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3 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

SA Regs 3.23.3 or No less height than immediately under the top of the fence ...which interestingly Shaggy doesn't comply with?

He will be overjoyed you brought this up. Lucky you have enough time to organise a replacement ride. :-)

 

2 hours ago, LB 15 said:

We don't need no stinking rules...

Actually on a more serious note LB I was just informed about Greg Cavill Snr's passing. Maybe not a sailing man of repute but someone who has forgotton more about boats than most of us know, the ones he owned were all classics and one of some, very instrumental to ensuring yours, Scans, Lydia's etc Club (which you bitch about rightly or wrongly) is not now sitting underneath the Story Bridge as a massage parlour for Chinese tourists. 

Large family for a non-Cathlolic with some involved including one son who was a rigger for the winning 83 Americas Cup or was it the defence, and another in cahoots with the Wright brothers of Norman Wright fame who basically own the B2G record book using the world's most modified Diamond so it could get to the start line in a Cat 2 Offshore Race.

Hearing that about Grumpy made me gain a few years over and above the NY clock turning over last night. RIP.

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17 hours ago, SCANAS said:

Idle seems very very high Joakim (but unlike a manufacturer to put out high numbers)

Do you mean 50/Lph is at WOT or the full load a modern common rail 250hp would use running the on board hydraulics say 2000/2500rpm.

The values I gave were measured by a Magizine comparing these three marine engines. WOT was at full speed and 4000-4250 rpm. The consumption at 2000-2500 rpm depends on how much power is taken from the engine, which could be anything from a few HP to 150 HP or even 200 HP for these engines. The consumption will be about 0.2 l/h hor each HP used. I have no idea how many HP the on board hydraulics (and charging) takes.

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22 hours ago, LionessRacing said:

For historic perspective from NYTimes 1991

The increasing costs of maxi-yachts and changes in the handicapping rules have forced owners to step back for a while, Kilroy said. "Technology has brought in a lot of additional changes, but also at a very substantial cost," he said. The price for campaigning a Class A maxi-yacht has gone up about 75 percent in the last three years, Kilroy said, to about $4.5 million.” 

Roll that forwards 25 yrs...

for 15 basic crew plus navigator, tactician and skipper you are going to need at least one person ashore to manage logistics, and a boat captain full time 

for arguments sake, let crew compensation be $1000 US per sailing day, and $250/day accommodations. For a 600 mile race, you probably have a 2 week minimum to include working up boat, training and actual race. 

Assume boat captain is full time and annual $200k compensation including benefits 

delivery crew, food and fuel, dockage etc $10,000

haulout, divers, riggers $100k

$1250x15x14= $262500 plus airfare, round to $300k. 

Only a wild guess at what Spithill/Honey would charge for a race, but it’s not hard to put that at $200k each plus first class accommodation. Call the afterguard costs $1 million 

6 annual sails at $250k each $1.5 million 

you could get to nearly $3 million just to race once.

big money for the afterguard 

would make me even more angry if i owned WOXI.. i think i would withhold wages !!!

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3 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

I should stop posting to this inane P/S lighting merry-go-round and go do something more useful...trouble with being an orphan and the twins being away visiting their father.

BTW no thread drift...the one on the rights nickname is "Greeny".

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Any more pics of the twins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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On 31/12/2017 at 10:59 PM, LionessRacing said:

For historic perspective from NYTimes 1991

The increasing costs of maxi-yachts and changes in the handicapping rules have forced owners to step back for a while, Kilroy said. "Technology has brought in a lot of additional changes, but also at a very substantial cost," he said. The price for campaigning a Class A maxi-yacht has gone up about 75 percent in the last three years, Kilroy said, to about $4.5 million.” 

Roll that forwards 25 yrs...

for 15 basic crew plus navigator, tactician and skipper you are going to need at least one person ashore to manage logistics, and a boat captain full time 

for arguments sake, let crew compensation be $1000 US per sailing day, and $250/day accommodations. For a 600 mile race, you probably have a 2 week minimum to include working up boat, training and actual race. 

