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Help me find my next boat?

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Got the go ahead from the wife to look for my next boat and I'm open to some suggestions. I raced a bunch when I was younger, but now all I want to do is day sail, spend over night on the hook and maybe head down the ICW to the Keys if I'm feeling adventurous. To give you an idea of what my tastes are my previous boats included a Soverel 33, Express 37, and Beneteau F405. This time around I'm looking for something between 30 and 34 feet LOA, less than 6 foot draft, good performance, and a decent interior. Oh, and max budget is $20K. I'm located on the ICW in North Carolina so am hoping to find something between Maryland and Georgia so I can deliver it home on its own bottom.

Right now my short list includes a bunch of J/30's, an S2 9.1, and some 80's vintage C&C. What I'd love to get is a Pogo 30 (wouldn't we all?), but that ain't happening on this budget. I'd love to find an Olson 911s or Capo 30, but what few are out there are way above my budget. Any suggestions or leads you guys might have?

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what about a J80? decent performance, easy to handle, 4.9' draft, and there's one in the classified for $19k. of course it's in Wisconsin, but maybe there are others closer to you.

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I think a J/80 would be fun, but not enough interior for my wife and after shipping would be well above my budget. I'm considering a J/28, which is a much slower boat, but my wife isn't happy with its interior either.

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Saw that one. Six foot draft isn't an issue, but the interior on that one has been stripped. Might be a good project boat for the right price...

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J-30 got a pretty nice interior for a 30' boat, and sail well too. There'd be a whole lot of the $20k leftover after purchase, also.

Not as fast as previous boats, but a couple should be able to handle boat fine, or even singlehanded.

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+1 on the J/30. I used to own Rhapsody #348 before my J/109. You'll see a bunch of info that J/30 owners have posted to restore their boats. The S2 9.1 is also a good choice and in our area (Narragansett Bay) rates the same as a J/30. Both have reasonable cruising accommodations. Just a warning that any of those boats from that era will have wet core issues if they have not already been fixed. They are overbuilt so will not fall apart immediately if not fixed. If you live in an area that freezes, the wet core when frozen will expand and destroy the glass around it, so you do want to get it fixed.

 

If you sail short handed for cruising, you'll want to use the smaller #3 jib as the 163% #1 jib is a pain to tack without having crew to walk the clew around the shrouds & mast, plus a lot more sheet to trim. I was able to single hand my J/30 with an autopilot and fly the symmetrical spinnaker. The nice thing about the J/30 is if you ever want to do OD racing there is still an active class association that has NAs every year, and there are pockets of J/30 fleets in various places. If you are near Annapolis, there are J/30s that race regularly there. Check out the J/30 website and the J/30 forum where there are usually a few for sale.

 

ps - your handle is the name of a long time J/30 that was in the Naptown area - Big Kahuna.....

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There are a bunch of J/30's not far from where I am for sale. Most look like they've been "ridden hard and put away wet". Almost all have had some core repairs. But it's a pretty boat and definitely at the top of my list.

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Got the go ahead from the wife to look for my next boat and I'm open to some suggestions. I raced a bunch when I was younger, but now all I want to do is day sail, spend over night on the hook and maybe head down the ICW to the Keys if I'm feeling adventurous. To give you an idea of what my tastes are my previous boats included a Soverel 33, Express 37, and Beneteau F405. This time around I'm looking for something between 30 and 34 feet LOA, less than 6 foot draft, good performance, and a decent interior. Oh, and max budget is $20K. I'm located on the ICW in North Carolina so am hoping to find something between Maryland and Georgia so I can deliver it home on its own bottom.

 

Right now my short list includes a bunch of J/30's, an S2 9.1, and some 80's vintage C&C. What I'd love to get is a Pogo 30 (wouldn't we all?), but that ain't happening on this budget. I'd love to find an Olson 911s or Capo 30, but what few are out there are way above my budget. Any suggestions or leads you guys might have?

 

If your considering older boats - Ranger 33, Pearson 10M, or Tartan 34 ....if you can find one thats been maintained, and upgraded to a diesil.

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Thanks JPD, I'm trying to stick with 80's or later vintage boats. Not a big fan of the pinched sterns and tumble home topsides of the 70's vintage boats.

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The early 80's production MORC boats are "big" 30 footers with good performance. You already mentioned a couple of them, another was the Santana 30/30...Esp the PC version which is the cruisiest.

