J 121

[Crash 282]

Its so much easier to blame the committee, or person on the committee, than it is to just sail the boat you have to its full potential....

[jesposito 64]

17 hours ago, sailman said:

PHRF NE is a one man show?

Well at least the corruption is limited there

[Blur 51]

Lots of nerdy photos/details: http://www.blur.se/2017/09/26/j121-provsegling-newport-detaljer/

 

[ASP 117]

Saw it in Bristol earlier today. Maybe leaving the jib up and furled all the time isn't the best for it.....

[jlightning 1]

Annapolis boat show over, anybody who saw the 121 care to share their thoughts of their impressions of the look, design and build. Thanks.

[Grey Dawn 19]

5 hours ago, jlightning said:

Annapolis boat show over, anybody who saw the 121 care to share their thoughts of their impressions of the look, design and build. Thanks.

It looked very good to me. Similar to a J120, not surprisingly. It's got some nice performance features like water ballast and an inhauler to adjust the jib sheeting angles. Controls were well set up in the cockpit. The interior looked fine for cruising as well. I didn't sail on it, though.

[Eagle 0]

First post in 10 months!

The 121, has existed now for 2 months and is being put through its paces.  Easily the most sophisticated, powered-up J, yet even easier to do more with than previous J efforts. 

[ryley 200]

On 9/7/2017 at 2:48 PM, sailman said:

PHRF NE is a one man show?

for all intents and purposes. they say there's a "committee" but so far it's mostly been Bump.

[ryley 200]

On 9/7/2017 at 5:02 PM, Crash said:

Its so much easier to blame the committee, or person on the committee, than it is to just sail the boat you have to its full potential....

J111 base ratings:

PHRF-NE: 42

ECSA: 36

YRALIS: 30

PHRF ELI: 39

So when you're sailing YOUR boat to its full potential in PHRF-NE, but the other skipper doesn't need to sail his to ITS full potential... you should feel happy that you sailed the boat to its potential and still lost? cool!

[RATM 42]

Those inhaulers are so clearly an after thought. That hardware is going to bang around and chip the hell out of everything. The real give away that they're an after the fact add on is the jib sheet rubbing the grap handle.

[Crash 282]

3 hours ago, ryley said:

J111 base ratings:

PHRF-NE: 42

ECSA: 36

YRALIS: 30

PHRF ELI: 39

So when you're sailing YOUR boat to its full potential in PHRF-NE, but the other skipper doesn't need to sail his to ITS full potential... you should feel happy that you sailed the boat to its potential and still lost? cool!

I know you know this, but have to see what other boats a J-111 would be racing against rate in those regions.  If every other boat in the J-111's YRALIS fleet rate the same in both PHRF-NE and YRALIS , then you have a great case.  If those other boats are rated the same or slower in YRALIS then they are in PHRF-NE, then you have less of a point.

PHRF is far from perfect.  But I generally have found the PHRF ratings on the J/Boats site to be pretty honest and realistic, whether I was racing a J/Boat I owned (J-24, J/109) or racing against J/Boats on the other boats I've owned (Bene First 30E, Santana 30/30, S2 9.1).  It says a J/111 is a 42 and the control boat, a J-44 is a 27.

OBTW there is only a 3 sec difference for the J-44's rating between PHRF-NE (27) and YRALIS (30)...so there is a +15 sec difference between a J-44 and a J-111 in both J/Boats recommended PHRF ratings and in PHRF-NE, yet YRALIS believes them to be even?  So it seems to be that YRALIS is way overly penalizing the J-111, and not the other way around...but I'm sure you can come up with other boats that make a different case. 

I guess my takeaway after racing in PHRF for 30 years is that life is too short to get all wrapped around the axle about ratings....if I'm on my boat, sailing with my buds, then I'm happy...If I win, great.  But its not my goal in PHRF.  If I wanted to be more serious, I wouldn't race PHRF.

[CrushDigital 17]

15 hours ago, RATM said:

Those inhaulers are so clearly an after thought. That hardware is going to bang around and chip the hell out of everything. The real give away that they're an after the fact add on is the jib sheet rubbing the grap handle.