Assume boat captain is full time and annual $200k compensation including benefits 

delivery crew, food and fuel, dockage etc $10,000

haulout, divers, riggers $100k

$1250x15x14= $262500 plus airfare, round to $300k. 

Only a wild guess at what Spithill/Honey would charge for a race, but it’s not hard to put that at $200k each plus first class accommodation. Call the afterguard costs $1 million 

6 annual sails at $250k each $1.5 million 

you could get to nearly $3 million just to race once.

Lion you have normally been on my take note of what this guy says list until you posted this bit of shit you just pulled out of your arse.

First your Kilroy quotes are reality circa 1991 however both Kilroy and you conveniently ommited to not mention this was at the end of a decade long big dick war involving himself and the likes of first George Coumantaros, owner of Boomerang and then followed up by Bill Koch owner of Matador and others. Kilroy was right in the middle of that long war writing cheques as fast as anyone, and promoting the extinction of the big boat species, but they didn't know it, or wanted to know about. Yet he complains about it rest his soul when he had enough to close the cheque book. That is disengenous at its best.

Second your assumption the afterguard salaries today on a 100' are one million dollars to do a Hobart or Stan Honey picks up $200k plus expenses to do it on Comanche?? WTF. You obviously don't mix in professional sailing circles to sprout that exaggerated shit.

But for the benefit of the doubt are you maybe mixing this all up with crop circles maybe??

Hint. Your estimates are not just overstated, ie yours of a Boat Captain on a 100' just getting $200k pa is very much understated. Why, well without them it doesn't get to the runway, and if it breaks midway they are the only one who can get it going again. Comanche didn't finish 2015 S2H by magic.

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3 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Your estimates are not just overstated, ie yours of a Boat Captain on a 100' just getting $200k pa is very much understated. Why, well without them it doesn't get to the runway, and if it breaks midway they are the only one who can get it going again. Comanche didn't finish 2015 S2H by magic.

 

Appreciate your comments, no, I don’t mix with professional sailors, other than local sailmakers in beer can races. 

For what it’s worth,

  • I’m using US dollars. 
  • Stated the 1991 at the top.
  • In the quote from Kilroy, he states there had been a Technology war, that had driven prices up.
    • technology rate in sailing just due to materials costs since 1991 has been pretty steep, hence >$ 10 million builds (Carbon vs Alloy spars, sail materials, carbon hulls, canting keels ) 
    • design & testing fees probably kept pace 
    • resulting in fewer boats in those sizes, and increased focus on leveraging capital
  • Regarding boat captain, I’m basing on a US commercial license of 100 ton range, with knowledge of boat’s systems and ability to coordinate with shore overhauls, do onboard patching 
    • Have a cousin who’s mate on a 125’ oceangoing US tug with as reference.
  • As regards “superstar” talent, you think I’m very high, fair nuff, give a better price to have “best in ....” talent. 
    • No doubt there are many who would do for the glory.
    • some who would come along because they wanted a ride, or to build resume 
    • doubt Spithill or Honey needed a ride to build CV, and if they wanted one, would have many to pick from
    • what do you think the preparatory time is including travel for a navigator? 
    • US & FIFA salaries for star athletes, and F1 drivers are astronomical, market rates should apply 
  • the argument might be made made by pointing to the results of using “cheap” talent, and losing due to bad decisions, nothing quite as expensive as second best when it gets down to lawyers and experts. 

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12 minutes ago, couchsurfer said:

....what time is the 4th leg starting?   Pacific time?   

wrong thready couch ;)

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1 hour ago, ASP said:

wrong thready couch ;)

 

   ...darnit Mrs Couch is playin John and Yoko all day... can't focus on what's important!   :mellow:    :(

...happy new year!

