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9 minutes ago, ASP said:

A true gentleman and master at his craft.

After his 2015 S2H rudder fix/dagger is fucked episode and that got them to the podium...my understanding is both Clark and Reid have prayed to a photo of Casey every night since.

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58 minutes ago, sclarke said:

Rolex as a sponsor can't be happy about this outcome. The Sydney Hobart has gone from one of the toughest races in the world to a race which can be won on shore. Now you'll get all the top match racers in the world entering trying to milk penalties on each other at the start, cruising down the coast and contesting the outcome in the jury room at Hobart. And people wonder why sailing doesn't get the audience numbers anymore.

I've come to the conclusion that you are just a troll, nobody can be this stupid...

 

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I reckon it did look shit to the average punter to have it tied up in a protest that even sailors didn't understand. 

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25 minutes ago, richiec said:

The sport is not booming because younger fuckers can't afford it. When will people realize this? The rich are getting richer at an alarming rate. Those that 15 years ago could afford a boat - any old shitter - just cannot any longer due to the immense cost of living. Another 10-15 years, when all the old cobber boat owners kark it - there will boats all over the place - being given away for next to nothing. I will probably own a boat in 10-15 years. 

Just crewing on a boat/team isn't expensive....I think the biggest factor is time. So many people now want to do several things in their spare time and not just one, so they won't commit to race very often. 

back on topic: I feel for WO. The tacking boat will probably always feel that the tack was completed, and that it anyway didn't change anything. We have won protests on it and it doesn't really feel good. It's about millimeters. It sucks. But rules are rules and lesson should be to do your turns when in doubt. And acknowledge the doubt, don't be so sure your opinion is correct. 

 

Edit: they should also as a team discuss if they all agreed or if the skipper just decided. Do they have a tone of voice where any crew is allowed to say something, for example? 

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You can see Sandy Oatley rolling his eyes when Ricko says certain things after the protest hearing... but holy shit when Ricko says "it's a great moral victory"...

And now I get to use a meme!

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But seriously, I do feel for Ricko, this program has probably been his life for the past ~15 years, to have the past 3 years go to shit, and this year it's partly his fault. Brutal.

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5 minutes ago, Ozee Adventure said:

100 foot doing a 720 at their earliest convenience (and no one elses) would have been an awesome sight & would not of have taken 27 mins

Yes they could have talked it over for 10-15 minutes & still said earliest  possible (spectator craft etc)

Chanel 7 should release the Audio!

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Well, don't really agree with the jury, C shouldn't have altered down but the primary mistake was on W. If they were smart they'd have tacked earlier and to leeward, then chance of a foul is nil and in the lighter stuff probably could've pinched them off, dumb, over reaching, it happens.

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1 hour ago, sclarke said:

The sport isn't booming because the races can be won on shore. Races are won by lawyers not boats. 

Actually it would appear that races can be won by not breaking the rules.

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15 minutes ago, random said:

It was ruined by a stupid brain fart by the WO skipper.

....why does Ian Murray,, the frikken tactician on WOXI get an exemption from shitslinging.??

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8 minutes ago, dangerousdave said:

But seriously, I do feel for Ricko

Honestly, I didn't know who this guy was until I saw the incident, but after watching his attitude not then but since then, I find it very unlikely that I would feel any sympathy.

 

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4 minutes ago, Bruno said:

Well, don't really agree with the jury, C shouldn't have altered down but the primary mistake was on W. If they were smart they'd have tacked earlier and to leeward, then chance of a foul is nil and in the lighter stuff probably could've pinched them off, dumb, over reaching, it happens.

We all make mistakes, nothing wrong about that. But we then make turns because we don't think "rules are different here", like Richo does...

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56 minutes ago, ASP said:

Just like how Lance Armstrong was the faster cyclist...oh wait..

 

I also want to remind everyone here that Comanche was some 3 miles ahead of Oats when they arrived at the entrance to the Derwent, some 609 miles into the race. Oats passed Comanche in the final 8 miles in 2-4 knots of breeze. I'm not sure I would call Oat's the faster boat when under moderate conditions Comanche would have easily held on for line honors. 

Oat's is the best S2H LH boat in history. But fastest 100 footer she is not. 

The sport is called "sailing", not "power reaching"! The finish line is not at Tasman island for a reason! The fastest boat is the one that handles all the conditions encountered during the race and gets to the finish first without breaking anything including rules.

