dachopper

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1 minute ago, jack_sparrow said:

Own a watch ..and probably still have the fine women you married..you have money to burn mate.

Bloody hell! I wish mate, running a nursing home now, very exclusive clientele (1) & very small staff (me) only upside is but for property taxes I own the premises.

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14 minutes ago, bayboy said:

Beau Geste has fought back well against Wizard

Even though that Botin 80 is a piece of crap..they are doing that JK V70 a lot of favours pulling them down the runway. Would be good to see a V70 get some silverware 2 years in a row, and maybe put the V70 critics in their place...not to mention supporting Harburgs roll over price on his V70 collecting dust and which is arguably superior to the Wizard.

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26 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

The Start ...and that makes you want to go out and buy a $20k watch instead of a new J3.

To be fair, 20K will get you into a 1675 GMT Pepsi and you can wear that a lot more often than a J3...

 

6 minutes ago, bayboy said:

Beau Geste has fought back well against Wizard and not far off Black jack...

BG was paying almost $100 for LH at one point (which was never going to happen) but wouldn't be surprised if Mr K made off with the proper silverware again. Would be just desserts for the crew in their efforts to hone BG97. Probably the most successful sail program in this hemisphere (eastern?) with the 52 and shortly the MOD, so some silverware is well overdue heading in their direction with the 80.

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7 hours ago, MR.CLEAN said:

Jesus wtf is so hard about getting your video up

And as usual, nothing has changed!! 

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57 minutes ago, trt131 said:

No land breeze/sea breeze, this is gradient breeze

In that case they ran out of gradient breeze inshore (even though it was open to windward) & came back out. 

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4 minutes ago, mad said:

And as usual, nothing has changed!! 

Yeah the interweb is weird, but I swear "Dear Leader" had nothing to do with that (oops, fucked up again, nevermind).

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10 minutes ago, bayboy said:

Isn't their 2 VO70 collecting dust now in Black jack and Maserati...

3 + The Jones VO70 ex Sourhern Excellence ex Ichi ex Brunel. 

Where is that nowadays?

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Just now, SCANAS said:

3 + The Jones VO70 ex Sourhern Excellence ex Ichi ex Brunel. 

Where is that nowadays?

Parked on the end of B arm at the CYCA

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9 minutes ago, bayboy said:

Isn't their 2 VO70 collecting dust now in Black jack and Maserati...

I believe the current line of thinking is that you progressively upgrade waterline length until you win either of the two trophies.

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4 minutes ago, DickDastardly said:

Parked on the end of B arm at the CYCA

Who owns it?

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Full disclosure here: Atheist, but just checked on Akzo's situation, any takers on a bet that this be will for most part settled before they hit Melbourne? Pray for wind comes to mind (in spite of said atheism, channeling Dustin Hoffman in "Sphere", I'm flexible-a much better read BTW).

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Comanche gradually going East so she has an angle to come back with. Doesn't appear to be hurting her position over the others. Stan has set this up text book style. Infotrack not gaining on Oats. 

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4 hours ago, MR PLOW 270 said:

Are you on crack

you can’t fake a blown up mainsail and why the fuck would they fake a keel issue if they were beating the current record holder and on Track to make on themselves. 

Shut the fuck up

Please don’t quote or feed the troll. Thanks. 

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3 minutes ago, thefirstpelican said:

GRRR. I work in retail, electrical. Cunts, cunts everywhere. cunts. Ok I've finished a shit long day. Why can't I find a replay of the start???. Cunts.

Pretty tame. Start was in light winds. WOXI very late to line. Would have been 10-15th. When they started beating into the wind WOXI made up the gap. Contraversial cross with Comanche, Comanche protested. 

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Did my best. Not allowed to stream anything with "moving images" at all once the exclusion zone is in place which is why I can only do audio.

Merry Christmas all - will put all the interviews up individually today.

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4 hours ago, Captain Jack Sparrow said:

Beau Geste just isn't that fast. Her owner and crew are really good yet that boat doesn't seem to go like one would expect from a bigger more powerful platform than a VO70. 

