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58 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

I hope we get better than that - anyone but Clinton got us here. 

No. The Republican party primary voters choosing a batshit crazy lunatic who'd yell wish fulfillment bullshit got us here. They had plenty of people to choose from and the picked the least qualified - by whatever metric you want to use, capability, intelligence, morals, work ethic - candidate in the history of the US. Then the Republican party went all in supporting this moron.

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1 hour ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:
2 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

I hope we get better than that - anyone but Clinton got us here. 

No. The Republican party primary voters choosing a batshit crazy lunatic who'd yell wish fulfillment bullshit got us here. They had plenty of people to choose from and the picked the least qualified - by whatever metric you want to use, capability, intelligence, morals, work ethic - candidate in the history of the US. Then the Republican party went all in supporting this moron.

I think you two are talking about different things

Trump's success in the primary? Yeah that's a very telling point about just how fucked up the core of the Republican Party is..... and therefor it shouldn't come as a surprise that an advertising campaign of essentially the same substantiveness as "If you like Pepsi, you gotta fuckin' hate-hate-HATE Coke" succeeded in convincing an even greater number of Republicans that "anybody but Clinton" was the desired result. Helped by the KKK and Nazis.

The fact that the enthusiasm of the KKK and Nazis and other assorted lowlifes is what put Trump over the top and gave him the win ought to be a huge wake-up for American politics in general.

-DSK

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9 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

 

The fact that the enthusiasm of the KKK and Nazis and other assorted lowlifes is what put Trump over the top and gave him the win ought to be a huge wake-up for American politics in general.

-DSK

 

truth. 

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26 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

The fact that the enthusiasm of the KKK and Nazis and other assorted lowlifes is what put Trump over the top and gave him the win ought to be a huge wake-up for American politics in general.

Jeff will be by shortly to correct you. He'll tell you that if Democrats had only nominated anyone but Hillary, that Republicans, perhaps even Jeff himself would have gladly voted for whomever it was. Indeed that we only have Democrats to blame for our sorry situation. The KKK and Nazis, some of who I assume are good people, are not responsible. And those KKK and Nazis are only reacting to antifa provocation. And stuff.

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2 minutes ago, Olsonist said:

Jeff will be by shortly to correct you. He'll tell you that if Democrats had only nominated anyone but Hillary, then Republicans, perhaps even Jeff himself, would have gladly voted for whomever it was. Indeed that we only have Democrats to blame for our sorry situation. The KKK and Nazis, some who I assume are good people, are not responsible. And stuff. 

JHC first you miss a comma and then write a sentence like "The KKK and Nazis, some who I assume are good people, are not responsible."

We're trying to hold the non-reich-wingers here to some standard of literacy, at a minimum it should be "some of whom" if not a completely different (non-Prussian preferably) word order.

Did you never diagram sentences in grade school? Philistine!

-DSK

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23 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

I think you two are talking about different things

Trump's success in the primary? Yeah that's a very telling point about just how fucked up the core of the Republican Party is..... and therefor it shouldn't come as a surprise that an advertising campaign of essentially the same substantiveness as "If you like Pepsi, you gotta fuckin' hate-hate-HATE Coke" succeeded in convincing an even greater number of Republicans that "anybody but Clinton" was the desired result. Helped by the KKK and Nazis.

The fact that the enthusiasm of the KKK and Nazis and other assorted lowlifes is what put Trump over the top and gave him the win ought to be a huge wake-up for American politics in general.

-DSK

Oh, sure, they hated Hillary. They still hate Hillary. But hating Hillary doesn't require supporting Trump much less liking him.

And Republicans love Trump. He gets stellar ratings from them in everything he does. 100+ weeks of the Trump presidency and Republicans haven't felt bad about a damn thing he's done and still support him in droves. We are where we are because Republicans picked the crazy lunatic and still support the crazy lunatic. So, lets treat them as the party of the crazy lunatic, err Donald Trump. Lets not pretend they are what they obviously aren't anymore. Flake/Corkers/Romney - they just bullshit to make themselves feel better and fall right back in line supporting Trump.

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1 minute ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Oh, sure, they hated Hillary. They still hate Hillary. But hating Hillary doesn't require supporting Trump much less liking him.