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26 minutes ago, SloopJohnB said:

Does anyone have Blackjack's AIS number I would like to track them back to Brisbane thanks

 

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Now this thread is wound down and drifting like Rimas perhaps its time to close it off. Its been an eye opener to witness how differently a few saw the incident. Makes you grateful you're not like them but also scary that you have to share the road with them and, worse, much worse have them on the Protest Committee at your local yacht club making things up as they go. Maybe its time to have no fees for an appeal based on this example in an attempt to infuse some confidence in the so called system of sailing justice. Its easy to understand after this how some of the local yokel decisions are arrived at. Morons, but the power is in their hands and they know it !  A few reversals at appeal might get rid of them ?

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59 minutes ago, armchairadmiral said:

Now this thread is wound down and drifting like Rimas perhaps its time to close it off. Its been an eye opener to witness how differently a few saw the incident. Makes you grateful you're not like them but also scary that you have to share the road with them and, worse, much worse have them on the Protest Committee at your local yacht club making things up as they go. Maybe its time to have no fees for an appeal based on this example in an attempt to infuse some confidence in the so called system of sailing justice. Its easy to understand after this how some of the local yokel decisions are arrived at. Morons, but the power is in their hands and they know it !  A few reversals at appeal might get rid of them ?

The problem is usually the facts found and you can not appeal about them. E.g. in this case the facts found state that C luffed to avoid a collision before WO completed her tack. If the facts found would have been that WO completed her tack before C luffed or needed to luff and thus WO broke no rule, no appeal could change that.

I was one of those who thought it is not obvious that WO has broken a rule. I don't think that it is possible to see from the three videos that have been publicly available how much room there was between the boats when WO completed her tack or would WO have been able to cross. Jury certainly had more video material, witnesses and likely instrument data. Later someone from WO said it was 4-5 m, which is not that much. How much would be enough in daylight and not that rough conditions between two 30 m boats driven by world class crew at 9 knots? 10 m? Or even less.

If the facts found would have said there was 4-5 m between the boats, then an appeal could have changed the decision based on that fact. Of course not in this case, since there is no appeal from IJ decissions.

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33 minutes ago, Joakim said:

If the facts found would have said there was 4-5 m between the boats, then an appeal could have changed the decision based on that fact.

Why? That is <1 second (@ 9k) short of a collision so accuracy of a decision on the tack being completed would be good < 1/2 second either way? 

An AC style on course umpire with eyes and data to burn would be struggling to attain that accuracy, let alone a jury. 

WOXI cooked their own goose with that 4/5 m and clear claim. The video and data evidence then buried them.

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24 minutes ago, Joakim said:

The problem is usually the facts found and you can not appeal about them. E.g. in this case the facts found state that C luffed to avoid a collision before WO completed her tack. If the facts found would have been that WO completed her tack before C luffed or needed to luff and thus WO broke no rule, no appeal could change that.

I was one of those who thought it is not obvious that WO has broken a rule. I don't think that it is possible to see from the three videos that have been publicly available how much room there was between the boats when WO completed her tack or would WO have been able to cross. Jury certainly had more video material, witnesses and likely instrument data. Later someone from WO said it was 4-5 m, which is not that much. How much would be enough in daylight and not that rough conditions between two 30 m boats driven by world class crew at 9 knots? 10 m? Or even less.

If the facts found would have said there was 4-5 m between the boats, then an appeal could have changed the decision based on that fact. Of course not in this case, since there is no appeal from IJ decissions.

And how would appealing change the facts found?

Ultimately it doesn't really matter whether WOXI even broke the rule.  What matters is that they put themselves in a situation where 90% of the time, they were going to lose that protest. Whether or not there was 1 meter of separation or 5 meters doesn't matter, what matters is how things APPEAR to the protest committee. 

