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Migrant caravan vessels seized by Coast Guard attempting to cross the border near El Llanto.

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Now I know what all those Mexicans are doing hanging around Home Depot

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$288.00 at Home Depot

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$15.00 at Home Depot.

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1 hour ago, bhyde said:

Migrant caravan vessels seized by Coast Guard attempting to cross the border near El Llanto.

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Just waiting for fake rising sea levels.........patient, those illegal aliens........good thing the government shutdown is happening now, before the action really starts...........and as you know, you agree............

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Amati said:

Just waiting for fake rising sea levels.........patient, those illegal aliens........good thing the government shutdown is happening now, before the action really starts...........and as you know, you agree............

Sandworms?

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12 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Sandworms?

Vladimir Harkonnen?

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59 minutes ago, Amati said:

Vladimir Harkonnen? 

Fat Bastard?

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3 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Interesting tidbit heard today. Guess what stops the most drugs coming over the border? The service that is shutdown. Our coasties.

The correct answer is and has been nothing.

Most drugs are not caught at all. Even those charged with doing it admit this.

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9 hours ago, dogballs Tom said:

The correct answer is and has been nothing.

Most drugs are not caught at all. Even those charged with doing it admit this.

Pedantic Asshole score of 10!

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2 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Pedantic Asshole score of 10!

All winning, all the time.

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11 hours ago, dogballs Tom said:
14 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Interesting tidbit heard today. Guess what stops the most drugs coming over the border? The service that is shutdown. Our coasties.

The correct answer is and has been nothing.

Most drugs are not caught at all. Even those charged with doing it admit this.

If that post read "Guess what stops MOST OF the drugs....." you might have a point.

When comparing the methods/entities that DID stop drugs from being brought in, which method/entity stopped the most?

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13 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

If that post read "Guess what stops MOST OF the drugs....." you might have a point.

When comparing the methods/entities that DID stop drugs from being brought in, which method/entity stopped the most?

Hence his high-score for the WIN!

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No wall, just a big cave!

 

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The State of the Union is not planned now. What I said to the President is when the government is open we will discuss a mutually agreeable date, and I’ll look forward to doing that and welcoming the President to the House of Representatives for the State of the Union when we agree on that.

Speaker Pelosi

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/25/politics/pelosi-state-of-the-union-date/index.html

Brutal.

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16 hours ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Sandworms?

 

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The Alamo had walls.  Didn't keep the Mexicans out. 

NM2, you are a very special kind of stupid, but you do make me feel good about myself.  

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On 1/16/2019 at 9:20 PM, badlatitude said:

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$5B for mines. Will surely solve that problem.

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1 minute ago, Fakenews said:

$5B for mines. Will surely solve that problem.

Stupid idea.  You close the corridors down, they expand, then you eventually have mined the coastline.  Hopefully that was just a tongue-in-cheek comment.  .

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22 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

Stupid idea.  You close the corridors down, they expand, then you eventually have mined the coastline.  Hopefully that was just a tongue-in-cheek comment.  .

Really, did that need a sarcasm font?

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2 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

Really, did that need a sarcasm font?

With you, yes.  But you have improved.  

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3 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

With you, yes.  But you have improved.  

I’ve always been pretty liberal in my political view points.

Sniff.....

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1 hour ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

Wall work for some

Not the Mormons. Privacy hedge, sure.

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4 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

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Jack is criticising other Christians for hypocrisy? Even better, mocking their leaders for it given the Mormons' history? 

YCMTSU

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4 hours ago, Sean said:

Best headline of the day -

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-folds-ends-shutdown-and-humiliates-himself-in-rose-garden

Trump’s Zombies Applaud as He Lights Himself on Fire

..."But this wasn’t fun. It was funny, watching Trump trying to persuade America that this wasn’t a colossal failure for which he alone was responsible. But it wasn’t fun. Not for the people affected. This shutdown will go down as one of the most shockingly incompetent episodes in the entire history of the American presidency. Of this there is no doubt. 