And Republicans love Trump. He gets stellar ratings from them in everything he does. 100+ weeks of the Trump presidency and Republicans haven't felt bad about a damn thing he's done and still support him in droves. We are where we are because Republicans picked the crazy lunatic and still support the crazy lunatic. So, lets treat them as the party of the crazy lunatic, err Donald Trump. Lets not pretend they are what they obviously aren't anymore.

Here's a great idea: why don't you, and as many other libby-rull whackoes as you can get, act like assholes yourselves?

That will certainly do the trick of convincing a lot of Republicans who are uncomfortable with Trump to get off the bus.

-DSK

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4 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

JHC first you miss a comma and then write a sentence like "The KKK and Nazis, some who I assume are good people, are not responsible."

We're trying to hold the non-reich-wingers here to some standard of literacy, at a minimum it should be "some of whom" if not a completely different (non-Prussian preferably) word order.

Did you never diagram sentences in grade school? Philistine!

-DSK

And I was so proud of myself for getting whomever correct that I didn't double check. Doh!

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2 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Here's a great idea: why don't you, and as many other libby-rull whackoes as you can get, act like assholes yourselves?

That will certainly do the trick of convincing a lot of Republicans who are uncomfortable with Trump to get off the bus.

-DSK

Seriously, Republicans are quite happy with Shitstain and there's absolutely nothing we can do or not do to change that situation. He polls at like 90% amongst Republicans. Liberals are trying to convince independents and judging from November, we've done a decent job.

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5 minutes ago, Steam Flyer said:

Here's a great idea: why don't you, and as many other libby-rull whackoes as you can get, act like assholes yourselves?

That will certainly do the trick of convincing a lot of Republicans who are uncomfortable with Trump to get off the bus.

-DSK

what we do doesn't matter. they need to hit rock bottom and there's a ways to go. in case you missed the Obama years - whatever happens they'll frame it as bad. It's about opposition, not reality.

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4 hours ago, Olsonist said:

Tom and our other Fakebertarians will be along shortly to beam about how resolute Shitstain is in addressing a clear and present danger. Jeff will remind us that at least we don't have Hillary who the Democrats shouldn't have nominated before running off to a gun thread. Guy will be concerned but cautiously optimistic.

OK, that's funny. :lol:

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19 minutes ago, badlatitude said:

From 1958: A con man named Trump.

 
 

What the fresh hell. This is REAL. Filmed in 1958- about a conman who grifts a small town of suckers into building a wall. History not subtle enough for you? GUESS THE GRIFTER'S NAME
(And watch until the end)

 

Hee hee!

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“Don’t give up. Don’t allow it to happen. If there’s a concrete wall in front of you, go through it, go over it, go around it, but get to the other side of that wall.”  

Guess Who :rolleyes:

 

12:35 in 

 

 

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It's not going to be a concrete wall, he's now talking about a steel barrier. Should be good for business if you own a scrapyard in Mexico near the border. Sales of ladders and oxy torches will be brisk. Far from paying for it, Mexicans will profit from it.

Meanwhile, the majority of illegal immigrants will simply continue to fly in and stay when their visa runs out. Similarly the vast majority of smuggled drugs will continue to come in disguised in commercial shipments.

I read a costing of $20million per mile. Fuckwit's $5billion would get him 200 miles of a near-2000 mile border.

Trump keeps reminding me of Governor LePetomaine from the classic movie Blazing Saddles. The similarities (apart from the hair) are just uncanny.  

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The "manufactured crisis" is getting worse...

"Border Patrol agents apprehended 27,518 members of family units in December, the highest monthly total on record. That figure has steadily climbed for five months, even as Trump made stopping migrant caravans the centerpiece of his midterm election strategy and drove Washington into a partial government shutdown over funding for his border wall".

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/09/migrant-caravan-trump-crackdown-has-not-slowed-flow-families-us/2523034002/

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4 minutes ago, Dog said:

The "manufactured crisis" is getting worse...

"Border Patrol agents apprehended 27,518 members of family units in December, the highest monthly total on record. That figure has steadily climbed for five months, even as Trump made stopping migrant caravans the centerpiece of his midterm election strategy and drove Washington into a partial government shutdown over funding for his border wall".

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/09/migrant-caravan-trump-crackdown-has-not-slowed-flow-families-us/2523034002/

Sounds like an emergency.

What do you think of using the "military version" of eminent domain to seize the needed private property for the stupid wall?

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47 minutes ago, dogballs Tom said:

Sounds like an emergency.