So C was fastest in this race, but she still is a design heavily biased to certain conditions and we saw how that nearly cost her the race and record.

WOXI is a great all rounder and can sail fast in a wider variety of conditions, but with the caveats that she needs diesel to do so and must not break main, keel or rules to get results.

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9 minutes ago, Tornado_ALIVE said:

So what message does this send to future competors......  You can't foul a boat, not do your turns and expect only a 5 minute (insignificant) penalty.

Very good call.

It says two top teams need an international jury to sort out who is better 24 hours after you finish.

Father to Opti Kid - Now you can be anything you want to be in this world little johnny, but if you want to be a Yachty you better be a, doctor, lawyer, Engineer, Renewable energy tycoon or a three generation coffee & wine magnate son. 

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He (Mark Richards) had this coming. I fail to understand why he is so revered as a top level skipper. Look at some facts:

- he does about 3 races a year, and has only done that for about 10 years

- does he ever/has he ever raced internationally?

- what was that start all about? (That would have solved all of this issue)

- To not recognise that he fouled was pretty dumb

- To state that the rules are different in the Hobart is pretty dumb

He should be feeling pretty sorry for himself and his crew, because they clearly sailed very well after the incident, but he could have made 2 smarter decisions at the time. Dip, or tack earlier, and if not that do his turns. To expect the issue to go away was naïve in the extreme, and he has paid the price. Suspect most of his crew knew this decision was always the likely outcome....

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6 minutes ago, couchsurfer said:

....why does Ian Murray,, the frikken tactician on WOXI get an exemption from shitslinging.??

Audio would be great. Richo doesn't seem to listen to him much based on the TV coverage but you would think he had the best view & most recent knowledge of the rule book. 

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2 minutes ago, chuso007 said:

Honestly, I didn't know who this guy was until I saw the incident, after watching his attitude not then but since then, I find it very unlikely that I would feel any sympathy.

 

To be fair, he comes of as just as much of a dick when he was winning as when he is losing. So smug all the times that WOXI won.

Anybody remember the year Loyal beat WOXI over the line but got protested by the race committee for not radioing in? From my memory, instead of saying something like "I feel for them" or "it was decided on the water" he was more like "rules are rules" and you could tell he was hoping for that protest to get up so badly. In the end the protest was dismissed as far as I recall... maybe the IJ just has it in for poor Ricko :lol:.

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14 minutes ago, Ozee Adventure said:

100 foot doing a 720 at their earliest convenience (and no one elses) would have been an awesome sight & would not of have taken 27 mins

Correct, nobody would argue otherwise.  Should have done the turns like a true sportsman would.

how do you think it would look to those following the race and future competitors if someone was allowed to foul, refuse to do his turns and go on to win the race.  

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2 minutes ago, gregwilkins said:

The sport is called "sailing", not "power reaching"! The finish line is not at Tasman island for a reason! The fastest boat is the one that handles all the conditions encountered during the race and gets to the finish first without breaking anything including rules.

So C was fastest in this race, but she still is a design heavily biased to certain conditions and we saw how that nearly cost her the race and record.

WOXI is a great all rounder and can sail fast in a wider variety of conditions, but with the caveats that she needs diesel to do so and must not break main, keel or rules to get results.

Thats a fanboy look at the race.! Great effort by Oats with their mods, but sorry don't like Ricco's attitude. The Derwent is like a Las Vegas casino full of betting traps and rigged Pokie machines. The rules are there for a reason, if Oats showed some fucking regard things might have been different. But no the arrogance stinks. There is no law against being arrogant but we live in a world full of people, not individuals.! This was justice IMO and thank fuck

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10 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

I reckon it did look shit to the average punter to have it tied up in a protest that even sailors didn't understand. 

 

9 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

Yes they could have talked it over for 10-15 minutes & still said earliest  possible (spectator craft etc)

Chanel 7 should release the Audio!

You Scanas, Richo and Murray are the only sailors who doesn't understand, at least your in good company. 

Saying that I'm parking the K1Jimmy haters from the AC room who migrated to this bar to push their own prejudice. 

They have now slunk back home to down a Stienlarger or two and service their wooley GF/wife.

 

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4 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

It says two top teams need an international jury to sort out who is better 24 hours after you finish.

Father to Opti Kid - Now you can be anything you want to be in this world little johnny, but if you want to be a Yachty you better be a, doctor, lawyer, Engineer, Renewable energy tycoon or a three generation coffee & wine magnate son. 