 

There's a nice looking Bene First 30E up in Deale MD that's in your price range...but 30 sec a mile slower than MORC/J30 types, and berth lengths on short side

 

Tartan 33 is a nice fit as well, esp as it's scheel keel gives some cushion on draft...but also slower than MORC types and harder to find in your price range

 

Gorman Express 30 or Frers 30 fit the bill. Built in smaller numbers, so harder to find/may be beyond budget

 

Tartan 3000 another possibility...

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Thanks Crash, all those boats are on my list. Never heard of or seen a Gorman Express 30 (only familiar with the Expresses Carl Schumacher designed) but will keep an eye out for it also. Lots of boats on the market, sadly most are in pretty bad shape.

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I just moved up to a Schock 35, meets all your requirements. The more I'm around the boat the more I like it. Fast, comfortable, 6' headroom. A little deeper than 6' draft.

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@movable ballast - Yeah, draft greater than 6 feet is a big problem here I'm afraid. Unless it has a lifting keel or such it really limits where and when I can take the boat out. It's an "east coast thing". ;)

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@crash - haven't seen either of those, at least not on this side of the continent. Not a fan of wing keels (that's just so 80's!) but I wouldn't mind finding a decent performing boat with a lifting keel.

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http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1986/Ericson-Olson-911-S-3043833/San-Francisco/CA/United-States?utm_campaign=em_pbs_yw#.WHkOVVMrLcs

 

Wrong coast though, and the add has some issues. It's an Ericson, but they didn't build them in 1986 so it's an 1988 or later, and only the pacific boats versions have cored hulls. Still, other than the price and location...

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@Slick470 - My wife and I both love boats designed by Carl Schumacher. I actually met Carl a long time ago at a yacht design conference and got to spend a lot of time with him. He also helped us get a new rudder for our Express 37. So for the right price and if I can keep shipping costs down, I could go for a 911s. :) So the Ericsons are solid glass? That might actually be a benefit (no water logged core).

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S2 9.1, fairly fast, lots of volume and I think 5.5' or so on draft. We have several of them here in Tampa Bay that were active during the MORC days, mostly sail our club races now.

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Where in NC ? I had 36.7 with a 6' draft and it never held us back. New Bern was my base.

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Yup, the Ericson built 911s are solid glass hulls. Weigh a bit more because of it too. The PB versions rate 132 and the Ericsons rate 138 in most places to help with the difference.

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Actually looking a bit harder at that 911 ad, the boat for sale might be a 1986 Pacific Boats built boat, but they show an Ericson built boat in the slip with a dodger and Risky on the stern and an Ericson interior shot. Screwy ad.

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Where in NC ? I had 36.7 with a 6' draft and it never held us back. New Bern was my base.

 

Beaufort.

Actually looking a bit harder at that 911 ad, the boat for sale might be a 1986 Pacific Boats built boat, but they show an Ericson built boat in the slip with a dodger and Risky on the stern and an Ericson interior shot. Screwy ad.

 

I wrote and asked the broker for clarification.

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a Brent Swain is all you need, much cheaper than anything you thought, much tougher, much better thought out, outperforming all others, sits on reefs like you one a 5$ hookah, maintenance cost a mere trifle ... and even the worldwide authority named Bob P. has been known to give B.S. a nod now and then.....can't acknowlegedge which way this nod want but then Bob P's ways are unfathomable

 

 

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I have a J-34 that would be perfect for you!!!

Let's seal the deal!!

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Where in NC ? I had 36.7 with a 6' draft and it never held us back. New Bern was my base.

 

Beaufort.

Actually looking a bit harder at that 911 ad, the boat for sale might be a 1986 Pacific Boats built boat, but they show an Ericson built boat in the slip with a dodger and Risky on the stern and an Ericson interior shot. Screwy ad.

 

I wrote and asked the broker for clarification.

 

 

 

Spent a lot of time going up and down the ICW from Morehead City/Beaufort to the Neuse River. I would go off shore if I was heading South to avoid the ICW to Wrightsville. Good luck on your search.

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@echo - I spent a lot of time delivering boats up and down the West coast and to Hawaii as well as worked on ships throughout the Pacific. I've never done the ICW. Something about being able to motor along at a leisurely pace, anchoring every night for a couple beers and steak just sounds so appealing to me. We don't have that on the West Coast (except maybe the inside passage of BC).