They’re not having a lot of luck with this one or the last BG really. 

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15 minutes ago, thefirstpelican said:

GRRR. I work in retail, electrical. Cunts, cunts everywhere. cunts. Ok I've finished a shit long day. Why can't I find a replay of the start???. Cunts.

Try scrolling upwards a few posts you lazy useless clunt.

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5 minutes ago, thefirstpelican said:

GRRR. I work in retail, electrical. Cunts, cunts everywhere. cunts. Ok I've finished a shit long day. Why can't I find a replay of the start???. Cunts.

Might I recommend retirement? just fuckin with ya, few in that position & for that matter timezone, feel your pain, but judging from the earlier comments: lower expectations, of course NEVER having watched (or had any knowledge before) I enjoyed it (however, microphone under faucet was weird but I doubt many heard that, actually kind of used to weird stuff on the telly, I once used a C band satellite dish, amazing stuff I had access to!).

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Immense pressure on Richards. Very easy for the other three to say they tried hard, still learning the boat etc 1st attempt with current owner / team. 

WOXI haven't finished the last two + they still have to prove last round of mods were successful. 

Fingers crossed they don't push too hard!

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Well here is a fun thing, forrrs tracker gives windy layers, but VOR tracker gives the same with wind SPEED under my cursor! SWEET!

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I would say the majority of SH races since I have been following have a southerly buster which would equalise all this, but not this one. 

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12 minutes ago, sailorgirl218 said:

Did my best.

Ignore the chaff giving you shit Nic, your work is awesome and an essential part of the coverage. 

7 minutes ago, mad said:

the last BG

Suspect we'll never hear the full story of the trip back from Norfolk to Auckland, but from the few pics we got of the cracks through the deck, it's a serious bit of seamanship. Maybe most impressive was the call to lift out of the water and back onto the cradle with the cracks. Not sure of the urban legends, but it seems the rumours about Mick Cookson asking for a documented legal release to build the boat were well founded. 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

Immense pressure on Richards. Very easy for the other three to say they tried hard, still learning the boat etc 1st attempt with current owner / team. 

WOXI haven't finished the last two + they still have to prove last round of mods were successful. 

Fingers crossed they don't push too hard!

Scanas the only pressure on Richo is your spare fingers tickling his prostrate. That said you are a WOXI fanboy with just cause, particularly as your good wife worked for Mr Bob, so I forgive you. Just like I forgave our bet in 2015 when your guy tanked. It's Xmas, we humans do things like that.

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Comanche running down Loyal's record . Given the distance between the 2 boats today you can only imagine what record would have been set by the Big Indian if it raced last year? Fuck the starboard incident this race is now about the race record and Comanche being under the ownership of an Australian. 

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Yep. It's me, then Abbo, we are members no 1 & 2 in the club. 

I think you were worried about the ah, postage address I would have needed. 

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looking like WOXI anf Info have headed up a tad for pressure , Comanche  faster and lower :D

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I know of a pair of TP52's that could be picked up for a steal in the northern hemisphere.  The trouble with all these boats are the running costs, which I doubt are much different between a 70 footer and an 80 footer. Certainly a jump when in the 100 foot territory.

I'm rooting for WOXI given the bad luck/preparation over the past years.

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7 minutes ago, terrafirma said:

Comanche running down Loyal's record

and how , only 1.2nm outside now , s/b in front @ next sked , almost 2x's as fast also .

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Other than the glide Glide up the Derwent, Comanche seems to have this well in hand. 

“The best revenge is sailing well...” hanging a penalty on WOXI after humiliating her on the water will just be a bonus, one can hope said penalty is sufficient to knock her down a (few) places.  

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1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

The Start ...and that makes you want to go out and buy a $20k watch instead of a new J3.

Also sky vision of the "lee bow" incident that may change some minds here.

T-Bone for dinner anyone?

