, full size washer dryer, bow thruster, sound insulated machinery and engine spaces, electric davit winch, push button dagger boards, push button mainsheet….actually more luxury than the acclaimed Gunboat 90, and you are disappointed?

 

A good handicapping rule, simply means the boat when sailed well can sail to its rating, no silver bullets, and no outcasts. Under most handicapping rules every yacht can have its day (weather dependant), but yet to win a race a yacht must still be well designed, well built, well prepared, and well sailed. Seems R-Six ticks all the boxes for three races. This is the winners podium Nils, bye bye. But do stay tuned as sister ship HH66-02 “Night Fury” heads to the Raja Muda regatta and then the renowned Kings Cup regatta to hopefully continue the silverware plunder.

 

Many thanks to the organisers of the Multihull Cup regatta and all participants, by all accounts a stunning regatta that was immensely enjoyed by all. Let’s keep it mixed up to further promote this new forum of great racing and fun regattas that all owners can enjoy together.

 

 

 

You may now drop the mic.

 

But also, let's not get too carried away with a regatta that had 5 boats on it. All different. There are club races that see less than 10 boats out as a poor showing.

 

Let's be realistic here, HH 66 and the Gunboats are luxury yachts, not stripped down race boats. Which boat was more comfortable to live on during the regatta might be a better barometer of the better yacht than who won the race. The races were probably a lot of fun for the participants, but prove very little except that a few of us give a shit about the results and will argue about it on this thread. Soma seemed to strike a nerve with Paul, but realistically, very few people that would buy one of his boats are paying attention to this thread. I was on RSix in Cannes, and it is an impressive boat, all of the bells and whistles, well built with lots of innovations, and Paul should be proud of it irregardless of any race results. It is Soma's job to promote his brand and their new offerings, probably knocking the competition fits in there somewhere. RSix is the first boat of a new design and I would imagine that HH is learning a lot from this early testing. I would rather know how it handles on a long delivery than in a four hour race. The older Gunboats have already passed that test. I am sure that HH Catamarans will do fine as long as they continue to focus on producing quality yachts, time will tell us the rest. I look forward to hearing about the delivery of 6602 before passing judgement.

 

 

Here is an interesting way to look at the results. It is simply the maths of the numbers. What is really cool to learn is that it was only in the last beat of the last race that the crew really felt they were starting to learn the true potential as they eased of the height a fraction and leaned on the boat speed, finding their "6th Gear" as Gino put it.

 

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