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Got the go ahead from the wife to look for my next boat and I'm open to some suggestions. I raced a bunch when I was younger, but now all I want to do is day sail, spend over night on the hook and maybe head down the ICW to the Keys if I'm feeling adventurous. To give you an idea of what my tastes are my previous boats included a Soverel 33, Express 37, and Beneteau F405. This time around I'm looking for something between 30 and 34 feet LOA, less than 6 foot draft, good performance, and a decent interior. Oh, and max budget is $20K. I'm located on the ICW in North Carolina so am hoping to find something between Maryland and Georgia so I can deliver it home on its own bottom.

 

Right now my short list includes a bunch of J/30's, an S2 9.1, and some 80's vintage C&C. What I'd love to get is a Pogo 30 (wouldn't we all?), but that ain't happening on this budget. I'd love to find an Olson 911s or Capo 30, but what few are out there are way above my budget. Any suggestions or leads you guys might have?

 

What does a used J105 or J92 go for? If all you want to do is day sail or sail short-handed, my suggestion if if fits in the budget is to look at a used Aso design boat. If the interior is workable, the J80 as someone suggested. All the boats mentioned so far are very old and dated. If you can squeeze the budget, I would try to go for a bit more updated design that is easier to shorthand. To me, there is nothing more painful than going downwind with jib and main only. Nails on a chalkboard....

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Got the go ahead from the wife to look for my next boat and I'm open to some suggestions. I raced a bunch when I was younger, but now all I want to do is day sail, spend over night on the hook and maybe head down the ICW to the Keys if I'm feeling adventurous. To give you an idea of what my tastes are my previous boats included a Soverel 33, Express 37, and Beneteau F405. This time around I'm looking for something between 30 and 34 feet LOA, less than 6 foot draft, good performance, and a decent interior. Oh, and max budget is $20K. I'm located on the ICW in North Carolina so am hoping to find something between Maryland and Georgia so I can deliver it home on its own bottom.

 

Right now my short list includes a bunch of J/30's, an S2 9.1, and some 80's vintage C&C. What I'd love to get is a Pogo 30 (wouldn't we all?), but that ain't happening on this budget. I'd love to find an Olson 911s or Capo 30, but what few are out there are way above my budget. Any suggestions or leads you guys might have?

 

What does a used J105 or J92 go for? If all you want to do is day sail or sail short-handed, my suggestion if if fits in the budget is to look at a used Aso design boat. If the interior is workable, the J80 as someone suggested. All the boats mentioned so far are very old and dated. If you can squeeze the budget, I would try to go for a bit more updated design that is easier to shorthand. To me, there is nothing more painful than going downwind with jib and main only. Nails on a chalkboard....

 

 

About twice what my budget is. :(

 

I wouldn't be so quick to knock sailing double handed with just main and jib on an 80's vintage boat. We averaged 14+ knots sailing downwind on my Soverel 33 with just main, jib and 2 guys off Point Conception on the delivery down from Monterey. We also had a good day's run of 9-10 knots with our Express 37 when my wife and I took it to Hawaii. So not all 80's vintage boats are like "nails on a chalkboard" (although that might be a good name for our next boat!). ;)

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I have a 7.9.

Would love to have a 9.1, but in this area, when the water is low, the draft would be a deal breaker.

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Got the go ahead from the wife to look for my next boat and I'm open to some suggestions. I raced a bunch when I was younger, but now all I want to do is day sail, spend over night on the hook and maybe head down the ICW to the Keys if I'm feeling adventurous. To give you an idea of what my tastes are my previous boats included a Soverel 33, Express 37, and Beneteau F405. This time around I'm looking for something between 30 and 34 feet LOA, less than 6 foot draft, good performance, and a decent interior. Oh, and max budget is $20K. I'm located on the ICW in North Carolina so am hoping to find something between Maryland and Georgia so I can deliver it home on its own bottom.

 

Right now my short list includes a bunch of J/30's, an S2 9.1, and some 80's vintage C&C. What I'd love to get is a Pogo 30 (wouldn't we all?), but that ain't happening on this budget. I'd love to find an Olson 911s or Capo 30, but what few are out there are way above my budget. Any suggestions or leads you guys might have?

 

What does a used J105 or J92 go for? If all you want to do is day sail or sail short-handed, my suggestion if if fits in the budget is to look at a used Aso design boat. If the interior is workable, the J80 as someone suggested. All the boats mentioned so far are very old and dated. If you can squeeze the budget, I would try to go for a bit more updated design that is easier to shorthand. To me, there is nothing more painful than going downwind with jib and main only. Nails on a chalkboard....