It says two top teams need an IJ to sort out who sailed fairly and to the rules..... because one of them refuses to follow the rules of sailing WE ALL need to play by.

It also says to Opti kid it is OK to ignore the rules and show a lack of sportsmanship.

F@ck SCANAS..... do you even know how to sail?  Stay off my race course you loose unit.

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5 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

It says two top teams need an international jury to sort out who is better 24 hours after you finish.

Father to Opti Kid - Now you can be anything you want to be in this world little johnny, but if you want to be a Yachty you better be a, doctor, lawyer, Engineer, Renewable energy tycoon or a three generation coffee & wine magnate son. 

The best advice to a kid learning to race a boat is "learn the rules and respect them so when you win a race you can be proud of yourself, and when you lose it in a jury room you'll know why and learn something for the future"

The best advice to a kid anywhere in life is "there are rules for a reason and many reasons to follow the rules"

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1 hour ago, overlay said:

Richo sulks on National TV.

 

Richos minder has to congratulate Comanche to save Richos arse.

 

Richo skulks off and leaves the minder to front the press.

 

Funny stuff.

Is there a link to this somewhere??

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9 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

It says two top teams need an international jury to sort out who is better 24 hours after you finish.

Father to Opti Kid - Now you can be anything you want to be in this world little johnny, but if you want to be a Yachty you better be a, doctor, lawyer, Engineer, Renewable energy tycoon or a three generation coffee & wine magnate son. 

Inane comment Scan. watch this space.

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8 minutes ago, Ozee Adventure said:

100 foot doing a 720 at their earliest convenience (and no one elses) would have been an awesome sight & would not of have taken 27 mins

You are completely correct sir which just makes the fact they didn't do their turns all the more obviously stupid. As the RRS states "when competitors break a rule they will promptly take a penalty". 

They broke a rule and DIDN'T take a penalty so they broke a rule AND a basic principle of our sport.

You really think the jury should just award a penalty that was equal to the time a 720 would take? That is hardly a penalty for ignoring a basic principle.

They clearly thought they had or would get away with it - they were clearly wrong.

I would also state that your understanding of the rules is quite erroneous. Rule 44.2 "After getting well clear of other boats as soon as possible after the incident" NOT at THEIR earliest convenience. That may involve sailing to one side to "get clear of other boats". The rule doesn't say wait until there is a gap, they have to find that gap and get clear.

The rule is fairly simple English but misunderstood by many.

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20 minutes ago, chuso007 said:

Hey @jack_sparrow, didn't I read something yesterday about somebody wearing rabbit ears somewhere if ruling went like it did?

As I said at the time chus, have calender dated the next CYCA awards night and will PM him a reminder to show up dressed accordingly...and I'll have scrutiners in attendance.

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6 minutes ago, Tornado_ALIVE said:

Correct, nobody would argue otherwise.  Should have done the turns like a true sportsman would.

how do you think it would look to those following the race and future competitors if someone was allowed to foul, refuse to do his turns and go on to win the race.  

Totally agree, & just keep thinking about the old movie "The Gumball Rallye" & Raul Julia, so to paraphrase "the 1st rule of Richo driving is the other boats & the rules are UNIMPORTANT!" (I keep picturing a rear view mirror in his right for some weird reason).

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1 hour ago, overlay said:

Richo sulks on National TV.

 

Richos minder has to congratulate Comanche to save Richos arse.

 

Richo skulks off and leaves the minder to front the press.

 

Funny stuff.

So err that's the owner not the minder...

5 minutes ago, mad said:

Is there a link to this somewhere??

And here is a link: 

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Good to see that Hubris still leads to Nemesis. 

After getting passed offshore after her foul, and beaten cleanly to the Derwent, WOXI is hoist upon her own afterguards arrogance, negating either luck +/or skill in the crapshoot to the finish  

So they are losers per the original America’s Cup post race analysis: 

“... there is no second” 

Place your bets on her crew list and next race appearance

program is broken. Change is needed. 

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1 minute ago, jack_sparrow said:

As I said at the time chus, have calender dated the next CYCA awards night and will PM him a reminder to show up dressed accordingly...and I'll have scrutiners in attendance.

I hope that awards ceremony is broadcasted somewhere...