What do you think of using the "military version" of eminent domain to seize the needed private property for the stupid wall?

I don't like it.

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14 hours ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

what we do doesn't matter. they need to hit rock bottom and there's a ways to go. in case you missed the Obama years - whatever happens they'll frame it as bad. It's about opposition, not reality.

You're partially correct - but, the continued jackass behavior will certainly do one thing, and that's to convince anyone who might be on the fence to make sure that they don't come down on your side. 

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6 minutes ago, Dog said:

I don't like it.

How about the regular version?

I posted some Koch-$pon$ored propaganda about it elsewhere.

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whether Trump tries to use this law or some other one to seize property for the wall, the fact remains that less than one third of the land he would need is currently owned by the federal government. The rest would have to be seized from private owners, Native American tribes, and state governments. That would require the forcible displacement of hundreds or even thousands of homes, businesses, and other private facilities. It would be the largest such use of eminent domain in many years. Moreover, the record of previous condemnations for border barriers shows that the Department of Homeland Security has a notorious history of violating procedural rights and shortchanging property owners on the compensation they are due under the Constitution. The same sorts of abuses are likely to recur on a larger scale if Trump gets the money to build his much more extensive wall.

I'd expect, well, more violations of procedural rights and shortchanging property owners. How about you?

By the way, do you agree with Trump about this?

On 8/26/2015 at 3:02 AM, dogballs Tom said:

The Donald on Kelo vs New London

 

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In 2005, however, Trump was delighted to find that the Supreme Court had okayed the brand of government-abetted theft that he’d twice attempted. “I happen to agree with it 100 percent,” he told Fox News’s Neil Cavuto of the Kelo decision.

 


Amazing that the poster boy for crony capitalism is somehow seen as a person who won't use government to screw people.

 

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4 minutes ago, dogballs Tom said:

How about the regular version?

I posted some Koch-$pon$ored propaganda about it elsewhere.

I'd expect, well, more violations of procedural rights and shortchanging property owners. How about you?

By the way, do you agree with Trump about this?

 

You convinced me that a continuous wall through remote areas is not necessary. However that our border is not secure is obvious to anyone not in denial and I don't doubt that more barrier (call it whatever you want) in some areas would be helpful.

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23 minutes ago, Dog said:

You convinced me that a continuous wall through remote areas is not necessary. However that our border is not secure is obvious to anyone not in denial and I don't doubt that more barrier (call it whatever you want) in some areas would be helpful.

I disagree, until you take the "help wanted" sign down they will find a way. You need to fix immigration but that won't happen because the powers that be need to take advantage of the cheap illegal labor. You demand cheap Chinese made goods from sweat houses and cheap produce from slave labor or you will call it a "tax" (bad) while at the same time demanding higher taxes (good)! You ever heard the term, "herd animal mentality"? 

You are 20 plus trillion in debt, mate. Throwing good money after bad is not a good strategy. You should not be discussing a spending bill. Get a fucking grip. 

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54 minutes ago, Dog said:

You convinced me that a continuous wall through remote areas is not necessary. However that our border is not secure is obvious to anyone not in denial and I don't doubt that more barrier (call it whatever you want) in some areas would be helpful.

Trump knows a wall can't stop people from a dream of a better life.

“Never ever give up,” he urged graduates at Wagner College on New York’s Staten Island:

“Don’t give up. Don’t allow it to happen. If there’s a concrete wall in front of you, go through it, go over it, go around it, but get to the other side of that wall.”   

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5c36a909e4b05cb31c3f3d79

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1 hour ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

You're partially correct - but, the continued jackass behavior will certainly do one thing, and that's to convince anyone who might be on the fence to make sure that they don't come down on your side. 

Ahhh, the usual double standard. Right wingers are allowed to be jackasses without recourse or remorse. The left wing, not so much. It's our fault we want the Republicans to accept responsibility for the primary candidate they selected, the president they elected, and the president they still support. Trump is the Republican party. He is the face of "conservatism". If you don't like that, change it. Right now all you guys do is pearl clutch... and fall right back in line supporting him. Like the party is doing with the Wall.

