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1 hour ago, badlatitude said:

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they're stealing our cigarettes!

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Great news.  We don’t need a wall along the Mexican boarder.   Since illegal immigrants are a national emergency (per Trump) we need to address the biggest leak immediately.   We need impenetrable walls around  all 102 international airports in the United States.      Not only will we save on concrete, but the ground is usually flat around airports.  There are roads and truck stops, speeding construction,    We can even postpone those currently only having international cargo flights.   Wall off Detroit, Atlanta, New York, Chicago, Denver, Miami, San Francisco, and Los Angeles airports tomorrow.    Nobody gets in or out.   Reopen government the next day.  https://www.npr.org/2019/01/16/686056668/for-seventh-consecutive-year-visa-overstays-exceeded-illegal-border-crossings

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Pretty tough to overstay a visa you never had to have in the first place.

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25 minutes ago, d'ranger said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46824649

Warning: Do you open this link if you love Trump and his wall.  Don't bitch to me if you do and then get your panties in a twist.

In case he decides to wallow in his ignorance by avoiding the link you provided - 

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Then again, what would those schmucks at DHS know?

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Maybe NOW they'll send us that cheque for our wall.

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Most of those Canuckiststanis are 70+ and have homes in Florida and Arizona. They are a bad bunch spending their pension cheques in the US and driving and golfing badly. My father was one in Lakeland for years. Doubt his Shriner buddies knew he was an illegal, passed for an American pretty well. Interestingly he got health care at the local VA hospital as a result of some sort of reciprocity with Veterans Affairs in Canada

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3 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Maybe NOW they'll send us that cheque for our wall.

I don't think we should build a wall. A hedge would be much more polite and beautiful if we kept it trimmed. After all Trump values beautiful barriers.

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4 minutes ago, Kirwan said:

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I'm sure Trump knows better than mere engineers. He has a big brain.

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3 minutes ago, Ishmael said:

I'm sure Trump knows better than mere engineers. He has a big brain.

 

He does indeed have a large brain!  Unfortunately, it is only full of hot air and bullshit, and lie, thousands of bald faced lies, in the 2 years he has soiled the Oval office.....

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I like the idea of small drones picking people up and dropping them off..... I'm thinking a trip to the grocery store, not a quick ride across the border, but...... It has real commercial potential.

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Walls are already proven not to work in field tests.  But bullshit sells where people are immune to the odor.  Flyover country.  

This is hilarious:

Trump says San Antonio shows border walls works, despite city being 150 miles from border and having no wall

 The Independent Sun, Jan 20 7:56 AM PST 

Donald Trump has cited San Antonio as proof that border walls make the US safer, despite the Texas city not having a border wall and being 150 miles from Mexico.

“Everyone knows that walls work,” claimed the president as he addressed reporters outside the White House. “You look at different places, they put up a wall, no problem.

“You look at San Antonio, you look at so many different places; they go from one of the most unsafe cities in the country to one of the safest cities, immediately, immediately. It works. We have to put them up, and we will put them up. We've got to."

Mr Trump’s comments on Saturday were intended to justify his demand for $5.7bn to fund a US-Mexico border wall.

The president may have intended to refer to El Paso, a Texas border city he used as an example in a similar anecdote last week.

“El Paso… was one of the most dangerous cities in the country,” Mr Trump claimed during a 14 January speech in New Orleans. “A wall was put up. It went from being one of the most dangerous cities in the country to one of the safest cities in the country overnight.”

The president’s depiction of El Paso’s transformation is also inaccurate, however.

The city has never been “one of the most dangerous” in the US and already had one of the lowest crime rates among the country’s largest urban areas before construction of a 57-mile border fence began in 2008.

El Paso’s violent crime rate was also lower in each of the three years before the fence was built than in each of the three years after it was finished, according to the Annenberg Public Policy Centre’s fact-checking website.

Mr Trump’s reference to San Antonio’s non-existent wall came before a live televised address in which he offered expanded protections for some undocumented immigrants as a concession to Democrats in return for the $5.6bn.

House speaker Nancy Pelosi and the Democrat Senate minority leader Chuck Schumer rejected the proposed trade-off, which the president had hoped could bring an end to a month-long federal government shutdown.

Ms Pelosi dismissed the offer as “a compilation of several previously rejected initiatives, each of which is unacceptable and in total, do not represent a good faith effort to restore certainty to people’s lives”.