I dunno, to me it looks like just about every other inhauler setup on a boat with a proper cabin.  There are some geometry issues you just can't do anything about.

On the other hand, maybe they look like an afterthought because it seems that the sheets are being led wrong.  is it possible the jib sheet is going straight back from the inhauler to the fairlead, skipping the jib car?  Maybe that's what J Boats intended, but then why bother installing a jib track at all, save the money and weight and spec free floating leads or small transverse tracks.

The biggest thing I don't love is the way all the wiring exits the mast above deck between the vang attachment and the mast base blocks.  That's a very busy area. Also, speaking as someone who spends a bit of time at the nav station, when the hell are designers going to stop making the nav table a storage area?  I can't think of any good reason to do that.

[ryley 200]

Crash,

I agree with your general feelings about PHRF and ratings and how wound up we should all get. But the fact is that every region is a crap shoot as to how boats in similar classes get hit. the 111 is definitely an outlier compared to most Jboats and how they're treated across different phrf areas, and there's some history to the 111 rating and how it got to 42 in the first place. That said, yes, it's mostly about the fun factor when you sail handicap

[Streetwise 34]

US Sailing members can download the current PHRF Fleets by Class document and see all the current National Reference Ratings, as well as compare regional data as reported to US Sailing.

http://www.ussailing.org/racing/offshore-big-boats/phrf-handicaps

J/111 NRR is 39

[Grey Dawn 19]

The inhaulers seem to have the effect of many parallel jib tracks.

It does get busy near the mast.

[RATM 42]

2 hours ago, CrushDigital said:

I dunno, to me it looks like just about every other inhauler setup on a boat with a proper cabin.  There are some geometry issues you just can't do anything about.

On the other hand, maybe they look like an afterthought because it seems that the sheets are being led wrong.  is it possible the jib sheet is going straight back from the inhauler to the fairlead, skipping the jib car?  Maybe that's what J Boats intended, but then why bother installing a jib track at all, save the money and weight and spec free floating leads or small transverse tracks.

The biggest thing I don't love is the way all the wiring exits the mast above deck between the vang attachment and the mast base blocks.  That's a very busy area. Also, speaking as someone who spends a bit of time at the nav station, when the hell are designers going to stop making the nav table a storage area?  I can't think of any good reason to do that.

Trust me, that setup has "cracked Plexiglas" written all over it. The last photo shows the inboard inhauler line OVER the vang line. You used the phrase "proper cabin". Maybe there are some boats where these things just don't belong.

My problem with these things is that for the average sailor, they're just noise. Your inhauler angle means shit when you sail on a knock for 3 minutes

[CrushDigital 17]

I can't agree at all that an inhauler is "just noise". They have just as large an impact on your ability to go upwind as just about any other single adjustment on the boat.  You're kind of crapping all over the average sailor if you don't think the crew can remember one additional setting. That same argument could be applied to just about everything beyond the sheet and halyard.  How's it any different from adjusting a jib car?

I'm not disagreeing that the configuration isn't ideal but I also don't think it's so horrible either.  The inhauler arrangement is very similar to what every 111 uses, and while sure if you don't put a few wraps of tape around the ring you risk scratching the gelcoat, I've honestly never seen issues beyond that.  Like most new boats, as more get into the hands of racers, the most optimal ways to rig them will be developed.

[Kack 33]

I thought the same things about the inhaulers, wiring and the midship deck in general. The inhaulers trapping the control lines to the deck really just looks like a hassle.  Trying to sneak a tack line out that’s pinned by an inhauler control line just seems frustrating. That stepped rail where the deck is glued on looks painful for hiking all day too. 

Time will tell. If the fleet builds to the sizes 

[Blur 51]

17 hours ago, CrushDigital said:

I can't agree at all that an inhauler is "just noise". They have just as large an impact on your ability to go upwind as just about any other single adjustment on the boat.  

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+1 I would argue that the infucker is essential on this type of boat, and the first thing people add on modern boat that doesn't have them.