Warren Harding, who liked drinking and playing poker more than being president, once confided to a friend that “I am not fit for this office and should never have been here.” 

Trump is like Harding, except Harding had one quality Trump lacks utterly: self-awareness."

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Harding was also smarter and more competent than Trump.

Although that could be regarded as damning with faint praise.

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2 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Harding was also smarter and more competent than Trump.

Although that could be regarded as damning with faint praise.

Harding has the good sense to put an early end to the embarassment by quietly dying while in office.

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It's not a wall, It's an art installation!

When and if Donald Trump’s wall is built, one of its redeeming features will be that some of the world’s great street artists, including Australia’s very own evocatively named Lushsux, will be quick to decorate it with street art masterpieces.

The wall’s majestically wide, blank spaces will prove irresistible. What a gallery the wall will become!

he's the bloke that painted this in Israel

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2 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

Maybe this is what President Trump has in mind -

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Theres something suspicious about those chihuahuas !

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Those look like sheepdog variants.

That might work - have sheepdogs on the wall to round up and herd all those foreign invaders.

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18 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Those look like sheepdog variants.

That might work - have sheepdogs on the wall to round up and herd all those foreign invaders.

Um, Border Collies.

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Same thing - herding specialists.

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35 minutes ago, SailBlueH2O said:

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Yep..... and a Republican Congress (both houses) had a President willing to work with them to solve the problem, from 2011 to 2016, and then even more so from 2016 and 2017....... and they did, what, exactly?

Problem..... you're all mad about "the problem" but you expect the people who are profiting from it to fix it.

The people who are all pissed off about gay marriage are in the same boat.

It would be only a slight exaggeration of the same tactic for the Republican Party to outlaw gun ownership in the US, so they can blame Democrats and get all the gun nutz to come roaring to the polls.

-DSK

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14 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

Um, Border Collies.

we can teach them (the hoards of invaders) to play frisbee

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2 hours ago, Blue Crab said:

Thank the gods! I heard it was 12,000,000.

No worries.  Pretty soon, it'll be 12,000,000,000.

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Breaking gnus: The MS13 gangs are now disguised as women and children. I shit you knot.

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So, I guess Trump will declare an emergency and fund the wall, if Chuck and Nancy won't do it?

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25 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

No worries.  Pretty soon, it'll be 12,000,000,000.

Is there a point at which a barrier would no longer be a racist and immoral monument to white supremacy and simply become a border control device?

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9 minutes ago, Dog said:

Is there a point at which a barrier would no longer be a racist and immoral monument to white supremacy and simply become a border control device?

When people stop posting bullshit like this? Not holding my breath.

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23 minutes ago, Dog said:

Is there a point at which a barrier would no longer be a racist and immoral monument to white supremacy and simply become a border control device?

If I ever said a wall is "racist" or an "immoral monument to white supremacy", I may have an answer.

As I have never said either, I will suggest you ask people who have actually said such things.

Now, I can offer that the reasons for the wall are bullshit.  Time and time again, it is shown that undocumented folks in the US are by far due to Visa overstays, mostly from Canada, and drugs are coming though entry points.  The wall will do fuckall to address those concerns.

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1 hour ago, d'ranger said:

When people stop posting bullshit like this? Not holding my breath.

D, you never answered my earlier question about your position on barriers. Is it that you think barriers are never effective, or is it just that the proposed new sections of barrier will for some reason not be effective?

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46 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

If I ever said a wall is "racist" or an "immoral monument to white supremacy", I may have an answer.

As I have never said either, I will suggest you ask people who have actually said such things.

Now, I can offer that the reasons for the wall are bullshit.  Time and time again, it is shown that undocumented folks in the US are by far due to Visa overstays, mostly from Canada, and drugs are coming though entry points.  The wall will do fuckall to address those concerns.

You do not think a walls are immoral, racist or monuments to white supremacy, duly noted.