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1 minute ago, Olsonist said:

Apropos pointless walls, Shitstain and his elk on the Court are  protecting us from transgenders protecting us.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/22/us/politics/supreme-court-transgender-military.html

President Trump would rather not be faced with the reality of transgender folks willing to serve, when he was sidelined with his crippling bone spurs.

Can't let that happen.

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With his never ending fails on building his beautiful wall I suggest Trump try building it this way.

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I would be all in for spending $5.7 billion on building a wall in the US...

 

between church and state. 

 

That would do a helluva lot more to keep us safe than the Trump Maginot Line. 

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1 hour ago, Sol Rosenberg said:

I would be all in for spending $5.7 billion on building a wall in the US...

 

between church and state. 

 

That would do a helluva lot more to keep us safe than the Trump Maginot Line. 

I thought there was something about that in some piece of paper some guys wrote.

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Interesting tidbit heard today. Guess what stops the most drugs coming over the border? The service that is shutdown. Our coasties.

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1 minute ago, Raz'r said:

Interesting tidbit heard today. Guess what stops the most drugs coming over the border? The service that is shutdown. Our coasties.

Our Beautiful President prays that you become quiet, so attention on the land locked tactic is not diluted.  

Frigates!

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2 minutes ago, Amati said:

Our Beautiful President prays that you become quiet, so attention on the land locked tactic is not diluted.  

Frigates!

Land Frigates!

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"We'll wheelhaul those pesky Mexicans matey!"

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Migrant caravan vessels seized by Coast Guard attempting to cross the border near El Llanto.

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Now I know what all those Mexicans are doing hanging around Home Depot

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$288.00 at Home Depot

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$15.00 at Home Depot.

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1 hour ago, bhyde said:

Migrant caravan vessels seized by Coast Guard attempting to cross the border near El Llanto.

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Just waiting for fake rising sea levels.........patient, those illegal aliens........good thing the government shutdown is happening now, before the action really starts...........and as you know, you agree............

 

 

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23 minutes ago, Amati said:

Just waiting for fake rising sea levels.........patient, those illegal aliens........good thing the government shutdown is happening now, before the action really starts...........and as you know, you agree............

Sandworms?

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12 minutes ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Sandworms?

Vladimir Harkonnen?

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59 minutes ago, Amati said:

Vladimir Harkonnen? 

Fat Bastard?

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3 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Interesting tidbit heard today. Guess what stops the most drugs coming over the border? The service that is shutdown. Our coasties.

The correct answer is and has been nothing.

Most drugs are not caught at all. Even those charged with doing it admit this.

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9 hours ago, dogballs Tom said:

The correct answer is and has been nothing.

Most drugs are not caught at all. Even those charged with doing it admit this.

Pedantic Asshole score of 10!

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2 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Pedantic Asshole score of 10!

All winning, all the time.

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11 hours ago, dogballs Tom said:
14 hours ago, Raz'r said:

Interesting tidbit heard today. Guess what stops the most drugs coming over the border? The service that is shutdown. Our coasties.

The correct answer is and has been nothing.

Most drugs are not caught at all. Even those charged with doing it admit this.

If that post read "Guess what stops MOST OF the drugs....." you might have a point.

When comparing the methods/entities that DID stop drugs from being brought in, which method/entity stopped the most?

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13 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

If that post read "Guess what stops MOST OF the drugs....." you might have a point.

When comparing the methods/entities that DID stop drugs from being brought in, which method/entity stopped the most?

Hence his high-score for the WIN!

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No wall, just a big cave!

 

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The State of the Union is not planned now. What I said to the President is when the government is open we will discuss a mutually agreeable date, and I’ll look forward to doing that and welcoming the President to the House of Representatives for the State of the Union when we agree on that.

Speaker Pelosi

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/25/politics/pelosi-state-of-the-union-date/index.html

Brutal.

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16 hours ago, Mismoyled Jiblet. said:

Sandworms?

 

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The Alamo had walls.  Didn't keep the Mexicans out. 

NM2, you are a very special kind of stupid, but you do make me feel good about myself.  

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1 minute ago, Fakenews said:

$5B for mines. Will surely solve that problem.

Stupid idea.  You close the corridors down, they expand, then you eventually have mined the coastline.  Hopefully that was just a tongue-in-cheek comment.  .

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22 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

Stupid idea.  You close the corridors down, they expand, then you eventually have mined the coastline.  Hopefully that was just a tongue-in-cheek comment.  .

Really, did that need a sarcasm font?

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2 minutes ago, Fakenews said:

Really, did that need a sarcasm font?

With you, yes.  But you have improved.  

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3 minutes ago, Cal20sailor said:

With you, yes.  But you have improved.  