Sure, one can make the argument that WOXI might have lost the race if they did a spin and let Comache sail away into different pressure and weather conditions. But they were almost CERTAIN to lose the race in the protest room. Math doesn't add up as to why they didn't duck or spin, ESPECIALLY because neither boat was anywhere near lay-line yet. 

I can only imagine that WOXI somehow thought that if they beat Comanche over the line (which they did) then Comanche would "do the right thing" and not file the protest, and I think that is perhaps far worse than committing the foul in the first place. 

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8 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

WOXI's downfall was going to Hobart and not having a barber/beautician on board prepared for a IJ hearing.

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C’mon guys. Show a little class and leave her out of this mess. 

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Leaving aside the legalities, how long would/does it take to actually complete a 720 and get back up to speed in a canting maxi?

It must be a serious exercise in logistics.

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19 minutes ago, greasy al said:

Leaving aside the legalities, how long would/does it take to actually complete a 720 and get back up to speed in a canting maxi?

It must be a serious exercise in logistics.

 

11 minutes ago, xsailmakerSYD said:

10 mins max.....   just center the keel and put a team on the runners !   oh... cancel that about the runners... just press the button for the winch.

Any takers on 4 ~ 4.5 minutes in conditions that were in play at the time  ?   From time of altercation between WO and C,  WO was 5 minutes from next mark, C was 6 minutes.

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i'm still very impressed with how much deeper WO was able to sail than C . the mods really paid off. if wind angle was just a wee bit different C would have been long gone. WO is definitely the best all arounder .

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Could WOXI do the turns quicker than CQS & its massive horizontal foil? It takes CQS a full minute to do one 360 in less breeze. They furled the heady, main centred, both runners on. 

Say 10 mins from starting & finishing the procedure, including say 1-2 mins at a dead stop & the rest at reduced speed getting setup up & time winding back up? 

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5 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

Could WOXI do the turns quicker than CQS & its massive horizontal foil? It takes CQS a full minute to do one 360 in less breeze. They furled the heady, main centred, both runners on. 

Say 10 mins from starting & finishing the procedure, including say 1-2 mins at a dead stop & the rest at reduced speed getting setup up & time winding back up? 

Throwing around an IACC yacht ( at 25,000 kg + crew) would be a reference - the winged appendages (on IACC yacht) would help by approx 15 / 20 seconds per tack over WO appendage geometry ~ can't see more than 4 to 4.5 minutes as mentioned.

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I recall Richo saying you have to admit and learn from your mistakes, citing his experience jumping  off OneAustralia when it snapped in half and went to the bottom. 

Pity he didn't push that rewind button before making his post hearing comments.

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10 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Why? That is <1 second (@ 9k) short of a collision so accuracy of a decision on the tack being completed would be good < 1/2 second either way? 

An AC style on course umpire with eyes and data to burn would be struggling to attain that accuracy, let alone a jury. 

WOXI cooked their own goose with that 4/5 m and clear claim. The video and data evidence then buried them.

I was replying to armchairadmiral who thought that some juries make bad decissions and appealing should have no fee (there is no fee around here). So if a "bad jury" made a decission of no penalty, but stated there was 4-5 m between the boats an appeal could lead to a penalty by making a different conlusion from the same facts.

9 knots is 4.6 m/s so C would have advanced that 4-5 m in one second. But WO was moving too. Maybe 5-6 knots after the tack and accelerating? So the speed difference was perhaps 3-4 knots and thus 2-3 seconds to collision. How much is enough time for avoiding?

But the facts found state they were already on collision course before the tack. That must mean tacking right in front left no space at all when the tack was completed. So IJ didn't seem to agree with the 4-5 m.

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6 hours ago, Joakim said:
17 hours ago, jack_sparrow said:

Why? That is <1 second (@ 9k) short of a collision so accuracy of a decision on the tack being completed would be good < 1/2 second either way? 

An AC style on course umpire with eyes and data to burn would be struggling to attain that accuracy, let alone a jury. 

