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It's not a 1/4 ton. At 28' it's likely a 1/2 ton. Probably sails well, though no speedster...PHRF would be about 174 as a guess. Price is ridiculous, even if the boat was in good condition. I suspect it's a bit of a project.

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Not my boat, but it is a Peterson 25 flush deck. Rated198 in SoCal in 2013. Don't know why the ad says 28'.

Hasn't been sailed in a long time. If you want the boat give the owner a call. He may be open to offers.

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I did call, recently. He is serious and firm about that price, "What with the quarter ton revival going on in England, it is valuable. Look at the prices they are asking there." I didn't bother arranging to see the boat.

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I did call, recently. He is serious and firm about that price, "What with the quarter ton revival going on in England, it is valuable. Look at the prices they are asking there." I didn't bother arranging to see the boat.

Tell him to ship the boat to England then. It's not worth that price here.

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I did call, recently. He is serious and firm about that price, "What with the quarter ton revival going on in England, it is valuable. Look at the prices they are asking there." I didn't bother arranging to see the boat.

 

 

The good news is he'll be able to keep that little gem for the rest of his life. If he's serious, before posting it for sale, even on Craigslist, he should bother to wash the boat, and give a full inventory of it with accurate length, etc...

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It was originally sailed out of Grand Haven, MI by a guy named John Whitton who was a great sailor (back in my youth). Dunno if he still owns it or not, but I do know he moved to california many years ago.

 

Cannot even believe you guys are bitching about $15k for this thing-- bottom looks good, topsides look good, what are you hoping to buy with $15k ? Put a couple sails on it and go. Whatever. I sailed on the thing a couple times and thought it was a very hot little boat. Still do.

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I did call, recently. He is serious and firm about that price, "What with the quarter ton revival going on in England, it is valuable. Look at the prices they are asking there." I didn't bother arranging to see the boat.

 

Maybe if the thing had been fully updated for big $$ like the Euro ones.

 

I guess he missed that bit.

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Yes, if the ad is correct and it is a sistership to Star eyed Stella (which placed reasonably well at the '76 QT Worlds), then much cooler and rarer. One of Peterson's first ventures into the kiwi style IOR arena. Frac rig, daggerboard (or drop keel) widish stern.

 

Quite a few of these pintail Peterson QTs like this one lying around I suspect. Possibly one of the ones built by Petersen (that is not a typo).

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No pics!

 

 

Here you go. Looked at it a few years ago for possible Q Ton update and ship to the U.K with a Seattle based team. Sent the photos to Doug P and he said 'don't bother, even if it was free'. Cool boat but a real project.

 

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"Don't bother" because it was always a dog, or don't bother because of how it is now?

 

I have a permanent hardon for 1/4 tonners, especially those from the 80's, mainly cos' that's where I got started in keel boats. Some of my favourite Solent days as a teenager included me being knee deep in water on the bow while gybing, in 20+ wind against tide!

 

Anyone know where Duck Soup is? Weird looking Rogers (?) design.

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"Don't bother" because it was always a dog, or don't bother because of how it is now?

 

I have a permanent hardon for 1/4 tonners, especially those from the 80's, mainly cos' that's where I got started in keel boats. Some of my favourite Solent days as a teenager included me being knee deep in water on the bow while gybing, in 20+ wind against tide!

 

Anyone know where Duck Soup is? Weird looking Rogers (?) design.

 

 

I think a bit of both given the amount of work it would take to make it competitive again.

 

Here's a Peterson 25 done right AND sailing on the Solent, Hitch...

 

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It was originally sailed out of Grand Haven, MI by a guy named John Whitton who was a great sailor (back in my youth). Dunno if he still owns it or not, but I do know he moved to california many years ago.

 

Cannot even believe you guys are bitching about $15k for this thing-- bottom looks good, topsides look good, what are you hoping to buy with $15k ? Put a couple sails on it and go. Whatever. I sailed on the thing a couple times and thought it was a very hot little boat. Still do.

For PHRF 174? J24 will sail circles around a mid 70s IOR shaped boat and you'll have enough left over for sails and a tow vehicle

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"Don't bother" because it was always a dog, or don't bother because of how it is now?

 

I have a permanent hardon for 1/4 tonners, especially those from the 80's, mainly cos' that's where I got started in keel boats. Some of my favourite Solent days as a teenager included me being knee deep in water on the bow while gybing, in 20+ wind against tide!

 

Anyone know where Duck Soup is? Weird looking Rogers (?) design.

 

 

I think a bit of both given the amount of work it would take to make it competitive again.