I’ve always been pretty liberal in my political view points.

Sniff.....

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1 hour ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

Wall work for some

Not the Mormons. Privacy hedge, sure.

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4 hours ago, Nailing Malarkey Too said:

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Jack is criticising other Christians for hypocrisy? Even better, mocking their leaders for it given the Mormons' history? 

YCMTSU

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4 hours ago, Sean said:

Best headline of the day -

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-folds-ends-shutdown-and-humiliates-himself-in-rose-garden

Trump’s Zombies Applaud as He Lights Himself on Fire

..."But this wasn’t fun. It was funny, watching Trump trying to persuade America that this wasn’t a colossal failure for which he alone was responsible. But it wasn’t fun. Not for the people affected. This shutdown will go down as one of the most shockingly incompetent episodes in the entire history of the American presidency. Of this there is no doubt. 

Warren Harding, who liked drinking and playing poker more than being president, once confided to a friend that “I am not fit for this office and should never have been here.” 

Trump is like Harding, except Harding had one quality Trump lacks utterly: self-awareness."

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Harding was also smarter and more competent than Trump.

Although that could be regarded as damning with faint praise.

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2 hours ago, SloopJonB said:

Harding was also smarter and more competent than Trump.

Although that could be regarded as damning with faint praise.

Harding has the good sense to put an early end to the embarassment by quietly dying while in office.

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It's not a wall, It's an art installation!

When and if Donald Trump’s wall is built, one of its redeeming features will be that some of the world’s great street artists, including Australia’s very own evocatively named Lushsux, will be quick to decorate it with street art masterpieces.

The wall’s majestically wide, blank spaces will prove irresistible. What a gallery the wall will become!

he's the bloke that painted this in Israel

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2 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

Maybe this is what President Trump has in mind -

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Theres something suspicious about those chihuahuas !

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Those look like sheepdog variants.

That might work - have sheepdogs on the wall to round up and herd all those foreign invaders.

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18 minutes ago, SloopJonB said:

Those look like sheepdog variants.

That might work - have sheepdogs on the wall to round up and herd all those foreign invaders.

Um, Border Collies.

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Same thing - herding specialists.

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35 minutes ago, SailBlueH2O said:

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Yep..... and a Republican Congress (both houses) had a President willing to work with them to solve the problem, from 2011 to 2016, and then even more so from 2016 and 2017....... and they did, what, exactly?

Problem..... you're all mad about "the problem" but you expect the people who are profiting from it to fix it.

The people who are all pissed off about gay marriage are in the same boat.

It would be only a slight exaggeration of the same tactic for the Republican Party to outlaw gun ownership in the US, so they can blame Democrats and get all the gun nutz to come roaring to the polls.

-DSK

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14 hours ago, Bus Driver said:

Um, Border Collies.

we can teach them (the hoards of invaders) to play frisbee

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2 hours ago, Blue Crab said:

Thank the gods! I heard it was 12,000,000.

No worries.  Pretty soon, it'll be 12,000,000,000.

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Breaking gnus: The MS13 gangs are now disguised as women and children. I shit you knot.

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So, I guess Trump will declare an emergency and fund the wall, if Chuck and Nancy won't do it?

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25 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

No worries.  Pretty soon, it'll be 12,000,000,000.

Is there a point at which a barrier would no longer be a racist and immoral monument to white supremacy and simply become a border control device?

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9 minutes ago, Dog said:

Is there a point at which a barrier would no longer be a racist and immoral monument to white supremacy and simply become a border control device?

When people stop posting bullshit like this? Not holding my breath.

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23 minutes ago, Dog said:

Is there a point at which a barrier would no longer be a racist and immoral monument to white supremacy and simply become a border control device?

If I ever said a wall is "racist" or an "immoral monument to white supremacy", I may have an answer.

As I have never said either, I will suggest you ask people who have actually said such things.

Now, I can offer that the reasons for the wall are bullshit.  Time and time again, it is shown that undocumented folks in the US are by far due to Visa overstays, mostly from Canada, and drugs are coming though entry points.  The wall will do fuckall to address those concerns.

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1 hour ago, d'ranger said:

When people stop posting bullshit like this? Not holding my breath.

D, you never answered my earlier question about your position on barriers. Is it that you think barriers are never effective, or is it just that the proposed new sections of barrier will for some reason not be effective?

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46 minutes ago, Bus Driver said:

If I ever said a wall is "racist" or an "immoral monument to white supremacy", I may have an answer.

As I have never said either, I will suggest you ask people who have actually said such things.