The reason for the mix of "floating" and "track" on the J/121 is to give maximum flexibility for the sailmakers. We're seeing similar combos of track/soft on JPK/Figaro/Class 40s.

On damage, we've run unprotected rings on the J/111 for 12.000 nm, with just 2-3 small gelcoat dents.

[RATM 42]

2 hours ago, Blur said:

+1 I would argue that the infucker is essential on this type of boat, and the first thing people add on modern boat that doesn't have them.

The reason for the mix of "floating" and "track" on the J/121 is to give maximum flexibility for the sailmakers. We're seeing similar combos of track/soft on JPK/Figaro/Class 40s.

On damage, we've run unprotected rings on the J/111 for 12.000 nm, with just 2-3 small gelcoat dents.

You have to admit that the J/111 set up is much simpler. The 111 has a break in the hand rail to allow for the hardware to move around. 

[Blur 51]

2 hours ago, RATM said:

You have to admit that the J/111 set up is much simpler. The 111 has a break in the hand rail to allow for the hardware to move around. 

Yup. And the 121 will to (changed from #1)

The 111 is very well set up for the normal jibs, but when we run a J0 (code cut like a big jib, sheeted through the infucker) we're really pushing the limits. Ideally, we'd need 20 cm more track. This is addressed with the 121.

[Car Ramrod 10]

On 10/16/2017 at 3:04 PM, RATM said:

Trust me, that setup has "cracked Plexiglas" written all over it. The last photo shows the inboard inhauler line OVER the vang line. You used the phrase "proper cabin". Maybe there are some boats where these things just don't belong.

My problem with these things is that for the average sailor, they're just noise. Your inhauler angle means shit when you sail on a knock for 3 minutes

You must be talking about the below-average sailor. Because anyone racing a boat with non overlapping headsails who ISN'T proficient at inhaulers will be shot out the back of the pack every time, without exception. Perfect tactics or not. 

[J28 880]

I believe the 121 is the first large Jboat with a deck stepped mast and the decision to go with that is interesting.  Never saw (or heard of) Ubi Maior gear but it looks like good stuff, especially the jib furler.

Lots to like about the 121, but there sure is a lot of string to pull, at least as rigged on the boat in the photos on Blur’s site, especially for a boat that is targeted toward the short-handed sailing segment.  Also, with 2 or 3 jibs, 2 or 3 spins on furlers, the solent (also on a furler), the sail inventory isn’t going to leave a lot of space belowdecks when not jammed in that space up in the bow.  But then again, I’m an old guy.  

All in all, if I were in the market for a new boat and had $500ish boat dollars, I’d give it a serious look.

 

[Crash 282]

Well, its really meant as a short-handed race boat....so you still want/need to be able to tweek sail trim for max speed.  Might not do it as often, but are still doing it...Also, with short crew racing, only need to sleep 2 or 3, so plenty of room for all those sails.

If short handed cruising, you can ignore some of the strings (inhualers, etc) and only go with the heavier, small jib and one small asym.  So plenty of room then

 

[J28 880]

My interest would primarily be short handed cruising, and I agree 1 jib, 1 asym would be a good inventory for that purpose.  I would put the asym in a sock vs furler and it would stow nicely in that bow area, leaving the rest of the interior open.  With a sock you can hoist and drop right through the foredeck hatch (which we do on our current 36er, albeit no sprit).  I would simplify the jib sheeting to just traditional jib cars, although the ring system used on the Pogos is intriguing with lighter weight, lower cost and more adjustability, with the downside being more of a trip hazard on the side decks (I’m old so that matters to me).  The removable inner forestay and Solent is a neat idea, but I don’t think I would spec that.

[widget 5]

 

9 hours ago, J28 said:

My interest would primarily be short handed cruising, and I agree 1 jib, 1 asym would be a good inventory for that purpose.  I would put the asym in a sock vs furler and it would stow nicely in that bow area, leaving the rest of the interior open.  With a sock you can hoist and drop right through the foredeck hatch (which we do on our current 36er, albeit no sprit).  I would simplify the jib sheeting to just traditional jib cars, although the ring system used on the Pogos is intriguing with lighter weight, lower cost and more adjustability, with the downside being more of a trip hazard on the side decks (I’m old so that matters to me).  The removable inner forestay and Solent is a neat idea, but I don’t think I would spec that.