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3 minutes ago, chuso007 said:

The best advice to a kid learning to race a boat is "learn the rules and respect them so when you win a race you can be proud of yourself, and when you lose it in a jury room you'll know why and learn something for the future"

The best advice to a kid anywhere in life is "there are rules for a reason and many reasons to follow the rules"

pardon the language Chus but when I read your post I couldn't help myself.

Bloody right and bloody well said - the rules are there for a damn good reason and YES - not just in sailing.

One thing that has disappointed me in this thread are the number of people who seem to think that by winning using the rules it makes it any less of a victory.

I tell you what, for those that said or hinted at it, and that is had WOXI won after breaking the rules AND suggesting it was a non-issue (see Richards comments on the dock pre-hearing) then that would have done a huge dis-service to our sport

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30 minutes ago, couchsurfer said:

....why does Ian Murray,, the frikken tactician on WOXI get an exemption from shitslinging.??

Not convinced that there was time.  From the video it looks like Richo made the call and ran to the other side.  For all we know the tactician thought they were to cross.

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Just heard the post protest interview - Pleasantly surprised by Mark Richards comments - jumped up big style in my estimation and Mr Oatley's first words were to congratulate Comanche, well done sir! - normality resumes.

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7 minutes ago, LionessRacing said:

Good to see that Hubris still leads to Nemesis. 

After getting passed offshore after her foul, and beaten cleanly to the Derwent, WOXI is hoist upon her own afterguards arrogance, negating either luck +/or skill in the crapshoot to the finish  

Place your bets on her crew list and next race appearance

program is broken. Change is needed. 

I agree but this is a gentlemen's club . The biggest win for the Oatley's is they have a very fast boat. The mods vindicated.! Well done to the Oats team and Sandy for his sportsmanship. Well done to Fresh Burns for getting the down the course in line with the boats strengths, lot to look forward to for the team, will there be changes? I doubt it in the end Ricco spoke well in this interview.

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Just watched the ABC News.  Guy quoted other protests.  Apparently WO protested Investec Loyal in 2011 for 'seeking outside assistance'.  Protest dismissed

So the cunts are not unfamiliar with the rules, they just think that the rules only apply to other people.

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Tornado & JS are you talking my post about time to do the turns? Or something else? 

Ozee said earliest convenience, I corrected her, earliest possible, correct wording "as soon as possible" 

They definetly had time to talk it over & still do the turns "as soon as possible" by claiming they were "getting well Clear" of the the traffic coming up. 

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1 minute ago, random said:

Just watched the ABC News.  Guy quoted other protests.  Apparently WO protested Investec Loyal in 2011 for 'seeking outside assistance'.  Protest dismissed

So the cunts are not unfamiliar with the rules, they just think that the rules only apply to other people.

That was RC no? The time coxon asked the chopper what colour the sails were? 

Checking his work. 

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22 hours ago, LB 15 said:

So you know better than him? Stop making an ignorant cunt of yourself Dick wit. They can take all the trophys away but the truth remains. The are about to win there 8th Hobart race.

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Looked at the hole start again - really stupid from WO to get into that situation - taking a risk - they was much faster in those conditions anyway. 

 

And the winning boat - clearly decided by the conditions as they are so difference in hullshape; C the downhill slegde - but up the Derwent river - WO would win every time.

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2 minutes ago, SeaGul said:

clearly decided by the conditions as they are so difference in hullshape; C the downhill slegde - but up the Derwent river - WO would win every time.

Well they got to the river about the same time after 600 miles.  So much for the hull differences downwind.  C is too much of a specialist.

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36 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

It says two top teams need an international jury to sort out who is better 24 hours after you finish

Not who is better, who followed the rules on the way to the finish ...

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9 minutes ago, terrafirma said:

I agree but this is a gentlemen's club . The biggest win for the Oatley's is they have a very fast boat. The mods vindicated.! Well done to the Oats team and Sandy for his sportsmanship. Well done to Fresh Burns for getting the down the course in line with the boats strengths, lot to look forward to for the team, will there be changes? I doubt it in the end Ricco spoke well in this interview.

The late in the day gracious comments after the protest may ameliorate some of the arrogance on the water, and displayed before the decision.

A “gentleman” would have acknowledged their foul, done their turns, and perhaps won the race, or retired after failing to promptly do so.  Had WOXI crossed the line and announced RAF, that would have been acceptable, yet still arrogant  

In this this event, there were sadly few gentlemen aboard WOXI, and that is regrettable.

Mr Cooney seems to be the exemplary one in the incident so far. I wish him, his family and their team all the best.  