WOXI cooked their own goose with that 4/5 m and clear claim. The video and data evidence then buried them.

 

9 knots is 4.6 m/s so C would have advanced that 4-5 m in one second. But WO was moving too. Maybe 5-6 knots after the tack and accelerating? So the speed difference was perhaps 3-4 knots and thus 2-3 seconds to collision. How much is enough time for avoiding?

There are two problems with your calculation.

Firstly it was WOXI's stated 4/5m clearance at the time they believed they had completed the tack and were clear with rights. There is no addition to that by what ever speed WOXI had at the time. It is a snapshot in time, not a movie.

Two if they had in their own words at that pointbcompleted their tack, then they would hardly be doing 5/6 knots, however it was there would be no addition to that as explained above.

The evidence is in the attached photo. Look where C bowsprit is and that is after C had luffed up to both avoid a collision and scrub off speed. Or in the space of 4/5 metres / 1 second the entire length of a 100' boat suddenly leapt sideways?

If they hadn't avoided, and before WOXI completed its tack, Richo would be wearing an interesting piece of carbon arse jewelry today.

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24 minutes ago, jack_sparrow said:

There are two problems with your calculation.

Firstly it was WOXI's stated 4/5m clearance at the time they believed they had completed the tack and were clear with rights. There is no addition to that by what ever speed WOXI had at the time. It is a snapshot in time, not a movie.

Two if they had in their own words at that pointbcompleted their tack, then they would hardly be doing 5/6 knots, however it was there would be no addition to that as explained above.

The evidence is in the attached photo. Look where C bowsprit is and that is after C had luffed up to both avoid a collision and scrub off speed. Or in the space of 4/5 metres / 1 second the entire length of a 100' boat suddenly leapt sideways?

If they hadn't avoided, and before WOXI completed its tack, Richo would be wearing an interesting piece of carbon arse jewelry today.

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I'm not saying there was 4-5 m, that's just what Richo said. At what point is that picture? How many seconds after WO finished their tack? I haven't seen a video from which you could really see both the distance and the time of tack finished.

I would be generally interested what is the required time or space between the boats for not getting a penalty from rule 13 or 15 in those conditions. What would your estimation be for the speed of WO after tacking?

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4 minutes ago, Joakim said:

I'm not saying there was 4-5 m, that's just what Richo said. At what point is that picture?

Read what I said and it also wasn't that. I'm out.

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WOXI fan boys are still in denial - very boring.

Says much about the human condition!

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1 hour ago, Joakim said:

I'm not saying there was 4-5 m, that's just what Richo said. At what point is that picture? How many seconds after WO finished their tack? I haven't seen a video from which you could really see both the distance and the time of tack finished.

I would be generally interested what is the required time or space between the boats for not getting a penalty from rule 13 or 15 in those conditions. What would your estimation be for the speed of WO after tacking?

The picture is a screenshot from the onboard video by the media person. I think C is already altering course at that point, and going faster than WO.  Can't be determined if WO has already completed their tack, though.

Consider, that WO has just panic-tacked directly in front of C,  the sprit extends several feet in front of bow, Spithill is 80+ feet astern of bow, and his main reference point is his bowman signaling to him. Too close, IMO.

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1 hour ago, rogerfal said:

WOXI fan boys are still in denial - very boring.

Says much about the human condition!

If you are refering to me, I'm quite far from a WOXI fan boy. I'm just interested in the rules. I'm sure IJ made the correct decission and think one hour was a really small penalty for breaking rule 13.

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15 minutes ago, Joakim said:

If you are refering to me, I'm quite far from a WOXI fan boy. I'm just interested in the rules. I'm sure IJ made the correct decission and think one hour was a really small penalty for breaking rule 13.

Fair play.

Apols - it just amazes me the amount of people who have posted saying the jury got it wrong and the bleating about the penalty.

Speaking broadly about what keeping clear is and how much room is enough room is very condition and boat type dependent as I'm sure you appreciate.