Republicans have had 2 years to fund this wall. A majority of them in the House thought it was stupid. Leaders have repeatedly said it was a dumb idea. It didn't get well funded. Now with a showdown fueled by Trumps ego they suddenly crow it's the Democrats fault? Bullshit. That's just cheap opportunism to support the party and Trump. There was a choice between honesty and consistency or supporting the party line and Trump. From the base on up you guys chose Trump. Own it. He's a moronic babbling sexpest who couldn't negotiate out of a wet piece of toilet paper. He's the Republican Party.

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6 hours ago, Happy said:

Trump keeps reminding me of Governor LePetomaine from the classic movie Blazing Saddles. The similarities (apart from the hair) are just uncanny.  

It's not just you.

 

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On 1/8/2019 at 6:38 PM, Fakenews said:

19 and they didn’t cross the southern border or the literally undefended northern border.

 

More Terrorists have come across the northern border than south.

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4 hours ago, Dog said:
4 hours ago, dogballs Tom said:

How about the regular version?

I posted some Koch-$pon$ored propaganda about it elsewhere.

I'd expect, well, more violations of procedural rights and shortchanging property owners. How about you?

By the way, do you agree with Trump about this?

 

You convinced me that a continuous wall through remote areas is not necessary. However that our border is not secure is obvious to anyone not in denial and I don't doubt that more barrier (call it whatever you want) in some areas would be helpful.

I agree with all of that, but none of it answers any of the questions asked about using eminent domain to acquire the needed property.

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4 hours ago, Dog said:

You convinced me that a continuous wall through remote areas is not necessary. However that our border is not secure is obvious to anyone not in denial and I don't doubt that more barrier (call it whatever you want) in some areas would be helpful.

Since the primary source of undocumented immigrants is visa overstays after legal entry (primarily though airports) and drugs through legal ports of entry, what does a physical barrier do, other than allow the President to fulfill a campaign promise?

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1 minute ago, Bus Driver said:

Since the primary source of undocumented immigrants is visa overstays after legal entry (primarily though airports) and drugs through legal ports of entry, what does a physical barrier do, other than allow the President to fulfill a campaign promise?

Provide something shiny to distract his base from the walls closing in? 

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So Donnie, were you lying then, or are you lying now?

 

 

 

Trick question - he was lying BOTH times!

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45 minutes ago, billy backstay said:

More Terrorists have come across the northern border than south.

The border crossers here are northbound. Mostly brown people escaping the USA.

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12 minutes ago, Kirwan said:

So Donnie, were you lying then, or are you lying now?

Trick question - he was lying BOTH times!

You have to know what's in his heart, not what he says.

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Just now, SloopJonB said:

You have to know what's in his heart, not what he says.

He has to have a heart before we can find out what's in it. 

 

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This is too funny. Trump gonna need more money to make his wall out of Titanium. Emphasis on COMMON TOOLS

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Department of Homeland Security testing of a prototype of the steel-slat design that Donald Trump favors for his Mexico border wall proved that it could be cut through with a saw, NBC News reports. A photo obtained by the network shows the slats with a gaping hole in the middle after experts from the Marine Corps were instructed to attempt to destroy the barriers with common tools. Testing by DHS in late 2017 showed all eight prototypes, including Trump’s favored steel slats, were vulnerable to breaching, according to a Customs and Border Protection report from last February

https://www.thedailybeast.com/dhs-test-cut-right-through-trumps-border-wall-steel-slats-with-a-saw-report?ref=home

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"xperts from the Marine Corps were instructed to attempt to destroy the barriers with common tools. "

When it absolutely, positively has to be destroyed today....

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Too funny. Now I expect Not Bright to dig up a clip of "Barack To The Future". 

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1 hour ago, Clove Hitch said:

This is too funny. Trump gonna need more money to make his wall out of Titanium. Emphasis on COMMON TOOLS

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Department of Homeland Security testing of a prototype of the steel-slat design that Donald Trump favors for his Mexico border wall proved that it could be cut through with a saw, NBC News reports. A photo obtained by the network shows the slats with a gaping hole in the middle after experts from the Marine Corps were instructed to attempt to destroy the barriers with common tools. Testing by DHS in late 2017 showed all eight prototypes, including Trump’s favored steel slats, were vulnerable to breaching, according to a Customs and Border Protection report from last February

https://www.thedailybeast.com/dhs-test-cut-right-through-trumps-border-wall-steel-slats-with-a-saw-report?ref=home

Mexico has very strict tool control.

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The United States has very loose tool control. In fact, there was this program that got started in the W administration which let tool owners in the US send their tools into Mexico. This was actually a bad thing but Republicans only started complaining about it when the Kenyan got elected.