Also I will grant you that a wall will do nothing to mitigate visa overstays (I don't think it has been argued that it would). That doesn't mean barriers are not a deterrent to illegal entry, of course they are.

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1 hour ago, Dog said:

Is there a point at which a barrier would no longer be a racist and immoral monument to white supremacy and simply become a border control device?

nah, the wall like your Republican brand is permanently soiled with the stench of the racism you revel in.

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2 minutes ago, Dog said:

D, you never answered my earlier question about your position on barriers. Is it that you think barriers are never effective, or is it just that the proposed new sections of barrier will for some reason not be effective?

Stop creating strawman issues. I have made it clear that Trump's ever changing effort to "win" at a campaign promise is bullshit.  Barriers can be good - the keep the monkeys in and the assholes out at the zoo for instance. For crowd control, again yep. I haven't opposed the current barriers that are built and would support additional when they are shown to be needed. Trump has done none of that, just keeps creating false emergencies and stoking unwarranted fear is something I will never support.

Ever been to the Texas border? I think not. Want to see a fence wall barrier going through the Big Bend state and national parks?  It is ludicrous to support the ever changing goal posts of Trump's delusions to keep his base fed.

 

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13 minutes ago, d'ranger said:

Stop creating strawman issues. I have made it clear that Trump's ever changing effort to "win" at a campaign promise is bullshit.  Barriers can be good - the keep the monkeys in and the assholes out at the zoo for instance. For crowd control, again yep. I haven't opposed the current barriers that are built and would support additional when they are shown to be needed. Trump has done none of that, just keeps creating false emergencies and stoking unwarranted fear is something I will never support.

Ever been to the Texas border? I think not. Want to see a fence wall barrier going through the Big Bend state and national parks?  It is ludicrous to support the ever changing goal posts of Trump's delusions to keep his base fed.

 

Well, we agree. There are locations where a barrier makes sense and areas where they are not needed. I would defer to border patrol professionals familiar with the problem on any new sections of barrier proposed and hope that they would be involved in the planning.

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3 minutes ago, Dog said:

Well, we agree. There are locations where a barrier makes sense and areas where they are not needed. I would defer to border patrol professionals familiar with the problem on any new sections of barrier proposed and hope that they would be involved in the planning.

So - you don't actually want the Trump wall? You've just been bullshitting this whole time?! 

Wow, that's a real plot twist Dog.

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2 minutes ago, Dog said:

Well, we agree. There are locations where a barrier makes sense and areas where they are not needed. I would defer to border patrol professionals familiar with the problem on any new sections of barrier proposed and hope that they would be involved in the planning.

Then stop supporting Trump's idiotic Quixote Quest.  The previous border work has been done by actual planning. I remind you that not a single congressman whose district is on the southern border supports Trump on this and that includes a Republican.

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Posted elsewhere, but probably belongs here.  When you politicize a problem best left to professionals, you get this:

So, two years after signing an executive order directing the hiring of thousands of additional border patrol agents, the CBP is actually losing agents, can't find many new agents, doesn't have a plan to use the proposed huge group of new agents who are supposed to be hired, and has an average hiring time of 400 days per hire.  Maybe, just maybe, there aren't that many people who want to put toddlers in cages.

CBP also signed a $270,000,000 contract with Accenture to hire find, vet and hire new agents , under which they have added a grand total of 33 new agents.  With a minimum finder's fee of $40,000 per head (for a $52,000/year job).  Accenture's contract has been slashed for poor performance to a mere $80,000,000.  So good on CBP for that at least.

All the while net immigration has fallen to a decade low (1/4 of what it was under Bush Jr./early Obama) and the system - designed to handle lots of fence jumping male agricultural workers - has no plan, facility or ability to respond to the current flow of families with children applying for legal asylum.  

But we shouldn't let a good campaign applause line be lost to the inconvenient truth of reality, or of professionals doing their job, with or without pay.

