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Laser Wood Blades

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The class rules say wood blades may only be used on Lasers originally supplied with wood blades.

 

OK..., which ones came with wood blades??

 

Supplied by whom is not mentioned.

 

If a dealer gets a boat from the builder with no blades and that dealer has access to sets of original class legal builder supplied wood blades and sells the boat with those wood blades, may that boat forever use wood blades??

 

Hint: Somebody just might know of such a boat sitting at a dealership and he may give a set of wood blades to the dealer so somebody can buy "a boat originally supplied with wood blades."

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originally

 

adverb

1.

from or in the beginning; at first.

"potatoes originally came from South America"

synonyms: at first, first, in/at the beginning, to begin with, initially, in the first place, at the start, at the outset, in the first instance, from day one; informalfrom the word go

"the conference was originally scheduled for November"

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Why would anyone bother or care? A 45 year old Laser is going to be so far off the mark performance wise that any advantage from wood foils would be dwarfed by the advantages of just getting a new boat...

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My 24950, bought in 1975, had wooden foils. My son's first Laser was 79003 or thereabouts, and it had wooden foils when we bought it secondhand or third/fourth hand in about 2000, but I couldn't swear it was supplied with wooden foils when new.

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Surely the foils have to be supplied by the regional superpower e.g. LPE? And confirm to the builders manual etc. You can't just get a nice set of foils made, hand them to your dealer and claim he has supplied you with class legal foils. Just because they are made from wood doesn't assure they are de facto class legal.

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#17123 from 1974 has wooden boards. HIN PFS171230674. I bought it from original purchaser Jeff Rauch in 1977. Original sail has stamp on it from 1975 Nationals where he placed third, I was told.

 

Also came with two copies of ILCA Constitution dated May 3, 1974. I suppose I could be persuaded to part with one....

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Is this a test to get into Harvard Law?

Yes, How did you do?

 

I can say 10103 had wood blades.

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Can't remember my old number, but it was something like 14300...1973 boat with wooden blades.

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The class rules say wood blades may only be used on Lasers originally supplied with wood blades.

OK..., which ones came with wood blades??

Supplied by whom is not mentioned.

If a dealer gets a boat from the builder with no blades and that dealer has access to sets of original class legal builder supplied wood blades and sells the boat with those wood blades, may that boat forever use wood blades??

Hint: Somebody just might know of such a boat sitting at a dealership and he may give a set of wood blades to the dealer so somebody can buy "a boat originally supplied with wood blades."

I think you answered your own question. ie the builder originally supplied the hull without foils, therefore wooden foils are specifically excluded for use on this hull.

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Noticed that my ex's Laser did not have wooden foils. HIN PSL321871275 indicates Dec 1975 manufacture, so the changeover was somewhere in 1975.

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The class rules say wood blades may only be used on Lasers originally supplied with wood blades.

OK..., which ones came with wood blades??

Supplied by whom is not mentioned.

If a dealer gets a boat from the builder with no blades and that dealer has access to sets of original class legal builder supplied wood blades and sells the boat with those wood blades, may that boat forever use wood blades??

Hint: Somebody just might know of such a boat sitting at a dealership and he may give a set of wood blades to the dealer so somebody can buy "a boat originally supplied with wood blades."

I think you answered your own question. ie the builder originally supplied the hull without foils, therefore wooden foils are specifically excluded for use on this hull.
Ooh!!! That is an interesting interpretation.

However, the rule does not include the phrase "by the builder."

And

The issue is about blades and whether the originally supplied blades were wood

In your scenario the boat is NOT supplied with blades by the builder.

I believe the Laser is not a Laser until it has all its required parts.

The very first time the entire boat is gathered together it is the original Laser and whatever parts are there at that instant comprise the originally supplied parts for that Laser.

In practice?? I think when all the items are set in the giant cardboard box, original Laser has been established.

If the box is shipped from the builder to the dealer without all the parts necessary to be a Laser, that boat is not yet a Laser

When the parts show up a few days or weeks later and are mated with the rest of the package, the boat becomes a Laser and that equipment is the originally supplied equipment.

Summary: A boat that had no blades is neither fully originally supplied nor a Laser.

I find your suggestion to be very clever, seductive for those who wish to ban wood from my hypothetical, but ultimately without merit.

Think you might be trying to bend the fundamental class rule that no changes to boat are allowed unless specifically permitted by the class rules.and Fundamental Rule does, as you full know, go on to mention ILCA approved builders and strict conformance to the Construction manual etc. The most basic interpretation of your hypothetical case is that this new hull was not originally supplied with wood foils as the dates simply do not match.