Anyone thinking of resale even down the road would be wise to not get to carried away on the custom spec front.  It's to early to tell if they'll ever have a OD.  I doubt it at the price point and specific target market, but what do I know. 

Cool boat nevertheless.  It will be good to hear some more first hand experience on performance and sailing characteristics. 

[Eagle 0]

Widget,

Having single handed my 120 for years, and having test sailed the 121, I believe the 121 will be easier and safer to single hand notwithstanding the additional water ballast controls.  The cockpit is spacious and ergonomic far beyond the 120.  In terms of performance, to say that it is faster, accelerates better and is more maneuverable than the 25 year old 120 misses the point.  It needs to be compared to other current designs.  I do not have experience in other current offerings, but expect the 121 to compare quite favorably in the short handed category.

[slug zitski 101]

The J looks nice.  Plenty of boats look nice. 

 

For shorthanded work   Its cockpit is compromised with those steering wheels.

 

the French do it better.  The JPK10.80 for instance  .plenty fast and user friendly  

http://www.yachtingworld.com/yachts-and-gear/the-french-jpk-1080-ticks-all-the-boxes-for-a-successful-racing-keelboat-says-matthew-sheahan-64916

 

 

.a JPK just won the Middle Sea Race  

 

http://www.rolexmiddlesearace.com/index.cfm

 

 

 

[CrushDigital 17]

What's wrong with steering wheels on an offshore boat?  Tillers are great but for those times when your sailing is measured in days instead of hours, I'd much rather have a wheel.

[slug zitski 101]

16 hours ago, CrushDigital said:

What's wrong with steering wheels on an offshore boat?  Tillers are great but for those times when your sailing is measured in days instead of hours, I'd much rather have a wheel.

To ease a sheet or adjust any sail controls  the helmsman needs three meter long arms.

 

to get a hot cup of coffee or a sparked up Marlboro  Light  from the companionway the helmsman will need four meter long arms . 

 

on a long tack a helmsman behind a wheel will be standing on one leg for many hours.  If your a single leg type a guy ts ok...ive got two legs, i prefer both to be locked onto  the cockpit floor 

a tiller alows the helmsman to hunker down low..clear of incoming flying fish and troublesome waves. 

 

the wheels force all sail controls forward...the aft end of the cockpit , behind the helmsman is wasted real estate

 

....i could go on and on about wheels on small boats but in the end the client  is always correct

 

its upto you 

[IMR 24]

Would be nice to see a set up like the TP52/Pac 52's where the boat can switch between a tiller and wheels depending on the course and use.   Double-handed racing (tiller), around the cans (tiller), Offshore with a crew (wheel). 

[J28 880]

On 11/1/2017 at 11:10 AM, CrushDigital said:

What's wrong with steering wheels on an offshore boat?  Tillers are great but for those times when your sailing is measured in days instead of hours, I'd much rather have a wheel.

I'd much rather have an NKE autopilot (if I'm sailing solo or short-handed).

[Blur 51]

13 minutes ago, J28 said:

I'd much rather have an NKE autopilot (if I'm sailing solo or short-handed).

+1

On the J/111 I feel the wheel lets me drive the boat harder/longer in downwind conditions when the autopilot struggles. Also, I get a better overview of waves and what's going on to windward which is much harder with a tiller on ex Class 40. And with a crew, people tend to get in the way...

I can see the benefits of both setups, with weight as an important factor for a tiller, but for a multi-purpose boat as the J/121 I think twin wheels makes sense and is the "conservative" option ;-)

 

[slug zitski 101]

44 minutes ago, J28 said:

I'd much rather have an NKE autopilot (if I'm sailing solo or short-handed).