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Just now, resist said:

Not who is better, who followed the rules on the way to the finish ...

The question was what message does this give kids.  

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1 minute ago, SCANAS said:

The question was what message does this give kids.  

Don't be an arsehole arrogant cunt or you will be punished.

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1 minute ago, SCANAS said:

The question was what message does this give kids.  

There’s really no question. Just pages of fanboy equivocation and whingeing  

If you break the rules, you lose.

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2 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

The question was what message does this give kids.  

True. Many would argue that 3% time penalty was not enough for breaking most fundamental rule of sailing. 

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Just turned on computer to see the news!

Good decision in my view. The rules were broken and a penalty given

The sad fact for me is, if he had said "shit boys that was a bit close, my mistake lets do a 720" at the time and then completed the race as they did hunting down Comanche and winning, everyone would be lauding Mark Richards as a great sport and sailing legend

Sadly that is not the case

Cheers

Dave

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1 minute ago, random said:

Don't be an arsehole arrogant cunt or you will be punished.

Resist had it out of context now you really have it out of context. 

Thought you went sailing today to punish other boats, short crusade. 

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2 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

 I hope for Richo's sake, the WOXI brand and memory of his old boss, he is more circumspect with his utterances shortly at the Meet the Press, than the arrogant comments he made about the pending protest when stepping off the boat.

It was hard to find one more idiotic than this. (my emphasis)

“I think we were totally innocent at the incident at the start. It is not the America’s Cup, it is the Hobart. The rules are different. I am not concerned at all.”

A good lesson for anyone heading to the Jury Room...keep your bloody mouth shut.

He was circumspect up until he said, "It was a moral victory."

WTF? What does he think morals are?

He is clearly a sociopath. This, combined with the previous "rules are different" call indicates that he thinks that the rules that we all have to play by do not apply to him.

Considering the way that he has been seen to be treating his crew (previous years' start line footage) I suspect he may also be a psychopath.

Thank god that Sandy Oatley was there to politely pick up the pieces. But even he said that they would have to think about whether they come back next year. What does that mean? The Oatleys have had enough? Of the boat, of the race, or of their skipper?

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2 minutes ago, forss said:

True. Many would argue that 3% time penalty was not enough for breaking most fundamental rule of sailing. 

 

2 minutes ago, LionessRacing said:

There’s really no question. Just pages of fanboy equivocation and whingeing  

If you break the rules, you lose.

 

As Resist & Random have, you're both taking that post out of context it was an exchange with Tornado_Alive. 

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4 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

 

Thought you went sailing today to punish other boats, short crusade. 

I did, funni shit happened.

1. when the breeze dropped out someone said "looks like it's doing a Derwent"

2. when a port and starboard was approaching the same guy said "let's do a Richo!"

Edit: I forgot to add ... my faith in the rules of the sport I love has been vindicated.

 

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2 hours ago, sclarke said:

After today, I'm betting the IJ will have subscribed to it as well, and Jimmy would've come in second - again.

Betting in conjunction with your collection of farm animals of Jimmy being shafted by the IJ didn't sort of  work out for you did it. Would be interested to hear how you come good on that bet?? More time down the shed after 6pm with a tub of Vaseline?

Go back to your festering AC room of Jimmy haters stroking Grant Dalton cardboard lookalikes and don't come back here please.

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55 minutes ago, Bruno said:

Well, don't really agree with the jury, C shouldn't have altered down but the primary mistake was on W. If they were smart they'd have tacked earlier and to leeward, then chance of a foul is nil and in the lighter stuff probably could've pinched them off, dumb, over reaching, it happens.

C didn't "alter down". Read the jury findings.

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2 hours ago, terrafirma said:

Glad you said that Jack. I went from losing my money on Comanche to winning at $4.00 to collect a few hundred dollars. Where is that tosser TRT131 who reckoned this  was a no incident? I will say a few things, well done Oats the mods worked better than expected. Ricco you are an arrogant bugger and sometimes Karma loves blokes like you.! Comanche got to the river  3 miles ahead and the wind did them no favours, yes thats the course and Oats beat them over the line, but they weren't the fastest boat IMO. This is great for Hobart big boat lovers, the rivalry is now going to be intense. I don't see this as a hollow victory, Comanche led basically the whole way. To win the Hobart you need some luck but Ricco doesn't believe in the Karma gods. It is what is is, don't play the game if you don't believe in the rules.! @trt131 you are a tosser.!