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1 hour ago, jack_sparrow said:

...Also sky vision of the "lee bow" incident that may change some minds here.

Silence is deafening here from you "match racing experts" telling us  mere noobs here we are cluless as to Elvis's fuck up on his "lee bow tack" as we see it. 

Are you coming out still defending your viewpoint or do we have Uber Eats deliver you a Crow Pizza?

Just interested?

 

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1 minute ago, samc99us said:

I know of a pair of TP52's that could be picked up for a steal in the northern hemisphere.  The trouble with all these boats are the running costs, which I doubt are much different between a 70 footer and an 80 footer. Certainly a jump when in the 100 foot territory.

I'm rooting for WOXI given the bad luck/preparation over the past years.

Really?

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Comanche has just eaten 20nm out of the record lead in the last 180 mins, it's getting close! Hopefully some of the crew are carrying camera gear ala Cloggy on R100 so we can get some gonzo footage when they bust this wide open. 

Wouldn't want to be Ken Read this evening however.

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12 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

Yep. It's me, then Abbo, we are members no 1 & 2 in the club. 

I think you were worried about the ah, postage address I would have needed. 

I forgave the bet you fool after your bet died plus guaranteed payout was a local yacht club of your choice your end who ever won. Talk about reinvent history.

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41 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

Immense pressure on Richards. Very easy for the other three to say they tried hard, still learning the boat etc 1st attempt with current owner / team. 

WOXI haven't finished the last two + they still have to prove last round of mods were successful. 

Fingers crossed they don't push too hard!

Yep, it's show time and he already has a prod up his whatchamacallit.

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3 minutes ago, HMM263 said:

Comanche has just eaten 20nm out of the record lead in the last 180 mins, it's getting close! Hopefully some of the crew are carrying camera gear ala Cloggy on R100 so we can get some gonzo footage when they bust this wide open. 

Wouldn't want to be Ken Read this evening however.

And both Comanche and Infotrack the beam masters heading East of the line with the skinny boys heading inshore trying to sail the least distance. 

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Not as I recall it. I was always willing, I believe you "forgave" me to protect your anonymity. I don't care either way. Have drunk several hundred bottles since, including a nice bottle of Kracken I am currently sipping. 

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13 minutes ago, samc99us said:

I know of a pair of TP52's that could be picked up for a steal in the northern hemisphere.  The trouble with all these boats are the running costs, and unmodified, shitting themselves off Wooloongong at best.

 

 

Fixed

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3 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

Not as I recall it. I was always willing, I believe you "forgave" me to protect your anonymity.

Revisit your PM's. I forgave you as I didn't regard a WOXI  DNF was fair your end. Fuck me..are you a snake wrangler Scanas?

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Just now, jack_sparrow said:

Revisit your PM's. I forgave you as I didn't regard a WOXI  DNF was fair your end. Fuck me..are you a snake wrangler Scanas?

I agree with you on that.

But I still maintain your motive was as above. 

WOXI 27.6knots!

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Comanche  inside record pace

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I saw more footage of the camera girl jumping off the stern than most of the other 95 boats at the heads...  Truly sad coverage of a 105 boat race start...

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Looking at forecast, I’d expect Comanche to gybe in next hours to take advantage of pressure expected west of Rhumbline. Upcoming adverse current, I’m guessing sooner. 

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3 minutes ago, LionessRacing said:

Looking at forecast, I’d expect

...Klark and Kirsty to say "shit we sold that fuckin money-pit one race too early".

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2 hours ago, HMM263 said:

To be fair, 20K will get you into a 1675 GMT Pepsi and you can wear that a lot more often than a J3...

 

BG was paying almost $100 for LH at one point (which was never going to happen) but wouldn't be surprised if Mr K made off with the proper silverware again. Would be just desserts for the crew in their efforts to hone BG97. Probably the most successful sail program in this hemisphere (eastern?) with the 52 and shortly the MOD, so some silverware is well overdue heading in their direction with the 80.

Without people like Karl many many people in this industry would not have a boat to build, fix up and sail on. 