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1 hour ago, d'ranger said:
1 hour ago, Dog said:

Is there a point at which a barrier would no longer be a racist and immoral monument to white supremacy and simply become a border control device?

When people stop posting bullshit like this? Not holding my breath.

Question retracted - answered in a following post. 

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1 hour ago, Left Shift said:

Posted elsewhere...

Ayup.

 

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6 hours ago, SailBlueH2O said:

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Trump apparently missed the bit about "Those who employ them".

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50 minutes ago, Dog said:

I would defer to border patrol professionals familiar with the problem on any new sections of barrier proposed and hope that they would be involved in the planning.

I would also defer to Border Patrol professionals.  The only problem is they are now for a wall, having been quite clearly against the wall.

To which position should we defer?

A Flip-flop used to be a bad thing.

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1 hour ago, d'ranger said:

Then stop supporting Trump's idiotic Quixote Quest.  The previous border work has been done by actual planning. I remind you that not a single congressman whose district is on the southern border supports Trump on this and that includes a Republican.

And if thoes congressional districts were the only ones effected by illegal immigration that might persuade me.

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33 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

I would also defer to Border Patrol professionals.  The only problem is they are now for a wall, having been quite clearly against the wall.

To which position should we defer?

A Flip-flop used to be a bad thing.

Well...Just the opposite of congressional Democrats.

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1 hour ago, Left Shift said:

Posted elsewhere, but probably belongs here.  When you politicize a problem best left to professionals, you get this:

So, two years after signing an executive order directing the hiring of thousands of additional border patrol agents, the CBP is actually losing agents, can't find many new agents, doesn't have a plan to use the proposed huge group of new agents who are supposed to be hired, and has an average hiring time of 400 days per hire.  Maybe, just maybe, there aren't that many people who want to put toddlers in cages.

CBP also signed a $270,000,000 contract with Accenture to hire find, vet and hire new agents , under which they have added a grand total of 33 new agents.  With a minimum finder's fee of $40,000 per head (for a $52,000/year job).  Accenture's contract has been slashed for poor performance to a mere $80,000,000.  So good on CBP for that at least.

 

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Probably one of the few signs that America isn't completely fucked. They ran an order for 15,000 brownshirts, and had few takers.

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Just now, Dog said:

And if thoes congressional districts were the only ones effected by illegal immigration that might persuade me.

No it would not. Nothing would.

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17 minutes ago, d'ranger said:

No it would not. Nothing would.

I doubt there's anything that could convince me that walls don't work, they do. But that line of argument has been mostly abandoned anyway.

The argument that there is no border security problem hence no need is belied by the over 50,000 apprehensions in November alone and the caravans passing through Mexico.

Is there a more effective way to secure the border with new technology than with a wall, that's a possibility.

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19 minutes ago, Dog said:

I doubt there's anything that could convince me that walls don't work, they do. But that line of argument has been mostly abandoned anyway.

The argument that there is no border security problem hence no need is belied by the over 50,000 apprehensions in November alone and the caravans passing through Mexico.

Is there a more effective way to secure the border with new technology than with a wall, that's a possibility.

Walls and fences work great for animals that don't dig or jump really high.  So there is that.  Your 2nd sentence re 50,000 apprehensions contradicts your desire for increased security.  If the borders are unsecured how were they apprehended?  Of course if you listen to Trump for every apprehension they are hordes coming over with drugs and women with duct taped mouths.  Of course if you listen to Trump you should know that he is averaging 10 lies or half truths a day.

edit: This has become the proverbial brick wall so soldier on without me. Thanks.

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10 minutes ago, d'ranger said:

Walls and fences work great for animals that don't dig or jump really high.  So there is that.  Your 2nd sentence re 50,000 apprehensions contradicts your desire for increased security.  If the borders are unsecured how were they apprehended?  Of course if you listen to Trump for every apprehension they are hordes coming over with drugs and women with duct taped mouths.  Of course if you listen to Trump you should know that he is averaging 10 lies or half truths a day.

 edit: This has become the proverbial brick wall so soldier on without me. Thanks.