Well I collected already on OATs... is it honourable to also go back and collect on Comanche? Someone in the TAB has made a big boo boo...

Just checked and they are paying both!! 

 

 

 

 

 

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11 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

 

 

As Resist & Random have, you're both taking that post out of context it was an exchange with Tornado_Alive. 

Nah, just responding to your use of the word "better", in the context of your post. I agree it shouldn't need an IJ.

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3 hours ago, sclarke said:

If its rule 13, doesn't that mean 10, 11 and 12 don't apply? The only rule that applies is 13, meaning the boat clear astern (Comanche) must keep clear.

All over now but interesting that nobody was flagging up RRS 15 which, if WOXI had not been binned on 13, would have been their next hurdle.

Correct result from the jury.

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16 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

 

 

As Resist & Random have, you're both taking that post out of context it was an exchange with Tornado_Alive. 

I've answered your question, now go learn the rules and some sportsmanship before returning to the water.

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20 minutes ago, (p)Irate said:

Thank god that Sandy Oatley was there to politely pick up the pieces. But even he said that they would have to think about whether they come back next year. What does that mean? The Oatleys have had enough? Of the boat, of the race, or of their skipper?

This race was their 100' swansong ...by not doing a 720 penalty that song will never be played. 

Arrogant Dickheads.

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1 minute ago, Tornado_ALIVE said:

Now go learn the rules and some sportsmanship before returning to the water.

You've lost me. See post 3145 is that what you are on about. 

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2 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

This race was their 100' swansong ...by not doing a 720 penalty that song will never be played. Dickheads.

Post 3156 ^ Have to come now. 

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1 hour ago, Ozee Adventure said:

would not of have taken 27 mins

and that there is the crux of it

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32 minutes ago, random said:

Well they got to the river about the same time after 600 miles.  So much for the hull differences downwind.  C is too much of a specialist.

Yes bec the conditions varied...  we also could see it in the start - WO took an amateurs start avoiding problems and waited - but later did the opposite - get into trouble they easy could have avoided. But WO could have taken a early lead by more agressive start and using its advantage in those conditions witch made C struggle and loosing to Black Pearl.

And when you meet the only real competition in a give way situation - and JS is the skipper on the other boat - its a no brainer - to stay away.

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1 hour ago, shanghaisailor said:

 I would also state that your understanding of the rules is quite erroneous. Rule 44.2 "After getting well clear of other boats as soon as possible after the incident" NOT at THEIR earliest convenience. That may involve sailing to one side to "get clear of other boats". The rule doesn't say wait until there is a gap, they have to find that gap and get clear. 

learnt that one pretty thoroughly at Laser Worlds in the 80's.  the IJ asked how long I took to do circles, how long the protester took to pop his flag,, ended up throwing us both out.

   'First reasonable opportunity' was now defined as -immediately-,, the jury used their own ruling from the previous worlds as the precedent they followed.  <_<   :wacko:

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1 hour ago, SCANAS said:

I reckon it did look shit to the average punter to have it tied up in a protest that even sailors didn't understand. 

Speak for yourself, to many here it was blatantly obvious. 

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Correct judgement by the jury. Good job well done. I am grateful to them for sending out the correct message to the wider sailing fraternity.

The amazing thing about this forum is to see quite how many people clearly do not understand this, the most basic of all the rules. These people seem not even to understand the reason why this rule is necessary!

All the people who have seen the video and cannot understand that the issue was simple and clear and the jury is right are dangerous people who should never helm a sailboat.

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3 minutes ago, mad said:

Speak for yourself, to many here it was blatantly obvious. 

Average non sailing public I meant. Have a read of the Facebook comments under the news articles. 

My favourite was "who cares about these elitist shits" 

John Edward Berry 3h ago 

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1 hour ago, Ozee Adventure said:

ma'am to you...

Would have given them at least a reputation of being sportsmen like 

If Mr Richards worked for me he'd be getting his pink slip tonight 

Apologies Ozee, Ma'am.

Well said. He is certainly no Paul Elvstrom

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1 hour ago, rogerfal said:

ll over now but interesting that nobody was flagging up RRS 15

I did.

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1 hour ago, Ozee Adventure said:

If Mr Richards worked for me he'd be getting his pink slip tonight 

I agree.  Let's see if he gets to steer again. 

He should be pastured with that motor boat he has been sailing.  Three fails now, times up!

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