 

Here's a Peterson 25 done right AND sailing on the Solent, Hitch...

 

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Mmm. Boat porn.

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Needs a blooper ;)

The boat in ad would def be slower than a J-24, which likely would rate near 1/2 ton in IOR. J is about as fast as a half-ton of that mid-70s era. Post upthread is correct, a 1/4 ton of that period rates about 190-something in PHRF, that's what the Kiwi-24 Holland design rates. The boat would be fun to sail, and a nice little weekender, but $15K is just a ridiculous price considering the time and money that would have to be spent to bring it up to snuff.

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No pics!

 

 

Here you go. Looked at it a few years ago for possible Q Ton update and ship to the U.K with a Seattle based team. Sent the photos to Doug P and he said 'don't bother, even if it was free'. Cool boat but a real project.

 

photo3_zpsw5wbjky8.jpg

 

photo11_zpswveymlo0.jpg

 

photo9_zpsbr998yxy.jpg

 

 

"Don't bother" because it was always a dog, or don't bother because of how it is now?

 

I have a permanent hardon for 1/4 tonners, especially those from the 80's, mainly cos' that's where I got started in keel boats. Some of my favourite Solent days as a teenager included me being knee deep in water on the bow while gybing, in 20+ wind against tide!

 

Anyone know where Duck Soup is? Weird looking Rogers (?) design.

 

 

Agree - good Quarter Pounders are similar to Dino 246 GT's - nowhere near as hot as current stuff but still a huge blast.

 

My old Kirby custom was the most pure fun boat I've ever owned.

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For PHRF 174? J24 will sail circles around a mid 70s IOR shaped boat and you'll have enough left over for sails and a tow vehicle

 

 

 

Not in 1-5 knots of wind, it won't.

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It was originally sailed out of Grand Haven, MI by a guy named John Whitton who was a great sailor (back in my youth). Dunno if he still owns it or not, but I do know he moved to california many years ago.

 

Cannot even believe you guys are bitching about $15k for this thing-- bottom looks good, topsides look good, what are you hoping to buy with $15k ? Put a couple sails on it and go. Whatever. I sailed on the thing a couple times and thought it was a very hot little boat. Still do.

For PHRF 174? J24 will sail circles around a mid 70s IOR shaped boat and you'll have enough left over for sails and a tow vehicle

 

 

 

The J/24 is actually a mid-70's IOR shaped boat as well, no ? I'd imagine you're right that a J/24 is lighter and faster on many points of sail, and they're probably equally uncomfortable for the crew but if 1/4 tonners is your bag this was -at one time- a really cool little boat.

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It was originally sailed out of Grand Haven, MI by a guy named John Whitton who was a great sailor (back in my youth). Dunno if he still owns it or not, but I do know he moved to california many years ago.

 

Cannot even believe you guys are bitching about $15k for this thing-- bottom looks good, topsides look good, what are you hoping to buy with $15k ? Put a couple sails on it and go. Whatever. I sailed on the thing a couple times and thought it was a very hot little boat. Still do.

For PHRF 174? J24 will sail circles around a mid 70s IOR shaped boat and you'll have enough left over for sails and a tow vehicle

 

The J/24 is actually a mid-70's IOR shaped boat as well, no ? I'd imagine you're right that a J/24 is lighter and faster on many points of sail, and they're probably equally uncomfortable for the crew but if 1/4 tonners is your bag this was -at one time- a really cool little boat.

No. Rod Johnstone ignored the IOR rule completely when he designed the 24. The boat did 'fit' the MORC rule somewhat, in that it wasn't completely screwed and could race competitively. Boat took a class win in MORC Internationals in '76 or '77. But it wasn't designed 'to' the MORC rule either.

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It was originally sailed out of Grand Haven, MI by a guy named John Whitton who was a great sailor (back in my youth). Dunno if he still owns it or not, but I do know he moved to california many years ago.

 

Cannot even believe you guys are bitching about $15k for this thing-- bottom looks good, topsides look good, what are you hoping to buy with $15k ? Put a couple sails on it and go. Whatever. I sailed on the thing a couple times and thought it was a very hot little boat. Still do.

For PHRF 174? J24 will sail circles around a mid 70s IOR shaped boat and you'll have enough left over for sails and a tow vehicle

 

 

 

The J/24 is actually a mid-70's IOR shaped boat as well, no ? I'd imagine you're right that a J/24 is lighter and faster on many points of sail, and they're probably equally uncomfortable for the crew but if 1/4 tonners is your bag this was -at one time- a really cool little boat.