More importantly Ywoodya want to use timber foils? I broke wood rudder blades in successive heats of the 79 worlds in Perth WA, before tearing the whole main sheet/hiking strap plate and a huge section of deck from the hull effectively ending my campaign. The new infusion moulded foils are a tiny bit better IMHO.

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Yeah ... I suppose

But the sloppily written rule should simply have a date of manufacture of the newest eligible hull

No wood on a hull made after 1980 would suffice

Alternatively the rule could be written...... Only hulls with the original gelcoat colours of orange, yellow, light blue, Royal blue, light green, dark green, or red can use timber foils provided that deck colour is Ivory. Monochromatic hulls in ice blue, Ivory etc are specifically excluded from using timber foils.

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In a rough scale of seriousness of Laser class potential problems I reckon this one scores about 1 point out of a maximum 100...

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The class rules say wood blades may only be used on Lasers originally supplied with wood blades.

 

OK..., which ones came with wood blades??

 

Supplied by whom is not mentioned.

 

If a dealer gets a boat from the builder with no blades and that dealer has access to sets of original class legal builder supplied wood blades and sells the boat with those wood blades, may that boat forever use wood blades??

 

Hint: Somebody just might know of such a boat sitting at a dealership and he may give a set of wood blades to the dealer so somebody can buy "a boat originally supplied with wood blades."

 

Wood blades are legal in most all frostbite fleets so head north and set yourself free!

 

They are also legal in all old laser sailor regattas if the wood blade has an uPtIp and the sailor can too.

 

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Ya ya Bla Blahhh.........

 

 

Going by your very own interpretation and application of Laser rules while you were class pres, not a single change can be made, nor any material be used in repair or refinishing than was existing in the boat's original manufacture. These rules of yours fundamentally changed the 'game' of laser sailing as you call it,,,, and were enforced well beyond the actions allowed in rule 26.

If yer apply your own 'rules' to the original wooden centerboards,,which were made with ~1/4'' trailing edge thickness, and finished only in simple varnish, this inquiry becomes more than a little redundant. :mellow:

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"Paging Gannt, Tillerman and Wess......

 

Please come to the information desk on the Laser Wood Blades thread....."

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"Paging Gannt, Tillerman and Wess......

 

Please come to the information desk on the Laser Wood Blades thread....."

 

Not me. I am not a fan of Gouv's views on Kirby, or the class and its officers/volunteers, but I do agree and share his interest in growing grass roots sailing and so kinda like the old crazy curmudgeon. No clue what is up with this Couch thing. Sounds like too much anger from everybody for too little/nothing a thing.

 

Tiller is off doing Aero stuff, and Canntt cant admit he was wrong so hides elsewhere.

 

Maybe Tiller will stop in though and offer up a wooden blades music video. That sounds like a challenge that might stump him!!

 

 

Ask the Torch Association.

 

 

Geeze, Phil that is funny. You owe me a keyboard as they say. Even after walking away with his windfall, and having the right to do it, he still didn't launch the Torch. Wish he had if it was an affordable "supplement" to the "class." But all I got is a membership, a belt and T-shirts. Canntt get me no Torch boat it seems... wooden blades or not.

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Geeze, so this where all the usual suspects have been hanging out for the last few weeks. I never even bothered to check this thread before since I figured that only old geezers even older than me and even more boring than me would care about wooden blades.

 

But I see that at its heart this is a "class rules interpretation" thread which means it will probably get about 4,000 posts before it runs out of steam.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv7FNyckr7w

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Geeze, so this where all the usual suspects have been hanging out for the last few weeks. I never even bothered to check this thread before since I figured that only old geezers even older than me and even more boring than me would care about wooden blades.

 

But I see that at its heart this is a "class rules interpretation" thread which means it will probably get about 4,000 posts before it runs out of steam.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jv7FNyckr7w

 

Drats; he defeated my video challenge yet again. And with one of my favorite videos that I previously posted.

 

That's it. I quit. I am going cruising!

 

Anybody want a Torch T-shirt... for sale cheap to a good home. It comes with wooden blades.

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My 24950, bought in 1975, had wooden foils. My son's first Laser was 79003 or thereabouts, and it had wooden foils when we bought it secondhand or third/fourth hand in about 2000, but I couldn't swear it was supplied with wooden foils when new.

25128 glass blades. That narrows the window

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"Paging Gannt, Tillerman and Wess......

 

Please come to the information desk on the Laser Wood Blades thread....."

 

I was looking for an excuse to use some of my old sets of gorgeous wood blades.

 

At least I can take my old wood Thistle to major events. There is something special about varnished mahogany and oiled teak.

The carbon fiber tillers are essential equipment but I miss my laminated wood tiller with a "cobra head" to clear the traveler cleat.