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2 hours ago, dogballs Tom said:

Mexico has very strict tool control.

You lie

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I await the outrage of the right-wingers as they tear Lindsey a new asshole for daring to override the will of the people and the expressed democratic will of Congress...

...crickets.

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Even Lindsay is getting tired of this;  https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/10/republican-senators-government-shutdown-1096118

"On the 20th day of the shutdown, the GOP group tried to jump start bipartisan talks before Trump declares a national emergency to get his wall. But the president rejected their idea to allow congressional committees to sort out his border wall request while the government reopened, deeming the idea likely to leave him with nothing to show for the shutdown."

 

Confirming that it's about Trump's ego, and nothing else. 

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The republicans better get used of being the opposition because this sort of win at all costs democracy is such a winning strategy it’s just pissing a whole lot of thinking and capable people on both sides of the aisle right of.

The country is being lied to by a conman and they are collectively nodding in agreement FFS it’s a travesty.

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If there are tens of thousands of government employees not getting paid because of this crap, why the fuck aren't they on strike and raising hell in the streets?

Seems Americans, just like Australians, and unlike Europeans, will take just about any amount of shit from their leaders and accept it like sheep.

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6 minutes ago, Happy said:

If there are tens of thousands of government employees not getting paid because of this crap, why the fuck aren't they on strike and raising hell in the streets?

Seems Americans, just like Australians, and unlike Europeans, will take just about any amount of shit from their leaders and accept it like sheep.

Reagan and PATCO ring any bells?

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20 hours ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

anyone who might be on the fence

On the fence..... So ironic yet funny. :lol:

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Hannity___09_13_23_PM.0.jpg

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President Donald Trump, with US Customs and Border Protection agents surrounding him during a mostly substance-free Fox News interview with Sean Hannity, made the federal employees — working without pay due to the shutdown — seem a bit like props.

https://www.vox.com/2019/1/10/18177905/trump-sean-hannity-interview-border

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1 hour ago, BillDBastard said:

What I find curious is that P&S had a great opportunity to drive the bus regarding immigration reform and DACA...… and they passed on it over 5billion in wall funding.

What "immigration reform" are P&S proposing?  

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7 hours ago, Happy said:

If there are tens of thousands of government employees not getting paid because of this crap, why the fuck aren't they on strike and raising hell in the streets?

Seems Americans, just like Australians, and unlike Europeans, will take just about any amount of shit from their leaders and accept it like sheep.

Exactly.  They are complicit in that they’re not fighting this.

Yesterday the blob went down to the border and listened to the border patrol tell him how wonderfull he was and how all they needed was a wall. Oh and hannity was brought along to regurgitate this on national TV.  (Props to non Fox News channels for not showing it).

It wa like watching a hostage video.

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8 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

Glad someone got it. 

Guitar puns better

-DSK

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On 12/20/2018 at 1:12 PM, Mid said:

We The People Will Fund The Wall

$1,579,330 of $1.0B goal

 
Raised by 26,721 people in 2 days
 
 

$20 million raised in GoFundMe for Trump border wall to be refunded

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Since the original intent of the campaign’s promise has changed, GoFundMe said in a statement that the more than 337,000 people who donated will receive a refund.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/424976-20-million-raised-in-gofundme-for-trump-border-wall-will-be-refunded?__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true

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That big beautiful little bit of the wall..looks like a rusty POS..and it's only been there a day or two.

Image:

Typical Trump product..POS 

Image: US-POLITICS-WALL-MIGRANTS-immigration-illegal-immigrants

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11 minutes ago, Shortforbob said:

That big beautiful little bit of the wall..looks like a rusty POS..and it's only been there a day or two.

Image:

Typical Trump product..POS 

Image: US-POLITICS-WALL-MIGRANTS-immigration-illegal-immigrants

It's called corten or weathering steel. It's formulated to rust like that. The rust forms a protective barrier over the steel.

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How can you tell Cor-Ten by looking versus plain rusty steel?

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4 minutes ago, Dog said:

It's called corten or weathering steel. It's formulated to rust like that. The rust forms a protective barrier over the steel.