Now, I can offer that the reasons for the wall are bullshit.  Time and time again, it is shown that undocumented folks in the US are by far due to Visa overstays, mostly from Canada, and drugs are coming though entry points.  The wall will do fuckall to address those concerns.

You do not think a walls are immoral, racist or monuments to white supremacy, duly noted.

Also I will grant you that a wall will do nothing to mitigate visa overstays (I don't think it has been argued that it would). That doesn't mean barriers are not a deterrent to illegal entry, of course they are.

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1 hour ago, Dog said:

Is there a point at which a barrier would no longer be a racist and immoral monument to white supremacy and simply become a border control device?

nah, the wall like your Republican brand is permanently soiled with the stench of the racism you revel in.

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2 minutes ago, Dog said:

D, you never answered my earlier question about your position on barriers. Is it that you think barriers are never effective, or is it just that the proposed new sections of barrier will for some reason not be effective?

Stop creating strawman issues. I have made it clear that Trump's ever changing effort to "win" at a campaign promise is bullshit.  Barriers can be good - the keep the monkeys in and the assholes out at the zoo for instance. For crowd control, again yep. I haven't opposed the current barriers that are built and would support additional when they are shown to be needed. Trump has done none of that, just keeps creating false emergencies and stoking unwarranted fear is something I will never support.

Ever been to the Texas border? I think not. Want to see a fence wall barrier going through the Big Bend state and national parks?  It is ludicrous to support the ever changing goal posts of Trump's delusions to keep his base fed.

 

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13 minutes ago, d'ranger said:

Stop creating strawman issues. I have made it clear that Trump's ever changing effort to "win" at a campaign promise is bullshit.  Barriers can be good - the keep the monkeys in and the assholes out at the zoo for instance. For crowd control, again yep. I haven't opposed the current barriers that are built and would support additional when they are shown to be needed. Trump has done none of that, just keeps creating false emergencies and stoking unwarranted fear is something I will never support.

Ever been to the Texas border? I think not. Want to see a fence wall barrier going through the Big Bend state and national parks?  It is ludicrous to support the ever changing goal posts of Trump's delusions to keep his base fed.

 

Well, we agree. There are locations where a barrier makes sense and areas where they are not needed. I would defer to border patrol professionals familiar with the problem on any new sections of barrier proposed and hope that they would be involved in the planning.

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3 minutes ago, Dog said:

Well, we agree. There are locations where a barrier makes sense and areas where they are not needed. I would defer to border patrol professionals familiar with the problem on any new sections of barrier proposed and hope that they would be involved in the planning.

So - you don't actually want the Trump wall? You've just been bullshitting this whole time?! 

Wow, that's a real plot twist Dog.

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2 minutes ago, Dog said:

Well, we agree. There are locations where a barrier makes sense and areas where they are not needed. I would defer to border patrol professionals familiar with the problem on any new sections of barrier proposed and hope that they would be involved in the planning.

Then stop supporting Trump's idiotic Quixote Quest.  The previous border work has been done by actual planning. I remind you that not a single congressman whose district is on the southern border supports Trump on this and that includes a Republican.

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Posted elsewhere, but probably belongs here.  When you politicize a problem best left to professionals, you get this:

So, two years after signing an executive order directing the hiring of thousands of additional border patrol agents, the CBP is actually losing agents, can't find many new agents, doesn't have a plan to use the proposed huge group of new agents who are supposed to be hired, and has an average hiring time of 400 days per hire.  Maybe, just maybe, there aren't that many people who want to put toddlers in cages.

CBP also signed a $270,000,000 contract with Accenture to hire find, vet and hire new agents , under which they have added a grand total of 33 new agents.  With a minimum finder's fee of $40,000 per head (for a $52,000/year job).  Accenture's contract has been slashed for poor performance to a mere $80,000,000.  So good on CBP for that at least.

All the while net immigration has fallen to a decade low (1/4 of what it was under Bush Jr./early Obama) and the system - designed to handle lots of fence jumping male agricultural workers - has no plan, facility or ability to respond to the current flow of families with children applying for legal asylum.  

But we shouldn't let a good campaign applause line be lost to the inconvenient truth of reality, or of professionals doing their job, with or without pay.

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1 hour ago, d'ranger said:
1 hour ago, Dog said:

Is there a point at which a barrier would no longer be a racist and immoral monument to white supremacy and simply become a border control device?

When people stop posting bullshit like this? Not holding my breath.

Question retracted - answered in a following post. 

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1 hour ago, Left Shift said:

Posted elsewhere...

Ayup.

 

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