The J will eat autopliots...it doesnt matter what brand.   Boats  with a large , single , rudder always overpower autopilots.

this is one of the main reasons shorthanders go with  twin rudder configuations..to unload the auto and to track straight 

 

 

[Roleur 97]

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7 minutes ago, slug zitski said:

The J will eat autopliots...it doesnt matter what brand.   Boats  with a large , single , rudder always overpower autopilots.

this is one of the main reasons shorthanders go with  twin rudder configuations..to unload the auto and to track straight 

 

 

Interesting.  I'll have to let the NKE on my J/120 know this.  So far, it's only steered about 10,000nm offshore (Trans Atlantic, CA to Hawaii to WA).

Having raced double-handed to Hawaii on the J/120 with a wheel and double-handed on a smaller boat with a tiller, I'll take the wheel (and autopilot) for offshore racing.  It took 6 months for my shoulder to recover from 12 hours of driving for 11 days with a tiller and I couldn't sit down by the last day thanks to boat butt.  The ride on the 120 was a cruise by comparison.  

[J28 880]

Jboats almost never miss the mark, and they've done a great job with the 121.  However, the twin wheels vs. tiller debates illustrates the tradeoffs that have to made in a dual, or even triple-purpose boat.  I wonder if some buyers would opt for a tiller if it were offered?

[MauiPunter 358]

1 hour ago, J28 said:

Jboats almost never miss the mark, and they've done a great job with the 121.  However, the twin wheels vs. tiller debates illustrates the tradeoffs that have to made in a dual, or even triple-purpose boat.  I wonder if some buyers would opt for a tiller if it were offered?

It shows how impossible this business can be.

[Blur 51]

14 hours ago, slug zitski said:

The J will eat autopliots...it doesnt matter what brand.   Boats  with a large , single , rudder always overpower autopilots.

this is one of the main reasons shorthanders go with  twin rudder configuations..to unload the auto and to track straight 

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I'm not sure where this experience come from since there are many boats that do extremely well shorthanded with single rudder. Your statement is true for wide designs like Figaro 2, JPK or Pogo, but not for this kind of "narrower" design.

I'm able to run the J/111 with very little effort from my NKE. Upwind is never any issue as the helm never loads up as the boat heels. Downwind, the boats naturally lack form stability vs an open-style-design, so there's no point in pushing it. NKE ok 90% of the time downwind vs 95% on wider, twin-rudder boats. 

[ASP 117]

Apparently one of the first 121's is going to an owner in Portland OR. Owner of a J46..

[Roleur 97]

4 hours ago, ASP said:

Apparently one of the first 121's is going to an owner in Portland OR. Owner of a J46..

Riva, I suppose?

Hope that means we'll see it in Pac Cup, OO, and Swiftsure soon  

 

 

[ASP 117]

5 minutes ago, Roleur said:

Riva, I suppose?

Hope that means we'll see it in Pac Cup, OO, and Swiftsure soon  

 

 

And supposedly Van Isle 2019. Curious to see how it stacks up against the 125 and the other 40's.

[CordRipper 5]

36 minutes ago, ASP said:

And supposedly Van Isle 2019. Curious to see how it stacks up against the 125 and the other 40's.

https://www.sailingworld.com/best-crossover-j-121?src=SOC&dom=fb

 

[JL92S 75]

18 hours ago, CordRipper said:

https://www.sailingworld.com/best-crossover-j-121?src=SOC&dom=fb

 

I'm not familiar with the category for "best crossover" did they create this catagory for the 121?

[CordRipper 5]

1 hour ago, JL92S said:

I'm not familiar with the category for "best crossover" did they create this catagory for the 121?

They've had it for a few years, J/112E got it last year and the Grand Soleil 43 the year before. Essentially best racer/cruiser

[bshores 0]

So how many have been built launched to date?  Saw somewhere hull #4 had been splashed and is shipping to the Caribbean for the winter circuit.

[Hold Fast 33]

they're saying hull #5 is coming to Melbourne. 

there's s pretty decent fleet of J111's here at the moment, so if the 121 end up in the hands of someone keen on racing we should see some good comparisons. 

[FoggiestIdea 0]

Hull #2 splashed in Riviera Beach this past weekend, soon to be on her way to the Caribbean.