It Steel looks like a POS

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I had to look up corten steel (tm US Steel)

From Wiki:

"Weathering steel is not rustproof in itself. If water is allowed to accumulate in pockets, those areas will experience higher corrosion rates, so provision for drainage must be made. Weathering steel is sensitive to humid subtropical climates, and in such environments, it is possible that the protective patina may not stabilize but instead continue to corrode. For example, the former Omni Coliseum, built in 1972 in Atlanta, never stopped rusting, and eventually large holes appeared in the structure. This was a major factor in the decision to demolish it just 25 years after construction. The same thing can happen in environments laden with sea salt. Hawaii's Aloha Stadium, built in 1975, is one example of this.[17] Weathering steel's normal surface weathering can also lead to rust stains on nearby surfaces."

 

Doesn't sound like the right material for next to a river, near the ocean, or anyplace humid.  Does it get humid in Texas? 

 

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3 minutes ago, Kirwan said:

I had to look up corten steel (tm US Steel)

From Wiki:

"Weathering steel is not rustproof in itself. If water is allowed to accumulate in pockets, those areas will experience higher corrosion rates, so provision for drainage must be made. Weathering steel is sensitive to humid subtropical climates, and in such environments, it is possible that the protective patina may not stabilize but instead continue to corrode. For example, the former Omni Coliseum, built in 1972 in Atlanta, never stopped rusting, and eventually large holes appeared in the structure. This was a major factor in the decision to demolish it just 25 years after construction. The same thing can happen in environments laden with sea salt. Hawaii's Aloha Stadium, built in 1975, is one example of this.[17] Weathering steel's normal surface weathering can also lead to rust stains on nearby surfaces."

 

Doesn't sound like the right material for next to a river, near the ocean, or anyplace humid.  Does it get humid in Texas? 

 

Cor-ten was all the rage in the 1970's.  Office building cladding in Chicago was the first big splash.  Tried on highway overpasses and stadium roofs and such where fireproofing was not an issue, but a few too-soon failures took the bloom off that rose.  Still used decoratively on trellises and sun screens, etc. 

Probably OK in the desert, but does not like to be scratched through the patina.  

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21 minutes ago, Dog said:

It's called corten or weathering steel. It's formulated to rust like that. The rust forms a protective barrier over the steel.

cuts like butter:

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1 minute ago, Raz'r said:

cuts like butter:

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I looked at that and it brought back a memory of a summer working to secure the garbage dumps in a county in Northern Minnesota. We did the same damn thing. Steel pipe dug down 5 feet, 1 rebar in the middle, hand poured in sacrete.  Cost was about $200 each. About 5 ft tall. strung a chain between them. 

Damn, I shoulda bid on Trump's border wall, I'm a pro at this shit!

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23 minutes ago, Zonker said:

How can you tell Cor-Ten by looking versus plain rusty steel?

You can't, but who would use unprotected steel in such an application? Although it is a very non-corrosive environment down there so maybe.

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Just now, Raz'r said:

I looked at that and it brought back a memory of a summer working to secure the garbage dumps in a county in Northern Minnesota. We did the same damn thing. Steel pipe dug down 5 feet, 1 rebar in the middle, hand poured in sacrete.  Cost was about $200 each. About 5 ft tall. strung a chain between them. 

Damn, I shoulda bid on Trump's border wall, I'm a pro at this shit!

I'm gonna buy some SawZall stock. 

Or maybe get a concession leasing Milwaukee angle grinders and Honda Generators for Sonara and Chihuahua.  

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Just now, Dog said:

You can't, but who would use unprotected steel in such an application? Although it is a very non-corrosive environment down there so maybe.

Wait, you think the US Gov't is all effective all-of-a-sudden?

Oh, that's right, debt is bad. Sometimes. This is just "gov't is idiotic, sometimes"

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Just now, Dog said:

You can't, but who would use unprotected steel in such an application? 

shitty low budget contractors looking to get in on the perfect grift facing the worst negotiator in the world? It's not like they are paying architects to design this piece of shit.

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2 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

shitty low budget contractors looking to get in on the perfect grift facing the worst negotiator in the world? It's not like they are paying architects to design this piece of shit.

Contractors don't get to decide what material to use.