 

 

Frandt kinda killed the thread with logic and facts and ran a stake through its heart with common sense

 

 

When has common sense, logic or facts ever killed a thread on Sailing Anarchy?

 

Name me one.

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Ya ya Bla Blahhh.........

 

 

 

Going by your very own interpretation and application of Laser rules while you were class pres, not a single change can be made, nor any material be used in repair or refinishing than was existing in the boat's original manufacture. These rules of yours fundamentally changed the 'game' of laser sailing as you call it,,,, and were enforced well beyond the actions allowed in rule 26.

If yer apply your own 'rules' to the original wooden centerboards,,which were made with ~1/4'' trailing edge thickness, and finished only in simple varnish, this inquiry becomes more than a little redundant. :mellow:

I have Never been Class President

 

Don't open the discussion again about your alleged cheater boat

 

Every time you start spewing your lies about how that went you look more foolish.

 

Because I was visiting a regatta at a venue 2500 miles from my home and knew NO ONE WHO WAS INVOLVED IN A SITUATION

And because those running the event were aware I was a certified ILCA District 15 measurer who was appointed and certified in 1983, I was dragged into a shitfight to render an opinion. I looked briefly at your sailboat and gave my opinion about it. I thought they should let you sail your obviously modified boat.

Essentially, I stood up for you and stopped the lynch mob from throwing you out of a regatta.

 

You sailed that weekend on the boat that looked like way too much had been done to it because I stuck my neck out and said I sincerely doubted it would go faster than the pretty new ones.

 

The request was made you never bring that boat to another major event.

 

I suggested THAT DAY you had sufficient skills to fix up an old boat and make it identical to a new one.

 

I SUGGESTED THAT DAY you apply your talents such that the boat you would bring would be both affordable to you and LOOK LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE'S TOYS.

 

I SUGGESTED YOU HAD BROUGHT ALL THE GRIEF UPON YOURSELF AND ALMOST CERTAINLY I WOULD NOT EVER BE THERE AGAIN TO STAND UP FOR YOU.

 

I have never seen that boat again after that weekend so I have never been involved in dealing with your alleged cheater boats since that weekend

 

And... remember.... all I did was stand there discussing the boat and suggest you be allowed to sail.

 

I did race one more time in a regatta where you showed up and made a fool of yourself by going to a protest hearing and telling a wild story about a sailor tacking into another boat.

Everyone else in the hearing INCLUDING THE JUDGES WHO OBSERVED THE INCIDENT knew the sailor had approached the incident in question from well past the starboard layline and had not tacked for a very long time.

 

I have not seen you in the last 18 years.

 

 

 

That all happened LAST CENTURY!!!

 

What the fuck does it take to make you shut the fuck up about your alleged problems with somebody (NOT ME) who was a Laser Class President twenty fucking years ago???

 

PLEASE!! Go visit a shrink!!

 

I fully understand these posts of yours are just your insanity controlling you.

 

I don't hold it against you because I know you are mentally ill and cannot help it

 

I hope some day you get your problems under control.

 

In the meantime, PLEASE QUIT BRINGING UP THIS NONSENSE ABOUT ME BEING A CLASS PRESIDENT AND MAKING RULINGS ABOUT YOUR ALLEGED CHEATER TOYS.

 

IT NEVER HAPPENED!!!!!

 

Please see a shrink!!

 

 

My offer still stands to provide you with a boat and a place to stay anytime you can get yourself to Austin.

I am not certain I can deal with your insanity face to face but I will do my very best to help you A SECOND TIME to sail for a weekend.

 

yikes. couchsurfer, what is your retort to this thorough and complete take-down?

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I still own a few beach toy's.

 

USA 27361 has wood foils.= 1975

KC 50005 does not.= 1977

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yikes. couchsurfer, what is your retort to this thorough and complete take-down?

 

 

 

 

Ignore it as usual :)

 

 

fucktard can say what he wants.

 

... too bad he doesn't address the actual occurrence where his very strange interpretations of rule 26 were enforced.

 

 

 

you can't fix stupid! :mellow:

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yikes. couchsurfer, what is your retort to this thorough and complete take-down?

 

 

 

 

Ignore it as usual :)

 

 

fucktard can say what he wants.

 

... too bad he doesn't address the actual occurrence where his very strange interpretations of rule 26 were enforced.

 

 

 

you can't fix stupid! :mellow:

 

 

 

Who would have thought a discussion about Laser Wood Blades would be so interesting?

 

Maybe we can even get HWCBN back if we get into a debate about Rule 26. I never even knew it was controversial.