 

The J24 is a very faired shape of that era & pop out production boat. In my early days & last days of 1/4 racing along the new fangled J24 we never were beaten by a J24 ( line or handicap) on the Hood/Halverson 25 (div 3) in any breeze or wave state, flat to 3 meter swells (10 footish). average race day 12-18kts. They very quickly started one design racing, as more were bought & played amongst themselves, mostly inshore.

 

 

Interesting- I would have thought the J-24 was faster (except downwind in light air) than most 1/4 Tonners back then. As RK said, it's not at all an IOR-influenced shape or rig... and ironically I didn't think it was -that- uncomfortable of a boat, back then either. Sailed them against San Juan 24s and vice versa a few times, no contest.

 

That Peterson daggerboard QT looks like it could be a very interesting project- just what I need!

 

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It was originally sailed out of Grand Haven, MI by a guy named John Whitton who was a great sailor (back in my youth). Dunno if he still owns it or not, but I do know he moved to california many years ago.

 

Cannot even believe you guys are bitching about $15k for this thing-- bottom looks good, topsides look good, what are you hoping to buy with $15k ? Put a couple sails on it and go. Whatever. I sailed on the thing a couple times and thought it was a very hot little boat. Still do.

For PHRF 174? J24 will sail circles around a mid 70s IOR shaped boat and you'll have enough left over for sails and a tow vehicle

 

 

 

The J/24 is actually a mid-70's IOR shaped boat as well, no ? I'd imagine you're right that a J/24 is lighter and faster on many points of sail, and they're probably equally uncomfortable for the crew but if 1/4 tonners is your bag this was -at one time- a really cool little boat.

 

The J24 is a very faired shape of that era & pop out production boat. In my early days & last days of 1/4 racing along the new fangled J24 we never were beaten by a J24 ( line or handicap) on the Hood/Halverson 25 (div 3) in any breeze or wave state, flat to 3 meter swells (10 footish). average race day 12-18kts. They very quickly started one design racing, as more were bought & played amongst themselves, mostly inshore.

 

 

Interesting- I would have thought the J-24 was faster (except downwind in light air) than most 1/4 Tonners back then. As RK said, it's not at all an IOR-influenced shape or rig... and ironically I didn't think it was -that- uncomfortable of a boat, back then either. Sailed them against San Juan 24s and vice versa a few times, no contest.

 

That Peterson daggerboard QT looks like it could be a very interesting project- just what I need!

 

FB- Doug

 

 

Yes, there was a reason the J/24 rated in at about the Half Ton level. It would be reasonably competitive against most production HTs at the time. IOR aside, even in PHRF at 174 the J/24 rates about the same as the production HTs like Chaser 29, San Juan 30. Buccaneer 30, etc. Definitely not designed as an IOR boat - that was the whole point, to show how fast a 24 footer could be if you ignored the rule (Moore 24 aside).

 

I'm not much of a J/Boat fan, but the only time a QT should beat a J/24 would be in light air or if the J/24 was sailed like shit.

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I did call, recently. He is serious and firm about that price, "What with the quarter ton revival going on in England, it is valuable. Look at the prices they are asking there." I didn't bother arranging to see the boat.

Tell him to ship the boat to England then. It's not worth that price here.

 

It's not worth that price over here either.

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That Peterson daggerboard QT looks like it could be a very interesting project- just what I need!

 

FB- Doug

 

 

Yes, there was a reason the J/24 rated in at about the Half Ton level. It would be reasonably competitive against most production HTs at the time. IOR aside, even in PHRF at 174 the J/24 rates about the same as the production HTs like Chaser 29, San Juan 30. Buccaneer 30, etc.

 

I'm not much of a J/Boat fan, but the only time a QT should beat a J/24 would be in light air or if the J/24 was sailed like shit.

 

Do you mean in level racing or adusted times?

We had peeps like Adrienne, on our 1/4, who seemed to like quessing what the future would hold/show & where, while comparing it back to her Laser. :)

 

 

Well, they would never race level against each other since one is a QT and the other is essentially a HT (or at least rated at about 22 IOR) - but if they started at the same time and sailed the same course the J/24 should always finish ahead of a mid 70's QT except in light air or if the J was sailed poorly. A late 70's Kiwi or French boat (like Bullit) might be an exception in a breeze.

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That Peterson daggerboard QT looks like it could be a very interesting project- just what I need!

 

FB- Doug

 

Yes, there was a reason the J/24 rated in at about the Half Ton level. It would be reasonably competitive against most production HTs at the time. IOR aside, even in PHRF at 174 the J/24 rates about the same as the production HTs like Chaser 29, San Juan 30. Buccaneer 30, etc.