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34 minutes ago, Kirwan said:

I had to look up corten steel (tm US Steel)

From Wiki:

"Weathering steel is not rustproof in itself. If water is allowed to accumulate in pockets, those areas will experience higher corrosion rates, so provision for drainage must be made. Weathering steel is sensitive to humid subtropical climates, and in such environments, it is possible that the protective patina may not stabilize but instead continue to corrode. For example, the former Omni Coliseum, built in 1972 in Atlanta, never stopped rusting, and eventually large holes appeared in the structure. This was a major factor in the decision to demolish it just 25 years after construction. The same thing can happen in environments laden with sea salt. Hawaii's Aloha Stadium, built in 1975, is one example of this.[17] Weathering steel's normal surface weathering can also lead to rust stains on nearby surfaces."

 

Doesn't sound like the right material for next to a river, near the ocean, or anyplace humid.  Does it get humid in Texas? 

 

The bit I read also had this:

" Weathering steel, often referred to by the genericized trademark COR-TEN steel and sometimes written without the hyphen as corten steel, is a group of steel alloys which were developed to eliminate the need for painting, and form a stable rust-like appearance after several years exposure to weather."

Bolding mine.

So have they stored this stuff outside for years to get the patina going?

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2 hours ago, Dog said:
2 hours ago, Shortforbob said:

That big beautiful little bit of the wall..looks like a rusty POS..and it's only been there a day or two.

Image:

Typical Trump product..POS 

Image: US-POLITICS-WALL-MIGRANTS-immigration-illegal-immigrants

It's called corten or weathering steel. It's formulated to rust like that. The rust forms a protective barrier over the steel.

When it oxidizes, it turns orange.  No wonder President Trump likes it.

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President Trump's Boarder Wall

:rolleyes:

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2 hours ago, Ishmael said:

The bit I read also had this:

" Weathering steel, often referred to by the genericized trademark COR-TEN steel and sometimes written without the hyphen as corten steel, is a group of steel alloys which were developed to eliminate the need for painting, and form a stable rust-like appearance after several years exposure to weather."

Bolding mine.

So have they stored this stuff outside for years to get the patina going?

Probably left lying around a building materials yard after being rejected for another project.

Simple question.  There are uniform building code (UBC, SBC or IBC depending where you are) standards for fence railing spacing.  Established so little kids don't get their heads stuck between the rails or palings.  It appears that these fence segments do not meet those standards - typically 4" spacing. 

So, are we going to be treated to pictures of stuck, squirming kids?  Or will ICE just pull them through and arrest them?

 

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"I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall, proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, wind-swept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace; a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity. And if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it, and see it still. And how stands the city on this winter night? More prosperous, more secure, and happier than it was 8 years ago. But more than that: After 200 years, two centuries, she still stands strong and true on the granite ridge, and her glow has held steady no matter what storm. And she's still a beacon, still a magnet for all who must have freedom, for all the pilgrims from all the lost places who are hurtling through the darkness, toward home." - from Ronald Reagan's farewell speech (by the very poetic Peggy Noonan) 30 years ago today

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I guarantee you as a 20 year-old I could have climbed up and over that fence in less than 10 seconds.  Probably as a 40 year-old.

Big boat bowmen can do that wall any time they want.  For fun, for beers or to pop a halyard.  That isn't a barrier, that's a wind break.

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44 minutes ago, Left Shift said:

Probably left lying around a building materials yard after being rejected for another project.

Simple question.  There are uniform building code (UBC, SBC or IBC depending where you are) standards for fence railing spacing.  Established so little kids don't get their heads stuck between the rails or palings.  It appears that these fence segments do not meet those standards - typically 4" spacing. 

So, are we going to be treated to pictures of stuck, squirming kids?  Or will ICE just pull them through and arrest them?

 

They will just take the bits that make it through the wall.

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They do kind of resemble giant shish-ka-bob skewers.......

 Kid on a stick anyone?

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3 hours ago, Dog said:

Contractors don't get to decide what material to use.

Depends on the contract.... But then as an “architect” you would know that.

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2 hours ago, Left Shift said:

.....Simple question.  There are uniform building code (UBC, SBC or IBC depending where you are) standards for fence railing spacing.  Established so little kids don't get their heads stuck between the rails or palings.  It appears that these fence segments do not meet those standards - typically 4" spacing. 

So, are we going to be treated to pictures of stuck, squirming kids?  Or will ICE just pull them through and arrest them?

Kids are only one issue... how small do the holes have to be to prevent drugs, explosives and weapons being passed through?

How high does a wall have to be to prevent giant catapults and trebuchets doing the same thing?

Suddenly Rocketman or kid has a whole new meaning........

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