In all sincerity - apprehensions are indicative of an instance in which the perimeter barriers weren't successful in their purpose, resulting in the need for an additional intervention after they were breached. Ya don't have to bail a boat that's not leaking, right?  

"The Wall" as Trump defined it isn't a panacea, but, CBP has indeed planned for several place where improved physical barriers would be an effective force multiplier.   

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1 minute ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

In all sincerity - apprehensions are indicative of an instance in which the perimeter barriers weren't successful in their purpose, resulting in the need for an additional intervention after they were breached. Ya don't have to bail a boat that's not leaking, right?  

"The Wall" as Trump defined it isn't a panacea, but, CBP has indeed planned for several place where improved physical barriers would be an effective force multiplier.   

Had an interesting conversations with some guys after the race on Saturday. One is an attorney with a lot of experience in this area - according to him the major cartels now have directional drilling equipment.

Both parties have presented increasing border security so that is not the issue - the ONLY issue here is stopping Trump from "winning" something with no more planning than waving his mushroom around.

I really need to close this as I have work that I don't want to do so Squirrel!!! and here I am again.  enjoy.

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24 minutes ago, d'ranger said:

Walls and fences work great for animals that don't dig or jump really high.  So there is that.  Your 2nd sentence re 50,000 apprehensions contradicts your desire for increased security.  If the borders are unsecured how were they apprehended?  Of course if you listen to Trump for every apprehension they are hordes coming over with drugs and women with duct taped mouths.  Of course if you listen to Trump you should know that he is averaging 10 lies or half truths a day.

edit: This has become the proverbial brick wall so soldier on without me. Thanks.

They were apprehended because they believed they might be among the 50% border patrol believes they fail to apprehend.

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Just now, Dog said:

They were apprehended because they believed they might be among the 50% border patrol believes they fail to apprehend.

I believe you are 50% correct.

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21 minutes ago, A guy in the Chesapeake said:

In all sincerity - apprehensions are indicative of an instance in which the perimeter barriers weren't successful in their purpose, resulting in the need for an additional intervention after they were breached. Ya don't have to bail a boat that's not leaking, right?  

"The Wall" as Trump defined it isn't a panacea, but, CBP has indeed planned for several place where improved physical barriers would be an effective force multiplier.   

How about "improved security infrastructure" and include airports.

It's getting close to 20 fucking years since Americans started lining up and taking their fucking shoes off to get on an airplane...... something I would never have believed Americans would ever do....... and all the airports I've been to have the same improvised bullshit requiring cattle-pen conditions for incoming passengers..... whcih BTW are ripe terrorist targets themselves, WTF.

This latest donkey derby was all about Trump trying to bully the new Dem-controlled House. But that doesn't mean it doesn't make sense to spend some money on it....... I'd like to see such spending tied to working out a real immigration policy, but what are the odds.

-DSK

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21 minutes ago, d'ranger said:

Had an interesting conversations with some guys after the race on Saturday. One is an attorney with a lot of experience in this area - according to him the major cartels now have directional drilling equipment.

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/8qxax5/mexican-cartels-are-using-firetruck-sized-drillers-to-make-drug-pipelines

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5 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Probably one of the few signs that America isn't completely fucked. They ran an order for 15,000 brownshirts, and had few takers.

Lots of orders for red hats though.

Same thing.

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Can any of you righties explain why with two years in charge of White House, Senate and Congress, the GOP did not use its reconciliation bills to get a border wall but instead used them on a tax bill and an attempt at ACA repeal?

Do you feel things have changed in two years to justify Trump's current actions regarding a border wall when he didn't see fit or feel any urgency to expend a reconciliation bill or any political capital on it before he lost the House?

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39 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Lots of orders for red hats though.

Same thing.