 

I'm not much of a J/Boat fan, but the only time a QT should beat a J/24 would be in light air or if the J/24 was sailed like shit.

Do you mean in level racing or adusted times?

We had peeps like Adrienne, on our 1/4, who seemed to like quessing what the future would hold/show & where, while comparing it back to her Laser. :)

 

Well, they would never race level against each other since one is a QT and the other is essentially a HT (or at least rated at about 22 IOR) - but if they started at the same time and sailed the same course the J/24 should always finish ahead of a mid 70's QT except in light air or if the J was sailed poorly. A late 70's Kiwi or French boat (like Bullit) might be an exception in a breeze.

Boat for boat, a SJ-24 was pretty damn fast upwind in light air, especially in a bit of chop. Well-sailed, it could stay with J-24 and half-tonners of the era on those conditions. Offwind, or in a breeze, it was pretty slow. J-24 would sail circles around it. Most courses in those days did have a fair amount of reaching.

Farr 727, designed a few years later, is listed at a PHRF of 192 (SJ24 is 222). Probably a good bit faster reaching and in a breeze, but might be a bit sticky light air upwind compared to SJ. Still a fair bit slower than the J-24 (PHRF 174). Hard to know how the Bullitts and later Farrs compare. But it's hard to imagine they'd be more than 12 sec/mile faster than the 727 coming just 3 or 4 years later. I suspect the J-24 would still be all around a faster boat. The Peterson boat probably is somewhere in between the Kiwi 24 Holland (198) and the Farr 727 (192). Still slower than a J-boat all around, but might keep up in certain conditions.

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That Peterson daggerboard QT looks like it could be a very interesting project- just what I need!

 

FB- Doug

 

Yes, there was a reason the J/24 rated in at about the Half Ton level. It would be reasonably competitive against most production HTs at the time. IOR aside, even in PHRF at 174 the J/24 rates about the same as the production HTs like Chaser 29, San Juan 30. Buccaneer 30, etc.

 

I'm not much of a J/Boat fan, but the only time a QT should beat a J/24 would be in light air or if the J/24 was sailed like shit.

Do you mean in level racing or adusted times?

We had peeps like Adrienne, on our 1/4, who seemed to like quessing what the future would hold/show & where, while comparing it back to her Laser. :)

 

Well, they would never race level against each other since one is a QT and the other is essentially a HT (or at least rated at about 22 IOR) - but if they started at the same time and sailed the same course the J/24 should always finish ahead of a mid 70's QT except in light air or if the J was sailed poorly. A late 70's Kiwi or French boat (like Bullit) might be an exception in a breeze.

Boat for boat, a SJ-24 was pretty damn fast upwind in light air, especially in a bit of chop. Well-sailed, it could stay with J-24 and half-tonners of the era on those conditions. Offwind, or in a breeze, it was pretty slow. J-24 would sail circles around it. Most courses in those days did have a fair amount of reaching.

Farr 727, designed a few years later, is listed at a PHRF of 192 (SJ24 is 222). Probably a good bit faster reaching and in a breeze, but might be a bit sticky light air upwind compared to SJ. Still a fair bit slower than the J-24 (PHRF 174). Hard to know how the Bullitts and later Farrs compare. But it's hard to imagine they'd be more than 12 sec/mile faster than the 727 coming just 3 or 4 years later. I suspect the J-24 would still be all around a faster boat. The Peterson boat probably is somewhere in between the Kiwi 24 Holland (198) and the Farr 727 (192). Still slower than a J-boat all around, but might keep up in certain conditions.

 

I mentioned Bullit since she basically kicked the crap out of the best of the Kiwi boats back in the '79 QT Worlds - on the Kiwi's home turf.

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My old Kirby QT was custom built for the 1976 Corpus Christie worlds. Won the long distance race and came 7th overall out of 36 boats, so it wasn't a slug by any means.

 

It had a 195 PHRF and a J-24 could sail away from it in our typical light summer breezes.

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My old Kirby QT was custom built for the 1976 Corpus Christie worlds. Won the long distance race and came 7th overall out of 36 boats, so it wasn't a slug by any means.

 

It had a 195 PHRF and a J-24 could sail away from it in our typical light summer breezes.

 

One advantage the J/24 has going for it is that many of them are dry sailed. My experience sailing against J/24s is that they were pretty doggy in light air- at least the wet sailed ones.

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also j/24 were frac vs. MH, despite the 155% overlap height does matter..

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