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Are you kidding Tiller? HWCBN canntt even begin to tell you all the controversy associated with:

 

  1. Repairs and preventative maintenance to the sail, hull, deck, centreboard, rudder, mast, boom or any fittings and fixings may be carried out without violation of these Rules provided such repairs are made in such a way that the essential shape, characteristics or function of the original are not affected.
  2. In the event of the failure of any fittings, or the replacement of fittings as authorised by these Rules, the fitting or the replacement shall be the same type as the original and shall be placed in a position conforming to the Measurement Diagrams.
  3. Preventative maintenance includes the replacement of fasteners (screws, bolts, nuts, washers and rivets) provide the replacement does not alter the function of the fitting. The tolerances of the Measurement Diagrams shall not be used to alter the position of fittings. In addition the reversing of spars is permitted if the fittings are replaced in accordance with the Measurement Diagrams. Any holes in the top section of the mast shall be permanently sealed with a rivet or similar to maintain the buoyancy of the mast.
  4. Sail panels and luff sleeves shall not be replaced.
  5. Any flotation equipment (flotation foam blocks or Cubitainer inserts) that is defective or has been removed shall be replaced by fully air filled, builder supplied, Cubitainer inserts which shall have an equal volume to the defective or removed flotation equipment.
  6. The use of lubricants is unrestricted except that they shall not be used on the hull (below the gunwales).

 

Wooden boards are not where the fun is... lets talk mast step repairs!

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yikes. couchsurfer, what is your retort to this thorough and complete take-down?

 

 

 

 

Ignore it as usual :)

 

 

fucktard can say what he wants.

 

... too bad he doesn't address the actual occurrence where his very strange interpretations of rule 26 were enforced.

 

 

 

you can't fix stupid! :mellow:

 

what the hell happened?

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Are you kidding Tiller? HWCBN canntt even begin to tell you all the controversy associated with:

 

  1. Repairs and preventative maintenance to the sail, hull, deck, centreboard, rudder, mast, boom or any fittings and fixings may be carried out without violation of these Rules provided such repairs are made in such a way that the essential shape, characteristics or function of the original are not affected.
  2. In the event of the failure of any fittings, or the replacement of fittings as authorised by these Rules, the fitting or the replacement shall be the same type as the original and shall be placed in a position conforming to the Measurement Diagrams.
  3. Preventative maintenance includes the replacement of fasteners (screws, bolts, nuts, washers and rivets) provide the replacement does not alter the function of the fitting. The tolerances of the Measurement Diagrams shall not be used to alter the position of fittings. In addition the reversing of spars is permitted if the fittings are replaced in accordance with the Measurement Diagrams. Any holes in the top section of the mast shall be permanently sealed with a rivet or similar to maintain the buoyancy of the mast.
  4. Sail panels and luff sleeves shall not be replaced.
  5. Any flotation equipment (flotation foam blocks or Cubitainer inserts) that is defective or has been removed shall be replaced by fully air filled, builder supplied, Cubitainer inserts which shall have an equal volume to the defective or removed flotation equipment.
  6. The use of lubricants is unrestricted except that they shall not be used on the hull (below the gunwales).

 

Wooden boards are not where the fun is... lets talk mast step repairs!

Interesting, I am just in the process of repairing mast step on a 181k series boat that must have been used on a sandy beach by the previous owner. After three attempts to stop leaks without cutting a hatch I relented and yesterday cut a hatch hole and gouged out the defective bog from the mast step. Now what rake is presently in favour??? This boat is 3800.

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Are you kidding Tiller? HWCBN canntt even begin to tell you all the controversy associated with:

 

  1. Repairs and preventative maintenance to the sail, hull, deck, centreboard, rudder, mast, boom or any fittings and fixings may be carried out without violation of these Rules provided such repairs are made in such a way that the essential shape, characteristics or function of the original are not affected.
  2. In the event of the failure of any fittings, or the replacement of fittings as authorised by these Rules, the fitting or the replacement shall be the same type as the original and shall be placed in a position conforming to the Measurement Diagrams.
  3. Preventative maintenance includes the replacement of fasteners (screws, bolts, nuts, washers and rivets) provide the replacement does not alter the function of the fitting. The tolerances of the Measurement Diagrams shall not be used to alter the position of fittings. In addition the reversing of spars is permitted if the fittings are replaced in accordance with the Measurement Diagrams. Any holes in the top section of the mast shall be permanently sealed with a rivet or similar to maintain the buoyancy of the mast.
  4. Sail panels and luff sleeves shall not be replaced.
  5. Any flotation equipment (flotation foam blocks or Cubitainer inserts) that is defective or has been removed shall be replaced by fully air filled, builder supplied, Cubitainer inserts which shall have an equal volume to the defective or removed flotation equipment.
  6. The use of lubricants is unrestricted except that they shall not be used on the hull (below the gunwales).