Having said that, that contribution doesn't automatically deserve silverware? Many try and fail, many try and succeed, some with a fraction of his resources. 

The simple fact of life is it seems he is the last person on planet earth to come to the conclusion that his Botin 80 should have been recycled long ago as carbon washing machines, or what ever they do in China with shit that doesn't work.

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1 hour ago, HMM263 said:

! Hopefully some of the crew are carrying camera gear ala Cloggy on R100 so we can get some gonzo footage when they bust this wide open. 

 

Shannon Falcone posted on instagram a suitcase with lots of cameras + a DJI Magic and a DJI spark. Pretty sure there will be some footage even aireal (if they slow down, I have a Spark, wouldn’t try to chase something at 24 knots with it...you’ll probably drop it in the wet trying to land.

 

edit: Falcons is on C if that was not obvious from my post

Edited by AndreasE

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Bed time 4 me. Hoping the 4 100's are all still in it when I wake up!

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5 hours ago, random said:

Rule 13.  C started to take evasive action while WO was tacking and had no rights.

Rule 15. If WO succeeded in acquiring right of way, she needed to give C room (and opportunity) to keep clear.

Even if Rule 10 was not broken, there are other rules invoked if the tack is too close.

In the video C initially dipped slightly, this looked like he was thinking about a duck but decided not to.  Looks to me like a duck was the best option given that WO looked to have room for a close cross.  If C wanted to make more trouble for WO they would have gone up slightly to make the angle appear worse for them.

When the duck looked risky for C because WO had slowed entering a tack, C went back up at which time they had limited room and opportunity to do more than they did.  These are big boats and that move was ok for a Laser but not for Maxi's, too risky and WO needs to be penalised.  This was the start of an Ocean Race and the cost of both boats being damaged is an unacceptable risk.

You seem to notice a lot more from the video than I was able to. I can't really see C dipping in the video. I can see its bow going up and down, but it seems to be due to waves, not dipping. It is not important when C started to do evasive action, but when she needed to start.

From the video I can't really say what rule WO broke, if any. To mee it seems like WO would have cleared C, if she would not have tacked. But I'm not sure about that. Also it looks a bit like C would have ended on leeward side of WO had she not shooted up. So it may be that she wanted to avoid that.

I really don't see how WO could have broken Rule 15. That would have meant that C was required to do something unseamanlike in order to keep clear. Clearly C was able to keep clear and she didn't need to do anything unseamanlike to do so.

Maybe it would be possible to see what really happened, if we could see the full coverage from all the different cameras. Now the video shown jumped from camera to camera so that it was very hard to see what really happened.

The fact that C made the protest hail and put up the flag doesn't really prove anything. Not even that C will make the protest after they have finished. Sure C would have liked WO to do the turns and thus get in front of them. The fact that WO did not make the turns proves that they think they can get away with it, which can happen by C not making the protest, not being penalized in the room or getting just a small time penalty.

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35 minutes ago, Joakim said:

Maybe it would be possible to see what really happened, if we could see the full coverage from all the different cameras. Now the video shown jumped from camera to camera so that it was very hard to see what really happened.

Go look at the sky view footage in conjunction ..not just the onboard only edited video you mention before waxing lyrical about seamanship, let alone you ignoring the fuckin rules. 

Richo fucked up and has compounded his fuck up for idiots like me to bang on about by hiding his head in the sand by not taking a penalty. Pure & simple.This sport is built on honour..he is shitting on it for every kid to see and follow.

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7 hours ago, sclarke said:

You protest to force the RC to make a decision that may/ may not go your way. It may have been a 50/50 call at the time, but by protesting, they force the RC to make a call. Happens all the time in Match racing. Sometimes the call goes your way, sometimes it doesn't. But just because you are the one who protests, does not necessarily mean you are correct. 

Jack I have only watched or commentated a few thousand match races so sorry if I don't know what I'm talking about, but 95% of the time Richo cops a penalty flag for that one.  