 

Having owned 2 of the boats on his list (Santana 30/30 and S2 9.1) and having also owned a J/109, I agree that the ideal answer would be an Aso design boat. In the case of the OP, I'd say a J/97 (but would need a shoal keel)....but as the OP has pointed out, they are all beyond his budget.

 

While he might find a J/80 for close to his budget, he likely can't find a J/105 - and if he does, its probably a little scary. Plus if his intended use includes cruising the ICW and hanging on the hook at night with his wife, a boat with standing headroom, and a private head will serve those needs much better. Happy wife and all.

 

As I owned the S2 9.1 after the J/109, and thought the J/97 would be a perfect boat except for cost...(money was paying college tuition for multiple kids at the time), I also always felt that the 9.1 was pretty close from a capabilities standpoint when compared to the 97, and that retro-fitting a J/97 style sprit and adding an Aso would make it a great (cheap) J/97 replacement. In fact from looking at rig dimensions, a J/105 chute should fit almost perfectly...assuming you added the right length sprit... I always wondered how hard it would be to find a salvage 105 to get the sprit from...and then do a proper thru the hull install, just like J/Boats. I know, measure about 100 times before cutting that size hole in you hull...Plus I never actually did it :rolleyes:

 

I know the 9.1 still comes with an overlapping sailplan, but in NC, the summers are known for light wind, and so having a light air overlapping genoa would be an advantage over a non-overlapping sailplan...

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A 9.1 doesn't plane, so fitting one with a sprit and assy is going to be slower downwind except in very light air.

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Your right, of course. But then neither does a J/97, J/109, J112E, J/120, J/133, C&C 99, C&C 115, etc, etc. Still fun to sail, still fun to race even with other displacement boats in my experience, and besides, OP says nothing about racing. He says mostly shorthanded daysailing, hanging the hook, cruising the ICW...and an aso is easy to handle short handed.

 

Plus if you're racing in a PHRF fleet, in medium breeze, where a sport boat can't get on a plane, it struggles to sail to its rating too...I race on a FT 7.5 now, and owned/raced a J/109 for 4 years, so have some experience racing planning and non-planning boats with aso...

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No racing planned. I stopped racing more than 10 years ago.

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@echo - I spent a lot of time delivering boats up and down the West coast and to Hawaii as well as worked on ships throughout the Pacific. I've never done the ICW. Something about being able to motor along at a leisurely pace, anchoring every night for a couple beers and steak just sounds so appealing to me. We don't have that on the West Coast (except maybe the inside passage of BC).

Oh it's awesome. I've been from Mile 1 at Norfolk to Daytona and all points in between. The bridges and shoals South of Swansboro are the only real hassles, (IMHO) South of Myrtle Beach to Georgetown is the best part.

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@echo - Sounds really nice. Can't wait to get started. :)

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Lots of shallow spots through GA. Most of the ICW is pretty scenic. South of Stuart it's hell until you're in Biscayne Bay leaving Miami behind.

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Although I'd prefer to find a boat that draws less than 6 feet, would a boat that draws 6.5 feet be an issue for traveling down the ICW?

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Most of it would be fine, just might bump once in a while. GA is a problem even at 4'...had to go outside in a powerboat drawing 3.5 cause we weren't going to catch the tides right. 6.5 would limit you a bit in Bahamas too. Really your 6' max is a good call, 5' even better. But if the best deal you can get draws 6.5 don't worry too much. Bigger deal is the 65' fixed bridges...there's no way around that.

Have you considered a keel/cb?

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Hunter 31 (or 34) from 1984 to 1987, especially if you can find one in good condition. Has an enormous amount of space and is pretty competitive (PHRF 168 for the 31' and 142 for the 34'). It has its quirks but all are easily fixable and it is a fantastic boat for the money.

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@RKoch - Thanks. I heard that they dredged the shallow spots in GA and it was no longer was a problem?

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@RKoch - Thanks. I heard that they dredged the shallow spots in GA and it was no longer was a problem?

Hmmm, IDK. US ACoE has been very negligent maintaining ICW depths, but I haven't done the trip in 4 years. I'd be very surprised if GA was anything near project depths. NtM may have current depth.

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He's not planning on racing...day sails, nights on the hook, cruise down the ICW. He wants some performance (good for him), and the Evelyn a great PHRF boat. But seems too racerish to fit the intended use to me...

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Any boat can easily have a sprit added and an assy chute flown. Cheapest and easiest performance and sailability enhancement.

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You can learn to sail any boat single handed: its not the boat, its the sailor.

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