 

Wooden boards are not where the fun is... lets talk mast step repairs!

Interesting, I am just in the process of repairing mast step on a 181k series boat that must have been used on a sandy beach by the previous owner. After three attempts to stop leaks without cutting a hatch I relented and yesterday cut a hatch hole and gouged out the defective bog from the mast step. Now what rake is presently in favour??? This boat is 3800.

 

Heck, maybe just separate the hull and deck - easy enough to do and then to mate them again when done and makes repairs to the mast step less of a hassle. Dry everything out and check everything out. Ya might find some stress cracks, soft and suspect areas of the hull and deck while they are apart and perhaps repair them by adding some stringers... would that be OK?? The boat would be overweight of course and no faster than when new...

 

And no, I never did and that ain't no joke.

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....^^....wow, that's quite an extent to fix a mast step, even for doing a complete re-furb.

 

 

As in some stupid person showed up with that same boat at a subsequent regatta on Canada's west coast??


According to your previous rants, ILCA/NA VP Lainie Pardey, who. As described above, backed off on throwing you out at my request, refused to let you use the boat at a subsequent regatta.

I wasn't there and nobody sent me any videos.

Who is the guy who was allowed to sail because I went to bat for him??
Who is the guy who was tossed out because he ignored my friendly advice, "Don't bring this boat back because people who can and will want to grow it out."?
Who strictly enforced the rules?
Who simply made a judgement about the relative stiffness of the obviously modified boat and came down on the side of reasonableness??
For eighteen years you have continued to climb on my ass because you are such a mental case you cannot accept the fact I stood up for you!!!!

Please see a shrink!!!!!

And my invitation to race on a boat provided by me still stands!!!!

 

 

 

...all interesting in a blahblah sort of way, and more focus on the Rule26 event I was referring to, but seems like you missed a couple of relevant details.....

 

Lainey, did dis-allow my boat from the vancouver event, but WHY?... she made it clear that she was acting under instructions from YOU that my rule 26 boat not be allowed to sail. The only specific reason she gave was that the rebuild used different materials than were involved in the original build, she specifically mentioned epoxy and paint.

 

So there you were, a class officer of some sort, taking a view of my boat, making some sort of decree, 'went to bat' as you say,,, but you didn't take the opportunity to take a close, objective look at the boat in question! The next event, you're 2500 miles away, and have someone else do your strange bidding,,,, applying a totally wrong interpretation of rule 26!

 

I have no regret to say I had done an extensive rebuild and refinish on the boat. I was proud of it. I would have been happy to let you see the boat,open the ports, check weight and stiffness etc. I felt that the boat complied with rule 26 in every way,,.shape, characteristics and function...... until your ridiculous absentee interpretation of rule 26 was passed to another class officer to enforce.

 

In retrospect, I wish I had stood up to such a stupid ruling and asked for a proper investigation by properly qualified class officers rather than complying with the request, but I guess I was already moving on to other funner 'games' as you call them.

 

Soooo, whether it be your ridiculous behavior as a class officer, or the fackwad slam-dunk tack in the first leg of the first race of a major regatta, you shouldn't at this point expect me to look at you as anything other than the cowardice, braggart, loudmouth that you are.

I'm certainly not bothered to bring up your ridiculous interpretation of rule 26 in a thread like this., it actually seems rather appropriate. :)

 

 

 

Rule 26

  1. Repairs and preventative maintenance to the sail, hull, deck, centreboard, rudder, mast, boom or any fittings and fixings may be carried out without violation of these Rules provided such repairs are made in such a way that the essential shape, characteristics or function of the original are not affected.

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....^^....wow, that's quite an extent to fix a mast step, even for doing a complete re-furb.

 

 

As in some stupid person showed up with that same boat at a subsequent regatta on Canada's west coast??

According to your previous rants, ILCA/NA VP Lainie Pardey, who. As described above, backed off on throwing you out at my request, refused to let you use the boat at a subsequent regatta.

 

I wasn't there and nobody sent me any videos.

 

Who is the guy who was allowed to sail because I went to bat for him??

Who is the guy who was tossed out because he ignored my friendly advice, "Don't bring this boat back because people who can and will want to grow it out."?

Who strictly enforced the rules?

Who simply made a judgement about the relative stiffness of the obviously modified boat and came down on the side of reasonableness??

For eighteen years you have continued to climb on my ass because you are such a mental case you cannot accept the fact I stood up for you!!!!

 

Please see a shrink!!!!!

 

And my invitation to race on a boat provided by me still stands!!!!