Cheers

 

 

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On 12/27/2017 at 8:43 PM, Yo....v said:

 

The lard arse boggs down in the light - Oats lakes Line but  gets pinged in the protest

 

Thats a fact Jack

 

Yo.

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On 1/2/2018 at 12:58 PM, bigrpowr said:

i'm still very impressed with how much deeper WO was able to sail than C . the mods really paid off. if wind angle was just a wee bit different C would have been long gone. WO is definitely the best all arounder .

Perhaps but without a pilot it doesn't matter does it..!

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On 12/28/2017 at 10:01 PM, robberzdog said:

And how far do you think they would have had to sail to get clear of all other boats, plus the spectator fleet and get it all done before they got to Z buoy when the alternative penalty option ran out? New Zealand?

It is crazy and dangerous to expect a supermaxi to be doing consecutive 720 turns in a situation like that. It is mayhem on the water at a Sydney Hobart start.  Comanche would have lost all of 20 secs from their luff - a 15 minute time penalty is reasonable.

Utter bollox. There was loads of space, and there is nothing about not being able to take it after the Z buoy. The penalty is where the incident took place. Sail away do you turns. If not you are a cheater and you accept the penalty. 

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On 29/12/2017 at 6:01 AM, mad said:

That’s painful just to watch. 

I find the Clipper boats to be exactly that.

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Here's a newly question, why are multis banned from this event, especially since they are cheaper(?) to use if you compare say a MOD70 with a similar sized Maxi. Can someone enlighten me/correct me please?

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17 hours ago, SCANAS said:

^ Musics a bit much but otherwise great video. 

Respectfully - the music is better than many of the other options! A la Bow Caddy Productions...

This track is from Deep Blue Orchestra, a QLD based (mainly strings) group. I saw them play live years ago at a festival, and they actually f*cking ROCKED. 5,000 people moshing to violins wasn't something I'd ever expected to see in this lifetime.

 

Their cover of the Stones "Paint it Black" is a belting track.

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2 minutes ago, Jason AUS said:

Respectfully - the music is better than many of the other options! A la Bow Caddy Productions...

This track is from Deep Blue Orchestra, a QLD based (mainly strings) group. I saw them play live years ago at a festival, and they actually f*cking ROCKED. 5,000 people moshing to violins wasn't something I'd ever expected to see in this lifetime.

 

Their cover of the Stones "Paint it Black" is a belting track.

On that basis, A bit googling is needed. I’m trying to imagine the scene at the festival!

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On 1/3/2018 at 4:22 AM, RKoch said:

The picture is a screenshot from the onboard video by the media person. I think C is already altering course at that point, and going faster than WO.  Can't be determined if WO has already completed their tack, though.

Consider, that WO has just panic-tacked directly in front of C,  the sprit extends several feet in front of bow, Spithill is 80+ feet astern of bow, and his main reference point is his bowman signaling to him. Too close, IMO.

Stan Honey supplied the actual track to the IJ from the $200,000 wiz bang compass dohicky that gives EXACT course / track every 0.9 second. This proved that Spitty did not hunt WO and only altered course to starboard to avoid a collision... 

On 1/5/2018 at 1:14 AM, randomlurker said:

Utter bollox. There was loads of space, and there is nothing about not being able to take it after the Z buoy. The penalty is where the incident took place. Sail away do you turns. If not you are a cheater and you accept the penalty. 

Agree.... they had a shit ton of room... ridiculous comment...

12 hours ago, Raptorsailor said:

Here's a newly question, why are multis banned from this event, especially since they are cheaper(?) to use if you compare say a MOD70 with a similar sized Maxi. Can someone enlighten me/correct me please?

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11 hours ago, SCANAS said:

If Tohatsu or the Duck manufacturer don't give him a deal they're mad! 

They gave him a deal on two motors.... Gemini (boats) gave him a boat for cost.  He spent a lot of his own money.