[Eagle 0]

I understand there are 18 orders.  Mine is #6 headed to Western Long Island Sound.  I have not heard of any others coming to WLIS yet..  Plenty of sail for those light summer breezes, yet ready to throw down when the breeze comes on.

[IMR 24]

I want to see how they shake out against the 111 and the 125.   Are any headed to the Bay Area? 

[ASP 117]

1 hour ago, Ian Rogers said:

I want to see how they shake out against the 111 and the 125.   Are any headed to the Bay Area? 

Probably smack dab in the middle. J121 might hang on to the 125 upwind... but reaching or running....forget about it. 

[Blur 51]

Just visited #5 at boot Düsseldorf, going to the east coat in UK. Was there with Fredrikj from Stockholm who's going to get #10 in may.

Photos at the end of this gallery: 

 

[longy 211]

On 11/2/2017 at 9:10 AM, slug zitski said:

The J will eat autopliots...it doesnt matter what brand.   Boats  with a large , single , rudder always overpower autopilots.

this is one of the main reasons shorthanders go with  twin rudder configuations..to unload the auto and to track straight 

 

 

Boats designed for s/h have no weather helm designed in to un-load the rudders

[bowboy 1]

On 1/19/2018 at 3:35 PM, Eagle said:

I understand there are 18 orders.  Mine is #6 headed to Western Long Island Sound.  I have not heard of any others coming to WLIS yet..  Plenty of sail for those light summer breezes, yet ready to throw down when the breeze comes on.

Hey Eagle, have you heard anything about likely rating for the boat, in any rating system? Thanks!

[WHK 30]

35 minutes ago, bowboy said:

Hey Eagle, have you heard anything about likely rating for the boat, in any rating system? Thanks!

Hull #1 had a provisional PHRF-NB rating last year of 30 spinnaker and 49 Non-Spinnaker.   They placed 3rd in class J in the 2017 Conanicut Around the Island race.

[bowboy 1]

On 1/27/2018 at 12:26 PM, WHK said:

Hull #1 had a provisional PHRF-NB rating last year of 30 spinnaker and 49 Non-Spinnaker.   They placed 3rd in class J in the 2017 Conanicut Around the Island race.

That's helpful, thanks! Any info / intel on ORR or IRC? 

 

[squiby 2]

On 1/27/2018 at 1:26 PM, WHK said:

Hull #1 had a provisional PHRF-NB rating last year of 30 spinnaker and 49 Non-Spinnaker.   They placed 3rd in class J in the 2017 Conanicut Around the Island race.

PHRF-NB rates a J/122 only 6 seconds slower at 36. I doubt that 30 rating will last. According to the numbers, it's a significantly lighter and stiffer boat.

[crashtestdummy 2]

Of course it will stick.....or go up!  It’s what J boat does!  They are too connected to leta phrf rating beat them

[Crash 282]

Even if it’s unfair to their other new boats???

of course, there’s folks who think the Patriots cheat in underhanded ways too ; )

[bowboy 1]

6 hours ago, Crash said:

Even if it’s unfair to their other new boats???

of course, there’s folks who think the Patriots cheat in underhanded ways too ; )

Yep, J haters and Pats haters have one thing in common: they both fucking suck. 

[CordRipper 5]

On 1/27/2018 at 12:44 PM, bowboy said:

Hey Eagle, have you heard anything about likely rating for the boat, in any rating system? Thanks!

Don't have our rating yet. The powers that be are still discussing how to handle the water ballast vs fully crewed issue.

[sunseeker 92]

13 hours ago, CordRipper said:

Don't have our rating yet. The powers that be are still discussing how to handle the water ballast vs fully crewed issue.

It’s all just weight on the rail, so what’s really to decide?

[Blur 51]

3 hours ago, sunseeker said:

It’s all just weight on the rail, so what’s really to decide?

Except that you get rid of it downwind and in light breeze 

[sunseeker 92]

1 hour ago, Blur said:

Except that you get rid of it downwind and in light breeze 

It’s not the first boat on the planet with water ballast.

of course, PHRF will have variations from region to region. 