 

 

 

...all interesting in a blahblah sort of way, and more focus on the Rule26 event I was referring to, but seems like you missed a couple of relevant details.....

 

Lainey, did dis-allow my boat from the vancouver event, but WHY?... she made it clear that she was acting under instructions from YOU that my rule 26 boat not be allowed to sail. The only specific reason she gave was that the rebuild used different materials than were involved in the original build, she specifically mentioned epoxy and paint.

 

So there you were, a class officer of some sort, taking a view of my boat, making some sort of decree, 'went to bat' as you say,,, but you didn't take the opportunity to take a close, objective look at the boat in question! The next event, you're 2500 miles away, and have someone else do your strange bidding,,,, applying a totally wrong interpretation of rule 26!

 

I have no regret to say I had done an extensive rebuild and refinish on the boat. I was proud of it. I would have been happy to let you see the boat,open the ports, check weight and stiffness etc. I felt that the boat complied with rule 26 in every way,,.shape, characteristics and function...... until your ridiculous absentee interpretation of rule 26 was passed to another class officer to enforce.

 

In retrospect, I wish I had stood up to such a stupid ruling and asked for a proper investigation by properly qualified class officers rather than complying with the request, but I guess I was already moving on to other funner 'games' as you call them.

 

Soooo, whether it be your ridiculous behavior as a class officer, or the fackwad slam-dunk tack in the first leg of the first race of a major regatta, you shouldn't at this point expect me to look at you as anything other than the cowardice, braggart, loudmouth that you are.

I'm certainly not bothered to bring up your ridiculous interpretation of rule 26 in a thread like this., it actually seems rather appropriate. :)

 

 

 

Rule 26

  1. Repairs and preventative maintenance to the sail, hull, deck, centreboard, rudder, mast, boom or any fittings and fixings may be carried out without violation of these Rules provided such repairs are made in such a way that the essential shape, characteristics or function of the original are not affected.

 

Sounds like you guys need to let the past go. In AUS we had rumours of blokes popping hulls apart and adjusting mast rake and stiffness of hulls etc. The Laser "Spirit" if not class rules is quite specific on this matter. It is strictly not permitted and the perpetuators are run out of the class. Without going in to detail I would back the class executive on their ruling but let it go as ancient history.

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We need an olive branch, you could take turns whacking each other with it.

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We need an olive branch, you could take turns whacking each other with it.

Trouble is there is always someone who will sharpen the end of the stick and go for the eye poke.......not in spirit of rule at all.

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......wow, all good. Just make up what ever you want and rant about my mental stability.

 

I'll continue to believe what I witnessed, on all counts. :mellow:

 

 

 

... so tell me,, did you ever see a wooden centreboard with anything less than a 1/4'' trailing edge? :)

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modifications to the non skid

 

How the heck does one modify non-skid? Sand it off?? And why would anyone do that??

 

In the meantime, I will always have a class legal Laser ready for him if he can get to Texas.

 

Sorry but I canntt resist on this one... I though you sang the BK song and even louder than he did and said over and over and over that the LPE boats on this continent were counterfeit and not class legal in your opinion? So are you finally admitting those LPE built Lasers ARE all class legal. :P

 

Seriously, just joking and hope you guys have some fun down there. Sound like some fun regattas and wurst eating about to happen (though I admit I don't understand the triangle thing instead of downwind legs...).

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I still own a few beach toy's.

 

USA 27361 has wood foils.= 1975

KC 50005 does not.= 1977

I had 27376 and it had glass blades.

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If you are under the impression Lainie Pardey acted as my puppet ,

Let's just say you don't know Lainie.

 

Suffice it to say: At the Regatta I did attend, I talked the hosts and Lainie into letting you sail

 

There was zero doubt in my mind your modifications to the non skid caused the nonskid to more easily shed water than a Laser. As I felt the bottom of your boat was not as stiff as a new hull, I SUGGESTED THE TRADE OFF DID NOT CREATE A FASTER BOAT THAN A BRAND NEW LASER.

I did agree the non-skid modifications clearly changed the boat and by themselves were sufficient to throw the boat permanently out of the racing fleet.

But

You had traveled hundreds of miles from another country to come play and I didn't want to ruin your weekend by being a stickler for the rules.

That weekend forever ended my involvement in anything having to do with you and your alleged cheater boat.

After I was long gone and it was another event, they acted according to their own best judgement.

I was 2500 miles away and totally uninvolved in the decision to throw your oddball boat out of a Laser class event.

 

 

Your reference to a tack on a first weather leg is more evidence of your mental illness.

I was sailing merrily along leading a pack of port tack boats when you came in on starboard screaming "STARBOARD."