Red hats are cheerleaders. Brown shirts  are dangerous. 

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2 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Red hats are cheerleaders. Brown shirts  are dangerous. 

Brown shirts are a sign that you stood too close to the back end of a cow.

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15 hours ago, BrickTopHarry said:

Can any of you righties explain why with two years in charge of White House, Senate and Congress, the GOP did not use its reconciliation bills to get a border wall but instead used them on a tax bill and an attempt at ACA repeal?

I can't. 

Do you feel things have changed in two years to justify Trump's current actions regarding a border wall when he didn't see fit or feel any urgency to expend a reconciliation bill or any political capital on it before he lost the House?   

Nope. 

 

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Lindsey Graham now wants to tie wall funding to the credit of the USA. Fucking brilliant -

http://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/29/politics/lindsey-graham-debt-ceiling-border-deal-talks/index.html

Graham urges Trump to tie debt limit to border security funding

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Washington (CNN) — An influential Republican senator is urging President Donald Trump to up the ante in talks over his border wall: To push for an increase in the national debt limit as part of a legislative package to avert another government shutdown in mid-February.
GOP Sen. Lindsey Graham, a close ally of the President, told CNN that he spoke with Trump at dinner Monday night about "what would a good deal look like" as lawmakers attempt to negotiate an agreement to stave off another government shutdown -- and floated the possibility that raising the debt limit could be part of the negotiation. 
Graham, the senior senator from South Carolina, said he is "hopeful we can solve more than one problem" and added "I think the President understands we need to raise the debt ceiling. It comes due in March, so why not just expedite things."
Taking such a step would amount to a dramatic move by the President: He could dare Democrats to block funding for the border wall and risk sending the country into default in the process. Graham said agreeing to one big package could clear the decks of the thorny issues facing Congress in the weeks ahead.

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Brilliant - let's create an actual crisis in response to an imaginary one.  What could possible go wrong.

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You literally couldn't make this shit up:

 

(Eric) Trump told the news outlet that the company used E-Verify at some, but not all, of its properties. He argued that the system is not required by law in most states, and that it is not foolproof. 

The remaining properties that do not use E-Verify have been delayed in their enrollment because of a partial government shutdown, Trump told The Post.

 

https://thehill.com/regulation/business/427586-trumps-company-to-expand-checks-on-employees-legal-status

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7 hours ago, Dog said:

"Unable to nudge House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., any closer to approving funding for a border wall, President Trump can move on his own without declaring a national emergency, according to a nonpartisan congressional report".

 https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/report-trump-can-build-wall-without-declaring-emergency

Congressional officials have also looked into the alternative provisions and believe spending caps would kick in at about $1 billion, not the $5.7 billion he is seeking.

Both Banzhaf and CRS said that Trump would likely face legal challenges if he tapped the provisions.

CRS explained in its Jan. 10 report: “The president may cite these authorities either individually or in combination with [military construction under the National Emergencies Act] to support such construction. However, many of these authorities standing alone come with significant limitations concerning the types of authorized construction and the funds available for such construction.

Going down that path might help build some of the wall... but it would not give Trump the "win" he is seeking. As such, he won't take those options. He could have tapped those options beforehand too, but he wanted to be seen "winning" and showing Coulter he was a big strong man again. Getting less than a billion by tip-toeing around Congress is too easily characterised as "cowardly". As such, he won't do it. 

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Dog's just shitposting with a bullshit, unfactchecked rightwing source, because it tells him what he wants to hear.  Then Dog plays the smug bitch decrying fake news, because Dog sucks.

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He's just licking his balls.

Again.

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13 hours ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Dog's just shitposting with a bullshit, unfactchecked rightwing source, because it tells him what he wants to hear.  Then Dog plays the smug bitch decrying fake news, because Dog sucks.

Jiblet's just shitposting bullshit,  deeming the Congressional Research Service a rightwing source and rejecting as unfactchecked their report because it tells him what he doesn't want to hear.

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