He is actually one of my friends.... go easy on me fellows

 

13 minutes ago, Jason AUS said:

Respectfully - the music is better than many of the other options! A la Bow Caddy Productions...

This track is from Deep Blue Orchestra, a QLD based (mainly strings) group. I saw them play live years ago at a festival, and they actually f*cking ROCKED. 5,000 people moshing to violins wasn't something I'd ever expected to see in this lifetime.

 

Their cover of the Stones "Paint it Black" is a belting track.

HAHAHA   you are just a big surprise package some times Jas

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20 minutes ago, mad said:

On that basis, A bit googling is needed. I’m trying to imagine the scene at the festival!

Start with this - it's their cover of Misrilou from Pulp Fiction.

 

 

 

The festival was back in 2011, and it would be fair to say that there were some mind bending (and not necessarily legal) substances on offer.

 

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1 hour ago, SCANAS said:

Full credit to him PIL my only question was why a 2 stroke! 

I don't have a sensible answer for this other than we all use the 2 stroke Tohatsu or Yamaha 3 cylinder 50hp for power / weight and the fact that when we roll our boats (Usually surf racing) we can clear the water from cylinders / carbies quickly and restart... Nathan practiced this many times before he left and got it down to 15 minutes ( right the boat with roll over straps) and get the motor going.  It's also why he went with the premixed motor as opposed to the oil injected model.

 

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23 minutes ago, PIL007 said:

I don't have a sensible answer for this other than we all use the 2 stroke Tohatsu or Yamaha 3 cylinder 50hp for power / weight and the fact that when we roll our boats (Usually surf racing) we can clear the water from cylinders / carbies quickly and restart... Nathan practiced this many times before he left and got it down to 15 minutes ( right the boat with roll over straps) and get the motor going.  It's also why he went with the premixed motor as opposed to the oil injected model.

 

good to hear there was some serious thought put into it from an insider. It certainly looked like he geared up properly from that vid., but all you get from the media soundbites is 'spur of the moment' bullshit.

 

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14 minutes ago, duncan (the other one) said:

good to hear there was some serious thought put into it from an insider. It certainly looked like he geared up properly from that vid., but all you get from the media soundbites is 'spur of the moment' bullshit.

 

He was fully prepared 

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19 minutes ago, SCANAS said:

3 years he said. 

(I) Hadn't thought of capsize recovery. 

Yep... roll the boat back over end for end .... engine needs bottom carbie drained (they all drain to the bottom)  Plugs out, pull pull pull pull and more to get rid of salt water that got sucked through the carbie... squirt "Start ya bastard" and fuel down the plug holes and down carbie throat, put 2 x plugs back in and get it to fire then put the last plug in and half electrocute yourself with trying to put the last plug lead on... Done... rev the fuck out of it for 30 mins and it's like a bought one

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1 hour ago, Jason AUS said:

Get f*cked.

Better?

 

Or do I need to post pictures of bewbs?

Better. The level of polite manners was unacceptable....Cunt

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9 hours ago, jackolantern said:

Envy scooters video is great.

 

I seem to recall there being some great video from that boat as Ichi Ban during last year's hobart but I can't find it. Can anyone help? 

Can't find the Ichi ones but here's some Balance stuff..

 

 

 

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13 hours ago, Next Level said:

Here’s the ichi ban footage from 16.

 

Calling Jack Sparrow..... good footage and Sophie..... 

Don't make a mess Jack

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"He is the prominent businessman whose roaring success in the steel and livestock industries gifted him opportunities like racing in the Sydney to Hobart"

Roaring success in the drug trade allowing him to launder the money into his other businesses to make them look successful - is what they should of said. 

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5 hours ago, Next Level said:

Raced on Wot Eva according to his college website that proudly posted a photo of him before removing the page :) 

http://rolexsydneyhobart.com/the-yachts/2017/pyr-arnoldcowot-eva/

 

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