[CordRipper 5]

2 hours ago, sunseeker said:

It’s not the first boat on the planet with water ballast.

of course, PHRF will have variations from region to region. 

to clarify, PHRF is still discussing, and we don't have an IRC yet b/c the boat is being built. Have not heard about ratings for the other boats aside from the 30 PHRF mentioned earlier

[Eagle 0]

3 signed up to go to Bermuda already.

[Stu McCrea 1]

14 hours ago, Eagle said:

3 signed up to go to Bermuda already.

Yup an 8 J120s. Will be fun to see how the new J121 goes against other J's (44, 122, 120, 125)

[Greyhound37 46]

121 just docked in West Palm Beach. Heading to St Maartin. 

[FoggiestIdea 0]

4 hours ago, Greyhound37 said:

121 just docked in West Palm Beach. Heading to St Maartin. 

Should be a fun ride...

[JL92S 75]

Saw a 121 arrive on a truck to Hamble at the weekend. I’ll be looking forward to seeing it out and about.

[EDCURACAO 1]

Apollo sailed first race in Heineken Regatta @ St. Maarten http://regattaguru.com/heineken/100237/class_results/101005

Solid 1st place.

 

[JL92S 75]

So it would appear the J121 has an irc rating of 1.138 which is still non endorsed and uncertain if that includes the water ballast

[EDCURACAO 1]

In CSA the j121 rates 0.993 (with waterballast)

compare to j122 who has 0.955 in CSA ( 1.089 in IRC)

[Emerald 0]

On 3/3/2018 at 8:11 AM, edwinversteeg said:

Apollo sailed first race in Heineken Regatta @ St. Maarten http://regattaguru.com/heineken/100237/class_results/101005

Solid 1st place.

 

Apollo was dropped to 3rd after a protest, anyone have details on it?

http://regattaguru.com/heineken/100237/protest/10422

[mustang__1 270]

interesting mainsheet setup. First time i'm in a while i've seen a non-german mainsheet. 

[ASP 117]

14 minutes ago, mustang__1 said:

interesting mainsheet setup. First time i'm in a while i've seen a non-german mainsheet. 

Apparently, the system doesn't work all that well and needs tweaking. 

[rfcooke 0]

The J-121 looks nice but how is it going to get around Racing Rule 51 MOVABLE BALLAST which in part states; Water, dead weight or ballast shall not be moved for the purpose of changing trim or stability. 

[ASP 117]

1 hour ago, rfcooke said:

The J-121 looks nice but how is it going to get around Racing Rule 51 MOVABLE BALLAST which in part states; Water, dead weight or ballast shall not be moved for the purpose of changing trim or stability. 

Most major races have provisions for this rule....ie basically every race. 

[jackolantern 316]

1 hour ago, ASP said:

Most major races have provisions for this rule....ie basically every race. 

Sassy

[JL92S 75]

J121 Rock Lobster just finished it’s first IRC regatta in the UK, 2 days racing (3rd day cancelled) day 1 12-18kts, day 2 sub 10kts. They finished up 9th out of 16 entries in a mixed fleet of mixed 40 footers and some sportsboats

[Hallpass 1]

I saw J121 Jackhammer with UK sails has a small fixed bowsprit. Whats the use for that vs the retractable bowsprit the boat comes with? 

[ASP 117]

40 minutes ago, Hall22 said:

I saw J121 Jackhammer with UK sails has a small fixed bowsprit. Whats the use for that vs the retractable bowsprit the boat comes with? 

Likely some sort of code sail: A0, BRO, FRO, MHO, J0 etc...

[Hold Fast 33]

mmmm i want one

[JL92S 75]

12 hours ago, ASP said:

Likely some sort of code sail: A0, BRO, FRO, MHO, J0 etc...

I have seen their J125 with the same layout and yes it’s to carry a code sail with greater luff tension that isn’t too large.

[CordRipper 5]

2 hours ago, JL92S said:

I have seen their J125 with the same layout and yes it’s to carry a code sail with greater luff tension that isn’t too large.