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10 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

Go look at the sky view footage in conjunction ..not just the onboard only edited video you mention before waxing lyrical about seamanship, let alone you ignoring the fuckin rules.

Can you provide a link to sky view footage?

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38 minutes ago, Joakim said:

Can you provide a link to sky view footage?

At 50 sec mark

And this is a screen snap (courtesy of Squirrel) just before Jimmy ducked...(but as some morons say here to bring forward a lee bow tack by Richo, yet Commanche were in line with the Primary winches, not say their bow at this point) to possibly avoid taking out everything on WOXI behind Richo, but in response to Richo's crash tack, was then forced to head up...and stop dead in the water as shown in the various vids.

Make your own mind up.

WOXIFoul.jpg

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53 minutes ago, Joakim said:

You seem to notice a lot more from the video than I was able to. I can't really see C dipping in the video. I can see its bow going up and down, but it seems to be due to waves, not dipping. It is not important when C started to do evasive action, but when she needed to start.

From the video I can't really say what rule WO broke, if any. To mee it seems like WO would have cleared C, if she would not have tacked. But I'm not sure about that. Also it looks a bit like C would have ended on leeward side of WO had she not shooted up. So it may be that she wanted to avoid that.

I really don't see how WO could have broken Rule 15. That would have meant that C was required to do something unseamanlike in order to keep clear. Clearly C was able to keep clear and she didn't need to do anything unseamanlike to do so.

Maybe it would be possible to see what really happened, if we could see the full coverage from all the different cameras. Now the video shown jumped from camera to camera so that it was very hard to see what really happened.

The fact that C made the protest hail and put up the flag doesn't really prove anything. Not even that C will make the protest after they have finished. Sure C would have liked WO to do the turns and thus get in front of them. The fact that WO did not make the turns proves that they think they can get away with it, which can happen by C not making the protest, not being penalized in the room or getting just a small time penalty.

By my looking, Oats was passing clear ahead, as soon as they initiated the tack, instead of commanche continuing below they immediately came up, and then up again to avoid contact. Should C have ducked and then pushed Oats up into a stall?

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46 minutes ago, dachopper said:

By my looking, Oats was passing clear ahead, as soon as they initiated the tack, instead of commanche continuing below they immediately came up,

So it wasn't a "lee bow tack" as all here but you say,  but Richo was through and clean and just tacked to windward, maybe a tad early, and Comanche instead of just powering through underneath with no drama and putting them out the backdoor, decided to ram them on the windward side? 

Do you sail?

 

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12 hours ago, rogerfal said:

Odds?

Book is well and truly closed on that one.

I was being a bit obtuse. Sponsor of LDV Automotive Comanche - LDV = Leyland Daf Vehicles which is owned by SAIC = Shanghai Automotive. Was wondering of anyone noticed the link.

Probably not in exactly the same way that few seem to realise the Volvo Ocean Race is half Chinese.

Happy Christmas everyone :-)

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22 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

So it wasn't a "lee bow tack" as all here but you say,  but Richo was through and clean and just tacked to windward, maybe a tad early, and Comanche instead of just powering through underneath with no drama and putting them out the backdoor, decided to ram them on the windward side? 

Do you sail?

 

 

Only 1 person knows what he was thinking when he decided to tack.

If Comanche had not of pinched up, I think he would have been behind  with overtake.

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27 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

I was being a bit obtuse. Sponsor of LDV Automotive Comanche - LDV = Leyland Daf Vehicles which is owned by SAIC = Shanghai Automotive. Was wondering of anyone noticed the link.

Shang no one is asleep here. Got nothing to do with your affinity for all things Chinese on the offshore racing front and Dong Feng in the VOR in particular.

 LDV is one of Croaky's auto brands amongst many, where he was the stop gap hirer of Comanche if the circling buyer at the time didn't stump up. Sails went to Norths and got branded LDV. At the last minute the circling buyer stumped up. Croaky's brand stayed not so much an issue to change at the the 11th hour, but that was part of his middleman facilitation arrangement so to speak. 