 

I did not wish to go the wrong way so I tacked as close and leeward as possible so I could force you to tack and clear my way to join the rest of those who were going the correct direction.

Your response to my tack, after you had hailed STARBOARD was flurry of expletives.

 

As with all your antisocial racecourse behavior, I don't hold actions driven by mental illness against anyone.

 

 

Please find help.

 

As usual. If you ever can get it together sufficiently to make it to Austin, I will provide a boat and a place to stay.

 

In the meantime, Best of luck with your demons!!!!

 

Please dont stop.

 

This is the good stuff that we all come to SA for.

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It makes one realize how useless Gannt really was.

Every time someone disagree with him, he ran off sobbing to start a thread on online harassment, the victimization of lawn mowers and the impending suicide of the class officers or the Torch class.

 

In contrast, Gouv and the Couchsurfer, just reach for larger and larger weapons.

 

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It makes one realize how useless Gannt really was.

Every time someone disagree with him, he ran off sobbing to start a thread on online harassment, the victimization of lawn mowers and the impending suicide of the class officers or the Torch class.

 

In contrast, Gouv and the Couchsurfer, just reach for larger and larger weapons.

 

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Dang, what is that? The Navy ain't got stuff like that no more but I bet it has non-skid... :rolleyes:

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How the heck does one modify non-skid? Sand it off?? And why would anyone do that??

 

 

....I had sprayed 2 part polyeurethane on the bumped up old deck, the tread still there.

Admittedly the water did bead, but I can't imagine it compensating for the weight of the paint.

The deck, or anything else specific was not brought up by -anyone- until Laney presented

me with her directive and mentioned use of materials not used in original manufacture!

I have great respect for Lainey and her work with the class, less so for others.

I wouldn't have put her name to this 'discussion' 'cept for lardhead naming her.

I certainly believe her when she said she was working under instructions.,naming the Gouv.

She was rather apologetic about it all, in spite of my being rather upset. :mellow:

'Larger and larger weapons'?... nahh, no point.

I just like to drop a small banger in once in a while, keep the Gouv's keyboard 'skillz' going! :)

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good cop/ bad cop

Good cop threw you out

Bad cop never even knew

 

So far, the decision to blame your boat's eviction on a guy 2500 miles away has worked fine.

They got rid of the obviously modified hull and there was no big fight at the event.

 

Unfortunately, I had to put up with your insanity at one event on 1998 and your insane series of posts in these forums,

But

Nobody has had to put up with you and your alleged cheater boat in a race in twenty years.

 

Here ya go:

 

http://www.psychologists.bc.ca/find_psychologist_full

 

 

...the boat in question was never actually inspected by you or anyone else.

 

any and all allegations are just that since there was no proper hearing over the allegations.

 

You talk of insanity and old news, but bring up what are actually libelous allegations for the first time....

.........who's insane!? :mellow:

 

 

btw,,, as of two years ago, the boat is still merrily racing, I suppose the boat in question broke rule 26 not in shape, weight or characteristics...... but in longevity! :)

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.

 

 

 

...at least I can go to sleep tonight knowing I spoke the truth. <_<

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It makes one realize how useless Gannt really was.

Every time someone disagree with him, he ran off sobbing to start a thread on online harassment, the victimization of lawn mowers and the impending suicide of the class officers or the Torch class.

 

In contrast, Gouv and the Couchsurfer, just reach for larger and larger weapons.

 

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The Texas Tump Tank has returned fire, IPL.

 

 

Take that you west coast tree huggers / boat painters. :P

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Does Rule 26 prevent you from changing the color of a Laser?

 

If you are a "west coast tree hugger boat painter" can you paint your Laser black?

 

Asking for a friend.

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Boy George says that you can as long as you color by numbers.

 

Not sure what Texas and Trump will say

 

 

But 26 is a number right?

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Boy George says that you can as long as you color by numbers.

 

Not sure what Texas and Trump will say

 

 

 

Trump says Laser sailing is rigged.

 

Texas says hello.

 

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Folks from CT just don't know how to wear the hat...

 

 

 

So true...

 

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Very very well played. I half wish I was still racing just so I could run into you guys in person.

 

But I wonder how many here will get that because as Lyle sang... "but Texas wants you anyway."

 

We will see who Texas wants in November!

 

And of course we could start a whole birther movement around grey hair... but NAFTA makes it fine if you like that sort of thing...

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Very very well played. I half wish I was still racing just so I could run into you guys in person.

 

But I wonder how many here will get that because as Lyle sang... "but Texas wants you anyway."

 

We will see who Texas wants in November!

 

And of course we could start a whole birther movement around grey hair... but NAFTA makes it fine if you like that sort of thing...