Looks like they're flying an A0 and a flying jib off the mini prod

https://www.facebook.com/UK-Sailmakers-49996867736/?notif_id=1523211613509177&notif_t=page_post_liker_invite

[GBR803 5]

On 01/04/2018 at 11:10 AM, JL92S said:

J121 Rock Lobster just finished it’s first IRC regatta in the UK, 2 days racing (3rd day cancelled) day 1 12-18kts, day 2 sub 10kts. They finished up 9th out of 16 entries in a mixed fleet of mixed 40 footers and some sportsboats

Yes, having raced against it that weekend I have to say it seems very slow for its rating. Not good at all in fact! 

Perhaps it's not ideal for inshore windward leeward racing, but you'd expect it to be able to beat a 111 around a course...

[FoggiestIdea 0]

1 hour ago, GBR803 said:

Yes, having raced against it that weekend I have to say it seems very slow for its rating. Not good at all in fact! 

Perhaps it's not ideal for inshore windward leeward racing, but you'd expect it to be able to beat a 111 around a course...

If that was their first event with the boat then I’d say they are still learning how to make it go.

A J121 is definitely faster than a J111.

[ASP 117]

9 hours ago, JL92S said:

I have seen their J125 with the same layout and yes it’s to carry a code sail with greater luff tension that isn’t too large.

is that 125 still in the UK?

[squiby 2]

I saw a youtube video of Jackhammer and it's fixed sprit. They're using it for a Flying Jib as well as the Code 0 flown from the short, fixed sprit. 

When do you think they'd use the Flying Jib? It appears to be sheeted inboard but I can see a fair bit of leech sag above the furling drum. I can't imagine it will point as high as the J1. Is it only for close reaching that's a bit tighter than the code zero can go? Would it be sized to the same LP and area as the J1 to avoid a ratings adjustment?

 

[Shadowman 2]

Power reaching sail, to be used mainly when too much wind to use your zero. Same size as Jib so rated on IRC as a jib. Would be the modern option instead of a High clew reacher. IRC amended the rules last year to allow Jibs to be flown off a sprit without penalty . Best used with a Jib Staysail. Sheeted to the rail.  Video doesn't show it at its best, as it wasn't enough wind to show it in its optimum conditions. 

[Amati 711]

On 10/14/2016 at 9:29 AM, Raz'r said:

 

vs Expectations:

 

a bit heavier

shallower

not as fast

a bit more

 

 

but still a very nice concept

Skinnier might help all of the above......

and still keep it a very very nice concept-

[Amati 711]

On 4/29/2018 at 8:24 AM, squiby said:

I saw a youtube video of Jackhammer and it's fixed sprit. They're using it for a Flying Jib as well as the Code 0 flown from the short, fixed sprit. 

When do you think they'd use the Flying Jib? It appears to be sheeted inboard but I can see a fair bit of leech sag above the furling drum. I can't imagine it will point as high as the J1. Is it only for close reaching that's a bit tighter than the code zero can go? Would it be sized to the same LP and area as the J1 to avoid a ratings adjustment?

 

What is the bright line between high aspect ratio and reaching?  It’s a lot of skinny sail area bunched up really high- at what downwind angle does drag (and weight) start to aid speed vs heeling?

[RATM 42]

51 minutes ago, Amati said:

What is the bright line between high aspect ratio and reaching?  It’s a lot of skinny sail area bunched up really high- at what downwind angle does drag (and weight) start to aid speed vs heeling?

Looks like the pig tail on the clew of the flying jib. The lazy sheet goes forward around the forestay. I have to admit this is a pretty cool setup. It looks like they sheet the flying jib between the D1 and the V1 shrouds? An earlier post mentioned that the flying jib measures in as a jib so I'm assuming that they could run it up the forestay. Nice to have options when heading offshore.

[jlightning 1]

Couple of clips posted on jboats_media instagram of 121’s tuning up. 

https://instagram.com/p/BiqPsD1DTZj/

https://instagram.com/p/BiqQ5FvjfLu/

https://instagram.com/p/BiqNuSLjyH4/

 

[woodpecker 17]

PHRF-NE is posting a 30 Rating without using water ballast.