I'm sure the owner would like some of his wind farm shit etc branding on the main, but he didn't have the luxury in terms of the above.

Mate rest assured the Chinese are not taking over sailing in Australia, despite protests they are doing so elsewhere on some economic fronts.

 

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Video seems pretty clear that C began heading up to avoid contact before WOXI completed tack. IMO, had C waited until WOXI completed tack and gained ROW before altering course, a collision would have likely resulted. 

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Morning all. Happy Boxing Day.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say barring any calamity, Perp Loyal's 2016 record is toast.

I'm off for a Boxing Day ride.  Back in four.

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Seeming to continue their stellar choices today, WOXI now alone on port gybe of the leading LH boats.

Perhaps they know something, perhaps sailing away from forecast pressure is advantageous to their boat. 

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1 hour ago, dachopper said:

By my looking, Oats was passing clear ahead, as soon as they initiated the tack, instead of commanche continuing below they immediately came up, and then up again to avoid contact. Should C have ducked and then pushed Oats up into a stall?

Then why did WO tack? I think she could have put the bow down a touch and crossed but blinked and tacked too late, Comanche would have speared her in the ass.

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1 hour ago, dachopper said:

By my looking, Oats was passing clear ahead, as soon as they initiated the tack, instead of commanche continuing below they immediately came up, and then up again to avoid contact. Should C have ducked and then pushed Oats up into a stall?

Watched the video a couple of times and it does appear that Wild Oats was not down onto a close hauled course before Comanche had to put her bow up to avoid contact. If you watch closely you will see that after C puts her bow up WOXI continues down to what appears to be a close hauled course and her headsail fills.

If WOXI was not "tack complete" before C has to take avoiding action then she has broken RRS 13.

I haven't seen the SIs but a "small time penalty" for such an obvious infringement and no penalty turns would seem  a small penalty, if indeed it was an infringement bearing in mind telephoto lenses can foreshorten the view but the camera on WOXI was not a telephoto and that looked awful close.

Then again as C appear to be giving WOXI a kicking right now, they might not even bother to take it to the room, it would interrupt the line honours party too much. :-)

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22 minutes ago, dachopper said:

Only 1 person knows what he was thinking when he decided to tack.

I'm glad you chimed in ChopChop...that is an enormous comfort and revelation to many...for instance I always thought the driver had the option of phoning a friend in times like this.

Appreciate your knowledge share.

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Wild Oats crossed Comanches line clear ahead. Comanche never initiated any alteration to their course until WO tacked. Good view in the highlights video at 00:53

 

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12 minutes ago, shanghaisailor said:

If WOXI was not "tack complete" before C has to take avoiding action then she has broken RRS 13.

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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Anyone find a link where you can watch the whole start coverage yet?  Missed it last night due to Christmas festivities and was hoping to watch the full version this morning at work!

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If you don’t mind me asking, what happened to Ken Reid?

i noticed he wasn’t on the wheel for the start. 

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10 minutes ago, sclarke said:

Wild Oats crossed Comanches line clear ahead.

You have now joined ChopChop...your sure about that???...it is just the two of you with this new theory so far 12 hours after the event happened and debated with some rigour. You can retreat with dignity still, all is OK.

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4 minutes ago, MR PLOW 270 said:

If you don’t mind me asking, what happened to Ken Reid?

i noticed he wasn’t on the wheel for the start. 

Very observant RipVanWinkle. His boss no longer owns the boat. 

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Look at the 10-15' of overlap Comanche makes on WO before sliding back in her gas. The bow would have ridden-up on her stern, taking out the lifelines.

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16 minutes ago, LionessRacing said:

Seeming to continue their stellar choices today, WOXI now alone on port gybe of the leading LH boats.

Perhaps they know something, perhaps sailing away from forecast pressure is advantageous to their boat. 

They have halved commanche's lead, are sailing consistenly 15 degrees deeper at similar speeds...

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