 

 

I have sailed in Texas.

 

I have sailed in Connecticut.

 

I have sailed in at least one regatta with Gouv.

 

But I have never sailed with a pony on my boat.

 

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Army mules have been spotted on boats.

 

 

Navy horses tend to be smarter.

 

But if you search really hard it may be possible to find a pic of a horse on a boat that I owned.

 

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Lol,Couch might not be from Texas, but beleive it or not,cut my teeth down there at the '79 midwinter's at FWBC,,,pulled in 2-3 weeks early for my first traveller event, laser atop a 71 austin mini.

..quite a place that,constant traffic of B52's buzzing the lake,,and quite a gang showed up,all staying on-site in the cabanas....Bertrand,Lewis,Tillman,and what turned out to be the Finn mob over the following few Olympiads.

MaryHelen asked me back for the summer to teach sailing on the lake, middle of the oil crisis and I had a Lincoln to drive around,with a pass to a member's truck fleet pumps when it came time to fill up.

.

What insane heat, this westcoasty kept gettin nosebleeds going between ac's and the heat,,doesn't take much blood mixing with with cockpit water to make it like a pit full'o blood😛

 

Mostly from self interest, I suggested to M.H.(Edgecomb) the idea of getting a van and trailer,hit the road for the big regattas, do some coaching. MH, being the mover she is, we hit the epic SantaCruz NA's,,,and the bongshow LYRA was born,,yup, couch has the very dubious honor of having inspired that madhouse of touring Texas deviants,it went for some years,,,sailing 'blue cloud over Texas'.

I also learnt what a 'Texas roady is,,, when yer hitting the road, go to the bartender,ask Fer a 'roady',,he pours yer drink in a plastic cup, yer all good so long as you finish yer drink before yer on a fed hwy!😜

Truth is, if I'm insane, I likely got it in Texas's😫

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And I am mighty happy your irreverent style was injected into the LYRA at its roots.

I have never said you are s bad guy, just difficult to endure at times ..... and I certainly can do that as bad or worse than you

So...

Mary Helen now lives about Three hundred yards from my boat shop.

Please, before you are too fucking old and decrepit or one of you, MH, or me dies

Please try to get your ass down for a visit Easter weekend is always a good regatta

There are others but visiting MH is way more important than the sailing

She lives for the visits from all her "kids" and you certainly are one she values.

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Lol,Couch might not be from Texas, but beleive it or not,cut my teeth down there at the '79 midwinter's at FWBC,,,pulled in 2-3 weeks early for my first traveller event, laser atop a 71 austin mini.

..quite a place that,constant traffic of B52's buzzing the lake,,and quite a gang showed up,all staying on-site in the cabanas....Bertrand,Lewis,Tillman,and what turned out to be the Finn mob over the following few Olympiads.

MaryHelen asked me back for the summer to teach sailing on the lake, middle of the oil crisis and I had a Lincoln to drive around,with a pass to a member's truck fleet pumps when it came time to fill up.

.

What insane heat, this westcoasty kept gettin nosebleeds going between ac's and the heat,,doesn't take much blood mixing with with cockpit water to make it like a pit full'o blood

 

Mostly from self interest, I suggested to M.H.(Edgecomb) the idea of getting a van and trailer,hit the road for the big regattas, do some coaching. MH, being the mover she is, we hit the epic SantaCruz NA's,,,and the bongshow LYRA was born,,yup, couch has the very dubious honor of having inspired that madhouse of touring Texas deviants,it went for some years,,,sailing 'blue cloud over Texas'.

I also learnt what a 'Texas roady is,,, when yer hitting the road, go to the bartender,ask Fer a 'roady',,he pours yer drink in a plastic cup, yer all good so long as you finish yer drink before yer on a fed hwy!

Truth is, if I'm insane, I likely got it in Texas's

 

 

And I am mighty happy your irreverent style was injected into the LYRA at its roots.

I have never said you are s bad guy, just difficult to endure at times ..... and I certainly can do that as bad or worse than you

So...

Mary Helen now lives about Three hundred yards from my boat shop.

Please, before you are too fucking old and decrepit or one of you, MH, or me dies

Please try to get your ass down for a visit Easter weekend is always a good regatta

There are others but visiting MH is way more important than the sailing

She lives for the visits from all her "kids" and you certainly are one she values.

 

 

I was going to go with I saw three ships come sailing in but its actually a reference to camels (only a slight departure from horses so it would have worked on multiple levels... and its surprisingly easy to find pics of camels in/on and being loaded into boats so we would have set-up TM) but liked this better...

 

 

All from wooden blades.

 

Who would have thunk it.

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